"Water bottles are not an analogue for any body part of any human, animal, vegetable, or mineral." -And Matt's the very model of a modern major general!
Plastic is (usually) made from petroleum, which is basically compressed, decayed plant matter. So, one can argue that you are, in fact, cutting vegetables.
its been 4 months since i paid in full on my Albion and they say its gonna be another 8 months or more yet..... So im going to try from this site Matt suggests. Great review man, Cheers from America.
Nice! I just got a Sempach from them last month. Made the order last Feb so I know how it is. The Earl was one I was looking at before deciding on the Sempach.
@@RyanSmith-ye4vj And by the time you've learned enough to forge a sword and bought all of the equipment needed you could have bought the sword already. Probably more importantly, not everybody has the room at where they live to set up their own smithy. But it would be cool to spend time with a smith making your own sword.
I got a M5b Karl from them on Monday. Incredibly well made, excellent weight distribution and all the fittings are nice and tight. Would definitely recommend Landsknecht Emporium for messers.
I like this Kriegsmesser a lot. When watching all Cold Steel's "Absolute Proof" videos years ago, I had the same thoughts about this sword type, "it's like a German katana!" It was the first time I'd seen this sword type. I have German ancestry, so I've seriously considered just making German arms and armor my focus; but I'm sadly just not into the designs as much as other types, especially with a very limited budget. They do "feel like home" tho lolz. I think the "nail" is a great idea, and can't believe it's so particular to that culture. I like my katanas to be almost imperceptibly curved, and never cared much for the other Japanese sword designs (except wakizashi shortsword and tanto knife). I never knew quite why the more curved and bigger Japanese swords seemed not so good to me, until you said that being curved helps the blade not "oscillate in a straight line," like I've noticed lots of longswords do. I think the more gentle than average nuki (curvature) on the katana blade helps them retain their thrusting power by avoiding the oscillating pitfall of being perfectly straight, but being close enough to straight that thrusting is still fairly easy and effective, while also still getting all the benefits of being curved for cutting. So, I can friggin' stab with the thing fairly easily, and it cuts like it's famous for! The katana was made for every-day carry in times of peace during civilian life after the civil wars etc were over and Japan was in for centuries of stability, that's why it was designed to be carried blade upwards and the saya (scabbard) simply thrust through the belt (as part of the daisho, with wakizashi). The longer Japanese swords (nodachi, etc) were not just longer blades, but more curved; and designed to be worn blade down in scabbards that attach to belts by suspension systems. I think katanas were made straighter because they understood how useful it is to just poke someone in unarmored fighting, and that the ability to keep people at swordpoint aids in keeping them at bay. My thoughts exactly. Also, being straight makes quick-draw much faster and easier when the katana is carried blade up and simply thrust through the belt. The point may not be optimized for armor, but against an unarmored person that it's shoved through it will do more damage than those more slender anti-armor points, and the blade (especially held 2 handed) can sometimes just cut it's way out of targets after thrusts or cuts. I also cut my teeth with a machete, a forgiving chopper. A katana is a lot like that. Longswords aren't so much. This Kriegsmesser looked very forgiving, I was very impressed by it's cutting power.
Love the D&B. Matt taking us on a trip back to his youth in some disused warehouse with a couple hundred sweaty teenagers and an angry man fiddling furiously with his deck.
Lovely review. I have the M3C in blunt and sharp because Mr. Elsmslie advised me to buy from Landsknecht and I am supremely happy. (Thank you, James) Nimble and quick is accurate for all their models, I suppose. Reviews that talk about function, form and construction are what all reviews need. Well done, Matt!
The next Kriegsmesser is anything but nimble, because we really wanted to make something that's extremely on the choppy end of the spectrum. Right now not even we're sure if we didn't overdo it... we'll see when Matt gets around to it. Also, we're very glad you like your Gottfrieds!
the music and framing make it so i can't help but imagine matt as the protagonist in an indie action platforming side-scroller, i guess in some weird cyberpunk setting or something.
Water bottles do give a pretty good idea of how your edge alignment is going. Even if it's mostly good and you don't baseball bat it off the stand it can still show scalloping or shallow tip cuts.
Hey Matt, I have one of their earlier Feder prototypes and the leather handle was joined in the same way, and after three years of use the seam has sort of "smoothed" down and feels quite neat. It never really peeled away so I wouldn't expect that to be a concern with your Messer.
You've said you're going for quicker fencing strikes than the full body swings, have you considered setting up multiple posts and bottles to show off consecutive strikes, or is that not practical?
Well, this version may not be for sale...but the Falke Kriegmesser M5A_++_ is! apparently currently out of stock though. Still, worth keeping tabs on I think, eh?
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at a recent HEMA event i got into a discussion about messers and the idea of them being considered knives or not for legislation of carrying. and someone proposed the hypothesis that it was not about legislation of carry/use, but of make. since the guilds relatively tightly controlled who could make what, the messers might have been considered knives for the purpose of who made them. but im not sure about this as the knifemakers guild were tightly intertwined with the fencingschools as per the recently translated rules of duelling in prague. what are your thoughts?
Love the way Matt always looks so proud after massacring a load of plastic bottles, as if he's just taken out an army of marauding orcs single-handed. Top man!
@@TimmyTurner421 Probably better than most of the make-shift stuff you often see in regards to zombie apocalypses. I'm not 100% sure if it could easy behead a Zombie with a single swing (for that purpose a proper Zweihänder or simply an executioner sword would be the best choice) but it can certainly chop apart a Zombie in a hurry. Much better than an axe or chain saw, anyway.
That is awesome. Looks like a very fun sword. I reckon i could swing that thing at targets till my arms stopped working. lol. Your form on most cuts looked really clean.
It seems like when he is doing cuts that are downwards or horizontal he is sort of holding his core back in a sort of c body shape and kind of throwing his arms out at the end after his core has stopped rotating. Is that the proper way of doing it, or did he just need to warm up a bit or something? Mostly noticed it in the first few cuts.
Did you expect otherwise? Matt is into HEMA since at least 3 and a half decades and is an instructor since the early 00's. Skall is just some nerd that started playing with swords a decade ago and just now got into HEMA seriously
Hey Matt! Would love one of these or something similar, tried looking into a messer not long ago, however I thought there was a ban in the UK on the import of curved blades of this size. Am I mistaken?
I see a lot of talk about these things on youtube, but don't know much about their historical context. When were they around? What sort of soldiers would be found using them? How popular were they, and where? Any links to period art featuring them?
Large Messer appear in art in the second half of the 15th century, and proper Kriegsmessers pop up at roughly the turning point of the 15th-16th centuries. Everyone could've used them, we see several very luxurious originals with gilt crosses, embossed leather on the grip, etc, and on depictions we see them with plain soldiers as well. The specific illustration we used as the primary source for this specific Kriegsmesser shows an arquebusier with not much bling on him. Popularity-wise, we don't know for certain. Most of the originals that I know of are high-status pieces, with relatively few plain ones, and on illustrations we see enough to confirm that it was a well-known thing. How popular... I don't know. For period art, yeah, that's a constant hunt as these images are mostly not tagged too well. We intend to start a research album on our FB page in the foreseeable future, and that'll contain what we can find.
It would have been better if you give the specification that you get on that blade, like matthew jensen's reviews. I believe if you do that combined with your style of narrative you will be the best reviewer
European mekugi pegs, fascinating I have never seen or heard of that construction method. I have to make a set of mekugi pegs for the Hira Zukuri I am forging right now, debating what wood to use. Bamboo is traditional.
We also overlooked it for years. Then I stumbled upon a comment by Peter Johnsson on myarmoury saying that some are made with wooden pegs, rushed to our collection of images and spotted 2 right there. They were in front of our eyes for years.
@@adambodorics2903 I think I'm going to have to look into this a bit more, there really isn't much public information about it, I wonder how many swords out there have this method of construction, and we haven't opened up the hilts to inspect them. There doesn't seem to be much data online about it, I might cover a video on the topic after I study this some more.
it`s ok. what i dont like about it: it`s not a knightly weapon. the messer was a weapon for peasant rebels, brigands, swiss mercenaries, landsknechts ... a knight or any man of standing would not touch such a thing.
@@MrSven3000 Except there are several high-end pieces, and Maximilian I had a few bodyguards equipped with these. We even have an altar sculpture with an earlier bastard-sized Messer, and if it's good enough for a saint... commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kefermarkter_Fl%C3%BCgelaltar#/media/File:Georg_Kefermarkt.JPG
They do pop up far from Germany, like the "saber" of Henry VIII is pretty much a Messer. We can even find analogues to his full tang/velvet covered grip slabs construction, there's a Kriegsmesser in Vienna that has the grip slabs wrapped in leather with the tang visible and decorated in between. Smaller Messers, both curved and straight are relatively common in Eastern Europe as well, and there's an entire subgroup specific to that region. Ones and twos pop up in Northern Europe, like Finland IIRC. In HRE territory, they are somewhat common, but illustrations still show them to be more common than what the finds seem to imply. Then again, we have some city regulations where only the high-ups are allowed to wear Messers, so at least in those locations it must've been rather popular if their use had to be restricted. And then there are the dagger-sized sidearms with knife-like construction, Bauernwehr and Rugger, and their more hunt-oriented descendants/relatives like the Waidpraxe and the hunting trousse (which is basically a Bauernwehr surrounded by bypieces). The latter style survived well into the 18th century, here's an example: i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/6b/4e/9f6b4ea689e230742165e1e0d9cc6203.png And for comparison, here's a 16th century one as well: imgur.com/a/1qGia6v
Hi, Ádám here. Yes, it's the curve, as it's only 2 of us who can do that reliably. It would be very easy to do with CNC obviously, but with handgrinding every blade, it comes down to individual skillset and efficiency and these just take that much more time to make. For comparison, with the simple sharp longswords we are working on right now we are estimating a sub-600 EUR price tag and it's entirely possible that we'll be able to pull that down closer to 500 EUR.
@@adambodorics2903 Thanks for the response Adam, looking forward to seeing the Long Swords. You guys seem to have really competitive pricing especially when compared to Albion, especially for the other Kriegsmesser. Quite the temptation.
@@adambodorics2903 you good sir, you just made my day off so much better! I have been eyeing for a messer for a long, and I actually am showing your work to close fellows of mine. Thank you good sir!
I have to say, that sword fits you perfectly! Just something about it, it's like you were meant to have it or something. If you were a character in a medieval story, I think you'd have that particular sword
Well you confirmed my suspicion im a 5 kyu in Toyama Ryu Iaido and iv been drawn to the kreigsmesser because it is the closest western analogue and hopefully it will alow me to transfer more of my skills when i get onto hema looks like i need one lol😏
Hmm, being a fan of sabres, maybe I should add a kriegsmesser over a longsword. Then again, I like rapier too, so maybe one day I'll add both and cover the spread with one & two-handed curved & straight blades, lol
The handle looks slick. I could easily imagine that if handle gets wet that would be very easily to lose grip of the sword. I personally think Albion's handle is better designed. Even if you lose grip of the sword, you still have that hook at the bottom as a catch and you can use the holes in the tube rivets to run a string for a lanyard.
I'm just curious: Is there any reason that this sword costs about 3.5 times as much as their other models? It seems absolutely worth it, I'm just curious about the large gap in pricing.
It's actually very straightforward, they take that much more time compared to the shorter and straight models. They shouldn't, based on the size difference, but with everything being handground* they do. I find curved blades to be exponentially more difficult than straight ones, and grinding curved fullers is a sweat-drenched nightmare. * it's further complicated by that we are only 4 guys over here. All of us can grind a straight blade to near-completion alone, but only two of us can grind curved pieces well, so we can't organize production that good.
@@sylvanstrength7520 No offense taken at all, one of the things we do is being as transparent as realistically possible. And yeah, it is a rather noticeable price gap, so it was a completely valid question.
@@filthypappenheimer5355 Depends on the exact design, but yeah, there are some originals and illustrations that we could base off a simple straight Kriegsmesser and end up under 500 EUR.
The more kriegsmesser videos on net the better! Finally an alternative for Albion and Lutel models. Beautiful and only 1200 grams of weight, if their site is accurate here
That music sounds like it should be the soundtrack for an 80ies movie called "Landsknecht Copper" about a police officer who hunts down bad guys with his messer.
now I'm really torn between this and the Lutel 'Hand-and-a-half Sabre.' The Lutel one costs like half of what this costs (~400€ vs 900€) and comes with a basic hanger or sheath, but I doubt it has the same quality (it can't tbh, at those prices.). There's only one Review for the Lutel one as well, by Philip Martin on SBG... What do?
shame really - though almost to be expected at that price-difference I guess. Visually I find the Lutel far more appealing tbh. The wound crossguard and wooden grip with metal buttplate look so nice. May have to ask Landsknecht what their option and prices for a custom are... Thank you! :)
@@Sareth94 Pavel Moc does a nice 'swiss sabre' that's kind of between the two in price. Expensive it might seem, but I do think LE are still undercharging for what they do, though.
that's a good shout! I looked up Pavel Moc - his swiss sabre hits pretty much the aesthetics I'm looking for. His swiss sabre also seems to have some distal taper (4.9 to 3 mm according to another online store that sells them), and he does deep customization if wished apparently. I think I'm gonna contact him and see what he says about it! Thansk a lot!
It does look like a nice sword, though I'm not sure I want one. I love kriegsmessers in principle, though personally I'm put off by some of the aesthetics. Mainly I dislike those long, plain quillions since I think they look disproportionate and, frankly, a bit dull. I'm also not a fan of the sudden increase in curvature towards the tip - I prefer saber type swords that curve evenly. The Albion Knecht is still my favorite design-wise since I love the blade profile, but I still just kinda want to replace the guard with something nicer and more elegant. Or, at least, shorten the quillions somewhat.
"Water bottles are not an analogue for any body part of any human, animal, vegetable, or mineral."
-And Matt's the very model of a modern major general!
Plastic is (usually) made from petroleum, which is basically compressed, decayed plant matter.
So, one can argue that you are, in fact, cutting vegetables.
The techno-viking is back!
This time with a messer
totaly digging it!
@Jean Paul Gartier No, you are mistaken, it's his arch-nemesis - The Drum and Bass Anglo-Saxon!
Jean Paul Gartier do you mean techno-landschknect?
its been 4 months since i paid in full on my Albion and they say its gonna be another 8 months or more yet..... So im going to try from this site Matt suggests. Great review man, Cheers from America.
What'd you get?
Damien Jones An Earl, and A Liechtenauer. They are just backlogged its ok.
Nice! I just got a Sempach from them last month. Made the order last Feb so I know how it is. The Earl was one I was looking at before deciding on the Sempach.
O man i want one I just wish I had the money. Well time to save up
In the same boat as you.
Learn to Smith and make one that's what I'm doing. I'm about halfway finished a Messer similar in design to this one
@@RyanSmith-ye4vj And by the time you've learned enough to forge a sword and bought all of the equipment needed you could have bought the sword already. Probably more importantly, not everybody has the room at where they live to set up their own smithy. But it would be cool to spend time with a smith making your own sword.
Ditto.
I'm torn between this and the Albion Squire Line arming sword
Matt your enthusiasm is infectious, looking forward to the other two videos on these
As a katana user, I think this messer is really nice. Do NOT MESS with the messer!
Three backyard cutting videos back to back! Thanks Matt! Keep 'em coming.
That Drum & Bass background music proves Matt is the ultimate Brit.
Superior krautana can cut through nippon folded steel and kill samurai soul inside them!!!!
lol krautana
It's made from mg34 steel folded a gazillion times.
Krautana. Oh god my sides. Take this like damnit.
🤣🤣🤣 i am from Germi
I got a M5b Karl from them on Monday. Incredibly well made, excellent weight distribution and all the fittings are nice and tight. Would definitely recommend Landsknecht Emporium for messers.
I like this Kriegsmesser a lot. When watching all Cold Steel's "Absolute Proof" videos years ago, I had the same thoughts about this sword type, "it's like a German katana!" It was the first time I'd seen this sword type. I have German ancestry, so I've seriously considered just making German arms and armor my focus; but I'm sadly just not into the designs as much as other types, especially with a very limited budget. They do "feel like home" tho lolz. I think the "nail" is a great idea, and can't believe it's so particular to that culture.
I like my katanas to be almost imperceptibly curved, and never cared much for the other Japanese sword designs (except wakizashi shortsword and tanto knife). I never knew quite why the more curved and bigger Japanese swords seemed not so good to me, until you said that being curved helps the blade not "oscillate in a straight line," like I've noticed lots of longswords do. I think the more gentle than average nuki (curvature) on the katana blade helps them retain their thrusting power by avoiding the oscillating pitfall of being perfectly straight, but being close enough to straight that thrusting is still fairly easy and effective, while also still getting all the benefits of being curved for cutting. So, I can friggin' stab with the thing fairly easily, and it cuts like it's famous for! The katana was made for every-day carry in times of peace during civilian life after the civil wars etc were over and Japan was in for centuries of stability, that's why it was designed to be carried blade upwards and the saya (scabbard) simply thrust through the belt (as part of the daisho, with wakizashi). The longer Japanese swords (nodachi, etc) were not just longer blades, but more curved; and designed to be worn blade down in scabbards that attach to belts by suspension systems. I think katanas were made straighter because they understood how useful it is to just poke someone in unarmored fighting, and that the ability to keep people at swordpoint aids in keeping them at bay. My thoughts exactly. Also, being straight makes quick-draw much faster and easier when the katana is carried blade up and simply thrust through the belt. The point may not be optimized for armor, but against an unarmored person that it's shoved through it will do more damage than those more slender anti-armor points, and the blade (especially held 2 handed) can sometimes just cut it's way out of targets after thrusts or cuts. I also cut my teeth with a machete, a forgiving chopper. A katana is a lot like that. Longswords aren't so much. This Kriegsmesser looked very forgiving, I was very impressed by it's cutting power.
So glad to see how far they've come in just the last 5 years.
Repair car or buy Messer... Hmmm...
Just hijack cars WITH your Messer!
For a second i thought you said rapier car
Thats exactly what I was thinking!!
*whispers from a shady street-corner, wearing a hoodie and a cap*: Buy the messer.
buy car, repair messer
That sword was a beast of a cutter, thanks for the video Matt.
Its a nagel. Nurgle is something else entirely.
Granpa Nurgle swords do not look that fine, but even few cuts is enough to condemn the victim to a horrible fate, worse than death.
@@M6nst6r6 INFECTED WITH A POISON.
Love the D&B. Matt taking us on a trip back to his youth in some disused warehouse with a couple hundred sweaty teenagers and an angry man fiddling furiously with his deck.
Change one letter in that and you get your average Catholic upbringing.
Great review, Matt! A glowing review, but fair. I'm glad you really liked this one. I wish I could afford one of these myself.
Beautifully crafted sword, brilliant overview (as usual) and fly AF jacket.
This will be bad for my bank-balance.
Yeah..... It's over a $1,000.
It cuts right through it.
@@MrEdium
This one is 900€. The other one is 1200€.
Lovely review. I have the M3C in blunt and sharp because Mr. Elsmslie advised me to buy from Landsknecht and I am supremely happy. (Thank you, James) Nimble and quick is accurate for all their models, I suppose. Reviews that talk about function, form and construction are what all reviews need. Well done, Matt!
The next Kriegsmesser is anything but nimble, because we really wanted to make something that's extremely on the choppy end of the spectrum. Right now not even we're sure if we didn't overdo it... we'll see when Matt gets around to it.
Also, we're very glad you like your Gottfrieds!
Ádám Bodorics I’ll be excited to see all the wonderful things you make!
the music and framing make it so i can't help but imagine matt as the protagonist in an indie action platforming side-scroller, i guess in some weird cyberpunk setting or something.
Water bottles do give a pretty good idea of how your edge alignment is going. Even if it's mostly good and you don't baseball bat it off the stand it can still show scalloping or shallow tip cuts.
They're also much cheaper than melons, the preferred fruit for discerning swordspersons.
That blade shape is really nice. Love the trailing point.
You're the only person that can make test cutting/bottle cutting look good.
YAAASSSSSS
I can't wait for the 1 hander
Good to see more practical, well made swords appearing.
It's been a while since we've seen Matt squeeeeeeee this hard about a sword!
Something I've learned from these cutting videos: Matt's a Pepsi man.
I am not the only person drinking in my household!
Hey Matt, I have one of their earlier Feder prototypes and the leather handle was joined in the same way, and after three years of use the seam has sort of "smoothed" down and feels quite neat. It never really peeled away so I wouldn't expect that to be a concern with your Messer.
I find the music fun with the cutting montage going along with it :-D
We need a Kriegsmesser fight between Matt (Emporium) and Skallagrim (Albion). "Two men enter, one man leaves!"
One of those guys is an amateur in hema and the other is an instructor...
One is tall and the other is short.
One has a shiny head, the other has a bristling beard.
If anyone is ever entitled to the "That's a knife" meme from Crocodile Dundee it's definetely medieval germans...
You've said you're going for quicker fencing strikes than the full body swings, have you considered setting up multiple posts and bottles to show off consecutive strikes, or is that not practical?
How you walk into the picture with that music. :-D Hilarious! And extremely interesting video.
Well, this version may not be for sale...but the Falke Kriegmesser M5A_++_ is! apparently currently out of stock though. Still, worth keeping tabs on I think, eh?
at a recent HEMA event i got into a discussion about messers and the idea of them being considered knives or not for legislation of carrying. and someone proposed the hypothesis that it was not about legislation of carry/use, but of make. since the guilds relatively tightly controlled who could make what, the messers might have been considered knives for the purpose of who made them. but im not sure about this as the knifemakers guild were tightly intertwined with the fencingschools as per the recently translated rules of duelling in prague. what are your thoughts?
Both these theories have been debunked, I believe. They make a nice story, but sadly neither seem to stand up to historical facts.
I think kriegsmessers became popular simply because they cut better than longswords
@@scholagladiatoria thanks, is there a source you could point me to?
That sword just made my list. I must have one!
Probably one of my all time favourites... another great vid Matt
You should do a comprehensive comparison of Messers and Katanas.
interesting music choice, Matt! :D
Finally. Techno Matt. DJ Matt. Silent Matt.
Love the way Matt always looks so proud after massacring a load of plastic bottles, as if he's just taken out an army of marauding orcs single-handed. Top man!
I have their blunt Gottfried model, and I love it. Wonderful for sparring.
There's nothing like a big fat messer
BUT how would it do vs zombies in a post-apocalyptic world, Aldor?
Thats what she said
@@TimmyTurner421 Probably better than most of the make-shift stuff you often see in regards to zombie apocalypses. I'm not 100% sure if it could easy behead a Zombie with a single swing (for that purpose a proper Zweihänder or simply an executioner sword would be the best choice) but it can certainly chop apart a Zombie in a hurry. Much better than an axe or chain saw, anyway.
I'm really liking the 2019 Matt, keep it up!
That is awesome. Looks like a very fun sword. I reckon i could swing that thing at targets till my arms stopped working. lol. Your form on most cuts looked really clean.
Looks like a heck of a cutting sword
It seems like when he is doing cuts that are downwards or horizontal he is sort of holding his core back in a sort of c body shape and kind of throwing his arms out at the end after his core has stopped rotating. Is that the proper way of doing it, or did he just need to warm up a bit or something? Mostly noticed it in the first few cuts.
*My Favorite guy on RUclips!*
*Respect, Sir, Respect!*
He also doesn't age. Compare this vid to his first one. No difference
His edge alignment is levels above Skallagrims
Timmy Turner when I comes to HEMA skill, Skall is a newb compared to Matt.
Did you expect otherwise? Matt is into HEMA since at least 3 and a half decades and is an instructor since the early 00's. Skall is just some nerd that started playing with swords a decade ago and just now got into HEMA seriously
@@MrPanos2000 I came to the conclusion that subscriber numbers do not necessarily reflect skill.
Hey Matt! Would love one of these or something similar, tried looking into a messer not long ago, however I thought there was a ban in the UK on the import of curved blades of this size. Am I mistaken?
You can buy them if you have martial arts or reenactment insurance/membership.
@@scholagladiatoria Ah, such a shame! Thank you for your quick reply though.
I see a lot of talk about these things on youtube, but don't know much about their historical context. When were they around? What sort of soldiers would be found using them? How popular were they, and where? Any links to period art featuring them?
Large Messer appear in art in the second half of the 15th century, and proper Kriegsmessers pop up at roughly the turning point of the 15th-16th centuries. Everyone could've used them, we see several very luxurious originals with gilt crosses, embossed leather on the grip, etc, and on depictions we see them with plain soldiers as well. The specific illustration we used as the primary source for this specific Kriegsmesser shows an arquebusier with not much bling on him.
Popularity-wise, we don't know for certain. Most of the originals that I know of are high-status pieces, with relatively few plain ones, and on illustrations we see enough to confirm that it was a well-known thing. How popular... I don't know.
For period art, yeah, that's a constant hunt as these images are mostly not tagged too well. We intend to start a research album on our FB page in the foreseeable future, and that'll contain what we can find.
@@adambodorics2903 Very interesting, thanks for the reply.
Very clean cutting, Sir! Bravo.
It would have been better if you give the specification that you get on that blade, like matthew jensen's reviews. I believe if you do that combined with your style of narrative you will be the best reviewer
I'd love to see you take this on Forged in Fire: Knife or Death...
That would be Epic!!!
Looks great! Only the gripp is on the shorter side in my opinion.
European mekugi pegs, fascinating I have never seen or heard of that construction method. I have to make a set of mekugi pegs for the Hira Zukuri I am forging right now, debating what wood to use. Bamboo is traditional.
We also overlooked it for years. Then I stumbled upon a comment by Peter Johnsson on myarmoury saying that some are made with wooden pegs, rushed to our collection of images and spotted 2 right there. They were in front of our eyes for years.
@@adambodorics2903 I think I'm going to have to look into this a bit more, there really isn't much public information about it, I wonder how many swords out there have this method of construction, and we haven't opened up the hilts to inspect them. There doesn't seem to be much data online about it, I might cover a video on the topic after I study this some more.
This is my new favorite sword. I love the Kriegsmesser.
it`s ok.
what i dont like about it: it`s not a knightly weapon.
the messer was a weapon for peasant rebels, brigands, swiss mercenaries, landsknechts ...
a knight or any man of standing would not touch such a thing.
@@MrSven3000 That's quite the generalization
@@MrSven3000 Except there are several high-end pieces, and Maximilian I had a few bodyguards equipped with these. We even have an altar sculpture with an earlier bastard-sized Messer, and if it's good enough for a saint... commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kefermarkter_Fl%C3%BCgelaltar#/media/File:Georg_Kefermarkt.JPG
Matt How long is the blade ? I'm also wondering why such swords were not popular historically ?
They were quite popular in German speaking Europe for some time. Not sure about other regions.
They do pop up far from Germany, like the "saber" of Henry VIII is pretty much a Messer. We can even find analogues to his full tang/velvet covered grip slabs construction, there's a Kriegsmesser in Vienna that has the grip slabs wrapped in leather with the tang visible and decorated in between. Smaller Messers, both curved and straight are relatively common in Eastern Europe as well, and there's an entire subgroup specific to that region. Ones and twos pop up in Northern Europe, like Finland IIRC. In HRE territory, they are somewhat common, but illustrations still show them to be more common than what the finds seem to imply. Then again, we have some city regulations where only the high-ups are allowed to wear Messers, so at least in those locations it must've been rather popular if their use had to be restricted.
And then there are the dagger-sized sidearms with knife-like construction, Bauernwehr and Rugger, and their more hunt-oriented descendants/relatives like the Waidpraxe and the hunting trousse (which is basically a Bauernwehr surrounded by bypieces). The latter style survived well into the 18th century, here's an example: i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/6b/4e/9f6b4ea689e230742165e1e0d9cc6203.png
And for comparison, here's a 16th century one as well: imgur.com/a/1qGia6v
So, what exactly costs the extra 700 euros between this and the other Messer on their site? Is the extra curve that difficult to make?
Maybe different steel, more sharpened, better fit and finish. But I don't know. Just mentioned some possible reasons.
Hi, Ádám here. Yes, it's the curve, as it's only 2 of us who can do that reliably. It would be very easy to do with CNC obviously, but with handgrinding every blade, it comes down to individual skillset and efficiency and these just take that much more time to make. For comparison, with the simple sharp longswords we are working on right now we are estimating a sub-600 EUR price tag and it's entirely possible that we'll be able to pull that down closer to 500 EUR.
@@adambodorics2903 Thanks for the response Adam, looking forward to seeing the Long Swords. You guys seem to have really competitive pricing especially when compared to Albion, especially for the other Kriegsmesser. Quite the temptation.
Is the difference between a kriegsmesser and a langmesser that this one is curved? Or is the curve just a thing some have and some dont
I think kriegsmesser is two handed, and langmesser shorter one handed.
I have had my eye on their work. Just ordered one of their swords. I can not wait to play with it.
Then you might be happy to hear that we'll be packaging it tomorrow.
@@adambodorics2903 you good sir, you just made my day off so much better! I have been eyeing for a messer for a long, and I actually am showing your work to close fellows of mine. Thank you good sir!
I have to say, that sword fits you perfectly! Just something about it, it's like you were meant to have it or something. If you were a character in a medieval story, I think you'd have that particular sword
Well you confirmed my suspicion im a 5 kyu in Toyama Ryu Iaido and iv been drawn to the kreigsmesser because it is the closest western analogue and hopefully it will alow me to transfer more of my skills when i get onto hema looks like i need one lol😏
The 'out of the box' sharpness is very, *very* impressive.
What happened with your calipers Matt ,i remember when you were excited to have bought a set.
Hmm, being a fan of sabres, maybe I should add a kriegsmesser over a longsword. Then again, I like rapier too, so maybe one day I'll add both and cover the spread with one & two-handed curved & straight blades, lol
The handle looks slick. I could easily imagine that if handle gets wet that would be very easily to lose grip of the sword. I personally think Albion's handle is better designed. Even if you lose grip of the sword, you still have that hook at the bottom as a catch and you can use the holes in the tube rivets to run a string for a lanyard.
This type of leather does not really get slippy when wet. If anything, it gets more sticky.
Awesome! i'm glad to know they thought of that @@scholagladiatoria
I'm not even into swords and I want one...looks slick af.
Whoop whoop, the Junglin’Cutter is back - Aaaayeee!
Great looking messer. How does it compare to the one from Albion?
I'm just curious: Is there any reason that this sword costs about 3.5 times as much as their other models? It seems absolutely worth it, I'm just curious about the large gap in pricing.
It's actually very straightforward, they take that much more time compared to the shorter and straight models. They shouldn't, based on the size difference, but with everything being handground* they do. I find curved blades to be exponentially more difficult than straight ones, and grinding curved fullers is a sweat-drenched nightmare.
* it's further complicated by that we are only 4 guys over here. All of us can grind a straight blade to near-completion alone, but only two of us can grind curved pieces well, so we can't organize production that good.
@@adambodorics2903 Thank you so much! I hope I didn't offend any of you. I very much appreciate this answer and it makes perfect sense!
@@sylvanstrength7520 No offense taken at all, one of the things we do is being as transparent as realistically possible. And yeah, it is a rather noticeable price gap, so it was a completely valid question.
@@adambodorics2903 So would the price of a straight 5b Kriegsmesser be more in line with the one-handed models?
@@filthypappenheimer5355 Depends on the exact design, but yeah, there are some originals and illustrations that we could base off a simple straight Kriegsmesser and end up under 500 EUR.
2:32 Yatagan? Not kriegmesser? ;-)
The more kriegsmesser videos on net the better! Finally an alternative for Albion and Lutel models. Beautiful and only 1200 grams of weight, if their site is accurate here
impressive cutting! that honestly look more lively than my katana, can't barely cut with it one handed lol
Does this mean Skallagrim has been a secret katana lover all along?
Nah, this is a krautana according to someone else.
That music sounds like it should be the soundtrack for an 80ies movie called "Landsknecht Copper" about a police officer who hunts down bad guys with his messer.
Bonus points if he does so on mars.
Drum and Bass didn't exist in the 80s.
This thing looks *huuuge* ! 😦
Nothing better to listen to while looking at Matt cutting things than Dubstep, I guess! 😅
Matt have you moved to Berlin or has your next door got a scrooge problem with the world ? A wall (fence) like china?
You've got a copy of "The Duel" on your shelf 😁 good book!
AWESOME Messer, and some pretty sweet DnB too!
But a katana does have a 2 piece grip... and weaboo power lol, was that a modern major general refrence.
Clipped points have such a nice aesthetic. ^.^
now I'm really torn between this and the Lutel 'Hand-and-a-half Sabre.'
The Lutel one costs like half of what this costs (~400€ vs 900€) and comes with a basic hanger or sheath, but I doubt it has the same quality (it can't tbh, at those prices.).
There's only one Review for the Lutel one as well, by Philip Martin on SBG...
What do?
I have handled the Lutel and it is really dead and bar-like.
I have the lutel, it's nice enough for the money but given the choice I'd go for the landsknecht.
shame really - though almost to be expected at that price-difference I guess.
Visually I find the Lutel far more appealing tbh. The wound crossguard and wooden grip with metal buttplate look so nice.
May have to ask Landsknecht what their option and prices for a custom are...
Thank you! :)
@@Sareth94 Pavel Moc does a nice 'swiss sabre' that's kind of between the two in price.
Expensive it might seem, but I do think LE are still undercharging for what they do, though.
that's a good shout!
I looked up Pavel Moc - his swiss sabre hits pretty much the aesthetics I'm looking for.
His swiss sabre also seems to have some distal taper (4.9 to 3 mm according to another online store that sells them), and he does deep customization if wished apparently.
I think I'm gonna contact him and see what he says about it!
Thansk a lot!
Is it possible to mordhau with a blade that wide?
I have been following their Instagram and love their works
06:30 OMG
does mama easton know, to what kind of sound the good boy is listening, when she`s not around ?? phoooo
When I grow up I want a Kriegsmesser
When I grow up I want to be a Kriegsmesser :D
Now that’s a knife! Perfect for messering about in the backyard. Minor nitpick, music should of been Mack the Knife.
Looks really nice ☺️
i didnt know you were into tekno music hope to see you in a rave 😜
banging dnb whilst swinging a sword = 2 of my favourite things
It does look like a nice sword, though I'm not sure I want one. I love kriegsmessers in principle, though personally I'm put off by some of the aesthetics. Mainly I dislike those long, plain quillions since I think they look disproportionate and, frankly, a bit dull. I'm also not a fan of the sudden increase in curvature towards the tip - I prefer saber type swords that curve evenly. The Albion Knecht is still my favorite design-wise since I love the blade profile, but I still just kinda want to replace the guard with something nicer and more elegant. Or, at least, shorten the quillions somewhat.
Where's Cat Easton???
It just looks so fucking good.........
@scholagladiatoria
I noticed your German pronunciation has become much better!
Very interesting Video btw.
Beautiful sword
6:20 *battle music intensifies*
I am saving up for a trip to the U.K. at the moment, will maybe in 2020 during fightcamp. Until then my conscience says NO SWORDS. 😅