The music choice for the cutting is just perfect. It really makes the skilled usage even more impressive. A long video, but well worth the time watching!
Thanks for the review! On my Günther the gripscales shrunk too. However a few weeks ago when i took it out they had expanded again to their proper size. Its just something we have to live with as the people in the past had to.
I don’t have a big problem with the grip scale shrinking or expanding. Part of the challenge of a knife hilt construction I guess. It does set it apart from regular sword hilts.
Great review; thorough, well-shot & well-demonstrated as always. This is an apt comparison given their similarities (however surface) & price-points, and you answer just about every question. I think the MAA Messer is one of CS’s more well-designed offerings, and LE’s just killing it in this niche (IMO) with the Gustav likely being my favorite of their line-up. These are both pieces I still consider picking up often, even after commissioning a Messer-inspired piece just recently. I just love these shorter Messer with knuckle-bows; My favorite historical “edc” blades.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Absolutely, and I’m glad you’re part of that charge being lead. Your reviews are in a class of their own. I gotta get back on SBG and update you on my “Messer” we were discussing, actually.
One from lanskenecht emporium is definitely on my list of swords to get. Great video. Comprehensive. Covered everything. Definitely doing a service to the community.
Thanks for this review; Very informative and detailed. I have considered these and the Adorian messer and opted for the Adorian due to the slightly longer length.
@@mgrif737 thank you! Andorian is quite a different messer from the Gustav. The latter is quite stout and broad for cutting power, while the former is slender and nimble.
Thanks a lot, buddy, and glad that you enjoy it. Trying to trim down recent videos and make them more concise, primarily I have already spoken about everything I wanted to discuss in these old-timers, haha! But glad to hear that these could bring some entertainment value by having some cutting footage to watch but also just me rambling about swords for an hour to put in the background.🙂
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold I can see how your style has evolved over time. Don't mind the long version videos, you always pack a ton on of information into them. Very few reviews show historical information or contemporary comparisons, so I find it worth the watch.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold 3/4 through both project and video and I would probably choose the Cold Steel for the extra blade length and cool blued effect. Would be easy enough to sand the handle into personalized shaping. While both are beautiful, I don't see the Landsknecht Emporium as being worth the price relative to the other. Great review and showing.
Thanks a ton for the support! I think I would pick the Cold Steel for its cost-effectiveness, too. It moves quite well. The LE Gustav has a lot of style and has done all in a historically accurate manner, the cost is higher but I van see why some people would definitely prefer their swords (they offer a large variety of messers and dussacks).
i've got the cold steel MAA messer and it definitely doesn't seem like a "messer", it really is more of a falchion or a cross between a messer and a falchion
It is definitely a messer. It has the nagel side protection, which are not found on any falchions. It also has the pommel style of a messer (some messers don’t have a pommel), that is flush with the grip instead of having a geometry that stand out from the grip-like a wheel pommel often found on falchions.
Awesome. Sir, what do you think about Landsknecht Emporium Gustav Messer which is only have 50 centi mater blade? Is it good and effective enough for combat and cutting tatami?
Like I commented in the video, the blade being a bit short is indeed a concern of not being able to generate significant tip speed, and make the messer handle like a stocky and stout big knife, which it totally is XD. At times you may indeed feel you are short changed. It is an unique piece for sure, the extra broad profile is very appealing for some.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold as an asian. I only 5' 5" tall. Would it be a full size sword for me? XD. May I know about your height, please? so I can measure clearly about it.
@@adityafirdaus3881 I'm 6"1 (186 cm), so a 19.5" (50 cm) blade feels definitely a bit too short for me. But it is one style of grossemesser, so your mileage may entirely vary based on your taste and preference.
Yes, you can. They are slightly heavier than modern machetes of the same size as swords have proper edge bevel depth all the way from the spine or the edge of the fuller instead of the shallow bevels on modern machetes (antique and vintage machetes were not built like this), and the blade on swords (including this messer) is thicker at the spine and have distal taper. It would be more durable and handle better than machetes, doing bushcraft should be no problem and if anything because they move better you would have a better time than you would using a machete. Just be aware that they are heavier so when you carried this messer out on your belt it’s more cumbersome than a machete.
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The music choice for the cutting is just perfect. It really makes the skilled usage even more impressive. A long video, but well worth the time watching!
Glad that you enjoy it so much!
It made me want schnitzel.
I own one of the longer Messers from Landsknecht Emporium, easily the best sword i own it feels amazing in the hand.
Yes, Landsknecht Emporium is definitely the leader in messer reproduction so far, in terms of handling, aesthetics and historicity.
Thanks for the review!
On my Günther the gripscales shrunk too. However a few weeks ago when i took it out they had expanded again to their proper size. Its just something we have to live with as the people in the past had to.
I don’t have a big problem with the grip scale shrinking or expanding. Part of the challenge of a knife hilt construction I guess. It does set it apart from regular sword hilts.
Great review; thorough, well-shot & well-demonstrated as always. This is an apt comparison given their similarities (however surface) & price-points, and you answer just about every question. I think the MAA Messer is one of CS’s more well-designed offerings, and LE’s just killing it in this niche (IMO) with the Gustav likely being my favorite of their line-up.
These are both pieces I still consider picking up often, even after commissioning a Messer-inspired piece just recently. I just love these shorter Messer with knuckle-bows; My favorite historical “edc” blades.
Yeah messers have definitely gained popularity in recent years. Very interesting knife-swords worthy of more attention from the community!
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Absolutely, and I’m glad you’re part of that charge being lead. Your reviews are in a class of their own.
I gotta get back on SBG and update you on my “Messer” we were discussing, actually.
@@Boggsy. Thanks!
One from lanskenecht emporium is definitely on my list of swords to get. Great video. Comprehensive. Covered everything. Definitely doing a service to the community.
Thanks, Eric!! LE is definitely a leader in the reproduction messer market.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold welcome
An hour of pure awesomeness! Slick cutting!
Thanks for this review; Very informative and detailed. I have considered these and the Adorian messer and opted for the Adorian due to the slightly longer length.
@@mgrif737 thank you! Andorian is quite a different messer from the Gustav. The latter is quite stout and broad for cutting power, while the former is slender and nimble.
9:40 That's cool footage. Watching this while doing tsukamaki on a project sword, so I'm glad it's an hour long. Cheers and best of cuts, man.
Thanks a lot, buddy, and glad that you enjoy it. Trying to trim down recent videos and make them more concise, primarily I have already spoken about everything I wanted to discuss in these old-timers, haha! But glad to hear that these could bring some entertainment value by having some cutting footage to watch but also just me rambling about swords for an hour to put in the background.🙂
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold I can see how your style has evolved over time. Don't mind the long version videos, you always pack a ton on of information into them. Very few reviews show historical information or contemporary comparisons, so I find it worth the watch.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold 3/4 through both project and video and I would probably choose the Cold Steel for the extra blade length and cool blued effect. Would be easy enough to sand the handle into personalized shaping. While both are beautiful, I don't see the Landsknecht Emporium as being worth the price relative to the other. Great review and showing.
Thanks a ton for the support! I think I would pick the Cold Steel for its cost-effectiveness, too. It moves quite well. The LE Gustav has a lot of style and has done all in a historically accurate manner, the cost is higher but I van see why some people would definitely prefer their swords (they offer a large variety of messers and dussacks).
Beautiful stance and posture in cutting. I've been researching the market for a new messer, this review definitely helps a lot!
i've got the cold steel MAA messer and it definitely doesn't seem like a "messer", it really is more of a falchion or a cross between a messer and a falchion
It is definitely a messer. It has the nagel side protection, which are not found on any falchions. It also has the pommel style of a messer (some messers don’t have a pommel), that is flush with the grip instead of having a geometry that stand out from the grip-like a wheel pommel often found on falchions.
Last descendant of Großes Messer seems to be traditional Hirschfänger, used up to 1930s.
Heino! Love it! So fitting...
You nailed the historical analysis!
Thank you for your compliment!
Another exquisite exposé. Well done, sir!
You are too kind!
I own an LE Dorothea Dussack Sharp. It is one of my best, and it is an expertly made sword.
Indeed, Dorothea is absolutely a beautiful dussack.
Super cool cutting with the German music!
What are the songs for the test cutting segment?
I updated the description and added the list of songs used.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold cheers!
LE will leave forging marks on their blades for "authenticity." If you ask them to, they will clean it up before sending it to you.
Yeah I noticed that. I’m not bothered by it, just brought it up for review purposes.
I especially love the Kult of Athena all blue steel and a shell Nagel! The epitome of beauty!
Yeah the Cold Steel messer is very modern with its gun blued steel. But it still looks elegant.
Awesome. Sir, what do you think about Landsknecht Emporium Gustav Messer which is only have 50 centi mater blade? Is it good and effective enough for combat and cutting tatami?
Like I commented in the video, the blade being a bit short is indeed a concern of not being able to generate significant tip speed, and make the messer handle like a stocky and stout big knife, which it totally is XD. At times you may indeed feel you are short changed. It is an unique piece for sure, the extra broad profile is very appealing for some.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold as an asian. I only 5' 5" tall. Would it be a full size sword for me? XD. May I know about your height, please? so I can measure clearly about it.
@@adityafirdaus3881 I'm 6"1 (186 cm), so a 19.5" (50 cm) blade feels definitely a bit too short for me. But it is one style of grossemesser, so your mileage may entirely vary based on your taste and preference.
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold ah, I see. thank you, Mr. Kane.
Nice music while cutting.
Thanks!
Could you use this messer like a machete without damaging it? So like chopping small trees / branches and the like.
Yes, you can. They are slightly heavier than modern machetes of the same size as swords have proper edge bevel depth all the way from the spine or the edge of the fuller instead of the shallow bevels on modern machetes (antique and vintage machetes were not built like this), and the blade on swords (including this messer) is thicker at the spine and have distal taper. It would be more durable and handle better than machetes, doing bushcraft should be no problem and if anything because they move better you would have a better time than you would using a machete. Just be aware that they are heavier so when you carried this messer out on your belt it’s more cumbersome than a machete.
Great comparison!
Thanks!
Your wife is such a cool girl. Does she practice with you?
An hour watching messers is an hour well spent
Indeed, I quite agree! Thank you very much!
nice
Thanks, buddy!
This guys awesome..
Thank you very much!
Where do you live....Lake Tahoe?
By the English Bay in Vancouver
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold eww, a Canadian.
😅
As a german I must say, that the music is really awful :D
The music is bad? In what way?
@@That-guy916 I got the sense that he might meant "awesome". I have some German colleagues and they occasionally mix up "awesome" and "awful", too.