Understanding Stalking

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  • Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024

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  • @GloxGlox-nl4cd
    @GloxGlox-nl4cd 3 года назад +21

    Glad to have come across this. It's about time the general public becomes more aware of these things.

  • @benwestwood2061
    @benwestwood2061 5 лет назад +25

    He makes such a valid point just under 33 minutes in about desk officers in police stations not being trained or aware enough to see a crime being committed.
    We have the same issue with many police stations in the UK, i'm glad to see he has helped his local force make progressive steps to support victims of stalking.

    • @angelinasouren
      @angelinasouren 3 года назад +2

      yeah, even the police forces themselves ended up admitting that they fail stalking victims as a rule:
      www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/news/news-feed/victims-of-harassment-and-stalking-left-at-risk-by-the-police-and-crown-prosecution-service/

  • @tobystevens9183
    @tobystevens9183 3 года назад +26

    "It's all in your head. Stalking does not exist."
    Not some, not many, but most people will say this to you when you share with them that you are being stalked. Even the "professionals" whose job it is to protect those being chased by these insane freaks will all tell you that you are paranoid schizophrenic. TRUTH.
    I have come to the conclusion that most of free society is insane, including most of my family, after dealing with a psychotic stalker.

  • @SoaringWhiteSpirit
    @SoaringWhiteSpirit 3 года назад +31

    It’s very important to put more study and work into understanding female stalkers. It does not only occur with juveniles.
    Women stalk other women. It is prevalent and cuts across all ages. It’s a power, envy, revenge, competition sick thing and needs to be realized.

    • @TheTeganOsmondChannel
      @TheTeganOsmondChannel 3 года назад +7

      well said. I have dealt with a male stalker who also had his girlfriend participate. She followed me, harassed me etc. Serious problem. What do these women want? I barely knew this couple. The man seemed to think we had some type of relationship, and his girlfriend/wife would participate in the stalking. I can find hardly any information about this online though

    • @SoaringWhiteSpirit
      @SoaringWhiteSpirit 3 года назад +8

      @@TheTeganOsmondChannel, I can’t speak to a woman who is an accessory with a man. I do think that situation might have it’s own category of disturbed psychological explanation.
      With regards to women who stalk on their own and their target is another woman who is not in a relationship with them, the one thing I have come up with after dealing with this exact situation and learning about it for my protection is “What do they want?” is kind of complex - for them. I am not so concerned about their own disturbed motives since I am not their therapist. What I am concerned about is what is it about me that led them to get hooked in and what can I do differently, so it stops and also never happens again.
      To that end, I found that asking “What am I giving them?” more enlightening. It’s kind of turning the question around. But, makes a big difference in seeing things. In my case, the woman felt rejected by me since I didn’t want to be her “Besty Friendy” - the same trigger as many male stalkers.

    • @SoaringWhiteSpirit
      @SoaringWhiteSpirit 3 года назад +6

      @@TheTeganOsmondChannel, Hi again. Yes, being stalked/targeted is horrible. Just to be clear I am talking about sustained obsessive intrusive harassment which the word “bullying” is barely descriptive of, since this can take quite underhanded and manipulative forms. I think it’s barely understood just how damaging this type of behaviour is.
      As per any suggestions to offer - All I can say is I am working on this as I go, taking notes, reading, watching, learning, and also simply have come to crossroads where I no longer allow ANYTHING that crosses me. I think that was actually the biggest catalyst. I let warning signs slide with people and kept them in my network/bubble to some degree, when really that was a mistake.
      It’s complex because I had a gut feeling (spidey sense, call it what you will) with this one. But, because of others in my social circle, I did not draw a hard enough line. So, looking back and going over how this went on for too long, I would say don’t be afraid to be tough and stick to your instincts. There’s a reason it’s called tough. It’s difficult when others “poo-poo” you and don’t see the snake in the grass. But, in the end, it’s ourselves and also our loved ones (who didn’t see it) who pay the price.
      Lastly, “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin de Becker is the classic I recommend to everyone.

    • @TheTeganOsmondChannel
      @TheTeganOsmondChannel 3 года назад +2

      @@SoaringWhiteSpirit thank you

    • @SoaringWhiteSpirit
      @SoaringWhiteSpirit 3 года назад

      @@TheTeganOsmondChannel 💪🏻😎

  • @musicandeye
    @musicandeye 2 года назад +7

    Great info. Good to know what stalking even is, because my ex stalks me through the children and I did not even know that this is what he is doing. Thank you!

  • @kahlodiego5299
    @kahlodiego5299 3 года назад +37

    Nothing can be done about stalking. Probably an interesting subject when it's not happening to you. There is no justice, no peace. I am simply not allowed to live my life.

    • @starlight8302
      @starlight8302 3 года назад +7

      There is something you can do. You can live your life. Dont let them control you as that is what they want. Get evidence, cameras, protective order.

    • @EasySoundsAsmr
      @EasySoundsAsmr 3 года назад +6

      I Feel The Same I Continue To Attract Different Stalkers At My Jobs The First At My House. It’s Like I’m Living On The Run, I Don’t Understand Why They Come Or Why They Won’t Leave You Alone When You Don’t Know Them At All In My Cases

    • @ladyreepatton6342
      @ladyreepatton6342 2 года назад +1

      @@EasySoundsAsmr This happens to me a lot too . It's a nightmare.,,😔😟 They just keep coming.

    • @ready4jesus534
      @ready4jesus534 2 года назад +4

      It’s the gov/ police!! I’m not talking about the kind of stalking where men are stalking
      women or women stalking men l am speaking of gangstalking
      or community policing.(multiple people stalking you like following you into a store or restaurant or in a car on your way somewhere) And then these police
      get on here and play dumb that it even exists!! They just want to make you believe only the one on one type of stalking exists!!
      They even watch these types of sites and comment that people
      who complain about gangstalking are mentally ill to cover up their covert illegal nastiness!!! People have committed suicide over their
      lies saying that this stuff isn’t real!!
      Remember police are trained to lie. (Remember they lie to try to get people to admit to something). You see here this guy never mentions this kind of
      stalking!!! And police wonder why people are loosing respect
      for them!!! Wake up people!!
      Sometimes you ARE the stalker!!!

    • @numberstimes
      @numberstimes 2 года назад

      @@ready4jesus534 Zeph Danial Speaker

  • @craig3714
    @craig3714 4 года назад +22

    Dude speaking facts alot of our stalkers are hackers and some of them are females. Both males and females get stalked stalking doesn't care what gender you are. Stalking & bullying does go hand in hand correct sir !

    • @ARedMagicMarker
      @ARedMagicMarker 2 года назад +1

      @GhostGun It's called mental illness. I am all for creating a stalking team tailored to stalk the stalkers and put them down like the dogs they are one by one. Some of these people are going to screw with the wrong person.

  • @craig3714
    @craig3714 4 года назад +16

    My stalkers seem to know everywhere I go and shop on a daily it's very disturbing!

    • @scphotogirl
      @scphotogirl 4 года назад +6

      They're probably tracking you

    • @radfish2960
      @radfish2960 4 года назад +6

      Mine too they know when I wake sleep they haunt my every step like demon shadows they have u electronically followed very easy apps and gadgets all sold on Amazon u r under surveillance just like me, with radio frequency laser shit they sell now . They got sound machines planted all around back yard and sit there while I poop shower kitchen too living room access me through hallway. On and on truly evil sick folk.

    • @craig3714
      @craig3714 4 года назад +1

      @@radfish2960 Smh

    • @capricorn2260
      @capricorn2260 3 года назад +1

      @@scphotogirl How if they are stranger

    • @johnnytumaki9898
      @johnnytumaki9898 3 года назад +1

      @@radfish2960 do you analyse your body movement and blood pressure?

  • @kimberlydahl6897
    @kimberlydahl6897 4 года назад +23

    My neighbors stalk me

    • @annbell3864
      @annbell3864 3 года назад +5

      Neighborhood “Watch” criminals stalk for little checks from the police.

    • @yayasfantasyland1111
      @yayasfantasyland1111 2 года назад +3

      Gangstalk🤫🤫🤫

    • @LaurieFloodTeacher
      @LaurieFloodTeacher Год назад +2

      @@annbell3864 fancy new cars every year.

    • @taraarrington2285
      @taraarrington2285 Год назад

      Damn narcissistic neighbors😂 I'm not sure what's so exciting.

    • @debthornton1129
      @debthornton1129 Год назад +1

      My neighbor has been stalking me for almost 4 years!

  • @lianasadoyan5626
    @lianasadoyan5626 3 года назад +11

    ADVICE NEEDED: victims can't convince their relatives or friends that they are being stalked. Any apparent actions carried out by stalkers will lead to police investigation. So these creeps are careful enough not to let that happen. For example my stalker wouldn't contact me directly. The bunch of idiots working for the main perpetraitor invite me to like pages that contain illegally obtained details of my daily life, they send friend reqests to people who have posted picture or piece of information that resembles my personal/work/family life. They manipulate my google, fb, insta feed so that it brings results on my page that i have no interest in but contains illegally obtained information. What am I supposed to to in this case? Has anyone had similiar issues? btw in addtition to calls being intercepted, full access to my computer and phone, I am also stalked physically. They also installed device nearby our residental building to monitor my home activities remotely. So I had to change curtains. hat was the easiest part. This has been going on since october 1, 2018 and doesn't show any signs of stopping.

    • @__jadedmuse__
      @__jadedmuse__ 3 года назад +2

      How’s going with that now?

    • @LaurieFloodTeacher
      @LaurieFloodTeacher Год назад +3

      That sounds like the organized gang stalking I am going through, and the cops aid and abet it.

    • @taraarrington2285
      @taraarrington2285 Год назад +2

      @@LaurieFloodTeacher yes. And the thing is you don't know what these people want I don't know if they want to hurt me or my family I don't know what they want from me I don't get it

    • @LaurieFloodTeacher
      @LaurieFloodTeacher Год назад +2

      @@taraarrington2285 They want to earn prizes and rewards. They likely don't know the reason either.

  • @kimberlydahl6897
    @kimberlydahl6897 4 года назад +15

    I've been dealing with this almost Five years

    • @allycatt6243
      @allycatt6243 3 года назад +2

      Wow, I'm so sorry. I've had one for nearly a year now.

    • @tobystevens9183
      @tobystevens9183 3 года назад +2

      Set up a scenario where it would be legal to use deadly force. Start by getting a restraining order. Easy to get. Talk extensively about "fearing for your life". Then use lethal force.

    • @debthornton1129
      @debthornton1129 Год назад

      My neighbor of almost 4 years has been stalking me since he moved in! He even tried to run me over with his car. :(

    • @natashab3113
      @natashab3113 Год назад

      Just over 2 years for me

  • @sharron6642
    @sharron6642 2 года назад +3

    I am utterly stunned and amazed at what I've just heard you say on your video .
    I live in the UK and have been stalked seen 2007. I can't even think of reporting this ongoing mental torture ever again because the police persons that I reported it to had no knowledge of stalking cases
    Ever show up apparently, because twice they found out who my GP was and advised them that I might need to have a psychological check done due to my not knowing who stalks me or why .
    ( my stalker has been accessing my home now for years , damaging clothes , taking the glass frames out of pictures hanging on my walls,
    To name just a few .... ( really).
    It sounds like a dream to know that your police force has this amazing specialised team of people dedicating themselves to this horrific crime that iI can never see coming to an end for me.
    I'm now 61 and have become conditioned to this living nightmare that professionals in the UK seem to be tonally unaware of apparently.
    Good luck in your continuing progress in this field ,
    You have no idea how good it felt to hear you describe stalkers different styles ,
    ( their modus operandi ) which is something I fully recognise my stalker has,
    ... his own signature .
    I'm actually so knowledgeable about stalking now , that had mine ended, I feel I could of been of use to british police forces to teach the signs and patterns that stalkers can adopt.
    The irony of this is they don't even seem to be aware just how prevalent this crime is in the UK so all of my knowledge will never be used to help anyone when I know so much and could help so many.

  • @alejandramd2
    @alejandramd2 3 года назад +7

    Instead of blaming the victim for glowing back to her abuser to protect her children or keep from being homeless, blame the system that makes it easy for abusers to abuse, gender pay inequality, systemic racism, poor public transportation, expensive childcare, low minimum wage, no universal healthcare and a family court system that values the appearance of congeniality and discards the victims of abuse as “being difficult”. How about you advocate for these things and then stalking perhaps will decrease??????

  • @mihaela255
    @mihaela255 4 года назад +10

    Devil+technology

  • @mazermajestic
    @mazermajestic 2 года назад +6

    They spend enormous amounts of time in their profession which is stalking"

  • @nicholasmcdonald204
    @nicholasmcdonald204 Год назад +2

    Stalking needs to stoped permanently. It's a big problem.

  • @kausamsalam8543
    @kausamsalam8543 2 года назад +2

    Mass shooters were once stalkers, too. Thankful that there are better police officers nowadays after so much violence on women in Texas.

  • @TheTeganOsmondChannel
    @TheTeganOsmondChannel 3 года назад +3

    Thank you this was awesome!

  • @glammoney6661
    @glammoney6661 3 года назад +5

    Bottom line is they have to much time on there hands, maybe go to school or get a full time job, with overtime time. Go to church or volunteer, be productive, not a loser!

    • @LaurieFloodTeacher
      @LaurieFloodTeacher Год назад

      When I'm being nice, I call them bearded fairies because real men get jobs and do real work in society that helps somebody. Pansies gangstalk full time or even part time for new cars.

  • @waltergeorge9617
    @waltergeorge9617 3 года назад +8

    Gang Stalking

    • @yayasfantasyland1111
      @yayasfantasyland1111 2 года назад +1

      Perverted gangstalking, now allowed, 🤫🤫🤫💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿💵💵💵🆗🆗🆗

    • @waltergeorge9617
      @waltergeorge9617 2 года назад +2

      @@yayasfantasyland1111 Everyone is an undercover Criminal nowadays

  • @HospitalForSouls.X
    @HospitalForSouls.X Год назад +2

    My stalker is actually in law enforcement, and his coworkers are in on it as well. He's lucky I actually like him and I enjoy his behavior, seeing as how I'm a looney tune myself. I find his obsessiveness to be a turn on. That would be an interesting video, you know, to cover a person who enjoys being stalked, lol.
    He noticed me one day when I was driving in my town, and it was probably one of the most random things in the world. He literally saw me for a split second and started following me, all the way to my house, where he then turned around and left.
    Maybe a few weeks later I ran into him again when he was on night shift -- he found me sitting in my car outside my house, and he mentioned to me that my registration was expired. I told him I would handle that when I could. Not long after, he found me again, sitting in my car at the park that's next to my house. I noticed that I kept having these interactions with him at my home, where no tickets were ever written, despite him knowing about my registration AND my license suspension (I continued to drive anyway).
    For about a month or two, I went through a depression, following an incident where I was caught by different police officers for driving suspended. The car was impounded and I felt incapacitated, so I spent a lot of time in my room after work, crying or just sitting and watching RUclips. I started noticing him parking his squad car directly outside my house, on the grass, facing my bedroom. He'd watch me until I noticed him, at which point he'd speed off every single time. But eventually he stopped driving away, and we would just stare at each other.
    Things went quiet for a bit, until he found me at the park again, only that time I was just sitting on a picnic table. I was drunk and moderately stressed out. He had driven off the road and over a basketball court to come talk to me, and we ended up having a pretty long conversation just sitting together in the dark. The vibe was right and there was an obvious atmosphere of mutual attraction, which he could barely hold back. He even made an effort to tell me about his strained marriage, and the fact that he'd give me his number but his wife would kill him. I knew at that point that he was planning to have his cake and eat it too. It was a test to see if I'd still be interested in him, knowing he was married. Now that I've confirmed that to him, his stalking has been even more intense.
    He'll follow me when I'm out on my walks, driving by up to ten times in a half hour, if not more. Once I situate on a bench to have a smoke, he'll find a spot in the dark nearby and watch me. When he drives by he turns his head all the way towards me and just stares hungrily. I noticed that about him...he loves to watch me and just look at me. Many times when we talk in person, there will be moments where he just doesn't say anything and he stares directly into my eyes. It's the way a guy looks when he wants to kiss you but doesn't know if he should.
    Funnily enough, he has now started to talk about stalking me, directly to my face, and has enlisted his partner to follow me as well. One night recently he found me passed out in a rental car that I obtained illegally (my license is still suspended). He knows my license status....but I was not given any hassle. He told me to just stay parked so the other guys wouldn't see me driving. He also told me he had "driven by you three times and you were still sleeping". He has to go out of his way to do that, since the windows of that car were tinted. He'd have to come down my street and drive by slowly to see anything. I thought about how that must have looked, but I find it cute.
    I don't think he has ill intentions but I'm not sure. Clearly something is off in his mind, but like I said, something is off in mine too.

  • @shawannaanderson3226
    @shawannaanderson3226 4 года назад +5

    Amazing facts

  • @randomsasquatchwithwifi4090
    @randomsasquatchwithwifi4090 5 лет назад +11

    Wow....my stalker left a video with a song. (He had broken in a few times...i had an op...) And the last time, he brought a taser and a shotgun and told me he was there to kill me...asked me how i wanted to die...do i want to be shot or strangled? I chose shooting. He chose both. I spent hours literally fighting for my life that night. But...after coming to the second time he strangled me, he left the shotgun next to me...i think he thought i was dead....i did not shoot him....i backed my way out, dropped the gun and ran. He shot himself in the head after i got out. But later the police showed me a video he made and it had that Bobby Mcdarrin song...."beyond the sea"....creepy....but now its 15 years later and my 12 year old autistic son plays that damn song over and over....its actually helped me get over the creepy feel of that song. The police were fantastic. More knowledge and empowerment for victims is needed....but its also come a long way. Thank you or your due diligence!

    • @Andrea-sl8wd
      @Andrea-sl8wd 5 лет назад +5

      Kimberly Galanti
      So sorry to hear of what you experienced.

    • @radfish2960
      @radfish2960 4 года назад +3

      God bless u. We should create some type of club to exchange knowledge and solutions?

    • @MissTia777
      @MissTia777 4 года назад

      Stop lying!

    • @intuitiveempress217
      @intuitiveempress217 3 года назад +2

      @@MissTia777 Don’t be a FOOL. 🤦‍♀️ 😒

  • @numberstimes
    @numberstimes 2 года назад +2

    Stalkers are everywhere all the time. Often, they will introduce you to someone you already know. In a huge city with millions of people, the chances of having two acquaintances are millions to one. One example is when you can't get help because they all tell each other not to. My cat died because all the vets told them not to help. This is a global problem.

  • @laurajurkowski
    @laurajurkowski 2 года назад +2

    Since February 2021. I need to do something about this

  • @kimberlydahl2351
    @kimberlydahl2351 4 года назад +7

    My neighbors

  • @Jeanninecomeau
    @Jeanninecomeau 2 года назад +1

    I think I got rid of mine after 3.5 years. I grey rocked. I was completely boring and blocked him. After about 4 months, he really wasn't interested anymore and was quite mad at me for not taking to him. He's a strange one. We actually met and had interest in each other, but he chose to stalk me instead of ask me out for a date. So, for a.long time I thought he was just shy. Now that it's over, I realize that he just wanted to torment me, copy my social media posts etc. What a waste of time these people are and of course I also was afraid. I have cameras everywhere now

  • @ambercooper4293
    @ambercooper4293 3 года назад +2

    I know who my stalker is but I cannot prove it right now!!!! He is a low key hacking my router and looking at my internet search history and using it to stalk me!!! He even uses weak men who are in living in my community to gang stalk me because he cannot step to me like a real man!!!! Well he better know the day of the Geechie is here!!!!! And his weak a$$ is about to go down !!!😂😂😂😂

  • @paulrixson5828
    @paulrixson5828 3 года назад +2

    Best of luck if your in the U.K.

  • @natashabeaconsfield6753
    @natashabeaconsfield6753 3 года назад +2

    With cyber stalkers who hack your phone, thank god for backup phones. That’s all I gotta say about that

  • @familyloyalty43
    @familyloyalty43 3 года назад +2

    Whoever you are that sends these threats of stalking, "coming to get me" on July 1st 2021 and violent death threat videos, I'm not going to remain quiet and I have reported you.

  • @johnnytumaki9898
    @johnnytumaki9898 3 года назад +2

    Can a stalker put a mark on you and snatch your body up and communicate with you telepathically? My stalker tries to stop my pacer

    • @HuestisHQ
      @HuestisHQ 2 года назад +1

      Look up targeted individual

  • @avonleamontague2469
    @avonleamontague2469 2 года назад +2

    The chances for this are relatively rare I imagine but if a victim keeps a record, how would law enforcement vet the information to rule out the "victim" framing and setting someone up to be charged?

  • @eleanorweiss4217
    @eleanorweiss4217 Год назад

    Bureau of Justice report January 2009, NCJ 224527, Appendix 3, shows that one stalking case in eight reports 3 or more stalkers. One in eight is a LOT!

  • @johnnytumaki9898
    @johnnytumaki9898 3 года назад +1

    My stalker knew my bank account passwords and ended up changing it ..I've changed my password and reported it to the police..since then it hasn't been changed ...them knowing that I've reported it knowing that police would have known how to track where my details have been changed

  • @lilithdupree8934
    @lilithdupree8934 3 года назад +3

    Funny... I have a stalking situation.. this is a new email... On a new phone and new number... I had already subscribed to his channel and put this same video in a private playlist.... Looks like the drug ring at emery lane in Intervale NH is at it again...

  • @LeeCarlson-oh9cl
    @LeeCarlson-oh9cl Год назад

    Oh but there is- it's called a nine millimeter. My days of being stalked are over- Today . And I'm going to live my life to the fullest for what time we have left. And those who don't have a life and have to live through another's, need not come knocking here, no more. Because I'll be more than happy to send them on into their new life, preferably Hell- law or no law. A live dog is better than a dead lion.. And Thank you and Have a nice day-

  • @kimberlydahl6897
    @kimberlydahl6897 4 года назад +2

    My manager Ronda knows all about it

  • @taraarrington2285
    @taraarrington2285 Год назад

    If anything else bad happens to me I would like it noted that I hold my parents responsible

  • @lizzyamoreux587
    @lizzyamoreux587 3 года назад +1

    What if they stop when we report and come back later?

    • @allycatt6243
      @allycatt6243 3 года назад +3

      I have one like that. It's like an endless cycle.

  • @taraarrington2285
    @taraarrington2285 Год назад +2

    I think they're perverts and psychopaths

  • @michaelvarn34
    @michaelvarn34 Год назад

    Are you aware of any stalking cases proven in court that the person being stalked was stalked by two or more people in some kind of coordinated effort?
    There is alot of information online about this that refers to it as gangstalking or organized community harassment.

    • @eleanorweiss4217
      @eleanorweiss4217 Год назад

      Bureau of Justice Statistics report January 2009, NCJ 224527, in Appendix 3, reports that one in eight stalking cases involve 3 or more stalkers. One in eight is a LOT!

  • @Jeanninecomeau
    @Jeanninecomeau 2 года назад

    I wish the interviewer would have asked more in-depth questions. Seems like as soon as it was going good, he didn't ask a follow up.

  • @lizzyamoreux587
    @lizzyamoreux587 3 года назад +1

    How could could one get help? You said orange county?

  • @radfish2960
    @radfish2960 4 года назад +1

    Me almost 20

  • @louisebarker7185
    @louisebarker7185 4 года назад +1

    I am English. Not American.

  • @comeawaywithme
    @comeawaywithme 2 года назад

    Kind of disgusting he'll be out in 8 years. Hopefully he doesn't survive that long.

  • @victoriamondello6385
    @victoriamondello6385 3 года назад

    Porque el Dr. Carlos habla como un pistolero del oeste?!!! Tienes suficiente buena pronunciacion en ingles, no necesitas exagerar. Saludos!

  • @kimberlydahl2351
    @kimberlydahl2351 3 года назад +1

    My neighbors are stalking me right now in my bathroom bedroom kitchen 18701 flying tiger drive apartment 332 334

  • @natashabeaconsfield6753
    @natashabeaconsfield6753 3 года назад +2

    Yeah but people who hack your phone akd want to stalk and know every move you make? It’s kinda flattering. If they aren’t gonna hurt you or kill you, then who cares if they are following ya. It’s a compliment in a way. Must be that great that they can’t let us go

    • @HighSpeedNoDrag
      @HighSpeedNoDrag 2 года назад +9

      Never ever Underestimate them as their goal is to Destroy the Target. It's not flattering whatsoever and can be deadly.

  • @lilithdupree8934
    @lilithdupree8934 3 года назад +1

    Funny... I have a stalking situation.. this is a new email... On a new phone and new number... I had already subscribed to his channel and out this same video in a private playlist.... Looks like the drug ring at emery lane in Intervale NH is at it again...