I know ANACS isn't recognized like NGC or PCGS, but one thing I like about their grading model is if it's a problem coin they still add a numeric grade of what it would be if the issue didn't exist. Thanks for another video.
Glad to see the upgrade on a couple of the V nickels. Sorry about the 1906, and I completely agree that calling that cleaned for some hairline scratches seems at best misguided. The1885 o being a two point jump is great, it's a nice coin. The 1890 o is a great upgrade, glad you got that. Thanks for sharing those with us!
Congratulations on the several upgrades. Condolences on the 1906 coming back as cleaned. My wife said that you are going to have trouble when you turn 65 and they start doing the Alzheimer's tests and they ask you to draw a clock face with a certain time on it. :)
The plan was going perfect for the grading companies until the collectors became more knowledgeable then the Grading companies. Biggest success's I have seen in a crack out video. Grats. Feels like NGC is getting more strict to be like PCGS and PCGS is relaxing to be more like NGC. If only they could meet more in the middle. Great Video Ben.
Outstanding camera work Ben. First, agree on the V nickels. Well deserved upgrades. Somewhat disturbing that NGC missed the Morgan's full grade and especially the PL, which was so obvious. What the heck is going on in Sarasota?!! Anyway, if you watch the PCGS grading series on RUclips you'll often hear the word "eye appeal" as the big swing vote, while NGC tends to focus on surface preservation. At the same time I've noticed PCGS is very hesitant to go higher than 6 in gold or 7 on Morgans and other silver coins. Look forward to seeing you next time I swing by Tucson... love your vids!
This shows why Pcgs is the king of the grading companies. I agreed with every single one of those grades and that’s rare Clearly Pcgs took their time on every one of these coins and it shows by the grades Well done Ben !
Wow, pretty great haul of upgrades overall! Too bad about the one that came back cleaned and the steel penny that didn't upgrade, but you did good in general.
Well, gonna have to pause my IHC set and try to get that 1908. Gorgeous coin! I'll justify it as a type set coin. Who needs collecting discipline anyway?
"Seeking justice" myself once with NGC, I actually got to speak with one of the graders. In short, his defense was "well... that's what they normally get!". Couldn't believe I heard that from an alleged professional.
Good stuff Ben, and I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! These "Top-Knotch" grading companies should at the very least give a short description of the grades they give somewhere on the invoice or something right?!? Although I think it should be included anyways considering the money we pay them to grade our coins - but even if they charged like 2-3 bucks additionally for some sort of description like that - I think most ppl if not all who submit coins would pay a little extra to know what the hell the grader is thinking especially when a coin comes back as details, QC, etc. Just a thought!
A strong strike is required to 65 a nickel. Contact marks are less important since nickels are less prone due to the harder metal. Notice the difference in strike between the 63 and 64?
Wow, your horses really came in! Caught the graders on a good day or what? The Cleaned one is unfortunate, but I can at least see what they're talking about.
Coin Geek, in your opinion is one company (between ngc and pcgs) more strict in grading than the other on average? Are there generalizations about ngc and pcgs that you believe are true?
I am surprised you got the coins back from PCGS in holders that are actually not scratched up, scuffed up or otherwise damaged. I got a number of PCGS coins that I would like to send to them for a reholder but considering that for a while their "new" holders were far less than pristine- I instead submitted to NGC for crossovers and I know that at least from NGC their holders won't be sent back to me with problems on them
I don't know how the grading companies are able to call their graders "experts." Not only is grading not a science but it is highly arbitrary and sometimes even wrong.
I normally don't even sell raw coins on eBay. If I do and I put what range I think the coin may be in, I make sure to state that it is based off of my own personal opinion and that I am not a professional grader and individuals should look at the coins and decide for themselves before buying.
Being an expert doesn't mean you're always right, though. You can be very well-educated on a topic and still miss the mark sometimes. That happens with graders.
Hi, Ben. Finally a little bit of love from PCGS. IDK about the cleaning on the 06. I agree with the grades now on the first two coins. The 43S cent is a push. The 85O Morgan was a bit of luck. I think it is a 64. Look at the smashed earlobe along with the obvious marks. The 90O Morgan got a fair grade. Overall, you got decent results. NGC hates you. PCGS thinks you are a dog and threw you a bone. *:-)* Bow-Wow. *TYU*
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Why grading companies don’t state the numeric grade plus details if any. Just by stating “ unc and details “ A dealer would pay it as a ms60. Regardless if the coin shows a probably condition of 65.
Ben i think the 1908 and the 1904 V nickels should have both graded M.S. - 64 . The 1906 is not cleaned and should have graded M.S. - 63 . The 1943 - S Steel wheat cent is one of the nicer ones i have seen graded M.S. - 66 it could have been graded M.S. - 67 and 99% of people would agree with M.S. - 67 grade . The 1885 - O Morgan Dollar i agree with the M.S. - 65 grade . The 1890 - O Morgan was graded right this time at M.S. - 63 Proof Like , like it should have got the first time you sent it in . I don't know what was wrong with N.G.C. getting the grades wrong on all of those coins but P.C.G.S. definitely got the 1906 V Nickel wrong by calling a M.S. - 63 cleaned when it is very obvious it was not cleaned . The grading companies have to get way more consistent on their grading . Thank you Ben for sharing these very nice problem free coins cause the only problem is the grading companies inconsistentcy .
Soooo all your coins were victims of the 4:00 Friday afternoon happy hour at O'Leary's Tiki Bar in Sarasota. Probably every coin graded around the same time got a 62 or a 63.
I'd be freaking pissed when i get that 1885-o Morgan back thats a clear 65 possibly even a 65+ with the right grader and has good obv. eye appeal, just to get a ms63😠
With all due respect, that 1906 nickel has been "cleaned" and it has nothing to do with the scratches around the neck or between 3 and 6 o clock. I saw/recognized that it had been cleaned immediately when you put the loupe to it. It's evident all over the entire obverse. DM me if you want to understand what I'm seeing. I think once I point it out you would see it immediately. Keep crushing the content...👊 - Chris
Coin grading is nothing but a gigantic rip off. They are making more out of you than you are out of them. The more coins you send in, the more obvious the grades should be to the owner of the coins. In your case, there is no pattern, no rhyme or reason, the opinions change with the wind. The fact that the two major companies are so far apart is a disgrace. If the grades are coming down to subjective opinions based on eye appeal, it just proves the whole system is a giant rip off. That Coinhelpyou guy is trying to get some photo based grading system up and running, surely a computer program can put an end to the rip off by grading companies who rely on unknown men in white coats.
Grading is a pseudo science Ben. Stop giving the grading companies all your money because it's a waste of your time and especially your money. Will you listen to my advice? Probably not, but I just thought you should know.
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Nice jump on that Morgan!
I know ANACS isn't recognized like NGC or PCGS, but one thing I like about their grading model is if it's a problem coin they still add a numeric grade of what it would be if the issue didn't exist.
Thanks for another video.
I agree.
Agree with that sentiment
Glad to see the upgrade on a couple of the V nickels. Sorry about the 1906, and I completely agree that calling that cleaned for some hairline scratches seems at best misguided. The1885 o being a two point jump is great, it's a nice coin. The 1890 o is a great upgrade, glad you got that. Thanks for sharing those with us!
Congratulations on the several upgrades. Condolences on the 1906 coming back as cleaned. My wife said that you are going to have trouble when you turn 65 and they start doing the Alzheimer's tests and they ask you to draw a clock face with a certain time on it. :)
Lolololol
Isn’t that always the way???
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Great call, Ben! It is dfficult to call people who miss grades by two experts. Thanks for exposing the frauds who are "EXPERTS."
The "experts" are just humans with an opinion. I mean, consistency would be nice but it's an art not a science. There literally is no right or wrong
The plan was going perfect for the grading companies until the collectors became more knowledgeable then the Grading companies. Biggest success's I have seen in a crack out video. Grats. Feels like NGC is getting more strict to be like PCGS and PCGS is relaxing to be more like NGC. If only they could meet more in the middle. Great Video Ben.
No, that was just plain bad grading by NGC. Just Wow! Really.
Huh?
Great results, Ben. I know a lot of people on the forums who feel NGC is more generous with grading than PCGS but these results show otherwise.
That was fun Ben. Your videos are like grabbing a stool and sitting down, hanging out, and shooting the sheet and learning from a pro!
I love V Nickel working on a set. Great video. Take care.
Congrats on the upgrades. Net to see.
Awesome video, the 1886-o Morgan is my next target in MS because of the price jump..
High on my list too
Outstanding camera work Ben. First, agree on the V nickels. Well deserved upgrades. Somewhat disturbing that NGC missed the Morgan's full grade and especially the PL, which was so obvious. What the heck is going on in Sarasota?!! Anyway, if you watch the PCGS grading series on RUclips you'll often hear the word "eye appeal" as the big swing vote, while NGC tends to focus on surface preservation. At the same time I've noticed PCGS is very hesitant to go higher than 6 in gold or 7 on Morgans and other silver coins. Look forward to seeing you next time I swing by Tucson... love your vids!
This shows why Pcgs is the king of the grading companies. I agreed with every single one of those grades and that’s rare
Clearly Pcgs took their time on every one of these coins and it shows by the grades
Well done Ben !
"I agreed with their grades, therefore this video shows PCGS is the king of grading."
That.. is not how this works.
Wow, pretty great haul of upgrades overall! Too bad about the one that came back cleaned and the steel penny that didn't upgrade, but you did good in general.
Good for you!!!
Very interesting video with mostly great results. Thanks!
Wow congrats on the results!
Well, gonna have to pause my IHC set and try to get that 1908. Gorgeous coin! I'll justify it as a type set coin. Who needs collecting discipline anyway?
Agreed
Congrats on the 2 grade jump on the 64!
Very nice coins thx for sharing great video
The coin population must be way higher than they say, with people resubmitting coins.
Absolutely!
Maybe the legendary but never-spoken-of "sniffer" at PCGS detected something on the 1906 that made them mark it cleaned
Those morgans are really great good to know you had good results ben.
Congratulations -- you did well this time.
I’m happy to see it mostly went in your favor this time
"Seeking justice" myself once with NGC, I actually got to speak with one of the graders. In short, his defense was "well... that's what they normally get!". Couldn't believe I heard that from an alleged professional.
You gotta start a running tally of win-loss-draw for the crackout series
I’m a little afraid of what I’ll find!
They say you can’t win ‘em all, but there was a lot of winning in this crackout challenge. Glad to see most of them go your way for a change.
Nice results overall Ben.
Looks like PCGS got it right on all of them IMO. Great results!
A 63 on that 85-O is a Monday morning grade. What were they looking at? Lol
Good stuff Ben, and I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! These "Top-Knotch" grading companies should at the very least give a short description of the grades they give somewhere on the invoice or something right?!? Although I think it should be included anyways considering the money we pay them to grade our coins - but even if they charged like 2-3 bucks additionally for some sort of description like that - I think most ppl if not all who submit coins would pay a little extra to know what the hell the grader is thinking especially when a coin comes back as details, QC, etc. Just a thought!
This is so interesting. I bought a 1937 £5 PCGS PR62Cam and broke out and submitted to NGC and it came back as Altered surface not gradable.
A strong strike is required to 65 a nickel. Contact marks are less important since nickels are less prone due to the harder metal. Notice the difference in strike between the 63 and 64?
Wow, your horses really came in! Caught the graders on a good day or what? The Cleaned one is unfortunate, but I can at least see what they're talking about.
I feel you but how far must it go or how far can you go before “hairlines” become “cleaned” and who decides?
Coin Geek, in your opinion is one company (between ngc and pcgs) more strict in grading than the other on average? Are there generalizations about ngc and pcgs that you believe are true?
Is the 1904 scratched?
I am surprised you got the coins back from PCGS in holders that are actually not scratched up, scuffed up or otherwise damaged. I got a number of PCGS coins that I would like to send to them for a reholder but considering that for a while their "new" holders were far less than pristine- I instead submitted to NGC for crossovers and I know that at least from NGC their holders won't be sent back to me with problems on them
I have a 1902 S Morgan with awesome planchet lines on it. Throughout the entire obverse. In the fields not on the devices. Raw its a solid 63.
I CANNOT find decent barber nickels, at least not near my area, and I live near 4 great coin shops
I don't know how the grading companies are able to call their graders "experts." Not only is grading not a science but it is highly arbitrary and sometimes even wrong.
I normally don't even sell raw coins on eBay. If I do and I put what range I think the coin may be in, I make sure to state that it is based off of my own personal opinion and that I am not a professional grader and individuals should look at the coins and decide for themselves before buying.
Being an expert doesn't mean you're always right, though. You can be very well-educated on a topic and still miss the mark sometimes. That happens with graders.
Hi, Ben. Finally a little bit of love from PCGS. IDK about the cleaning on the 06. I agree with the grades now on the first two coins. The 43S cent is a push. The 85O Morgan was a bit of luck. I think it is a 64. Look at the smashed earlobe along with the obvious marks. The 90O Morgan got a fair grade. Overall, you got decent results. NGC hates you. PCGS thinks you are a dog and threw you a bone. *:-)* Bow-Wow. *TYU*
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This is why i haven't sent my coins out to get graded .
Unfortunately, grading is as inconsistent now as I've seen it in my 10 years being full time in the biz
graders should publish their criteria for cleaned like they do grading guides
Why grading companies don’t state the numeric grade plus details if any. Just by stating “ unc and details “ A dealer would pay it as a ms60. Regardless if the coin shows a probably condition of 65.
Agreed, they should have a grading summary for every coin they grade on there site when you scan the code to read.
Love OPC Love the video
Overall…a victory.
neat.
Ben i think the 1908 and the 1904 V nickels should have both graded M.S. - 64 . The 1906 is not cleaned and should have graded M.S. - 63 . The 1943 - S Steel wheat cent is one of the nicer ones i have seen graded M.S. - 66 it could have been graded M.S. - 67 and 99% of people would agree with M.S. - 67 grade . The 1885 - O Morgan Dollar i agree with the M.S. - 65 grade . The 1890 - O Morgan was graded right this time at M.S. - 63 Proof Like , like it should have got the first time you sent it in . I don't know what was wrong with N.G.C. getting the grades wrong on all of those coins but P.C.G.S. definitely got the 1906 V Nickel wrong by calling a M.S. - 63 cleaned when it is very obvious it was not cleaned . The grading companies have to get way more consistent on their grading . Thank you Ben for sharing these very nice problem free coins cause the only problem is the grading companies inconsistentcy .
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Soooo all your coins were victims of the 4:00 Friday afternoon happy hour at O'Leary's Tiki Bar in Sarasota. Probably every coin graded around the same time got a 62 or a 63.
I always thought the design of the V nickel is unappealing.
Speaking of spots, what the heck is that on your finger? Haha.
Im not a morgan fan, but that one is better than a 63!!!
is this coin hunting or just Grade hunting, I do not look at them the same :)
Ben Ben Ben.When coins have hairlines and receive a straight grade they are 'HOME FREE" Leave them in the holder dude.
That 1906 is frustrating. Those aren't Clean marks.
That 1906 is my favorite definitely
That 43s zinc cent wont ever upgrade, the jawline and cheek are going to stop at every time for upgrading
I'd be freaking pissed when i get that 1885-o Morgan back thats a clear 65 possibly even a 65+ with the right grader and has good obv. eye appeal, just to get a ms63😠
Id say this sub is a definite win
PCs must use 30 power loupe to grade.
With all due respect, that 1906 nickel has been "cleaned" and it has nothing to do with the scratches around the neck or between 3 and 6 o clock.
I saw/recognized that it had been cleaned immediately when you put the loupe to it. It's evident all over the entire obverse. DM me if you want to understand what I'm seeing. I think once I point it out you would see it immediately. Keep crushing the content...👊
- Chris
What is it about that nickel that makes you believe it has been cleaned Chris?
You need CAC to certify your Dimple
What...the...heck... this is ridiculous! I've lost hope in TPG.
Somebody at NGC needs to be drug tested
Coin grading is nothing but a gigantic rip off. They are making more out of you than you are out of them. The more coins you send in, the more obvious the grades should be to the owner of the coins.
In your case, there is no pattern, no rhyme or reason, the opinions change with the wind.
The fact that the two major companies are so far apart is a disgrace.
If the grades are coming down to subjective opinions based on eye appeal, it just proves the whole system is a giant rip off.
That Coinhelpyou guy is trying to get some photo based grading system up and running, surely a computer program can put an end to the rip off by grading companies who rely on unknown men in white coats.
Shame on ANACS, making those grading mistakes,......oh wait
Grading is a pseudo science Ben. Stop giving the grading companies all your money because it's a waste of your time and especially your money. Will you listen to my advice? Probably not, but I just thought you should know.
Coin grading in general is a scam