Why Your Mixes Sound Thin (and What to Do About It) | musicianonamission.com [EQ Challenge]
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This isn't technically an EQ problem...
In fact, thin mixes usually come from a poor arrangement.
But sometimes they can come from a poor use of EQ, too.
When you prevent and address thinness in your track, you can produce a mix that's more powerful and impactful.
You never want an important chorus to sound thin - the music will lose its impact.
In part 4 of the One Month EQ Challenge, I'm going to explain why your mixes sound thin.
I'm going to reveal the common EQ mistake that people make that can lead to thin mixes. You see, a lot of people have been lying to you...
Then I'm going to tell you, step-by-step, how to fix a thin mix in any genre. 
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That moment when his 'thin' track still sounds 10000 times better on your phone than your own mix on your monitors.
hahaha i feel you dude
Ya, it's brutal buddy
I didn't choose THIN MIXES,
THIN MIXES chose me.
😂😂😂
:D
Its like when you have the same set up as them and theirs still sounds better 👀
i am king of thin mixes
bro. what’d you just say to me?
Damn I can’t make a thin mix to save my life, I am the king of dull mixes. I’m watching this video to see how to make a thinner brighter mix. We should combine forces.
@@freedomshapes i love that attitude. that's an instant subscribe for me
Lol
Hahahha me too🤣
I Always thought my music sounds different than the professional music. I couldn’t point my finger at it. It was THIN, the word was THIN. Thank you ! 🙏
I was wondering why old rap music sounded better then alot of the new stuff it's not just the lyrics some new rappers have quality lyrics but they still don't bang like the old stuff. It's the production and specifically alot of it sounds thin
Adding: PUtting a Sinesub to get your kick punchier whould not depend on hz but on the key the song is in. But not neccesarily the root note. For instance, if I have a track in C Major, i would never put my sinesub support for the kick as a C note. And that's because the C note hz wise, doesn't have great sub frequencies. Therefore i would pick the 5th of the C major scale, which is G. As some of you know G is the king of sub notes. Just think it's pretty important for people to know, if they didn't already.
Thanks for the tip, Michael.
Thanks!
G is the king of sub notes and you are the king of tips :B
Michael Larsen 2 years later but still appreciated!
Golden tip my boy
Well, just found out my problem was the high pass filters.
zerny bro seriously right I feel so dumb
What do you mean?
dude im stuck like chuck. no matter what i do i cannot produce a mix worthy or even close to what Spotify or radio sounds like. my issue is even taking your advice i notice that in my car/stuidio monitors when listening to Spotify or i tunes etc there is a certain sound that everyone else is producing. I can only mimic 50/50. when listening to both mix and reference track there is obviously a difference. but the difference is crazy. like Spotify mix itunes etc i notice there are hardly any lows and clear but with a sheen on happiness. when i go it sounds too clear with lows without the sheen of happiness.
I saw a lot of your videos and still but i feel like you need to make 1 video from scratch using crap sounds and and turning that into a master piece. i mean from scratch. using basic stock plugins. a simple beat drums and melodies cause dude my brain is fried
thanks for all your tips they are extremely helpful and I know the problem is 50/me and 50/me
Bump this to the top.
The fact that you're aware of this means you are on your way to the next level....Keep grinding bro! 😎
My mixes improved significantly when I started using better sounds. I realized what everybody says is true. No matter what you do. You can't get a great track with bad sounds. So it's probably not you mixing skills that are lacking. It's you production mindset. Produce, compose, record with end result in mind and you will find yourself 10 steps ahead of your earlier productions. Greetz
@@jellewierda3828 I appreciate your comment and I feel like that may be a crucial issue for me. If you read this, I'd love to know what VST instruments you would recommend to start for good basic bass, strings, keybords etc? I'm coming from my old Korg keyboards and whatever vsts come with my DAW but I dont think theyre cutting it anymore and I need to invest in new sound libraries.
@@nathanstann hi Nathan. A few years ago I bought Native Instruments Komplete Ultimate. It's a sound library with tons of plugins, Synths, strings... You name it. It's in there. I also bought the Izotope Tonal bundle for mixing. But listen I do think you should get an understanding for great sound. Try to remake tracks from others and see where you can improve. A lot of these mixing courses want you to believe it's in the mixing. But for me that is not true. It starts with the production process. Listen to the genre you want to make. Listen to what drum sounds that are being used. Bass, vocals, strings what ever. Try to understand what is going on. Yes there are a lot of techniques you only can here when you know them. Any questions? I would like to help you out. Currently working on a Drum and bass track. Not my style but if listen drum and bass for over 12 hours the other day. Now I get a sense of how this genre works... And than make it your own. Because I do think that is the most important part. Be your own. Goodluck
great advice thank you!
This is one few very good and useful channel for beginners.. thank you and keep it up..
Thanks for your help! Your videos realy help a lot
very good breakdown my man!
Thanks, man. Great video.
Great video - thankyou so much!
Yo bro your videos are really good. Keep up the good work
Thank you so much!
This is very useful, thanks
So helpful man... Thank you
thank you so much!!! very helpful
Brilliant!
Another Great video! Love your Style.
Thanks! Glad we could help.
Thank you teacher :D I needed knowledge about problem known as "thin mix" and I got answers I sought for.
I will tend to implement it into my mixing technique and hopefully get better day by day xD
Thank You So Much!!!!
Great series of Videos! Thank you! For me though My Mixes Always are thin in another way. They usually lack brightness and boosting there Just doesnt feel right... Saturation gets me to a conservative Level Sometimes but i never reach the brightness and Separation of my references. May you please have a Suggestion Out of your experience what I could possibly do to solve this issue?
THANK YOU 💚
Thanks for these tips
Great Video, this is good advice.
Just excellent
Thanks!
very helpful. thanks brother. do you have a tutorial about mic bleeding?
thank you man you deserve more than like
nice info ty
I used to make music and this was always my problem. I could come up with a decent enough tune, but I never reached a level where it would sound good. I would EQ and compress everything but no matter what I did or how many additional sounds I added, it always sounded thin. In the end, I just recorded stems and gave those to a proper sound engineer at the label and he'd do it for me.
Same, happens to me a lot, even if I use a bunch of sounds/instruments/effects
Thank you so much. I use a lot high-pass filter, I need to fix that.
When I have my earphone in it sounds good , but when I take it out my beats sound fuzzy can some1 help pls
thanks, quiet cool!
i wish high school had classes like this
very helpful
Niiice men tnk y🙏🙏❤❤
Thanx!
We need one month compression challenge...
We'll keep this in mind!
Yes, yes, yes, yesssss ... not sure if you're still watching this comments because it's a rather old video. But I had EXACTLY this problem: My mix lacks of warmth and it sounds »thin«. I had eliminated nearly all frequencies below 50 Hz in the instrument tracks except the base drum. Now I just put in just a tiny bit of low frequency in the other tracks ... and BAM ... warmth is back. Totally logical if you think about it. But if you're a newcomer and everyone tells you »gid rid of the low end to define the kick« ... well ... this happens. Thank you so much for the tip! :)
Glad I could help. :)
can you post the link that song?
Thanks
What sound is a sub sinth?
I am looking for the ad plz
thanks
Cool, this video took me a step further. Found that the mic I use has a 'build in' high frequency boost. Boosting the high frequency a of my voice in the mix is completely unnecessary then :p. If anything I could try to tone these frequencies down a bit :).
5:21 could you show us how to do that in more detail?
I find that the vocals are thin. is it the a problem?
very good video
Thanks!
I find myself sometimes cutting too much bottom end of particular lead sounds and drums.
You try to be on safe side but you remove some of frequencies which make sound having the body.
Also I did make kick to have to short release and sustain.I had snappy kick but no bottom end.You learn from mistakes.Compression and too short sustain on bass notes also impack low end and mix to be thin.
I honestly Feel like since I’ve been Producing in Reason my Beats sound Thin. I will try these tricks or just mix in Protools.
great mix! what's the name of the song?
i want a video on octaves and selecting the right octaves when putting the instruments together so you get a full nice song
Usually you would know when an instrument has the correct octaves. It’s all down to you liking how it sounds.
If you mixes are too thin then remix. Your advice is good - stop high passing everything.
my problem is for some reason i have developed a bad habit of making wide mixes so on a smartphone my sounds sound terrible.. ig reference tracks fix such problems
I would like to know the role of subbass in a mix. I have noticed whenever I filterout some of the frequencies below 30hz, the bass, Kick, and snares sounds quite good...keeping frequencies below 30 hz kindda dulls the sound of these Instruments. Is it just my perception? please help me out with this. I'm mainly a vocalist, don't have much exp in playing instruments, so I use samples in my DAW and program the instrumental melodies.
reference good sounding tracks. use LPF and HPF on the track to listen to each frequency range.
compare it to your track, that way you have a good base for what sounds good, you will get a better understanding by using reference tracks
using a spectrum anyliser on the master track, and use that along with your reference track and you can see if your frequency distrubution is similar
BazSound Thanks a lot for that tip. Will definitely do it. It's a really very practical idea. I very much appreciate that you took time to answer. :)
Take a drink first!
What is the name of that song, bro?!
I have a song i want mixed. sent it to a mix engineer and he wants me to change instrument selection which i don't because even though i used a lot of Purity and Xpand2 sounds, i like the textures because i am gauging for late 90s - early 2000s RnB. Can I send you the song to do a mix for me?
I mix my music on monitors and than it sounds fine but if i play my music out of my laptop speakers it sounds thin and not really that great. I am just wondering if this has to do with my track and how it is been mixed and mastered. Or that the speakers in my laptop aren’t
that great
Hey there! It could be a variety of things. Your room may be causing you to hear more bass than there actually is, so you end up removing low end when you shouldn't. Our recommendation is to use reference tracks to see what professionally mixed tracks sound like on your setup. That will reveal a lot about what is going on. In addition to that, you may consider adding some treatment or rearranging your mix set up for the best results. Check these videos out!
ruclips.net/video/RwWJbb23aaw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Y6Q6lE1BQEY/видео.html
Musician on a Mission thanks a lot for your response this is massively helpful.
That are fucken laptop speakers!
Im thick. Its all Eq'd but not sounds very thin. I want it to sound space out. Everything is very centered. I want the sounds to surround like 180. Yunno like coming from left and right headphones. Do i copy the instruments and pan one to left and right?
That is hard to get the hang of quickly. Some quick tips. Yes, a left and right track can help, or one thing left, and another thing right. But if everything is L and R, nothing feels wide. If one thing is wide, and nothing else is, it may seem wider.
heard one of my songs is a big club for the first time and i think it sounded thin because i did too much HPF
Download link to the song you are using please , shuuu
I'm having the exact opposite problem, when making hip hop beats I usually have a fat low end, at high volumes it sounds great, but when at low to mid volumes it sounds a bit flat or dull. simply bumping down the lows or bumping up the mid - high's on a master doesn't really fix the problem it just makes everything more flat. any tips?
SheaLatif you probably have too much low end energy in the mix. You could try hi passing.
if you need it loud for it to soubd good, its not good.We tend to like louder stuff. As a rule of thumb, dont turn the volume of the other instruments up, turn the loud ones down.
I like my mixes like I like my girls
What if you mixing a bassy voice more than yours .....Most of my vocals sounds heavy ....Like 90Hz to 200 Hz so when u take that it thins out So how do you go about that ...People are always talking about voice in general and most females where there is no low end So can you get a a very very bassy vocal and mix ......Kindly please .....Want to see how you would go about that ...
Reverb and delay can be a great addition to fill up more frequencies from vocals in a mix.
there is humming on the kick
I came here to find out how to make my mix sound thin, it’s a vibe I have in my head, idk
Why would you want your mix to sound thin?
how do you do that where you take all the entire bottom end like that on the EQ? where its all grey
First off, pick sounds that seem to go hand-in-hand with each other. Like, the kick and bass shouldnt fight each other when recording.
I guess its a linear process. You start recording drums, then add instruments one by one, lastly the vocals.
So you clearly hear how it sounds and if it doesnt sound good then dont use it.
If the recording process works good then mixing will be a lot easier and faster. So focus more on the recording!
Do you have a sub triggerd by your voice?
Casper Bjerkehagen lmao
Ok, learned something never judge an engineer by his cover...
Some of the best electronic music doesn’t even have a sub bass allot of that sub bass is added because most tracks are so boring arrangement wise they add the big sub just to make it interesting
pause @ .02
Pulled off a couple of high passes and my mix sounds exponentially fatter... That should have been more obvious than it is lol
And those assholes keep teachin us to hi pass everything 🤣
The simple answer is...Saturation.
But not on everything.. on drums, bass and some dynamic instruments it's great.. otherwise it's easily overdone.
Advising people to hi pass is not bad advice! Sorry but I'll take Warren Huarts advice over this guy any day!
You may have misunderstood! He mentions how you can be over aggressive on that filter and it can sterilize the mix.
How can this video be applied for hip-hop/trap in the digital world? because it's kinda hard to apply and understand these tips, in the digital world? Especially low end...I'm really struggling on my low end. I'm confused on should i have my levels at 0db or 18, and also HighPass Filter
sometimes i sware some of this people that get on here trying to teach you something JUST WANT TO LET YOU LISTEN TO THERE NEW SONG and show off what they can do and their cool programs... i didnt learn anything from anything he said but i did infact solved my problem by looking at the program itself... what i learn is anything going to the lowend may be better as mono and anything going to the high end would be better as stereo...
Sorry you felt that way, but glad you still learned something!
@d johnson Agreed. But Still Find A Better Way To Put It But Not Shitting On The Man 😀
I Mean, Recording, Mixing, Mastering & All This Audio Stuff Takes Time, It's A Craft You Have To Work Your Way Towards, Mate.
It Doesn't Happen Overnight With Some Overrated/Fancy VST Plugins Or Audio Equipment 🙂
You're Constantly Learning As A Music Producer, Mixing, Mastering Engineer Because Every Song's Different & For That You Need To Learn How To Understand & Tackle That (Which Takes Time Ofcourse) 😀
Otherwise, I Hope You Get Better & Achieve Your Goals, Mate 🙏
Your mix sounds thin because it lacks analog drive and saturation from a console
"Ovver"??? Oh..you mean "other"! LOL
How you gonna make a mixing tutorial but wont back up from the mic when you swallow your spit even once?
dude i've been listening with headphones and it was painfull
samples sound like toy instruments, and the guitar either sounds dirty or just raw as if no care was given(
good content but slow down your delivery, you're swallowing your breaths
Nope. Its the reverb. Liar.
Or just get a better kick sample don't layer sines to a kick drum that's the dumbest advice I've ever heard...
genre dependant man
Its a pretty common thing to do actually. Even by the pro's.