No BS creative career/industry advice and "poverty core" - 2x19
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- How does one become an artist/designer/stylist/etc? Here's some no BS advice on how to do it when you're coming from ACTUAL humble beginnings, while we also complain about people who like to pretend to be poor or self-made.
Lisa Fevral:
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You know, things i struggle the most with are having no creative community or friends in general. Someone who can understand me while being an artist in some kind too, so we can cry in poor together OR give/receive an actual advice
Yeah this is the hardest part honestly. Even in cities that are full of creatives, you have to align a lot to work together well
Not me seeing you drop this after inflating an air mattress at my mom’s tiny apartment because I told the production company I’m contracted with that “I can totally work as a local” because I was desperate to work. This is my first film project in almost a year. If you’re considering a job in the creative field, please don’t forget to consider what 5 other side hustles you can profit from when your creative work doesn’t come through. People way more experienced than me have been out of work way longer.
Yes omg, the film industry is even more unstable now than it used to be
im new to this channel and i love how it looks like ur talking to voice in your head or imaginary friends sitting somewhere next to you
18:00 this is such a good point. people who are getting visibility are not using it properly.
i walk past a gallery on the way to my gym and i see in there this art that looks so inaccessible, and it reminds me of my painting classes (at a public college with 80 yr old professors) and my classmates would try to replicate abstract expressionism without adding anything new. the only reason why abstract expressionism was so popular in the 50s and 60s is because it represented individualism (in the USA). whereas most people cant find a foothold in abstract pieces like this now.
Its like, why add more nonsense to the pile of conceptual art that no one understands? why not make art that is controversial and exciting and actually speaks to the modern condition?
because its easier to just follow a formula if you want to be funded.
i feel like if you cant explain your concept to a random person at a bar without pulling out an art theory textbook you shouldnt be getting funded....
Quote of the Day: I obviously yap online about a lot of things.”
21:41 😌
As a hobbyist i still appriciate the effort and honesty ♡ anywayssss i think i will do some furry art that offers me more future and money rn
That’s the smarter thing to do, and oftentimes more fun ahaha
this is honestly very refreshing
Omg can’t wait to hear more of you guys!!! Ppl around me have called me a creative person bcs i have skills in drawing nothing more so I won’t consider myself a creative. But i certainly would love to I wish there was more room for creative work as you guys have stated difficulties that come with that especially for anyone who isn’t rich. Capitalism really has sucked the life of the arts I myself can’t find time or energy to get into art even though I’d like to like sowing or pottery making and I think many ppl also feel this way crafty and artsy skills aren’t heard of often and again I think it’s due to Capitalism I wish more ppl would get into those skills I think the world would be a much better place if a social circle would have more crafty skilled ppl that genuinely enjoy what they do.
8:16 Bissistant knows the ‘That Girl’ Aesthetic
AN EP A WEEK. yay omg I am so excited. I wrote my final (written) exam for this term. Summer break is about to kill me and my twin is leaving for an internship to Tokyo. I will SO turn u into my parasocial bestie
so interesting and i don't even do art
This was such an informative and entertaining episode. Love it.
I love convos between you guys! Can't wait for more.
Welcome back and hope you’re feeling much better! Also, LOVE THE TITLE for today’s video.
I do, but then I caught a cold😭😭 what is wrong with meeeehhhh😭😭
@@ugh-asif.artpod Get well soon!
It might be just because the country I live in is very small, but going to public openings of exhibitions, or the free events, talks etc that artists that I liked were doing really helped to actually meet those artists and other creatives working on their projects, and in general their creative circle. I would strike up conversation a lot of the time in the smoking area when asking for a lighter, when overhearing an interesting conversation, or just if I had a question about the project. As I would go to different events, sometimes I would see the same people who I briefly talked to before, and that would typically warrant a "hi, how are you? I saw you at ___ event, how was the rest of the night/project etc" and then the conversation would usually lead to talking about what we are both currently working on. Already like that, I have been able to talk about my work with someone who might find interest and would want to work together etc. :))
Where I live, these events are usually posted on Facebook and Instagram. But this probably varies in different places.
I would really like to listen to an extention on this topic in the future especially focused more in the fine arts aspect as i think the path is even more unclear that way, thank you so much for your clever insights as always :)
Great suggestion! will cover more in the future!
I'm currently studying film at uni but god from what I've seen the industry looks like constantly having to deal with unsufferable people like SO tiresome, so I've decided to redirect my studies and become a librarian cause in my country it's a government job
You’re honestly so real for that
@@ugh-asif.artpod hahahaa yeah like whatever project I wanna do I'll just do it in my free time which I know is not a perfect situation either cause it will take a lot more of time and I will never really have a proper budget but at least I won't be putting the responsibility of paying my bills on my art💀
Hey, Lisa. Love your episodes when you talk about privileged artists. I'm currently reading My Year of Rest and Relaxation, and I can't help but be reminded of the type of privileged artist you talked about in your podcast when I read the book. I want to know whether you have read the book or not, and your opinion about the book
I have read My Year of Rest and Relaxation! Gunna force Lisa to read it so we can yap about it
Just finished it yesterday for one of the next pod episodes!
I definitely agree with u about things being gate kept until u find out about them sometime in college it’s typically things like u said that could have helped u a lot earlier. I’m first generation to go to college in my family and after getting my bachelor’s I’m like wow shouldn’t this information be available free to everyone it would make things easier for those who don’t have the $$. I didn’t know a lot of it till I paid to go to college.
All those things would’ve helped so much even in terms of making informed decisions
@@ugh-asif.artpod exactly!
Mind sharing what’s gatekept?
Information like what?
@@Blue_Fire-l9i a lot of general information about wasn’t taught to me till I got to college I went to a title 1 school. Also information specific to any major which would be really important when my deciding what I want to do for the rest of my life (since they make us decide really early what we want to do with our lives) like about what type of jobs that major can get and how to get them isn’t learned till then
when you connect to a model or makeup artist to work on something did you just ask them to work on a random creative project that you were personally working on and then from there later, they were able to connect you to a professional paying job they were working on?
no, usually it takes awhile to build a portfolio and reputation to start booking paid gigs. working for businesses for free is not a good idea, BUT collaborating with other creatives where none of you get paid is normal bc you are all working towards a common goal - making something to show off your skills
Yes! As Lisa said build your portfolio through projects planned out with other local/young creatives where you can benefit from each other’s talents. Naturally, the more you do this the more people and connections you’ll make whilst building your portfolio; which will lead you to paying jobs.
32:36 soooooo true
53:30 I'd very much be interested in hearing more of what you have to say about "gratefulness", the stuff you say here triggered some kind of validating emotional response in me, I feel like "gratefulness can be a dangerous thing" (trying to grossly paraphrase what you're saying into a snappy short sentence) is a hot take a lot of people (including myself) need to hear
26:45 Does Bissistant follow a lot of Dress History RUclipsrs? They’re awesome!
Ahh! I love watching them, I get recommended all the time! What’s your fave channels?! ❤
I feel like I'm experiencing this already before even going to University. I'll have to pay for it myself and I already feel that if only I had money for space, equipment etc, I would be able to move forward. And I feel stuck ://
I've been working as an illustrator for the past 3 years but I still feel weird about calling myself an artist, because I just think it always sounds pretentious.. I feel like if I introduce myself as an artist, people would get the idea that I'm some kind of untouchable outside thinker that expresses themselves through their artwork, meanwhile in reality I'm just pumping out illustrations for clients, following their demands and instructions, because this is the way I can actually live off of it - and even this is such a privileged and lucky place I'm in
You have a very Apollonian approach to art
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I have a question, Lisa, do you have any tip to know when someone is really interested in a collab with you?
I have seen some of my friends thinking that they where gonna get a opportunity or that someone was genuine interested in some collab, but at the end it seem like they where not since the start but they don't wanted to be rude/wanted something for their own profit or even that work was never available or covered even before posting it XD
Do you have any tip for recognizing wich are real and usefull collabs/offerings or it's just a matter of experience? (Note: They are 18/19 and just started work life, i am interested because i am in that path too now)
And i loved that party networking part, it's so common to recieve that advice!!
Loved this episode💖
I think it’s just the nature of working in the arts that projects/collars fall through all the time! I’d say you shouldn’t worry too much if someone actually wants to work with you, just offer and try to make things happen, if they don’t cooperate - don’t waste time. They’ll set something up themselves later if they still want to
@@ugh-asif.artpod i get it, thank you!! I had never tought it that way but it is so usefull!💖
Bonk!
Where's the mermaidtopia reaction? we need it🥲
You’re so right, I gotta finish editing it😭😭😭