£250 Vs £6500 Watch - Affordable or Luxury Watch?
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- Seiko 5 Sports SRPD55K1 Vs Rolex Submariner 124060
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You need both. The Seiko when you walk around in Paris or London, the Rolex when you chill on the sofa and flex on Instagram.
I wore a sea dweller in London for like 5 years, not always possible to stuff under the cuff on the tube...
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@@panorama4526 good for you mate.
I live in Cambridge and work in London a few days a week. I specifically have watches I call "London watches".
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"This F91W is way too fancy for London, please continue to draw some hands on a cardboard circle and glue it to your arm"
No, but seriously, where do you draw the line?
Rolex accuracy is amazing. Every time you glance at it, it reliably tells you how much money you have.
@KGR Even the cheapest G-Shock only lost/gain less than 15 seconds a MONTH.
God tier.
yea zero money cos it's all spent on the watch
Lol
Best comment
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To be honest, I own two Seikos with the 4R35 movement and neither of them ever do much worse than +5-6 seconds a day. Seiko is renowned for rating their watches to the most ridiculously poor accuracy margins, despite the fact that they almost always perform a hell of a lot better than that.
Mine is like 15+/- so yeah but you don't get a automatic for the accuracy or to tale you the time you get it because you like it
Think I have a exceptional one out the box +2 sec a day. I got mine for the style, look, build. Seiko just has that great clarity and sharpness and I love glancing at it. On top of that I do like the fact I can simply hand wind it when I want without having to unscrew the crown. I am also safe walking down the street with no fear of being mugged for my watch.
My SRPD runs at about -9 per day, certainly can’t complain
@@thisoldbelair agree, very good figure. I love the fact we have a beating micro machine on our wrist. I have quartz watches as well if I want to pick up and go and know the time is right. My autos are my weekend thing.
Have your seikos regulated if you feel that they are too fast or slow, it's an easy thing to do for watchmakers with a timegrapher and it makes your watches a lot more accurate than when they were adjusted in the factory.
Not sure where I heard it, but "Anyone who buys a ten thousand dollar watch is either very very good with money, or very bad with it"
Woooow amen!!!!! I love it!
Haha sounds true
Wise words
17-minutes late vs 1-minute late.....either way, you've missed the train.
Haha. Very true.
Waiting to depart for 16 minutes fewer seems more likely
Not if your early
You'll still make the train in the UK, though
@@jonthedoors ....LOL
My 2 cents, based on my experience. I'm a diver and I always wear a dive watch as a backup to my computer. I also use the watch to time the surface intervals between dives. I own both a Rolex Sub and a Seiko Save the Ocean turtle. As a time keeping device the Rolex is obviously the superior piece. But as a diving tool I much prefer the Seiko. The larger diameter makes it easier to read in low light/poor visibility conditions and the taller/grippier bezel is so much easier to operate, especially when using gloves. Love both watches. Great video!
Finally a review from an actual diver, actually learned something, thanks ✌
@@gdesatyavrata 👍
Got to love the Seiko Turtle. I have the olive green dial turtle on a Classic red and green Bond nato, its gorgeous,
We found the only guy who actually uses the watches for diving.
@@overman2306 I use my Citizen Fugu for diving and in should never take my Rolex Submariner to a dive, where I can easily break it or even lose it.
Something to keep in mind: seiko is *extremely* modest with their accuracy ratings. Usually, they maintain the same level of accuracy as the rolex (or in my experience anyway)
You’re a funny guy. I like you.
This is true. I've seen the seiko 5s easily hold on to, give or take, 2 seconds a day
@@leatt6136 I mean, he's not exactly lying. Many a reviewer say their seikos hold a MUCH closer accuracy than their on-paper spec.
@@thegirthquake8574 i’m not laughing about that part, I’m laughing about the fact apparently most of them are at the same level of accuracy as Rolex which is obviously b*llshit.
@@leatt6136 I mean-- Fair enough.
Best ability is availability. I prefer seiko over rolex for that.
Buy a Seiko while you are on a wait list perhaps 🤔
If you would not actually buy a Rolex if it were available, then your comments are pure waffle 🧇
@@panorama4526 I bought 3 Tudors while waiting (played into their hands lol).
Might look at an Omega but do not think it’s my thing.
Neither is a Sub though!
Great assessment of these two iconic watches.
I do agree that, having a watch right now, to wear everyday, is much better than waiting for a watch that you may wear only on a few occasions.
The Seiko 5 to me is the best value IMHO. Thanks for your insight and thanks for sharing.
Its true its like buying expensive shoe and not wearing it or just a chuck taylor that we use a lot everyday👍
“The Rolex is more my style” shock statement from Adrian 😉😂
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Lol if the number of jewels in a movement indicate quality then Vostok is on par with Rolex 😂
31 Jewels! Show me what you got Rolex!!!
@@willayton4950 Hahahaha exactly
Old Wives tales the more jewels the better the movment, that all started in the early 80's for watch companies to try and pretend there watch was better than others. So many early pocket watches only had 6 jewels and are still working today over a 155 years later. Its not amount of jewels it all comes down to workmen ship, material, and engineering.
@@greamepenney5947 Yup, that's my poin aswell. Just iritates me when large watch channels spread these kinds of myths and don't bother to do basic research
@@holokron1337 totally agree. I asked before if Adrian's rolex did not have rolex on it would he still see the watch in the same light. Or is he just taken by the brand name and not so much the real technical side of what the watch is designed for. Also its only a dive watch design its not a dive watch divers wear a dive computer. The year is 2021 not 1950. But its sad when a supposed watch channel says something that shows there ignorance.
Owned a submariner, and to be honest at the time I wasn't a big watch fan I didn't appreciate the watch I had. I think that really says something about the cult of watches . And I think you summed it up when you said don't buy a watch just to impress people. But that's exactly why people will buy a rolex. My opinion on rolex, I didn't think it was that special. Quite a heavy lump of metal on a jangly bracelet. And to think of all the car salesmen that wear them
This is THEE essential watch ownership conversation.
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I have a friend who would spend thousands of pounds on a push bike, which I don't see the point of. Yet he doesn't see the point of me spending thousands on a watch. But isn't that the point, each to their own hobbies & passions? If you like something you like it, if it £50 or £5000!!
That's the trouble, there are so many people that only get themselves.
Exactly. As long as you aren't putting yourself in debt for pursuing your hobbies then go ahead and spend as much money as you have available
@@jollyrob I agree, and I totally get it, just saying there's money & quality in whatever floats people's boats. 👍
Not to mention the resale value of his push bike is not amazing....
I like expensive watches and bikes. Man, I’m in deep hell
Wearing a Rolex is a statement watch for obvious reasons. Your comment regarding "our own Interpretation of value" is spot on. I cannot justify the expense of several thousand dollars for a watch. Can I afford one? Yes. Give me a Tag. Been wearing them for years, even a quartz and I love their divers. I own a few, have never had one fail, and I love the look. Cheers. Jeff/Boston
@Yorkiepoocharlie Yep, they are great watches for their price point
@@mattarmson8324 I agree with this. I own both a Rolex and a Tag and I see nothing wrong with Tag at all.
@Yorkiepoocharlie I have a collection worth around $250K with watches from Lange, Patek, Moser, Panerai, JLC, UN, Omega and Bulgari. What's my favourite daily - TAG Carrera. What's my favourite vintage watch - TAG S/el. Good looking but not too flashy, reliable, accurate, and undoubtedly the best value out of all the watches I own.
@@planetdee3587 I have a TAG as well in my collection and it's one of my favorite watches. It's durable, accurate, and looks good. It has just become "cool" to hate on TAG which is great because those of us that know better can get great deals on them.
I had a Tag I wore everyday for 10 years and then the chronograph just broke. It was a quartz and it wasn’t worth repairing sadly.
My experience with the 4R35/36 movement (I have three) is that they run 7 to 8 seconds per day faster. To me that is more than acceptable for a 300 euro's watch.
Yes, mine too, 10 or 15 per day, Seiko is a very good watchmaker
my two 7s26 movements(snk803 and skx013) run +4-5 seconds per day. My 4r36 bottle cap runs +3-4 seconds per day. Guess I just got lucky. But my alpinist runs around -30 seconds a day but i think its magnetized tbh.
Yes same here. Accuracy really isn't a reason to choose Rolex here...because Seiko does a tremendous job despite the conservative spec!
Pretty low to compare a seiko5 to a Rolex casually though. Obviously the latter is better than an entry-level. With a Prospex it would have been a more fair and interesting comparison.
@Cheesy Helmet even though Rolexes are expensive and sought after by all means, they are not really "for rich people". Obviously certain fanboys will disagree, but collectors with serious cash won't pile up on almost identical Rolexes (GMT Master, Submariner, Yacht Master - yes they all serve different purposes, but it is striking how they are essentially different bezels on the same case), but rather go and get Pateks, APs, VCs, which cost themselves 20x this Rolex.
@@Paulorsadv it should be per month:D i had several seikos - no thank you no more
A Rolex Submariner was my grail watch for many years, with hindsight and having now owned one I think what I really wanted was to be able to afford one. Scratched that itch and now wear a Sinn 556 and enjoy it more.
Absolutely love the Sinn 556! Fantastic just about anything watch. I’ve been meaning to snag one for some time. Just haven’t pulled the trigger yet.
I love when watch experts justify the price of a luxury watch because of the sapphire crystal. My Orient and Phoibus both have sapphire crystal yet cost around $300 combined
Yeah man, you can get a $100 Pagani design watch with a sapphire crystal.
This does beg the question as to why Seiko won't install them in their entry-level pieces.
You can buy a third party sapphire and modify any watch 😂
One you'll miss your train for. One you'll lose your wrist for! 🤦
True.
Here in UK, you'd miss the train and lose your wrist either way :D
You wouldn't buy the Seiko if you wanted to know what time it is. I don't see the point of it. Buy a black Casio Duro instead and pocket the change.
@@greensocks4507 You could make the same argument about the Rolex though. Or just use your phone which is always going to be more accurate.
@@SirLoinOfsteak85 You can hardly make the same argument for the Rolex. At +/- 2s/day, it would take 30 days to get to a minute off. And that's assuming there's zero variance there, and the watch is running at the very edge of its accuracy requirement.
Compare the Orient Kamasu to the Rolex Sub. The Orient has sapphire, screw down crown, 200 meters of water resistant, in house hand wind and hacking movement, all for around £200.
The seiko is not a dive watch - it’s a watch that has a dive watch design - and that’s too bad especially when compared to the previous SKX...
I hope seiko will launch again a run of true affordable divers for 200£ !
Thanks for the vid ! Cheers man
Go with ISLANDER.
@@pedrosaenz2800 Yes - very good alternative ! (I already have an skx013 :)
Let's get real. No one buying a rolex is deep diving with it
@@AcidicDelusion I got my Submariner for surfing. Used it for decades. Nowadays that Sub is totally restored and Casio, Phoibos and Islander are My surfing partners!! No diving... Surfing
Orient is the new Seiko I think. Seiko seems to be trying to go upmarket while Epson seems to be keeping Orient more affordable.
You’re 100% correct on all points and it’s no different to someone buying a top of the range Mobile Phone or a BMW / Mercedes car; when for a lot less money you could buy a cheaper Android Phone or a Kia / Hyundai car. Is the Rolex better than a Seiko ‘YES’ is it worth the extra......? that’s a personal choice, just like when buying anything be that a Phones, a Car or everyday Food.....
Good point, of course its better! But is it 25 times better? I commented above to Adrian that it would have been better if the comparison was with a better model Seiko.. there are models with 200m and screw down crowns and + or - 5 seconds a day for around 500 euros which would have been a more fair comparison. Love the content always though :-)
@@darrenaquilina1403 That's the cost of luxury. Your average Toyota does everything a car needs to do fairly decently, wont cost you much to maintain, will never break down and will retain good value. Yet rich people buy Rolls Royces which lose 30% value the second they're on the road and cost a small fortune to maintain. Why? Luxury.
@@ehariharan9320 Buddy Rolex is not a Luxury watch... very far from that. Its just an overpriced mass produced watch. Rolls Royce is comparable to A Lange & Sohne.. not Rolex. ;-) Rolex is at most a BMW which is mass produced.
@@darrenaquilina1403 You are right and wrong at the same time. Rolex is of course a mass produced watch, if you compare it to other high tier watch brands. But at the same time it is also a luxury product. One fact doesn’t exclude the other. And, if you would need to compare it to a car brand, than it is definitely the Mercedes of the watches.
@@Rabauke2.0 Mercedes and BMW are on the same level so we agree :-)
Great, balanced discussion. I personally prefer the $1000-2000 CAD price range, as I find the balance between cost and finishing is perfect. I wear Damasko, Hamilton, and Christopher Ward, because to me they represent the best value in automatic watches.
agreed... going north of 1k the value proposition begins to dip very quickly
Agreed. I tap out at $2,000. And honestly $1,000 because it just isn’t justified to me. If I really want an iconic dive watch, I’ll get a Tudor Blackbay. Or Seiko 62mas. Those will get watch nerds talking to me instead of people who don’t know watches and only recognize Rolex.
When i bought something, I wish to use it at its full, unfortunately with Rolex you cannot do it. Here where I Iive you need insurance, safe box, leave it on pocket all times until you arrive, don't go to work with, use only very specific places and times. This is not enjoy, it is paranoia.
You don't have to live in a hell hole.
Or be a pu$$y.
The safest place my Rolex can be, is my arm.
Wear the damn thing. Own it. Don't let the fear own you.
@@brandonnickerson8934 here in Brazil wearing a Rolex anywhere could cost your life...
Come to Chicago, South Side.
If wearing a watch can cost you the life, obviously, it's time to start thinking on moving somewhere else
I had a really fun time with a Seiko 5 about a week ago. I bought my friend a LNIB Seiko SRPE61 to replace a watch his previous girlfriend had bought him. He's not necessarily an enthusiast so a Seiko 5 was a great choice. The SRPE61 is the gray dial with light sunburst effect, smooth bezel, and comes on a gray nato. I had it shipped to me before I sent it to him because I wanted to try it on and also put a letter in the box for him. First, I am totally on board with the gray nato's now, holy cow did it look excellent on this watch. Second, the gray sunburst dial was very impressive for the price point! It had much more sunburst effect than I was expecting and that made me glance down at the watch quite often because of all the dial variation. I've never owned one of the Seiko 5's with the mainstream SKX/SRPD/SRPE case shape because on the website it never appealed to me. But on the wrist, and especially with the smooth bezel, this case shape is really pleasing. I ended up wearing it for the weekend before I sent it to him. It looked great in almost anything I wore. I feel like you could even pass this with a suit if you put it on a different band. I even took it skating one evening and I think it looked pretty badass with black jeans and vans. Really nice watch for the price, if you're thinking about getting one you should.
Thank sou for this comment :)
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It is refreshing that just by making the comparison of a Seiko SRPD with a Rolex you are granting this beautiful unexpensive watch an incredible value and desirability....congrats to Seiko and obviously to you.
Regarding the accuracy, you can just regulate it to +2 or 3 seconds per day on the nh35.
Yeah but only if you know what you are doing and 99.9% of people don't.
@@thetruth495 99.9% is just exaggerating. You don't have to do it yourself if you're afraid although it's not hard, just fetch it to a local watchmaker for a quick regulation and it'll only cost very cheap.
Rumor has it that even MVMT watches are superior to Rolex ;)
I'd sell my Daytona to get a mvmt watch. They are on a level with ap and patek.... At least alpha m told me so
Anything more than a casio f91w is ott in practical terms, but we're only here once & the heart wants, as long as something makes us happy it doesn't matter if its £100 or £10000. 👍🏻
Actually owning f91w is also ott as bow every has a smartphone from which you can tell time
I’ve found my sweet spot to be around 2-4K for a watch. Omega, Oris, Tudor, Grand Seiko, etc. have quality dive watches near or on Rolex’s level for a price closer to the Reasonable side of the spectrum (for me).
Great video Adrian 👏🏽
Agreed, I recently picked up a Tudor Bronze Bay and I'm absolutely blown away by it!
I do agree with you. Even with 1000 you can start with Hamilton
That’s the whole reason I decided to go with the Omega Seamaster 300. So much mir value for the price.... and you don’t have to wait years for them.
@@ticktalk8055 Seamaster 300 is a great watch. The new one I like even better, very cool with a lollipop hand, revised case, and the sandwich dial.👌🏼
You can't really get any of those guys for 2 to 4k. I don't know how you're getting them for that price. Seiko Presage is around the range. And some old and beat up used Omega and Orises.
If you want a Rolex, get a Rolex. Don’t settle for less, don’t settle for more. Not a Patek nor Seiko can satisfy that desire.
That's exactly how I came out to my parents.
Unless you want a Patek or a Seiko... in which case buy them instead. Or in my case... a Casio
I settle for more, which is Grand Seiko.
@@ocb05 Cool story bro, I'm sure your family is proud
@@ocb05 As long as it comes on a leather strap. 👍
Just picked up that exact Seiko for £159. It’s running +7s pd and I’m very happy with it.
People who generally freak out over misaligned bezels might want to avoid minutes 6:52-55.
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Was thinking the same 😂
Now I've seen it I can't un-see it. I'm traumatised.
I did not hear a word Adrian said during those seconds...!😮🤣
Adrian, once again spot on! A great start point for any discussion on watches.
For those who have $10K and can afford to drop that $10K on a watch, and want a Rolex, they should spend the money.
For those of us among the hoi polloi, there are dozens of great watches out there for well under $1K.
And to catch that train, a quartz watch is always the right answer. It is t going to start any conversations, but a quartz watch delivers - until the battery runs out. 😱
It is just a watch after all.
Spot on Adrian. I have watches with price tag ranging from £30 to £5k and I personally love them all . Iv never been able to justify spending thousands on a watch because of time keeping or build quality . There again I can’t really justify spending £30 either, because I already own watches . I can only justify spending money on a watch because I simply like the way it looks
Well said.
I sold my skx 009 for double what I bought it for. That's watches as an investment right there. A sapphire Crystal is maybe a £40 upgrade and you could get the movement adjusted so it runs more accurately. I agree on many points but other distinctions you make are easily fixable.
I bought the green Seiko 5 to play with, I got one in the Jan sales for £160 then did a few Seiko mods. Was great fun learning the basics. The watch looks even better now with a nicer bezel, AR crystal and Mercedes hands. I call my mod "The Sulk".
Great vidro as always, Adrian. Cheers
Sulk lol 😂
Can you review a Planet Ocean? Love to get your take on them!
I’m hoping to get hands on with one. 👍🏻
YASSS! I would love this!
Yes Adrian, please do a planet ocean feature
39,5 mm please 😌
I just bought the planet ocean 600m with the 39mm case and rubber strap. I am very happy with mine.
I really cannot find anything to complain about. If you jump on a sailboat 40 ft. Your mate wears the Rolex. You wear the planet ocean and take off around the world. Both watches will perform perfect. The planet ocean is a good watch.
Interestingly enough, during Diving School - they would equip us with diving computers. People who buy "Dive" watches, might not necessarily be divers or even go swimming with it. The heart wants what it wants, the term "Dress watch", "Beater watch", "Military watch", "Pilot watch", "Dive watch", "Sports watch", list could go on - YOU decide what you like, and it dictates your style. If you can own it, own it. If you like wearing it, wear it. Just know the reasons, if you wish to please others or yourself? Whether that's a Rolex or a Seiko...or a Lange, it's personal joy. Just like listening to a splendid piece of music or reading poetry, it's about what makes us happy as individuals.
You are wrong if you buy a diver's watch is because you dive, and if you buy a Moonwatch is because you plan to go to the Moon 😜.
@@japd7897 Haha, just like I only wear my Reverso when I play Polo.
Love this! I’ve been thinking about getting a Rolex but I might get a Seiko and invest my money and maybe buy a Rolex later
we are much more lucky in Asia as the cost of servicing Seiko is much more lower compare to other country. Both are great and appeal to different level of people perceive value. As for accuracy, a good regulate done on Seiko will also able to reach a good accuracy.
Never saw a huge soccer player wearing a Seiko, wouldn't that be cool and original? Thanks for the video
Should also compare the SPB143 as well.
I was on a waiting list for a bb 58 and since i got my spb147, i don’t want the Tudor anymore ...
I love your channel… I am a watch enthusiast in the low to mid range cost category as far as watch collecting goes. I have a couple examples of ‘luxury’ ...I have upwards of 30 to 40 at all times of what many would refer to as cheap/beater/throwaways...I love this piece/video...It is honest/forthright and in many ways exposes the weaknesses of watching collecting...Thanks for the great piece!
PS… The new Zenith it’s not a homage of the Daytona😉
Perfect way to start my Sunday morning.
Coffee, French toast & eggs, watches 👌🏻
Absolutely brilliant video. I own a Breitling Heritage chrono and a Seiko 5. Love them both. I completely get it.
Really impressed by the lack of bias here. My only question is whether the Seiko would have fared better had it been an SKX rather than the 5KX. Can't imagine any big changes other than the depth rating and cult status.
This is an eye opener video. Thanks to this guy for putting it so nicely. My thoughts have matured over the age. I dont think we should think it is stupid for someone to buy the Rolex. I own the Seiko 5. I bought it because I loved it the first time I saw it. Then I saw about it on youtube and found this video. The Seiko is classy and elegant and I bought it because its covered well within my monthly income. So if you are going for the Rolex go for it when that dosent cause a dent in your savings!
Would be interesting in seeing something like this but comparing a Rolex against a similar spec'd watch with an ETA regulated to COSC standards, and sapphire glass. Now that would certainly be an interesting comparison in terms of diminishing returns.
That video would answer a question that we all already know the answer to.
I’m brand new to the watch game and Im considering the Seiko 5 as my first purchase. Although having a Rolex one day would be nice this video further comforted me about the upcoming inaugural purchase. Thanks
Nailed it with it being a personal decision. Could easily sport a custom Seiko with a sub style case and keep the Submariner in the safe until the weekend and increase in value. Picked up the same Seiko but on the nato late last year as a beater. The vibrant modding community has me eager to swap in a sapphire crystal and change the bezel.
What we need is a unit of happiness (perhaps a smile?) and then a way of figuring out how many smiles a watch gives and then figure out a smile per dollar quotient - a watch stops being worth extra when it keeps demanding money but stops giving more smiles.
Unit of happiness. Love that!
The Pelagos:
cheaper than a sub, tougher than the Seiko 5
Available at an AD, tight QAQC tolerances
It's the luxury beater tool watch with history and purpose built design.
The Pelagos and SeaDweller is a better comparison.
a better comparison would be smp 300 vs the sub, watch n co has a video on it too
I'm not advocating for a comparison but instead suggesting a watch that satisfies many of the advantages of both tiers of watches compared here. The comparison Adrian shared was suited to the point he was trying to articulate.
Scurfa Diver One - cheaper than the Sub, cheaper than the Seiko... Milsub hands, 500m.
Really enjoy when you explore questions like this, thoughtful and interesting!
I just bought a Seiko 5 (SNK357) for $90 and I still feel guilty 😂
Great watch. I have 2 Seikos. They look lovely, and useful, in places where it may get banged about.
Best of luck with that 7s26 movement. Never worked properly for me, waste of money.
Enjoy it , so long as it doesn't get magnetised (an Ebay demagnetiser sorts that out for next to nothing) they just go on and on. I have a few and they have all been great.
Looks like I'm doing wrong, I just got a Casio Duro ($50), I love it more that watches I have that cost 20x more. Wished I started with the Casio. Triple
It’s not that you should buy a Rolex, it’s because you can buy a Rolex.
This reminds me of a watch moment I had. Was sitting on the beach at the North Sea, researching end game dives watches (GS, Blaincpain, Glashütte Original, etc.) to buy. Then I looked at the Seiko SKX I was wearing and wondered: Why am I looking for another dive watch? There‘s nothing left to be desired, that this watch does not deliver. So the SKX remains my only diver up to today.
"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up..." - Ferris
Perfect! Great comment!!!
Hey At last I have a watch that has appeared on the Bark and Jack channel! 🙂 I love mechanical watches and I really enjoy the content and the way you present it Adrian. Entertaining stuff! 👏👏👏👏 We all have our own motivations and reasons for choosing the watches we like and fair play for all that. I can’t afford or would want to wear a watch that was several £1000 pounds. I would not enjoy it because I would be conscious of its worth and would worry about loosing it or scratching it or worse. However I do value a good time piece, that is well, made, durable, accurate and easy to read. I guess a tool watch is right up there as I enjoy the outdoors and my need is for a precision watch I can wear almost anywhere and that will stand up to the rigours of life and occasionally some rigorous activities. My Seiko does this, though does sit a bit proud at 13mm tall. I also have a Victorinox Chronograph - quartz and most recently acquired a Citizen eco drive watch. The later at £80 was a steal! It has a simple clear face and date and does exactly what you need it to - tell the time clearly. You never need a battery and it has 200m water resistance. The strap was c***! But a nato strap fixed that and it is a strap monster! 🙂One reviewer said his only complaint was it did everything he needed so well that he begrudged paying out so much more for other watches that delivered as much but at several more times the price that that really hurt his pride! Don’t get me wrong I love the watches Adrian shares with us, desire them even, but I would want to wear them and use them and they are now way too much for me to go out and buy one. My own solution is a Hamilton Khaki Field watch - 40mm face, champagne dial just discontinued. A Christmas present that I have to wait for. Yep next Christmas! 👀🙄Worth the wait though for a super watch! 😉 Keep giving us your personal view on watches. Fascinating stuff Adrian, but do check out the Citizen eco drive I mentioned. It would be a great promo for Bark and Jack straps! 18mm lug width. Best wishes Peter
Seiko combines everything - style, price, quality and history
8:07 Now that you've mentioned resale values of seiko...
I am making money with every single Seiko I've purchased
SKX, guigiaro reissue, old padi turtle (air diver) has all been discontinued and gone up to anywhere around 2 to 5 times of the price I've paid for
Although arnie reissue hasn't increased in price, I paid so low for a new one that I'd be making money selling it as a used watch.
On the other hand, I lost 30% on calatrava, 20% on royal oak and 1.5k on speedmaster. I also lost 1k on 114060
Go figure
Noticed the rolex minute hand when it was it 10oclock in macro looked rough on the edge. Surely they can do better for that price.
I have this seiko, it's beautiful, you can swim with it (including a water slide) and it's fairly accurate for the price. Left it alone for over a day for the first time and was about 15 seconds off. The offset crown I've fallen in love with and I do wish it was screw down for more security.
I own a Sub and several Seikos. I think you can love chili dogs and dry-aged, medium rare steaks at the same time without having to pit them against each other.
I will say I rarely worry about my Sub when it’s on the wrist. It’s built like a tank and was made for activity. I mow the lawn with it, take it on hikes and bring it in the water.
You get it.
I think exactly like you. I own a Rolex and a Seiko. I never wear the Seiko.
Bought one of the bark and jack watch travel boxes , sent to Barcelona very quickly and can highly recommend!
Watch boxes? How many watches/slots did the box have? I'm currently looking for a 10 or 12 watch box. I didn't know B&J sold boxes.
@@michaelhargis7036 it’s the watch travel box ( I’ve edited my comment to reflect this), made of leather.
Thanks a lot Phil 🙌🏻
I have both and the Islander, a version of the SKX supplied by Long Island watches, is a dayly beater. Both are great but Islander 02 on a Crafter blue Rubber strap is what I wear.😎🤔
Never thought I'd actually own a watch featured on your channel 👍
Wow man this was such a incredible video and I enjoyed it a lot! Might have to buy a seiko I like it alot!
Just bought a Seiko exactly like the one in this video. I absolutely love it. It is the perfect size, not top heavy like the Seiko Monster is. The bracelet is comfortable. And as for accuracy, the specs may well say -35 to +45 secs a day, but mine has gained exactly one minute in 12 days… +5 secs a day. Awesome. And the best thing? I don’t need to worry about wearing it.
More Seiko, gets some Tunas in!
Yeah exactly mate. Let’s see him put a Tuna up against the Rolex.
I went from the Pepsi version of that Seiko to a BB58 Blue, not quite a Sub but still a huge difference in price.
I didn't really want to let go of the Seiko though but couldn't justify keeping both. Bought it at a discount and sold it for the same price.
Great video as always.
I find the Seiko more beautiful than the Rolex, especially looking at the design of the hands and the 5-minute indications on the dial. I have a Seiko 5 myself and it runs at an accuracy of +5 seconds a day. The hardlex crystal holds up very well till now. Maybe it is less scratch resistant, but for one Rolex I can buy 25 Seikos, so if an ugly scratch would appear than I will simply buy a new one.
I scrimped and saved to purchase an Explorer 1016 new in 1986 (couldn't afford the Sub). I wanted a sports/dress watch so as to shift from plastic Casio digitals and the 1016 met the bill. I'm not sure that I'd be willing to scrimp and save enough today to purchase either a current Explorer or a Sub. Good vid. Keep at it!
I don't think I could enjoy a rolex in the same way I enjoy my budget watches
True say bro keep up the good work
I have the Seiko!! My brother who is a watch freak has the Rolex. My observations 1. The Seiko has far better lume. 2. It has a day and date. Who doesn't find that handy? 3. 41 hours power reserve is just fine. 4. I won the Seiko lottery with mine, perfectly aligned chapter ring AND. ....+ 2 spd according to our Weishi Timegrapher, (same as my bro's Rolex). 5. I don't have to insure it. 6. I don't care if I scratch it. I can buy 20 more and still spend less than what a Rolex costs! 7. It's really a more attractive watch to look at than a Rolex. (Matter of taste I suppose )And don't get me talking about that disgusting cyclops on some of the models. BTW, my non beater is a newly acquired Grand Seiko SLGHOO5 that cost me more than that Rolex and if you're really worried about missing your train, you definitely won't miss it with a Seiko Spring Drive. 😉 ....and a confession. Yes, I insured the GS.
11 minutes of my life I’ll never get back
Can't agree more on the screw down crow & time keeping. Although, I don't think I've ever caught a train relying on my watch ;). Fantastic video as always babes! OMG I wish I wasn't such a Rolex gal, but I am. Absolutely love the sub, love the way it looks, love the way it sits on the wrist.
Me too. I’m just a sucker for Rolex’s vanilla design.
Yeah great video!! Would be interested in a similar one comparing the Rolex with the Seiko SPB143. That could be really cruel for Rolex because the Seiko has a cool tool watch factor the Rolex had and has lost.
Yes, a gilt edged investment and a fave with house flippers and speculators .
@@altbinhax the tool watch you’re adraid to scratch because you want to sell it « unworn »
Adrian - I remember you didn’t like bronze watches but have you ever seen the Glycine Combat Sub GL0188? This watch is soooo beautiful and only 10 mm thick. Remarkable for a diver. Plus that the Patina makes it really special to me.
Could you do a review of the Seiko MM300?, Seikos answer to the Submariner👍🏻
Great idea. That’s an awesome watch.
Yeeees, love the marinemaster
Great video as always. I agree with everything you said! I own 2 submariners myself. A 5-digit from my birthyear and a 116610ln. They're not worth the price. Only because of the way they hold value/increases in value on the 2nd hand grey market. But if you took a loss on buying Rolex retail (e.g. Submariners) they would not be cost efficient or value for money whatsoever and I could then NEVER justify buying one.
Absolutely love the way many Rolex models looks. The Explorer 1 & 2, the Sub, Gmt and Daytona in particular. But I am very critical to the brands (Rolex) way of doing business. There is no transparancy, and then there is the "waiting lists" and the grey market situation. It's shady on so many levels. But the watches i absolutely adore. It's the people in charge of Rolex that I have a problem with.
I have a modded skx007 with sapphire and nh35 that is running less than a -1 second a day. It's the watch i wear everyday.
Tenés link para ver el reloj? :)
@@Lukytazcuervo si instagram.com/p/CLpy7dFn7qk/?igshid=1l4jxiry80e9e
Scooter vs. Rolls, but I agree with your video. Nice job!
Thanks Craig.
I think is not a good comparation, marinmaster vs submariner would be a little more fair
Decent point, but it’s not supposed to be fair, it’s supposed to be interesting.
@@simonbailey2151 but the problem is he is grabbing one of the cheapest seikos vs one of the medium price rolex, i think a $1k seiko will make his point better
@@MegaMarlon0123 Not necessarily. The whole point was about value, both of the watch and of the watch to the buyer. Having more drastic differences makes this comparison better.
I’ve been into watches for 30 years. I feel like I am coming to the end of caring. I do like the lack of bullshit in the Seiko 5s. I really need a diver with 300m? bullshit. I need to show that I can afford a Rolex. Bullshit. Does anyone like me better because of my watch? Bullshit. Do I feel cooler/sexier/better with a Rolex? Bullshit.
How many stories have we heard about the simple lifelong durability of Seikos. How many stories do we really hear of Rolex.
Too
Much bullshit.
Sorry but it's a pointless comparison. One of those watches can actually be bought and the other can't. Pointless.
I watched your video wearing my Grand Seiko spring drive diver (SBGA229). I found the Seiko had many, but not all, of the same design elements of my GS. The Seiko is certainly an attractive value proposition for many people without regard to affordability. I do not have the new Sport 5 reference but I do have the Seiko Samurai Great White Shark and it is indeed an amazing value proposition for somebody who prefers not to spend a great deal on watch but who wants something that both looks good with decent overall specifications. Watches are a form of self indulgence with a lot of justification based upon the dual mystique of horological value and horological heritage. Your video provides an interesting reality check. Fine work.
👍🏻love them both equally
Lol
Hey Adrian. From what you say the window of accuracy on the Seiko is horrendous. In practice from what I have seen is that the accuracy is more like plus or minus 10 seconds a day. The only explanation that I can give for their spec is that temperature (or position) must be a big factor in their measuring.
At the end of the day for 99% of us the main reason is how money we could spend for the watch without our wife make our lives hell :)
Nailed it. I have both - Submariner Date and a Seiko 5 Pepsi. I love them both, I bought them for different purposes. I just went away for a long weekend to a beach house (Air B&B, I can’t flex THAT hard) and I took the Seiko. Wore it happily, love the damn thing. Robust, comfortable, accurate, great luminosity, the bezel “pops” nicely with the red and blue, go Seiko! Got home and immediately switched back to the Rolex. I missed it. It’s an amazing watch and if I could only have ONE watch for the rest of my life, the Sub would be it. Is it worth the price? Yes. Is the Seiko better value and an amazing watch? Also yes. Watch collecting should have no room for snobbery, there are so many amazing pieces out there from amazing brands. Buy what you enjoy, what you can afford, wear the damn watch, appreciate the engineering and aesthetic, aspire to something more - the end.
The main sticking point for me is movement accuracy- with cheap autos, I find I’m always checking a digital clock and seeing how inaccurate they’re becoming
The Seiko NH36 is pretty damn accurate
@@impatrickt -45 to +35?? No thank you
@@britannia2129 I have 20+ watches and can barely even tell analog time. I have a phone.
Last year bought my 2531.80 Seamaster, loved it. But it sat at home most all the time while I wore my seikos to play with the dogs, running, gym, climbing at work. Sometimes you just wear what’s practical more
1:04 Nope... there's the " Submariner " and there's the " Submariner Date " !
Let me guess, there isn’t a Pepsi, a Hulk, a Kermit...
Just to note, you can get high end Seiko with a Spring Dive or High Beat movement for less than half the price of a Submariner. Spring Drive accuracy is within 15 seconds per month.
I do like Japanese watches... I've just brought a Casio Oceanus - £400. Solar quartz, accuracy within 1 second per day. Syncs with atomic clock daily. Very light & comfortable to wear, 80gms only on titanium strap. Tried a Tudor BB58 and just wasn't for me... too much like wearing jewellery and no date which was annoying.
No offense, but I feel you did these type of videos dozens of time already. Like the pictures though.
I have this exact Seiko and can’t fault it. I set it on the first of the month, have worn it everyday without adjusting the time, and on day 23 is running 4 seconds faster than the computer I set it from.
This is a pretty useless comparison a much more Relevant comparison would be comparing Rolex to omega, JLC Aand similar watch brands, which probably cost half or less than Rolex and provide a much better value.
It’s not useless at all. It’s about comparing two different philosophies....the point of the video was not to find a better alternative but simply compare and see the advances and disadvantages of both models.
Perhaps you, and the 4 people who liked your comment, ought to watch the video before commenting? :)
WHAT. THE. HELL. You never do a wrist check. Rolex explorer 36 ???