HOW CAMPING MADE DBD NOT FUN
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Camping is one of the most painful topics for the DBD community. It's been a thing in the game even before the official release and in this video we're gonna explore how exactly it affected the fun of Dead by Daylight over these 7 years.
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It really depends on the scenario, but generally no one likes being camped out. You could get tunneled out and camped in the first few minutes, or you play really well, have a great game but then get camped during end collapse. It can be pretty demoralising knowing you can't do anything, and in some cases your teammates can't do anything either. Really just don't do to others what you would not like to have done to yourself if the roles were reversed.
I don't think anyone is expecting the new camping changes to be meta defining though. There are other issues with the game that need attention, but for now this is an adequate enough change.
it's even more demoralizing when you see how your teammates fail to punish a camper by doing gens and instead they just go an suicide at the hook. its like yeah: the camping dude is being a dyck but why make it even easier for him?
You can't be afraid of the consequences if there isn't at least some punishment for getting caught. If camping gets removed, gens would be everyone's priority even moreso.
noooo i got sad when the vid ended :(( i really loved this video ngl good job :D
More stuff is on the way tho. Next one is gonna be an absolute banger
Unfortunately I gotta agree that camping is just a fundamental part of the game. The whole idea of hooking a survivor just encourages camping and to completely get rid of it you would have to change the sacrifice mechanic fundamentally.
Maybe making Pyramid Head's Cage of Atonement base kit for all killers could finally remove camping, and then you could give PHead a power that is more interesting. However this would also remove flashlight saves, pallet saves, and the wiggle mechanic, so you would have to address that somehow.
Can't believe. Finally someone who heard what I was trying to say. 😭
To me the issue is just outright denying the Survivor the ability to play by just staring at them on hook. Proxy camping is fine because it's a great way to ambush a Survivor trying to be altruistic. What I feel the new Anti Face Camp system will do is make Survivors feel like they have a chance. It's not gonna remove camping, just make players feel like they can, ya know, play the game.
that's what the next update is gonna adress. the camping pandemic is gonna get better i promise. but campers are not gonna go anywhere and mark my words we're gonna be seeing more threads on twitter claiming that camping is now somehow worse but in a different way. it's a vicious circle and the DNA of DBD
@@SireK0zy Sad but true.
@SireK0zy the biggest issue is that camping is very much the correct strategic move sometimes when slugs are around or 2 survs are hovering hook specially considering the over saturation of surv sided maps and quick gen speeds, if the devs don't take that into account hopefully we will see player numbers bleed again and they should finally kill the game or save it tho ist BHVR and those useless POS are only good at adding pride charms.
I agree, honestly would be better to at least get a chance against a face camper
Reassurance basekit.
and honestly you give me so much information about old dbd, i love it!
I knew proxy camping was going to go up once this update came. Me and my friends run reassurance every game because we know exactly how 90% of killers play
100% true, just sucks like this plus tunneling had been more of a problem then ever! You get a killer tunneling first hook player right away from 5gens to make a game 3v1. Sad that comp style tryhard gameplay took over a fun layback game of 2016
@@Bryan_S yes tunneling is a nightmare. I thought it's just a thing in low mmr with baby killers who can't win the game otherwise so they choose to play unfair but then i tried to play on my sister's account who's mmr is really high and oh god it was even worse, literally every game every killer tunnel out every surv or all other survs are just randomly killing themselves on first hook so you're left alone after 5 mins of game with 5 gens left looking for a hatch 🤣 yeah i rather stay on my mid mmr than experience this tunnel simulator again 😅
I’m honestly sorry I do this. But I just can’t stand t bagging survivors and their cockyness. You can literally loop me for hours , flashlight me , then it’s well played , but once you start t bagging it’s over now I’m sorry 🤦🏾 you gon have to suffer the consequences
I get that but dame that’s heartless if you do that you should all so let people go for being kind/silly or giving you their item
Just play Ghostie boy and tbag em back 😈
Good luck catching or stalking them
You're changing your own behavior because someone is causing you to. Are you going to let those players dictate how you act?
@@ItsLuke2357 that’s why I main him 💀
I say that if the killer stays near the hook with a survivor for more than 10 seconds the hook gradually slows down up to 60% slower sacrifice time. Incentivizing the killer to not camp because it will take even longer to sacrifice survivors and even more time for the rest of the team to do generators. I know it’s probably not the best idea but it’s the best I could come up with. (Maybe the entity is shy and doesn’t like being watched while eating lol)
That will do absolutly nothing. Camper allready dont care about winning the game. Tunneling is a very strong tactic to win the game, camping not. The chance is very high that they finish 3 gens and than just go for the unhook with 2+ persons.
I think slugging is worse than face camping these days the amount of killer perks that come out now to stop getting off the ground is annoying. The only thing I hate with camping is my stupid team mates not helping me get unhooked when I helped them earlier
i'd say it depends. if your teammates know there's a dedicated bubba camper on the other side of the map and there's no chance for them to help you, it's ok to let one dude die and let the rest of the team escape. but unfortunately in many cases survivors don't only fail to rescue you, they also die near the hook where you're hanging which is an automatic GG
I’d say that camping is much worse. The thing about slugging is that you can practically design a whole build that relies on the killer to slug to get value. Camping on the other doesn’t really have this, with the only perk really helping you is kinship and kindred.
Now what about bleeding out survivors simply to be toxic? While that may seem like an issue, it can be solved by doing what every DbD streamer does when they are held hostage by a hacker: do something else. The big difference is that your not going to be there for hours on end.
@@forthelolz1121 for streamers its at least content when they are kept hostage. for regular people it's just a time waste
@@SireK0zy True, but that still doesn’t change the fact that if someone is being bled out cause the killer is being petty, they can just leave their device for a few minutes or watch a video.
I didn’t know that supernatural serial killers had to abide by rules.
The Entity literally changes Killers because it wants them to follow rules.
It literally feeds off the hope of Survivors escaping. Without a fine balance, The Entity will never be fed.
Your logic for a video game experience, and for lore, makes no sense.
@@FancyDakota
It’s video game where the object of the game is to kill people.
I didn’t know that gamers had to play by the rules of the Geneva Convention.
@@alitlweird I didn't say that the players needed to follow "rules" people make. I responded to your original comment where you referenced the Killers themselves.
No one has to do anything in the game to make sure someone else feels better, people will call it lame, toxic, whatever, but no one NEEDS to.
It's simple, if you don't want to be called out for having a boring playstyle, don't play in boring ways. People who tbag and flashlight when stunning, Killers hitting on hook and camping, etc.
Obviously it goes without saying that if someone is being toxic or something, than the player receiving the toxicity has the right to do it back without being trash talked.
@@FancyDakota
I stopped playing because people sent me instant messages how they didn’t like the way I play. Basically, I beat them and they didn’t like losing. Crying because they lost makes for a really fun experience.
Hats on you, this channel is pure gold.
Yes camping is a core mechanic of dbd, but the problem is that there are not much tools to avoid it (and even there were, many people don't wanna try their best or at least good). Maybe this game could be better with rank and casual as different modes, or maybe it's just impossible to fix
some people say they're actually about to add a ranked mode you know. with all the upcoming changes this wouldn't surprise me
also about not having too many tools to counter it: the tools are actually there. and more tools are on the way. but no matter how many tools you give to your solo q teammates they will still fail to use them right. i lost all hope in solo q afetr my yesterdays gaming session
There is a way it’s called being good enough to not be the face camped rip Claudette
@@charrakter Sometimes you can’t win other times you can’t lose
The issue is when a survivor is on the hook. Once a person is on the hook, is effectively disabled from the game and cannot do anything. Most perks are from preventing being hooked and after being rescued, and some killer powers and Add-ons can make outright impossible to rescue someone without risking yourself or the survivor being rescued from being downed.
Deliverance is the only perk that can at least give you the chance to escape alone, but unfortunately if you get caught first , the perk becomes completely useless and no one can rely on luck to self-unhook. Reasurance and Kinship/Camaraderie only extends the time on the hook, but the latter only works on the 2nd stage.
I don't like having to mention Otzdarva, but he said in one vid that some killer powers should be toned down or even disabled if they refuse to move away from the hook (like some insta-down add-ons shouldn't work, or Leatherface losing charges or unable to rev his chainsaw if stays within a certain range).
I agree that killers like leatherface shouldn’t be able to use his chainsaw if he’s standing at hook for a prolonged period of time without any survivors nearby. At this point, if I see a leatherface player, it’s usually a guarantee that this will be a boring game of pushing gens whilst one person is left to die on hook.
This is why i became a killer main and play killer more then survivor beacuse im always been camped at 5 fecking gens for no reason
the reason is simple. camping works ;)
@@SireK0zy true I suppose that is true
tunneling is worse imo. I hate when the killer decides to tunnel one survivor out of the game for no reason even at 5 gens. even if he downs a survivor he will leave that survivor on the ground and continue tunneling.
@@dains6623 I always have that happen to me
Proxy camping is nowhere near as big an issue as face camping. Proxy camping allows for survivors to coordinate for a save. Harder to do in soloQ but not impossible. The killer can't be within 16 meters of a hook, that is a large radius that allows for teammates to easily sneak in - especially when the killer is distracted by another survivor trying to sneak in. There is still a strong chance of a snowball, but at least it has counterplay. Face camping nowadays isn't impossible to escape from but its damn near it - I'd take proxy camping over face camping any day.
Also, the idea of just accepting camping as part of the game is exceptionally unhealthy. The devs have made it clear that face camping is an unfun feature that they don't want in the game. They are trying something to remove it entirely, and frankly I think it'll work, but I've been here long enough to know that if the first attempt isn't perfect then everyone will hound BHVR for it. Changes like these are trial and error, there is literally no other way to do it. People just gotta trust that they will find a way to remove face camping, this new update might not be it but if it doesn't work, the devs will try something else. Just gotta have some patience, cus I know for a fact (from numerous previous arguments about this topic) that nobody has a better idea yet xD
No one is asking if we want to accept camping as part of the game or not. It just is. Always has been and always will be. It's the reality of dbd regardless of whether it is healthy or not. After 7 years it's time to accept it.
@@SireK0zy sounds like we have different ideas of accepting it then... I accept that as of right now, it is part of the game. I do not accept that it is always going to be part of the game. After 7 years, the devs have finally said they're gonna do something about it - or at least do something more than add a couple perks or minor patches. I think that of all times, now is worst time to be accepting it. Now is the time to be hopeful that the devs are gonna try everything they can to remove it. The attitude of accepting things even if they aren't healthy is bad imo. That is one guaranteed way to ensure that no unfun mechanics will be changed. The only thing that is worse for the game than berating BHVR for bad changes is saying that their changes are pointless altogether and that no matter what they do, it wont change anything. That's some depressing pessimism that if we all followed, would result in a very stale and uninteresting game. It's a game after all, it's meant to be fun. Camping is the #1 complaint from most people who play this game, I really doubt the devs are gonna say "ah fuck it have fun with our unfun mechanics" after announcing their intentions to change that.
@@alecstronach You're right in saying that I'm super pessimistic. And I even agree that it's not the most healthy attitude but BHVR literally conditioned be to feel thsi way about DBD. The changes are coming out at an extremely slow rate. And most of them don't fix anything. Like for example basekit borrowed didn't fix tunelling. So I don't beleave that the anti-camping meter will fix camping. It's just gonna give it a different flavor. I guess you can say that the changes are not gonna stop with the anti-camping meter and if we wait a little longer we're gonna see even more positive shifts. But how long? 7 more years? Meh, at this pace you might as well just be a realist and assume that camping is gonna be there forever and learn how to play around it. That's what I'm doing. Sorry if I made you feel super depressed. I didn't mean to do it really
@@SireK0zy I definitely understand that feeling. BHVR are known for being slow and deaf to the community, but I feel like they're an engine with like 30HP - it takes forever to accelerate but once it's at speed it keeps going. Back at release their changes were super slow, but they've slowly been getting faster and smarter. Ever since the first meta shakeup I feel like they've been way more responsive and efficient with their changes. They're far from perfect, but they're soo much better than they used to be. I have faith that they will fix these issues that make the game unfun. Hell Singularity is about to get its 3rd change since the PTB (EMPs taking 100 seconds, giving a slowdown while charging and increasing charge time to 2.5 seconds) and he's only been about for a few days. This shows they're actively changing things now instead of taking months to realise something has issues. I think with the new anti camping stuff they will treat it the same. A few years ago if you told me things like dead hard, decisive strike, ruin, 7 blink nurse, old spirit etc would be relatively well balanced by 2023 I'd laugh at you and tell you to fuck off xD. They took a while to do it all, and some of them they did all at once in a massive perk update, but right now I would say there are very few/no perks or killers that are outright overpowered and uncounterable. That's a massive change that nobody really expected. I really doubt they'll take another 7 years to fully fix it, I think we're talking within the next year. That might be optimistic, but I've really started looking at BHVR in a new light recently as honestly they haven't been disappointing as much as they used to. The game is more balanced than it has ever been and I don't think they're gonna stop there. They have a long ass to-do list for sure, but they're finally starting to tick some things off it. I do understand why you and so many others would lose faith by now, but I do think that if we all just accepted that the game is broken it would never get fixed. If BHVR finally saw some positivity towards them it might spark a long dead flame and cause them to actually listen to us.
I do agree that there will always be someone who tries to camp, but that's just something you'll find in any game. Someone will try to be a dick, its sad but its unavoidable. The only thing we can hope for is that their strategy for being a dick becomes unviable for any level of success, which I think is what this update is intended to do. It would be camping with a different flavour, but as long as that different flavour has solid counterplay then I'm okay with it. Thing with solid counterplay is that if you're trying to be a dick, you're likely to try something else instead - which is a whole other can of worms lmao. In the end the issue isn't camping, the issue is being denied the ability to play the game. If that ability is given back to camping victims then its an absolute win.
Something i dont think most people have considered with the new camping mechanic thats coming out is how it will make camping even worse. Think about it, if your a bubba in the basement staring into the survivors soul and they just unhook themselevs infront of you 10 seconds into the 1st hook duration what you gonna do, rev your saw burn throught there bt and then put them straight back on the hook with them dying even faster so then they just dont unhook themselves then the bubba wins in camping. This wont howerver apply to higher mmrs with smarter survivors as they would wait until the last second to unook infront of you but to the lower and less experienced survivors i geniuinly think this mechanic is going to make camping worse by making survivors fear being tunneled. Idk thats just my opinion though id share it
Gotta agree with the last part. Hate on tunnelling and proxy camping as much as you like but it works so well because of the games design. Does make you wonder if it’s a fundamental flaw or something the devs intended on being in the game
As long as the killers isn’t face camping or just standing there watching the hook I don’t see a problem. Why should killers wander off to the other end of the map and just let the survivor be unhooked? How is that fair? U got caught so now your team needs to be sneaky to save you
If you can’t counter the camper be the camper
the Anti-Facecamp mechanic essentially removed the only counter to Tombstone. if you hop in a locker, Myers will simply camp you putting you in a lose/lose situation. you either stay on the hook and die, self unhook and die mid unhook animation as the insta mori isn't considered damage and ignores I Frames, or someone tries to save you only to die instead.
Average surv main mindset
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch it
@@SireK0zy just joking ı wanted to get your attention 😂 ı hate campıng they ruin our fun ı always play with my cousin everybody camp tunnel but my cousin left the game because of that everybody so toxic sorry Man 😅
This is still a thing, especially with new dlc, waiting 10 minutes for a match only being facecamped and 4kd.
They had their time to fix this but they just refuse to do such. TCM and Carnival Hunt will be a real thread for dbd if they refuse liestening to their com.
Proxy camping is so annoying, you predicted just right in this video
Not bad. Eagerly waiting for the "How Dead Hard made dbd not fun"
the video is already on the channel
The only time I support camping is when the survivor is being toxic, though I think I’ll admit I did face camp a few for disrespectful plays like healing right in front of your face
some people will have those "criteria" for whom they wanna camp. but for the most part people do it because iit's beneficial and because the game allows it
wtf is up with this “toxic” BS?
why is everything “toxic” to this generation?
ye i will play around camping by getting camp for the rest of my life on the hook
9:40 that was painful to watch. The amount of times I've screamed at my screen in solo q "HEAL TECH, HEAL TEEEEECH, FUUUUUUUCK"
i feel like this girl wouldn't be able to pull this off cause she was injured. so there was a high risk that the killer would still be able to pick one of us up, so I think she did the right thing: waited till i got picked up and then took a hit so that i could potentially wiggle off. that was quite an insane match too. i wish i could show more footage from it so that people could see what exactly led to me dying like this. maybe in my future videos i'll find a way to show a little bit more of this game
@@SireK0zy very true your not wrong. Plus you were a little far from the exit I guess hey. Maybe my mind is too altruistically wired 😂
I just hate camping cause the experience i got. Game started. Surivior get down i rescue i get downed then hooked. The game just started and i spent the entire game on hook. The survivors couldnt save me cause the killer was there. So i wa was the first kill and i didnt get to really play.
Ngl everytime I see a bubba I get a bit scared of an insidious camping bubba cause I play solo most of time and can’t communicate that he’s camping around me
You be afraid of the none camping bubba
He competent and he knows what he doing
But it's better to against someone who scary and good then someone who wants to take away your controller...jerks
in 2016 they tried a ptb where hook stage would not decrease with time so camping was useless and you had to hook everyone 3 times
i dont remember how this went but i guess it was easily abused by survivors
survivors camping pallet after pallet and predropping pallets and just camping them isnt fun either! or survivors camping the same god loops or going to them all the time isnt fun which is a huge issue in DBD! you can't even break all the pallets in the game before gens are done!, and brutal strength is TERRIBLE! survivors can still t-bag once or twice/ camp the pallet and STILL MAKE it to the next loop! THUS YOU GET KILLERS THAT CAMP cause this game is terrible balanced and survivor sided you even have survivors that spawn on gens/objective and you wonder why 2 or 3 gens pop right off bat after u get your first chase/down and taking them hook! game is terrible camping is clearly how they want killers to play cause playing normal just favors survivors.
They need to add a 'die faster' button when being left on the ground. Yesterday I was the last survivor. The killer kept picking me up and putting me down. Then he allowed me to sit there on the ground until the match was almost over, so I finally quit and was punished with a 5-minute penalty which made me want to NEVER play this stupid ass game ever again.
Killer main here, but I play a decent amount of SoloQ and SWF: proxying isn't something that ever should be 'fixed'. Controlling the hooked survivor is just good gameplay, and camping specific gens, hooks, and choke points is good gameplay for both survivors and killers. If someone's complaining about a proxy, someone's not skilled enough in macro gameplay to understand it.
Also, reminder to survivors: the post-hook endurance doesn't work against knowledgeable/skilled killers. Cannibal, Deathslinger, Trickster, Huntress, Nurse, Blight, Wesker, Hag, and potentially Plague all have the inherent ability to 'double tap' (while others can but have specific mechanics which make it harder) which nullifies the endurance benefit. Be careful when trying to use your endurance to help a buddy instead of running away.
referring to camping the hook as ‘controlling’ the hook is crazy. The skill issue is clearly with the killer if you get looped for 2-3 gens now you’re desperate for a kill. Killer mains will never understand no matter what. You don’t actually want a challenge, if it’s not easy or isn’t going the way you want it to everytime you guys will make the game miserable for players just because they’re good at the game
@batonrougehistoryclass5194 This response only says:
- You have little to no experience as killer.
- Your experience as a survivor is also negligible.
- You don't understand that the majority of mains actually play and have experience with both sides, they just prefer one.
It's not uncommon in both high and low brackets of the game to see 2-3 gens pop for the first down, as the first loop set uses map resources. While some might be insecure and 'face' camp right away, the correct thing in many situations is to proxy: after 2-4 gens most survivors will go for hooks with more frequency, which means the killer will have something productive to do rather than simply leaving and losing both the hook and more gens.
If you, as a survivor, want the killer to leave the hook:
- Don't hook-swarm. Scratch marks and people making their presence otherwise known is just gonna make the killer try for a trade.
- Don't body-block with your BT. While it may seem counterintuitive, if you get that deep wound state it means the killer was either an ass who was gonna tunnel anyway, or the survivor forced the killer to hit after hook, which means the only pressure the killer has is to go after that survivor again. Survivors that volunteer themselves for pressure shouldn't be surprised at low scores at the end of the game.
Last point, while you don't directly say it, you also seem to have trouble differentiating between a 'face' camp and a proxy camp, in both form and function. That's pretty normal for inexperienced players on the survivor side, though, just like inexperienced/self-indulgent killers think genrush is still a thing; watch the video again for a brief description of the differences.
@@batonrougehistoryclass5194bro you’re just crying in every comment ☠️
Give BBQ perk double bloodpoints again and about 50-60% of people playing killer won't camp anymore. Incentivise not camping.
Probably even higher but i set it low because people play games for fun and many players are also survivors.
I kinda enjoy when I see a killer camping. The killers that abuse camping are the ones without abillities and it's kinda fun when the team reunites to distract the killer while another one unhooks the survivor in need. When I play with friends and I see the killer is a camper, I normally tell them to keep doing the gens. Make as many as possible and also stay away from the hook, so the anticamping system activates and you can unhook yourself.
Camping is a core mechanic?..
They definitely don’t know how to balance a game
Edit: Def can’t “ play “ around camping if the WHOLE POINT OF CAMPING is for you not to play.
You gotta be a killer main
Besides that good video
I'm a dedicated survivor main. You just missed the whole point of what I said. You can be angry about camping all you want. It's not going anywhere. Because BHVR designed their game this way.
also just to clerify i never said in the video that I like camping or being camped. I also never said that that's an interesting or interractive mechanic. all i said that its PART of the game. and it's very silly to deny that especially after SEVERN YEARS of the game being literally balanced around camping. BHVR is never gonna fix it forever. theyre just gonna make it a little less annoying. that's all you can hope for.
I don’t think i missed the point. I heard it. But picked out a specific thing. I agree with the last paragraph you said.
They definitely have no idea how to balance, that is for sure. Until they admit that SWF and comms provide such a significant advantage that it HAS to be balanced separately, they will never truly improve the game.
They will be stuck with most killers either being incredibly oppressive, or useless to the point where camping/tunneling are necessary. It is what it is.
@@Mubiki they do know it. and they do admit it. and they even gave survivors UI to bridge the gap between solo and SWF. but they will never make a super drastic change to balance SWF because SWF is a big chunk of their audience and they bring money. and money is what BHVR needs. simle as.
Yeah camping is something I put up with every now and then main reason there's not much you can do about it
Yep exactly. And also nothing we can do to make BHVR get rid of it forever. But a lot of native people in the comments don't understand it and accuse me or being a filthy killer main who promotes an unhealthy attitude to the game.
@@SireK0zy I only get mad at people camping when they only have two to three Hooks because to me they're doing that because they're either angry or they didn't get their way
I never found camping/tunneling/slugging unfun because overall old dbd was so much fun that stuff didn’t really matter.
I do feel like ever since the devs have been making the game more balanced it makes camping/tunneling/slugging more noticeable and unfun because the game has been progressively getting more sweaty and boring.
you might be the only person who doesn't think that old camping was an issue. i mean yeah maybe the game was less sweaty but what's the point of this if the killer could simply deny you the ability to play the game by standing up close?
@@SireK0zy well I’m referencing 2018-2020. I can’t give my input on the old old camping but it definitely wasn’t that bad during that time period.
@@Lunofi idk man i just don't see it this way. for me literally nothing has changed. people camp when they feel like doing this. no matter the amount of borrowed times, off the records they have to eat during the process.
@@SireK0zy well this game has a lot of issues that encourage it and that’s why I believe it’s so bad. Until they attack the main reasons for camping it will always happen.
Making the game feel weightless well still making players work towards goals and making experimentation and silly builds/play styles the focus could lesson the overall face camping making it seem like wining is the goal focusing so hard on balance makes a community focused on it to plus being nice or not and still receiving toxic or nice messages regardless of what you did I mean why even care at that point how you win why you win making a match that could drag or end in minuets seem to mater so much can’t be good unless it’s a group of pros seeing how far the game can go
Biggest problem is that pretty much it's only S/A tier killers that can proxy camp effectively causing their game to snowball which again isn't much adressed. Sure, recently they nerfed spirit addons, overhauled nurse a little, but again those killers if they chose to do so won't have problems tunneling/confirming a surv
Like Blight?
This is why I only do custom with friends bc people just don't got skills to play this
what if kinship activated if the killer is close? therefore instead of jumping off and being tunneled, he'd quite literally waste time. (ofc balanced enough so its not super survivor sided)
U heard it here first camping is a core mechanic of the game.
I'ma tell that to next salty survivor I meet😂
Roblox solved this in its rip of game 5 years earlier and I can say from that experience this going to do nothing I can already see basement bubba turn in to real estate and hill top bubba extreme tactical proxy camping and just putting the survivor in a place where only like one or to exits to save them then just looping that area forcing exchanges I can already see multiple builds to still do basically the same thing now he has to run perks to do it omg how will he mange it doesn’t fix anything he’s right camping is just a part of games with a hooking mechanic like this
At least they fixed tunneling right…right?
Oh ya and what if you unhook yourself but there’s no where to go or the killer just blocks you
What if the killer just slugs who’s to say the killer doesn’t just want a single person
now we NEED vivdeo How Genrush made dbd not fun
Camping means little to no map control and you can fix gens without fear, like killers are people as well and even a 6 year old knows that 1v3 is better than a 1v4
Like I don’t mind camping I don’t care if I get camped I don’t go and harass the killer and get angry I’m like well I’m dead but if it’s cus I did better than the killer mind gaming and looping and playing to escape then it’s silly and slightly annoying 🤣 still love this game still love hate relationship ✨
Love hate describes it perfectly lol. DBD is made to drive you mad. If it doesn't you're playing it wrong
@@SireK0zyBasically most modern games.
some people may say anti camp is impossible to implement but i disagree.
what if once the killer hook the survivor the survivor gets teleported to a random hook on the map
like how PH cage works youll never know where itll end up at
I agree that this could work for most killers, but I feel this may not work on smaller maps with killers like Blight, Spirit, and Nurse. I’d definitely prefer this to the hook radius penalty though.
90% of all examples of tunneling, can be traced back to bully survivor teams.
Not really. Nobody has this statistics. Killers tunnel be they can and because it's efficient
This is by far the most sad community i’ve ever been apart of. I never seen a group of people (killer mains) cry, complain & everything they do. while on the other hand cry, complain & hate everything a survivor does. Even doing what your supposed to do like loop & save your teammates can get you tunneled. They don’t even care if its god for the game or not as long as it benefits them.
skill issue
I agree with the new mechanic but I don’t understand why they don’t make camping the same as pyramid head cages like boom problems gone and you fix the issue of camping and the mechanic is still there but now they have to spend their time finding that survivor if they’re truly dedicated to camping them
100%
I might be a killer main, but the cage (re)spawn mechanic is already in the dang game. It's a great solution to a core issue in the base game, and it sucks that it isn't expanded and tweaked to make a more interactive hook-control gameplay loop for both sides.
I got a nice idea for face campers
The hoook phase should be longer if the killer is at the Hooked survivor (face camping) and once a certain radius of that hook let's say 10 metets of it. The Hook phase will revert to original speed. That way those pesky face campers would think twice. For Proxy campers.. eh... I say i don't really mind. Because Dead By Daylight is a horror game. And having a little bit of jumpscare would be great. And kindred perk. That showing the killer aura's radius would hurt a lot if they buff it. Not as much for stealth killer.
Loud Killer would get hurt by this changes.
So to summarize it
>Make the Hook Phase time longer when face camping. But revert back to normal when not in certain radius
>Buffing Kindred would hurt the campers and Loud killers.
"THEY COULD BE DOWNED BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN MOVE!"
Identity V Players: "Ok... And?"
Is it that bad there?
I mean what else can you expect from a mobile game
Identity V Is it dead already?
@SireK0zy it's alr. But alot of hunters make the nurse look like a chump. Like the ability to dash and pull survivors toward u on the same character, plus a speed boost and jumping pallets and windows like legion
@gabriel2gg2ninja90 idk, i just find dbd more appealing
Damn guess i'l get better at proxy camping bubba then
I don’t think that camping is a problem. If I understand that the killer is camping I’m just like “ok, I’ll go and make myself a cup of tea”😅
I guess you have a more chill approach. Some other people in the comments can't agree with you. They're literally flaming and raging because of what I've said in the end of the video (which was kinda my goal NGL lol). The funnny part is that some of them accuse me of being an entitled killer main while others say I'm filthy survivor main. Yet another proof that both sides have people who can't think straight
@@SireK0zy i know that you're right. But I hope more people can understand, that it's just a game, not the object to worry about. and yeah, thanx for your video, its amazing, as usual❤️
@@DontGetMeWrongBaby you see i dont really have the mind set of "this is just a game". i understand why people are getting emotional about DBD. i am super emotional myself. you can see this in my videos. it's just funny how people fail to understand my argument and try to boil it down to "you're just a killer main / you're just a survivor main". they can't even agree on who I am lol. just another proof that there's stupid people on both sides
@@SireK0zy well, I agree with you. And I can understand why a lot of people don’t think that it’s just a game, but anyway it’s just a game. I have an awful experience with panic attacks and know how it’s important not to be too emotional. That’s why I’m talking about game is just a game
@@DontGetMeWrongBaby sorry to hear that bro -_- i didn't know. stay calm and safe
Ive seen alot of comments talk about how camping stops survs from playing the game. But to be honest with they amount of perks that increase gen speed with toolboxes, sometimes they only thing you can do is camp someone, if theres 1 gen left and ive hooked 2 people, the best strategy would be to find the last guy i hooked and wait. So i can atleast get one kill and maybe two if they dumb. Camping shouldnt be removed. Just discouraged, give bonus to killer if they hook multiple different survs and if survs take advantage of the killer leaving( running to hook directly after killer leaves they should be punished like decreased healing speeds) and all that, or that doesnt work dont have survs able to finish 3 gens in 40s. Than i wont camp:)
To be honest if I’ve lost that badly and haven’t made a single sacrifice, I’ll just take the L. I got outplayed and gotta accept that. Unless there’s a big possibility of a turnaround, like if all survivors are injured and one is hooked during the last gen, maybe I’ll proxy. But most of the time I won’t bother, I find it unnecessary to punish another player by taking them out of the game simply because I lost.
@@virtualgambit577 well if that's how you wanna play sure. But for me. It ain't over till the fat lady sings
i mean i gotta say, camping isnt that big of an issue, like its a big issue but there are very few people that still camp and tunnel, mostly because of basekit BT, off the record, additional bt, kinship and such, its almost impossible to facecamp as soon as one of these perks hits the meta.
ya make it sound like camping is the end all be all factor of unfun in dbd but thats just not true, yes its a problem but its a problem just like the communities toxisity, survivor mains tbagging, clicking and only running perks to be annoying, or killer mains who only tunnel and camp or god forbid skull merchant and twins players, along with the competetive nature of the game and the general shittyness of BHVR to not realize this for several years until now
its a problem, but not THE problem and you make it sound bigger than it really is, if something they have almost entirely gotten rid of camping at least in my experience and mostly tunneling too bc if 1 person dies the other 3 just insta pops gens, if something they should fix hook and gen placement so there is less chance to end up in an area with several gens or next to no hooks respectively, like its super common for survivors of low to mid-high elo to just get 3 genned in 2 seconds because its either do one side or the other, or with killers how you either have 2 hooks in each area or none at all, like if ur unlucky on swamp with hook placement, basement could spawn in shack and you have no hooks nearby, to the point where if you down someone close to the ship you literally cant hook them because the hooks are that far away. and hatch, hatch is the one thing i think should be heavily survivor side, like its the one escape tool the last surv has, it should spawn within 25 meters of them if all 3 of their teammates have died.
a little ranty but yeah, its not gonna be any big change if they decide to completely get rid of tunnel and camping, i think they should focus on other bigger issues, like hooks, gens, hatch, other objectives and possibly other gamemodes, more qol and big changes rather than a pretty small issue at the moment
I gonna always tunnel and camp because more than 2-3/4 Survivors are toxic
My second game on once I got the game I got camped the moment I spawned in. Really fun 😀
Aye Green beans back🙋🏻
No way you're still here!
I don't believe. This gotta be your clone
Whats ur suggestion to remove camping then?
Short answer is none. If you finish the video you can find a segment where at the end I talk about how it's impossible to do because the game was designed with camping in mind. If you wanna fix camping you would have to completely reimagine DBD and make survivors die on the first hook and then respawn them somewhere else, far from the killer. But that would require rebalancing every killer, every add-on, gen speed, healing speed and god knows what else. BHVR is not gonna do this because this is too long and expensive and their goal is to make money and not to waste it. So I don't see any point making suggestions that are unrealistic and 100% not gonna be heard. Fixing their game is their job, so I'd rather wait and see what they have to offer.
@@SireK0zy thats an interesting idea, kinda similar to the pyramid head cage concept. That might even make killers value more "hooks" than kills, since they would provide the same dopamine releases of a real kill (if the visuals are the same).
This might be an idea worth exploring in the future, since Im preety sure DBD with never have a proper sequel anyway.
Does this mean Deliverance can work on second stage at some point? Because if youre the First to be hooked deliverance is useless, especially in end game
Nah I don't think that deliverance will work
If they add the meter might cause the death of the game and since limited time skins as money grabs
Why do so many killer mains love hurting the health of the game? Instead of wanting the game fair & progressing in the right direction they rather hate anything that helps survivors & want the game as easy as possible to get 4k’s. They’ll even tunnel you for looping them or saving your teammates. That’s the point of the game🤦🏾♂️
Idk man I dont talk to killer mains much since I'm a survivor main myself
both sides are equally toxic
I'm fine with camping it's hard tunnelling that's the real issue.
You know I was always curious how do you unhook yourself on the 2nd hook stage?
thats the neat part: you don't
@@SireK0zy well that makes sense.
@@Beessokoo1coo1 i mean after the upcoming update you will be able to do this but not at the moment
@@SireK0zy oh yeah I was talking about that one in 2023 from the 7th year anniversary they were talking about
I disagree that we should just live with camping. We may not get rid of it entirely, but they should at least try
I can't entirely blame killers, the game is so far in the survivors' favor it makes it almost madatory in some cases. Survivors get more and more and killers just get nothing, sometimes losing things. Maybe instead of getting rid of camping BHVR should incentivise killers to NOT camp, give them SOMETHING
Ur underrated
:3
This game is even worse, then I remember. Pretty good job)
only game ive ever played where instead of ridiculing the people who do a sht mechanic, people just say to get over it.. good way for your game to be trash forever.
What im afaid of is the 2 story maps... as killer i dont camp but if im above or below the hooked survivor on the game or midwhich is the meter gonna go up like skull merchant power works on multiple floors in those maps?
Oh well you don't have to worry about it that much. It's the survivors job to tell on what floor you are
@@SireK0zy what i mean is about the camping bubble if you are on the bottom floor and the hooked survivor is on the top floor directly above you is the meter gonna go up still
I love playing Face Camping Bubba 😍
You scare me
Oh lord
Psychopath.
(This is a joke btw)
I do fr no joke here when you can fix all gens while throwing down 50 pallets I might take the L but I definitely am face camping next game, make sure you don’t ready up to fast and idgaf how nobody feel now you know how it feels breaking every pallet on the map whooped hearing gens go off so I think it’s a even trade
All ima say is i feel dis new update wit the meter gone be perfect no excuses fa losing from the survivors cuz proxy camping still gone be here ima still proxy camp and when I play survivor hopefully it’s the same way. I don’t mind tunneling or slugging or it happening to me why would I go straight fa the pickup and 2 survivors crowding me wit flashlights and flashbang. Camping tunneling and slugging don’t secure wins anyway but chu can use it to yo strategy to win a game. It’s a mechanic not a bug. U lose at least one gen and a half the first 30 seconds of the game. Then u find the clicking survivor running prove thy self that’s the next gen done and now u either drop chase and check the next gen or you keep chasing either way that’s another gen lost now you got two generators to get 12 hooks and survivor mains still wanna cry about camping and tunneling and slugging. I get facecamping even though ion get mad if it happen to me but proxy camping you cannot be mad at. Base kit deliverance wit the meter should be it. Cuz now it give more of a counter to camping got a counter to tunnel and slugging dat should be it. Cuz when the same survivors keep losing I don’t wanna hear shit at that point it’s a skill issue u needa find another game
Wait, you said it was 45 seconds and then it got raised to 60 seconds per hook phase, and then said "an extra 90 seconds" thats only an extra 30 seconds??
that's 30 seconds, you're right. idk why i said 90 XD
i was probably still thinking about 45 + 45 thing from before lol. it's funny how you're the only person who noticed it while other people are accusing me of being an entitled survivor/killer main because my oponion on camping is different from theirs
dude we're stupid. i just realized that in the video i said "if you wanted to camp 3 survivors to death" so that's 30 X 3 = 90 seconds
Yall sit on gens, and I sit on hooks.
Your sacrifice won't be in vain unless your teammates try to save you and die then they are idiots.
@@Skrieb lol exactly. this pisses me off so much when my team doesnt only commit to gens while im getting camped by a random bubba but they literally come to watch me getting camped by a random bubba and eventually end up dying near me.
Im late af but when hatch would spawn when there were more than 1 survivor alive camping should be justified, now its anti camping, gens that melt instantly, hatch spawning for last survivir, and lots of useless older killers
The made up rules players have put on the devs is insane
You're not late. Always on time. Cause I read all comments
Oh look a video about true talent enjoyers lol
wdym? do they enjoy camping more than they should? i havennt watched him in a while. last time a checked true was advocating for hooks over kills...
@@SireK0zy oh yeah, he’s been at the forefront of camping and tunnelling
@@giannitrastelli8757 what made him change his mind?
Meh, camping was due to lame azz survivor swfs forcing killers to find a way to outplay their gen rushes. there was tooldboxes that could damn near instantly complete gens so this is what we had as a tactic, and it STILL did NOT work if they had the instant gen toolboxes, so, yeah. there is NO DIFFERENCE, between a camping bubba vs a swf that knocks gens out in 2 minutes flat... it still ends up being a boring game, period.
bran sent me here
Nooooo why would that cutie do this to his own followers?!
@@SireK0zy I know right. I asked myself the same exact question. 😂 I really enjoyed the video!
Helllpppp helllpppp meeee
Why?
Don’t I see the killer he’s behind that bush let’s just go do gens
Me a Camping Bubba
-_-
Youre really trying to make it sound like playing survivor was horrible when in fact dbd survivor was a bully’s wet dream. Survs had a hundred times more bs than killers
And that's why camping was never a problem. Got you. 👌
If you hook 3 people in basement you deserve the 3 kills stop crying
oh cool then. i guess in this case BHVR shouldn't have fixed the stairs body block exploit at all. good thing we have people with such a healthy attitude to the game in this community
do you realize that you can camp certain gens, force a 3 gen situation near the basement then go crazy with iron grasp. just because you hook them in basement doesn’t mean you deserve a kill 🤦🏾♂️
They made killers unfun :D, the devs are trash humans :D
How made rush not fan to
I wanna make a separate video on that
It made dbd fun for killer)))
this game sucks soo much, i want my money back
Here is the amazing way to beat camping, DO GENS AND STOP CRYING.
Then loop better
ok. next time when you get gen rushed by a comp team just control gens better
@@SireK0zy deadlock and corrupt solves that
@@limpyleg1570 oh cool. u just solved the problem of gen rush. i guess all gen rush complaints are illegitimate from now on. thank you for this legend
@@SireK0zy you are very welcome
noob survivors
Sounds like your compensating for no skill
Sounds like you missed the point of the video
And also sounds like you even failed to understand that I'm a survivor main and never play killer
@@SireK0zy imagine being a survivor main💀
@@Pathfinder_6164hat’s the reason you can never understand that most things in the game are unfair & killer sided. Even the event effects were killer sided like you don’t already have powers. Maybe if killer martins wanted the best for the game instead of making it as easy as possible to 4K the game can progress & be better.
@@batonrougehistoryclass5194 maybe if killer martins😂 learn to spell
so killers been losers since day 1 huh smh
i always camp in dbd it fun for me, i dont care about baby-survies
camping a survivor doesn't make them babies tho
8/10 games are killers that camp hooks or proxy hooks for easy kills. In theory this sounds like something a killer would do, but the fact that the killer has unlimited resources while survivors need an entire game of preparation for 1 perk to work, the game is 115% killer sided. You are almost guaranteed to die in almost every game, because the killers perks are almost all broken.
Hook campers play killers that prevent you from running, have fast travel so they can go from hook to hook, teleport, perks that give away your position in real time, injure you, and have hooks within spitting distance of each other making wiggling and wiggling perks nearly useless. Meanwhile survivors have to *literally pray* for *minutes* in a single game to use *1 fucking perk* .
You need to play the game for many hours to even have perks mildly good enough to combat the bullshit that killers have. ( *thats just for 1 fucking character too* otherwise you have to pay for them to get decent perks which you probably don't even know what they do or how to use them if you're new to the game)
This game is just not for new players and the current players make the game so bad its not worth playing anymore.
Higher ELOs have literally 99% hook campers and proxy campers. I can't remember the last time I met a decent killer that wasn't new and didn't camp, its been that long.
Michael Myers' power is *literally staring at people* which allows him to *instantly murder* you if he grabs you at the beginning of the game. You don't get a notification that he's doing it, he's a silent killer, and like every killer in the game, he's faster than you, can increase in speed the longer he chases you, can put on any additional speed perk that he has.
Fuck this game.
lol tell the devs they shouldnt make their maps so unfair...Wrong Killer with wrong loadout on wrong map and a loose is 100% even without regarding any skill of survs! That is just a fact! And as long as you keep denying it, this Problem will not be solved!
>as long as you keep denying
who are you talking to? i never mentioned anything aboout the map design in this video and certenly i didn't deny anything. maps are designed like crap on both sides. or do you maybe wanna talk about the new map and how it's 124% killer sided? i don't because i don't like whataboutism and also it's not the focus of this video.
map design is not the ultimate reason why people camp. they camp because they can and because it works like a charm. after 7 years it's time to admit it and stop looking for exscuses. even if you fix all maps in the world and make them 3 by 3 meters people will still continue to camp.
but yeah you're right. the problem will not be solved. but not because of the maps. it's just for BHVR it's ultimately not a problem at all. they said multiple times that camping is just a strategy in their game and you're free to use it. that's how they designed their game.
@@SireK0zy tl,dr the Map design is what makes Killers camp!Period! Dont read the rest of your BS. And i am talking to you little child !
@@SireK0zy delusional survivor crybaby
sure sure. map design. because there has never been a single killer who camped on a killer-sided map, right? oh wait, no. there have been a lot of such killers. it's just you prefer to live in a bubble and ignore this simple fact. nothing screams more like "I don't understand this game at all" than this. also: you still failed to explaing to me where in the video i said that I deny that map design might sometimes result in camping. i guess you just wrote this angry comment for the sake of being angry. bad day? got juiced by a SWF team or something?