I sold a McLaren with $180,000 in hidden damage...
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2023
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Chris from MAG tells a story of a McLaren they nearly lost their shirt on!
Special thanks to @MiamiMiles for supplying the pics of the clips from the damage while he owned the car!
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Thank you guys for this amazing video of my EX 600LT. I was the first owner of this car and crashed it on Super Bowl Sunday 2020. I was shocked when the insurance did not opt to total the car. The repair touched every single panel and took about 6 months to complete. When I finally received the car, I traded it into Ferrari West Palm. They knew that the car was crashed. I told them. They took ~$20k off to take the trade. They then listed the car without mention of the crash and that is where inevitably the car went to auction.
WOW, honestly I wish there was more recourse here for people. If you are saying they KNOWINGLY took this in with knowledge of the crash that should have totaled the vehicle, and then knowingly miss represented it, I feel like the auction companies lawyers might like to hear from you.
You need to sit on that VinWiki chair ASAP. Your story needs to get out there.
This is why in addition to VINwiki, I post the vin & story on every model specific forum
I'm sure they would. I'd assume they are fairly litigious
Sounds like somebody at Ferrari of Palm Beach has some explaining to do.
don't forget to run it through Tavarish.
I fully expected Freddy to have been the buyer of this wrecked McLaren lol
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Lol. I’d buy one of his cars any day. He’s got everything documented
@@canitbesaved1922that is the key to selling a car.
@@canitbesaved1922he shows you everything not just documented
This is a great example of why you can't rely solely on CarFax
VINWiki is doing god's work for rich guys who want crazy cars. Hopefully it trickles down. Good on this guy's company doing their due diligence, too
True, a good example that surten situations cars get through this loophole
Always poke around
Great testament to the utility of the VINwiki App and the need for Lemon Squad.
Is there ever going to be an app update?
Thanks to you and the gang and VinWiki, it help me find and purchase my first Porsche a few months ago.
Addicted to Porsche now. 😅
Sad that this kind of app doesn't exist here in Germany. I think it wouldn't work because of our horrible privacy policies, like not even the google streetview car isn't allowed to take pictures in 99% of the places and VINs are a big taboo here. Never understood why, I posted mine public multiple times and got muted or banned from the forum shortly after.
Man is that paint color beautiful.
Some one did a hell of a job on the repair at least.
That auto body shop was dancing when that car came through
Not necessarily for some parts of it though. McLarens are known for poor built quality and it's common for the doors to scrape the edge of the front fender when opened/closed.
Since it was run through insurance, the insurance company hide the status. They should have reported the damage.
I got screwed over on my truck due to a similar situation.
Bought the truck with a clean title. It looked great, and nothing was misaligned. I even replaced the headlights with aftermarket ones and everything fit perfect, as it should.
I went to sell it last year. They pulled the carfax up. Major front end damage, including the frame. I thought they were yanking me, but no, he showed me.
The dealership I bought it from claimed they didn’t know anything about it. But the truck sat at that dealership for a few months before I bought it. So any delay in reporting would’ve already been through. They held off on reporting it until after I bought it.
Even the guy at the dealership I bought my car at said the dealership I bought my truck at is 1 of 2 in the area known for pulling shady stuff like that.
And that wasn’t the first shady thing they did with me. When I first bought the truck, the brakes started binding and went out. Luckily, when they went out, I was pulling into a parking lot so I wasn’t hurt, nor was anyone else or their property. I was able to safely roll to a stop with the little brake pressure I had.
Come to find out, looking closer at pictures I took when I first bought the truck, they never did the legally required brake inspection that they said they did. The rotors were pitted, and the pads were thin as hell. Not only that, the brakes went out because a pad wasn’t clipped in properly, slipped out of the caliper, and the piston made direct contact with the rotor and cracked, letting all my brake fluid out.
That’s sketchy enough on it’s own, right? Well it gets even worse. When I contacted them, they were trying to blow me off, until they heard 2 sets of words. “Legally required brake inspection” and “lawyer”. Then they started working with me very quickly. BUT they still managed to screw me over. They reimbursed me for parts, and agreed to give me a free oil change whenever I wanted to get one done (one time). Well, I called them up about 8 months later to get that done. They claimed they had no knowledge of any such offer, and that I would’ve gotten a coupon in the mail if I were actually given that.
This is when I talked to the senior manager or whatever the dipstick’s name is, and started going off on them. And he had the nerve to start cussing me out. Now I’ve told everyone I know to tell everyone they know to spread the word:
Ewald Venus Ford in SE Wisconsin are a bunch of lying, thieving, scummy people that will put your life in danger without a second thought if it means they can take your money and give you a hunk of junk. DO NOT GO TO EWALD VENUS FORD.
Vinwiki needs to update the car fax as a company and make sure it notates all the repairs
I believe this sold at Chicago motorcars a few weeks back. Was listed for 210k...
One big vinwiki ad lol
I like this guys stories! We need more Chris!
This is what happens when salesmen sell cars that haven’t been looked over by a technician. As a technician, there have been plenty of instances where a salesman sold a car that haven’t been through the shop yet. Almost every time there turns out to be repairs needed or accident damage found
I saw a 2021 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi, 4X4 & lockers listed for 9k. It was missing the bed & rear window. Got there & the front fender was loose, but I checked the frame & there was absolutely zero sign of damage or repair to it. I assumed a small fender bender front & rear perhaps? AC wouldnt come on either. Talked him down to $7500 cash. Right before I did the deal, I googled the vin. It had been rolled! No wonder the frame was fine, its the roof / passenger compartment that got fudged up!
This happened to me once on a much lower priced vehicle. Bought a "Certified Used" vehicle but the previous insurance company never reported the $20k damage on a $40k car until after I registered the vehicle. Found out when I went to trade the vehicle in and they said it had been in an accident. Fortunately I was trading in at the same dealership so I asked if so, why the hell didnt you tell me. They bought it back for a reasonable price, I didn't bother telling them the rear differential was dead because it had been damaged in the accident.
Ive been shouting about this issue with car fax for years
I will say Christopher is a stand up guy as is the management at his dealer group. They took care of me with an issue I had with Stellantis.
Remember this phrase "Diminished Value*"!
* Previously damaged vehicle is less valuable compared to a similar vehicle with a clean history.
My favorite type of claim! Nobody knows about this 😊
What was the most disappointing thing you learned after you had already bought a car?
saw the guy who sold me his car hop into his new trade which had been sitting around for who knows how long and flooring it in race mode
At 15 I bought a charger was so happy the engine blew 3 days later and I’m 18 now looking at it everyday😢
Cracked windshield. Bought it in the rain. Once the rain stopped, so did my party !
Got a car on a barter, and got the old title to the car, and the owner wouldn’t get the new title for me. Completely ignored me.
The paint job. Purchased a new, Ford Ranger from, Honlulu Ford dealership in Hawaii. After purchase and bringing the car home. Took a closer inspection and discoverd, an orange peal coating effect, on the lower portions of the vehicle. Took it back to the dealer as the orange peel skin effect is indicitive of, moisture contanmination in the applied paint coatings by the factory. They made up and invented all kinds of reasons for the obvious look of the mousture contaminated paint, and maybe a factory attempt to repair? Sales people always seem to be full of, S***.
Other than being misrepresented, what’s wrong with it if it’s been repaired to 100% OEM quality?
Saw an aventador SV in a rare verde singh color listed at a very reputable dealer, looked at vin on VINwiki and it was backed into by a truck. Carfax is clean. But hood and fender were replaced and repainted.
You really need to do more than check internet companies. A real pre-purchase inspection is needed by someone who really knows the marque. I had a 350Z that I bought used. Didn't show up on carfax for 3 years. I knew it had been in a front end crash because the blend lines were so obvious.
Please bring up the volume on these videos a little. 7-10% would be fine. Have a good day, and thanks.
Please no, I already listen at almost lowest volume.
Insurance company spent 180k to fix the car but non of that is on the Carfax… sounds fishy. All cars from Florida are fishy, literally and figuratively.
There are ways around reporting. Case-in-point.
Never trust or any of these reports online. Physical inspection of the vehicle by someone that knows what they're looking for is key. Even if painted by professionals and a great shop, there will still be signs of the repair.
Isn’t that what dealers should do?
@@rk22cc Yes they should but they rarely catch everything. I recently picked up a newer truck a couple months back. It was dealer inspected and they said it was good to go. Once I started driving down the interstate I noticed the front hubs were bad. It wasn't very loud but I knew what the sound was from past experience. Luckily they're a reputable dealer and fix the problem quickly. But that's why you should always have someone that's a neutral party look at it if you're not one to catch those things yourself.
Basically a vin wiki ad lol
How does this not show up on the carfax?
This has happened to me before. Amazingly, it was a Florida car! Many years ago I bought a 2008 BMW 525I from a Ohio dealer who showed me a clean Carfax and title! Luckily the car was still under warranty. I had the car for about 6 months of which half the time it was at the dealer ship getting repaired for free! After some very expensive parts were replaced I did some digging and found out my car was involved in a major accident! Not sure how they managed to keep this hidden with all the repairs that had to be done before I bought it. All ended well though I traded the car in for a brand new one and even got $2000.00 more on the trade than what I paid! By this time though the 5 Series was in very good shape. $mile and do your homework before you spend your hard earned dollars...!
What a shame. That's a gorgeous car, and if it's been properly repaired it's going to make a screaming deal for someone...at the right price.
182k of professional repair work is basically a brand new car...those cars are basically hand built.......so i dont see why people are fussing about a smashed car....welll maybe the price....but i understand the dealer consumer obligation...and ethics involved
But overall that maclaren is in great condition with all original parts , and a clean condition report. Not a bad buy
Wouldnt buy a car of that calibre without spending the money to check everything possible about the car and definitely would never buy a car with a wrap on it.
Clearfilm is another name for PPF, Paint Protection Film. It's not a vinyl wrap at all.
since PPF cost a sizable amount, and repainting these cars cost even more, I 100% want PPF
My 2020 f150 was side swiped from wheel well to wheel well. Wasn't on the carfax when i sold it.
Man plugged all the sponsors
What a beautiful car!
Any LT McLaren means rod through block
I mean, if everything's fixed and fixed right
I was at a GM dealer in Ohio that said they don't report to carfax because if one of their mechanics puts the mileage down wrong they could get sued. You really can't trust anyone.
Apparently you didn’t do your due diligence, certainly wouldn’t buy a car from you!
I will say that dollar amount (of the repair) alone should not be a consideration in the value of the vehicle after an accident. We all know the sum of the parts is worth less than individually. If a replacement carbon fiber bumper costs $32k, then a "$32,000 repair could just mean that someone gently hit a curb, not that you should be one bit concerned about the integrity of the vehicle. The fact that the airbags deployed is probably a better indication of severity of accident than is cost.
I once traded a car with a dealer who after it was done asked me if they should sell it on the lot or auction it. It isn’t me admitting anything, but if there was something wrong with it then they didn’t want to sell it to someone. I thought it was a sign the dealer was trying to sell nice cars because some are scummy but I agree many don’t know there is something wrong.
You guys gotta be doing massive volume with that auction for them to take an L that massive. Your average wholesaler buyer will get told to pound sand even inside the arbitration window over anything short of actual frame damage.
Can’t believe insurance didn’t total that car. My insurance company wants to total my boat for a single broken window. They also want to give me less than what they themselves valued it at for it
How is the carfax clean?
Accident caused by the owner, nobody else involved. Car repaired to 100% OEM specs and parts.
Yes, an accident happened. But it was apparently the 1-2% of the time it is actually fixed properly, like it should, to retain its clean title.
The issue in the entire industry is the other 98% of the time where corners are cut and workmanship is poor. To make it worse, dealers always toss all paperwork on the vehicle in the trash to allow themselves to lie. It's also why you should always buy from a private party or a specialist that does retain the history on something that is collectible. If it was me, I'd offer 10-20 percent LESS for a car like this from the dealer because it didn't have any history or paperwork with it. Imagine buying an old Porsche and not having any documentation. That means even if it was replaced, you have to assume that the IMS bearing wasn't fixed. And on something like a McLaren, well, those "oops, not ever serviced" gotchas are very pricey indeed.
What were the last 6 #'s of this car?
Moral of the story get it fixed and sell it quick.
Whoever sold it to the auction should be the one to eat the cost. They should’ve done their due diligence. I think they were the ones who were as transparent as they could’ve/should’ve been. If the repair was done properly and up to factory specs, if not better than, then the car itself isn’t tainted but spending that amount of money on a car tho not only would you want “new” but expecting perfection and simplicity with the transaction is a huge part as well. Then being this fluid, able to adjust and address, with this customer might just have landed them a customer for life. Even if he moves across the states, these buyers will remember how this transaction went and how your dealership handled all these “issues” or bumps in the road. If they can afford a car like this then going thru another transaction with a familiar face might just be worth that extra $2,000-2,500 for a trustworthy transportation company that maybe this dealership would suggest. I’m sure if they handled his disappointment this well that delivery in any lower 48 states wouldn’t be anything but easy. Being in the car sales business you have to treat every customer, buyer or “just looking”, with not only the upmost respect and honesty but appreciation for their purchase means you get to eat better, business grows from repeat customers, and the good word of your rep makes it where you don’t even have to advertise mostly. Like this video!
I rarely like the bright color flashy neon paint & wrap jobs BUT this McLaren is GORGEOUS!!
F-ing shame it was damn near totaled out with 4k miles 🤦🏻♂️
If someone keeps telling you a car "Has a clean Carfax" watch out...
Everyone has that expectation to not be misled.
Really?
We can figure out when a car has had 5k worth of work at our dealership
You guys inspection at the dealership couldn’t figure out 182k in damages ?
Seems like a pretty weak QC process .
No way a car has that much damage and u can’t figure it out
This was a dealer to dealer transaction through an auction. I am not sure they did a PPI.
@@MrWarren1991 I’m talking about an inspection after dealer in the dealerships Service department
It is indeed possible that a vehicle is repaired to 100% OEM specs, but it's insanely rare to ever find one. But to be fair, for 180K in repairs, I'd kind of expect it to be basically a factory fresh vehicle.
If you’ve ever seen a McLaren come off the assembly line, brand new McLarens have paint defects, misaligned panels leather problems, and what not. It is simply far too
common for a new mclaren to not be perfect so when you’re looking at a used car, you sort of accept it
@@BLProd11 Well, I wasn't going to mention it.. lol. Obviously if you want a real supercar, you don't get something hand-built and hope that the trainees weren't in the shop that day. I love the cars, but would never own one as the stories I've heard about them are almost endless.
What auction did the right thing and bought it back?
The US needs something like the DVLA
How much did that guys insurance premiums increase after the repairs
This is a tavarish / hoodie car! Let’s get to it guys!
Its amazong how many cars we buy in from auction that have either very well done accident repairs obvious by the clearly new suspension and wheels etc and still done have a mark against them or how many badly repaired ones again no mark against them
What’s the name of the dealerships? I have a 570s I’m looking to trade in and get into a huracan
No you don’t
This is just one big ad for vin wiki lol😂
...and one big repeated comment, nearly verbatim..
This feels like the perfect Ed car
So around 10 years ago I was in my jeep Cherokee xj driving down the freeway at 70 and a gold Toyota Sedan Bumped in to me and pushed me in to a Lexus My tires went up the Lexus door I was side to side and thrown off the freeway exit Long story short my Jeep was totaled the Lexus was totaled and the Toyota had a Max insurance coverage of $10K Now that was way more than enough to cover my jeep but was probably less then Half of what the Lexus was worth And After a month or so of me going back and forth with the insurance company i ended up with Some Money and I Kept the Jeep now the point of me sharing this is due to the limited coverage of the at fault party I was able to keep my jeep with a clean title and never showed anything on the car fax even 2-3 Years later when I traded it in at the jeep dealer
This reminds me why I got out of the car business
Lucky he found it before he bought it lol
The insurance company should take the hit for misrepresenting the car. And just goes to show...carfax means nothing!
If everything has been properly replaced and not repaired, the car is actually brought back to spec and close to its original value. Its not like a violin top where the actual piece is a uniqe handcrafted part where there is no other identical part at all. Cars without any historical value are only a bunch of parts which can be replaced by any identical part and does not change the market value in my opinion.
The problem is the auction house, the dealer that bought it and the end buyer were not told it was salvaged, repaired/replaced. When you're paying that much money for a car, you want it straight from the factory. The prices for resale come from rarity and how original they are. It's because of this that guys like Tavarish, Hoovie and Ed can do what they can eith depreciated cars.
@@danielseelye6005 Except - if you can show it's been restored or repaired to OEM specs, then it's still a clean title car and yes, the same value as a non-crashed one, because all the crash damage is fixed with arguably newer parts than the originals. Provided you can show the paperwork on the repairs, of course. The issue is almost no shops do a proper job, they cut corners, and insurance companies use knock-off parts all the time to save money. Add in the fakers and con artists everywhere and it's rare to find a car that's been repaired properly. So I get it. But it can happen that it's actually fixed instead of faked. Apparently this was done correctly, so.. it's a 600LT with a clean title.
Condition reports on fine violins ($1m+) are a normal part of business. Every Strad and del Gesù has a soundpost patch and lots of touchup.
Pre purchase inspection on any car is a good idea!
@@violinmiata yes of course. As they cannot be replaced and keeping originality the only way to preserve them is a repair. On cars you just unscrew parts and replace with new. After that the car had zero damage like a new one. A repair on a body part (like a patch) would decrease value significantly unless the damaged part is non replacable (James Dean has a signature on it or similar) so if every damage has been replaced i see no reason for a decreased value. Only thing is that peopke know it had an accident and thats why they are not willing to pay so much, but that is not about the car.
@@tamas7555 agreed, a factory quality repair shouldn’t be part of the price. Some people want originality. I try find my cars in great condition regardless of previous accidents. My e60 was in a front end collision before I bought it, got it checked out and it’s 100%, the bonus is that it had two new headlights, bumper and all the paint had been cut and polished. Saved money on the deal and got a nicer car.
Making and dealing violins is my job. You would be shocked to see some CAT scans and UV light photos of some of the most well documented and revered old Cremonese violins!
They Currently Selling This Car For 290k
Tavarish - "How much do you want for it?"
Why not sell cars like that if they're fixed properly?
Lol if that guy would have actually bought it the dealership would have never helped them to this degree
Don't let Tavarish know about this McLaren.
Vin Wiki got more intel than car fax, thats a fact
that is an amazing color
I was watching this car for a while a couple weeks ago and wondering why the heck lumanaire green was going for so cheap..... Well well well.....
BTW: When is Car Trek going to do Eastern block cars? (Asking for a friend....okay, it's me!) I LOVE me an old Lada because it's more of an adventure when it's running and driving than being broken down on the side of the road. The steering wheel is more of a suggestion than an actual method of guiding the vehicle, it barely has enough power to get out of it's own way, and let us not forget, the World Famous Lada Asymmetrical Braking system which is a standard feature on all their cars! Every time you press the brake pedal, each of the four wheels decides on it's own whether or not it wants to brake that time; FUN!!!
Lol!
what a shame.... that is a BEA U Tiful spec Mclaren
Remember the used car dealers credo - CAVEAT EMPTOR
I just went to get the vinwiki app for my galaxy z fold 4, because of this video and the play store says it is made for an older version of android. 😢 can I please help you maintain your phone apps for vinwiki so that no one else runs into this problem in the future?
But it Ed's case he wants the lemon squad to tell him how terrible the car is.
Not defending guy in anyway, but a new mclaren is probably delivered with wrench marks misaligned panels, and mismatched hardware
This is 100% true.
lol my boy was going to buy this car last year, and he checked some other company other than carfax n it showed this damage n he bailed on it
I actually bought car there had accident damage but it was so well repaired that no one ever knew until I ran in to the owner and he told me all about the car 😂 I sold that car so quickly for next to nothing. I took my cars to the same shop thst fixed that one coz they are that good 😂
Question: Would this be something that would be caught by The Lemon Squad? How thourough is their online research when checking out a car for a potential buyer?
That's not a small repair or a small bill to miss looks like you guys are not doing a pretty good job
Carfax is great but after working for Carfax, the suck as an employer.
…….and no. 5, Sell it to Ed………….🙈
So what? If it was repaired and your happy with that and its a good deal what’s the problem?
i mean if the car is repair correctly then i dont really see the probleme
I mean 25-30k discount isn’t that good for 180k damage lol
The 180k in damage had been repaired. It didn't need 180k in repairs still. If the repair had been properly repaired it is nearly impossible to tell it had been wrecked.
@@TriCountyMotorsEastman car that’s costs 280k had 180k in repairs. I don’t care how good of repairs they are I’m not paying 240-250k for a car that should have been totaled…. Discount needs to be 30-40 percent any other car would have been salvage or rebuilt title..
@@clintmiller88 have you ever worked in a body shop? I'm guessing not. what I can tell you is that often cars getting totaled depend on the adjuster, shop, and customer. Some adjusters are inflexible, but with many whether or not cars with that percentage of repairs needed get totalled depends on the shop and customer. If both of them want to do a repair ones in that shape will not get totalled. Alternatively if both want to total it out ones with significantly less damage will get totalled.
Also while you might pay different, as a general rule, a car with structural/frame damage but a clean title is discounted a certain amount with is not as much ad a car with the same or less damage than one that has salvage history. Documentation (pictures or video) showing everything was properly repaired can also lessen the amount it is discounted.
But this is just my experience of over a decade in both used car dealerships and body shops.
It’s not like it has a salvaged title. High end cars with accidents but still clean title you’ll have the discount the price a little bit but not much.
It’s not like it has a salvaged title. High end cars with accidents but still clean title you’ll have the discount the price a little bit but not much.
I’m in Memphis there’s these Mexicans & shade tree hood shops in north Memphis that can make a car look like it’s never been in an accident. And that carfax/bumper shit won’t help you there 😂 that’s why I hate buying cars here gotta be extra paranoid & double-check everything. That’s why I’m glad my last 2 have been from out of state……none of them issues
Chewing gum during an interview... Big no no.
ED I saw what you did there... hhhhhh
Little dig at normal guy super car
States should have laws that hold the original seller accountable. No matter how many hands it has gone through. The original seller should be responsible for financial damages if it's proven that they knew about damages and didn't report them.
Thats a interesting thought.
10 minute ad that you cant skip? Damn… lol jk
4th
Awful colour
So basically Ed and VinWiki are heroes. That was my takeaway
Early
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