Why I'm Protestant: Dr. Gavin Ortlund
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In today’s episode, I chat with Dr. Gavin Ortlund about his new book, “What It Means To Be Protestant: The Case For an Always-Reforming Church.”
These days many evangelicals are exploring the more sacramental, liturgical, and historically-conscious church traditions, including Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. This hunger for historical rootedness is a welcome phenomenon--but unfortunately, many assume that this need can only be met outside of Protestant contexts.
In What it Means to Be Protestant, Gavin Ortlund draws from both his scholarly work in church history and his personal experience in ecumenical engagement to offer a powerful defense of the Protestant tradition. Retrieving classical Protestant texts and arguments, he exposes how many of the contemporary objections leveled against Protestants are rooted in caricature. Ultimately, he shows that historic Protestantism offers the best pathway to catholicity and historical rootedness for Christians today.
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Thank you for another awesome video, Becket! Love to see Gavin Outland back on your show again.
Very happy surprise to see Ortlund at your channel again!
Another intelligent and interesting discussion introducing a new book well worth reading. This man is very measured and fair when tackling contentious subjects. Thank you Becket.
I've been really struggling with the various Christian branches and this is much needed
Excellent.
Always enjoy your show.
I'm subscribing to Dr. Ortland now!
Love your show
throughly a great conversation....
Shows. Both are great.
Being myself born again in the early 70’s, I was very ignorant of church history and theology; you were actually accused of having a“religious spirit” if you wanted to study it. Now at 71 I’m craving it. Keep reforming ❤️
Love you Becket! Your show is great!
Thanks Dr. ORTLAND. Great job Beckett!
Thank you Gavin and Becket, very helpful. I really struggle with some of our Catholic friend’s beliefs.
Some are unbiblical, ie, praying to the saints and Mary. It’s so obviously wrong. Praying for people after they’ve died. Too late I’m afraid.
It’s the true Church. Watch Keith Nestor story, Protestant Pastor now Catholic. He has utube channel.
@@bluebear107 catholics always say "whatch so-and-so who converted from protestant to catholic" I see it so many times on the comment section. How about "read the scripture and see why we're right" ? Can you say that?
@@bonivermectin4087Protestant started 1517. Catholic religion started 33 AD.
My two fav people!!!!
I have mixed feelings both about Frances Chan and Gavin Ortlund, but always look forward to your episodes, Beckett and your salvation story gives me hope for loved ones who are “in the far country”.
Repent and believe the gospel. Everybody needs Jesus. Only Jesus can save and change lost sinners. Jesus wins and the devils lose be on Jesus's side.
7:02 in French Roman Catholic churches, even today, only a little piece of cake (ostie) is given. Only the priest take the wine.
The same in Latin America where I grew up as a Catholic, you only get wafer and not the wine.
Blessings this should be interesting ✝️
Two in a row, I can back Ortlund on the papacy. The office as we know it today (or more accurately knew it in the 20th Century because it is changing again) is an early medieval invention.
Looking for more church history books.
This was a very thought provoking theological discussion for sure. 🤔
I see you’re not wearing your uniform 💁🏻♂️ today and I’m here for it! For the record I think you would look fabulous in a deep purple, maroon or emerald green color. I will be in shock if you ever wear one. Surely you have some colors in your closet from all of the Sundays you did brunch and Barney’s.
Most Christians misunderstand Paul's attitude toward marriage and sex, which is where Ortlund brought up 1 Corinthians 7. Paul, like Jesus before him, was an apocalypticist, who believed the end of the world was imminent. (that's one reason so little of the NT is devoted to family life and raising children) So for Paul, sex in any form was a temptation to sin and the most important thing was to be sinless as possible when Judgement Day comes next year or the year after that. So it's better not to have sex at all, but it's better to marry than to burn with desire, and it's better if you're married to do it often enough that neither of you are tempted to go sin with someone else. Sex is just a sideshow that Paul has to deal with, not the main event..
Your interpreting of Paul is so wrong...
@@chrisgreen2299 It's based on his own letters. Would you like to discuss the matter?
The Catholic Church is the true Church.
John Calvin: “Sinners in the hands of an Angry God”??
Darn! I’m only the fourth comment. 😔 lol
Ah finally we reach a subject on which I can back Ortlund, the canon. For instance, Revelation, so beloved by evangelicals, was the last book added to the canon for a reason, it contains none of the teaching of Jesus Christ but is instead of a genre of apocalyptic literature very popular in the 2nd Century. (sorry Rapture fans, there is no basis whatsoever for what you think is in the Bible)
Really? Wow
@@DebraFrieden-pn6ci Yes really, the Rapture is a 19th Century doctrine found almost exclusively in America today
I was hoping that he would have addressed the biggest objection to Protestantism, namely, that it is hopelessly fragmented and endlessly fragmenting. It effectively ignores the prayer of Jesus in John 17 that they may be one. I don't necessarily think a return to Rome is the answer, but it can certainly learn from Rome's commitment to unity, not to mention its liturgical genius.
And how scared Holy Communion is as well as kneeling to pray.
He may not have addressed it here but he has addressed it in other videos on his channel. 😊
The idea of an exclusive path to God is a feature of Christianity, not a bug as they say. So "heresy" however you may define that deviation from the norm is as much Protestant as it is Catholic or Orthodox, For instance Ortlund never discusses the terrible, terrible plans Martin Luther had to kill or enslave all the Jews of Europe (luckily he died soon after he drew them up). "On the Jews and Their Lies" was Luther's Nazi opus. He was actually used in Nazi propaganda, so well known was his hatred for Judaism.
Wasn't that at the end of his life?
Kind of like when my mom started following people to stare at their hats.
Her personality changed due to aging and possible a uti. It Wasn't dementia but some of the things she said were nutty
@@georgewagner7787 Even if that is true, a public proclamation by a man of his stature wasn't questioned. You don't have to believe me. You can find copies of his work in English by a search quite easily.
It not about Martin Luther. It's about the sins of the Catholic church. They allowed false teachings to enter the church.
@@chrisgreen2299 So is the murder and enslavement of Jews then a TRUE teaching of the Church?
Ortlund says there was a huge influx of people with a pagan background coming into the church in the 4th Century. That actually began with Paul, or doesn't he understand the meaning of "Apostle to the Gentiles"? In fact, nearly ALL of the early church fathers came from pagan backgrounds, and were usually well schooled in Greek philosophy. If you read for instance the Didache, you get a feel for how the mixture of Jewish followers of Jesus being invaded by the pagan followers of Paul are trying to sort things out between them. (which is also the basis of much of Acts)
"much about actual church history"...you're getting carried away brother....he is very well versed. Take a look at his channel. Be a little humble...he would issue further explanations if he was pushed on it....for example, just because he mentioned others with pagan backgrounds flooded the church, how does that make Paul's time a contradiction? He's simply explaining the obvious explosion of the church following Rome's conversion, which DID see many many more from pagan backgrounds join the fold....
@@angru_arches You don't get it, Christian theology as we know it today was quite literally written by people with pagan backgrounds. You could say in some sense that Paul himself was the only major Christian theologian who did NOT come from a pagan background, until the 3rd/4th Century or so.
I think the difference here is the slow trickle of people becoming believers when it was illegal and persecuted vs tolerated and legalized. The influx of believers increased upon legalization of practice.
@@keepclimbing2015 It's a misperception that Christianity was illegal The first time that happened was the Edict of Milan in 313 AD Before that there were individual persecutions in local areas, but Christianity itself was never illegal. The persecutions were usually based on refusal to do something required by Roman law, rather than being a Christian. For instance if a Roman soldier declared he would no longer fight because he was a Christian, he would be executed. Other times it might have been a refusal to pay taxes, or offer token obeisance to the emperor.
So when are you having Megan Basham on?
He had her on not too long ago.
He did, 2 months ago...why?
@@bethanyfaber2012There was a controversy re Megan’s recent book, “Shepherds for Sale”, which mentioned Gavin, perhaps in an unflattering light.
@@nutricoach7947It did not feature Gavin. He was a tiny blip near the end of chapter 1. That’s it.
He already did. You can put your snark away now.
You should have asked him why someone who claims to believe in God's omniscience and Sovereignty "worries" about climate change.
No, no, no, this is all wrong, the issues over filioque were not raised anywhere until 400- 500 years after the first councils in Constantinople. I had an elementary school teacher who used to yell "bad English hurts my ears! when kids failed to use proper grammar. As a historian of more than 45 years, I get that same feeling watching this interview.
He said “I think” you could just kindly put a good reference up
@@joyf5539 Ok fair enough. He gets a pass on that one.
I pray for Beckett to come home to the Catholic Church. It is so wonderful to be able to receive the body and blood of Jesus at Mass. Beckett, I hope you will consider asking Joshua T. Charles on your show. He was an Evangelical Protestant who saw that Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are not in Scripture, so he read the writings of the Church Fathers and was shocked by how Catholic they were. He is not alone. My Bible teacher was also a Protestant who read the Church Fathers and knew he had to become Catholic, and many other Protestants have had similar experiences and conversions to the Catholic Church.
Seek Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The Pope is not of Christ.
@@chrisgreen2299 All Catholics know that the Pope is not Jesus. Please stop bearing false witness.
@@HumanDignity10if you actually read his comment you would see he didn't say what you think he said. Grace and peace 🙏🏿
Why I’m Catholic. Cause Jesus Christ founded it. Upon Peter I will build my CHURCH. Watch Keith Nestor, Protestant Pastor turned Catholic. Absolutely Amazing. He seen the Light.
The Eucharist Is idolatry. I humbly recommend Dave Hunt’s ‘The Two Babylons’.