Are Protestants Christians According to Catholics? (Second of Five Conversations)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I had the chance to sit down with my friend, Catholic theologian Dr. Jeremy Holmes, and we processed about a zillion questions about Catholic theology, Protestantism, and the Reformation. He's a smart, gracious guy and I think you'll enjoy this part of the conversation regardless of what you think about stuff.
This is PART TWO of a FIVE PART series of conversations
Here are links to all five parts of this series:
Part 1 (Where we compare notes about big picture similarities and differences between Protestants and Catholics) - • A Protestant Talks Wit...
Part 2 (Where I ask if Catholics believe Protestants are Christians) - • Are Protestants Christ...
Part 3 (Where I ask about Catholic beliefs about Mary) - • A Protestant Asks a Ca...
Part 4 - (Where I ask about praying to saints) - • Praying to the Saints?...
Part 5 - (Where I ask about violence in the name of the church) - • Is Violence In the Nam...
Gigantic thanks to everyone who supports this channel at / tmbh
Sometimes I have thoughts about how cool it would be if Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox all got together, bowed our heads and just asked God to forgive us for creating a mess, and that we all humbly come to each other and sort out all of our issues one by one, eventually leading us to worship together. But it's just a dream, maybe when we're with our Lord in heaven we'll get it together :).
I think it was CS Lewis who once put forth the idea that the closer one gets to God in any of the branches, the closer one is to those of equal nearness in other branches. Its almost as if we are all attached to the same vine.
@@matthayes533 I think this also can happen even with other religions!
If CHRIST is The Way, The Truth and The Life and we are all (regardless of our tradition or experience) Exalt Him then we would be spending less time analyzing and criticizing each other.
I think that "Protestants" cease to be such when they stop protesting, and Catholics become such when they start.
As eastern faith goes, Eastern churches are welcomed in to Catholicism with lots of fanfare and get to retain their rites and traditions. See the union of Brest and others for the 23 churches of the Catholic Church.
To a lesser extent, but in a similar vein, Anglicans that have come into the Catholic Church have been allowed to retain their particular use, also SSPX that has a checkered history, was allowed back as the FSSP and get to continue the traditions of pre vatican II.
@@matthayes533 We are attached to the same vine! 🙂 But unfortunately the branches tend to look at each other and say "I'm closer to the tree than you are".
This dialogue fills my heart. I'm a Catholic with a profound love for my people, Protestants and all. I wish there could be more of this.
Love your neighbors as you love yourself...there you have it !
I think in the future all of the churches will reconcile there differences and become one church again. I've learned a lot about Marry and the saints and it's different from what I heard as a child growing up in the Baptist church. So that has stuck with me, the priest role I'm still confused and the communion I'm still confused on. Purgatory is something I'm interested in learning about. But I think people need an open mind and I think we're gonna get there.
@@braxtonbearden835there is no purgatory. Indulgences are a farce. Rome says she’s the only way to Salvation. Repent and turn to God.
extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
@@braxtonbearden835 May we all be one some day! God bless
@@braxtonbearden835 Both doctrines may be difficult for protestants to understand... But! Research about them, learn what they are and where they reside in the early Church.
Patrístic is very important to understand certain doctrines
I may be able to explain the eucharist but purgatory is a bit more complicated
When he was talking about "Uncle Louie" that brought me right back to the Sunday in 2018 after the scandals broke. I was so close to not going to church that day, I was in such deep despair but I went. In mass the gospel was Peter say to Jesus "where else shall we go, you have the words of eternal life". And the priest almost crying talking about the truth in those words more than ever. We are not Catholic because of any priest or theologian, we are Catholic because of Jesus. Thank you for this video.
Why do you say it was 2018 that the scandals broke? It's been close to two decades (2002) since the scandals came to public light.
@@tintinismybelgian The Pitsburg grand jury report was what I was referring to, In my memory those are the only ones, as I was only I child in 2002. Sorry for the confusion
@@tintinismybelgian Google Carlo Viganò and Theodore McCarrick and so on
@@tintinismybelgian That's when I finally began to realize the Pope and Bishops cannot be trusted. I thank God I was at a conference and got to talk with Dr. David Anders of "Called to Communion". He told me became Catholic because of the Truth of the faith. He wasn't surprised by the corruption at all but rather surprised by the few bishops who are really holy men.
There have been many waves of misdeeds by the Catholic Church in the millennia of its existence. As a Catholic, I have been heartbroken each time. The occasion you mention is one of the waves I remember well. I too thought of leaving Catholicism. And I too heard Peter's rhetorical response to Christ. Where else could I go? I do not in any way condone the evil actions that members of my Church family have done. But I have not become Catholic because of them. I became Catholic because of the good things I have learned and seen, and because of the good things I know to be true. And because of the comfort I feel at Mass, because of the Presence of Christ. My heart tells me this is where I belong, and this is where I will stay. God bless my Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ.
I was brought up a Catholic. But spent most of my adult life going to protestant and Pentecostal churches. I carried with me the absolute belief in what Jesus said in John ch6. I absolutely believe it. If you should ever find yourself in a Catholic church alone, go and praise Christ in front of the tabernacle. I have done this, while attending protestant churches and it is powerful, prayerful, beautiful. Like so much in the Catholic church, God is so much greater than the people. I have gone back in my old age. I would love all people to see the Grace of God in all the sacraments.
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That’s mortal sin, you need to repent.
You should know it is a grave sin to attend heretical services (not my opinion, official catholic teaching). Do not commit sacrilege by receiving the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin. Get to confession.
@@mathieuconklin3146 By no means go worship God to a place where people disagree in matters that have nothing to do with the essential purpose of Christ's sacrifice. Makes absolutely no sense.
@@luisvargas9893 All sin is mortal.
Question from the intro is answered at 14:33
Thank you!
Atheist here but I love these videos and hearing other views on this matter
@@willemgloudemans1442 i'm not christain but imo thinking there isnt a god, or some form of higher power is redundant. the universe is FAR too complex for their not to be some ultimate form of order. now that said "god" could be an energy between all of us, or something we are not meant to understand. but in the end, i believe their HAS to be SOME form of "god".
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@@willemgloudemans1442 hey I hope you research christianity here are some material watch Associates for bible research and answers in genesis and genesis apologetics and bible project and aoc network playlist on eschatology and typology and apologetics press and living waters .
As one who totally gets the atheist point of view, here's my questions and what I'd have to say.
One, if there is a divine creator/s would you want to know that, Him, Her, or They? If not, then there's nothing to bother with, if you do, then here's the next part. Second, if you could come to know and believe in a God/creator, would you be willing to work at getting to know Him, and His will and intention for your life, and then work to follow and obey Him in his way, and acknowledge and ask forgiveness when you don't, with the intention to change your ways, asking Him for help? If you would answer yes to both of those things, then all you have to do is say God, if you are real, will you help me know it, and ultimately know you?
For me what I believe is what I've come to know. What I know is God loves you and wants relationship with you, and if your not sure about that, but would want to know if it's true, ask him for that also, in a leap of faith if you have to. A really good book by a once Atheist journalist for the Chicago Tribune if I tembef right, is "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel.
My advice, if you take this journey, is that you understand it's a marathon not a sprint. At times you'll feel like it's a sprint, at other times you'll be camping out in need of aide. If your someone who operates If
I would also say, if you take the Christian journey and operate better in intellect and study with defined principals,. Look to a more Orthodox Church, my highest suggestion is the Catholic Church. However, if you're more into free spirit and emotional expression, than an evangelical, or non denominational is best. There's really a lot of inbetweens. As long as the bible is taught you can learn, but not all teaching is sound because of assumptions and interpretation. Honestly if you take the journey, just keep asking God to lead you where he wants you, if you get uncomfortable ask Him if it's something in you, or something in the church you're at, and whether to stay or Go, pray or speak up.
I hate to say it, but all the church and theological diversity can be tough to navigate. Use your head, trust your gut, and never be afraid to talk with God, and ask for help. If that's a journey you come to that is.
Amen. As a Catholic I've been called a cult member. Etc. And I know it goes both ways. Lol. Just glad there is still conversation.
🙏 decrement 😁
lol!! I’m not even Catholic but the Catholic Church is literally the central default church in the history of Christianity. The other branches were the ones that broke off
Beware of false teachings.
What?! Catholics may be a lot of things, but cult isn't one of them. They are so big and mainstream. They are the most mainstream group that Christianity has. There are other denominations that do give me cult vibes. They are Amish, Mennonite, Jehovahs Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, Christian Science and Mormon. Learning about them makes me appreciate Catholics so much more. They do have issues with tyranny, particularly during the Dark Ages and Protestant Reformation. However Catholics are unable to isolate followers from the mainstream society. They are the mainstream. So relativly speaking the potential tyranny of Catholics isn't that bad.
Hello, I’m a revert to Catholicism and it’s been the best decision I’ve made. I feel more connected and balanced than ever before.
That's great! Though it shouldn't matter how it makes you feel. It's great that you feel connected and balanced, but that is worrisome if that is the main reason you're catholic because as soon as you don't feel that way anymore, you will go to different churches until you feel connected again. The truth is objective no matter our feelings. Many saints went through long periods of feeling disconnected and kept strong in the faith despite that. God bless
@@mathieuconklin3146 thank you for your viewpoint! I had stopped attending mass but even then didn’t consider visiting Protestant churches. And wouldn’t consider switching either. I’m Catholic through good and bad times. I am older so this could be why I feel differently than when I was young.
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God bless your decision. We're better with you among us.
Connected to what, and balanced in what way? The issue is whether we believe in Christ as our savior, John 3:16 et al.
Being a Catholic priest, I enjoyed this conversation. I'm reaching out to the Church of England these days to know them more. Last year I was in of their Churches and I was really impressed. I always treated everyone my brothers as I have seen so in our atmosphere (except by non practicing or fanatic Catholics). It's really good talking with our brothers and sisters and praying with them!
You are a heretical priest, modernist, make yourself a pastor, we dont need priest like you. Protestants dont believe in the transubstantiation of the eucharist, deny the intercetion of Mary. Jésus is fondamental you take it or leave it... And im NOT a fanatic, just a catholic from France. Good bless you and i hope you will leave are church.
Pavan Musb Are the statements in Vatican II similar or the same as Vatican one on this issue as well as does anybody understand how to deal with the new decision on baptism and who is included and who is not
Pavano you are welcomed to find out more about the Church of England, despite some of the more fanatical responses you might read here.
As an Anglican, we feel very connected to our Roman siblings even though we have our differences. I always feel comfortable going to Catholic Mass and I hope you also feel comfortable attending our Eucharist ❤️
@@ACF1901 What you are saying is wrong and creating division from the evil one. Do you read the Bible? In heaven there is no denomination or particular Church but the worship and honor that belong to God (Jesus) who inhabited humanity to save all those who accept him and resurrection for their salvation. God Bless You!
I wish every conversation about religion could be like this.
Softballs thrown, without real challenges presented?
You don't need to scream and spit, but questions that literally just about any Christian on the street could ask aren't very satisfying...
@@barelyprotestant5365 everyones gotta start somewhere, especially when Catholics and protestants basically speak a different language with the same words. Yeah, they were definitely softballs, but most protestants dont even talk to an informed catholic enough to have ever even played softball, so... it's a good start.
@@shananotz9920 that ignorance goes both ways; for instance, Romanists thinking that they have a monopoly on the word "Catholic". No. Romanism is not the entirety of the Church Catholic. As an Anglican, I am Catholic. I am simply not under the Papacy's thumb.
@@barelyprotestant5365 yeah ive heard Anglicans say that. Except Anglicanism is called Anglican because it wasn't universal it was.... Anglican. So I dont get it. Didnt they also have to change the name in the USA because Anglican is anglican and that was obvious in the name so in order to make it pretend to be universal it had to change its name?
@@barelyprotestant5365 I know that probably sounded snarky but I didnt mean it that way I just dont get it. The symbol of the papacy is the unifying point. I dont always like the stuff that comes out of heirarchy in an un-official-magisterium way these days, but to me, the authority of the magisterium as represented by the seat of peter is invaluable to the concept of christianity.
I’m a catholic and I’m Watching this from kenya 🇰🇪 I’m loving it.
Tumsifu yesu kristu!
Wangui Kariuki milele na milele Amina!!
Kumbe tuko wengi hapa!!!!
Tuko pamoja....I really enjoy these conversations
As a Christian who is feeling pulled towards the Catholic Church, this dialogue with Dr. Jeremy Holmes has been one of the most helpful resources yet. Both of you being so versed in Church history and theology, while being respectful of each others differing views, is invigorating. Thank you greatly for this. God bless.
Yeah I'm not sure all Catholics are as interesting as that Jeremy Holmes. 😉
He's just reaaaaaally good. Period.
@@goofygrandlouis6296 I think that IS a very underestimating talk.
There is a multitude of people that are so amazing in Catholic Church!
And The history of The Saints are beautyful
Hi Matt, as a Christian revert who eventually settled on the Catholic tradition I find your videos very refreshing. You hold your own which I respect but I greatly admire your effort to understand the other person's perspective as best as possible without misrepresenting it (something I think we can all be guilty of). I don't watch Protestant channels much these days but I really enjoy your content, keep up the good work. God bless
Well Said.
This comment is pretty wholesome.
Jeremiah Alphonsus A bit of an unnecessary comment. I firmly believe in the authority and teachings of the Catholic Church, I accept all Catholic dogma and try as best as I can to display obedience to the Bishops. I settled on Catholicism because I am convinced that it’s true, whereas settling on a food has nothing to do with truth, but rather preference. And my comment was about respecting how respectful Matt is during these conversations. I don’t agree with Protestants on the points where they differ from Catholicism but I can nonetheless admire that he is making a genuine effort to learn about traditions other than his own. I also respect that he doesn’t immediately cave when he’s not convinced by our claims, but as a Catholic I pray that unity and agreement will occur. In the video they speak about comments like this...it doesn’t help anything
@@harrymoore9358 Again WELL SAID! I am in a similar position as a Catholic. I believe in the authority and tradition of the church and as a Christian these conversations are really interesting. Especially because its a Protestant and a Catholic talking about some theological similarities and differences between these two ideologies. So I find this content awesome. Many times I have viewed other protestant material and always walked away from it. But Matt just gets right into these discussions with a Catholic. LOVE IT!
Brendan McDonell Glad we both made it to where we believe home is, and it’s nice to see that many people can appreciate this kind of discussion which we see in the video. Prayer and dialogue is the only chance we have of ending these divisions
There's a reason why the Catholic Church does not re-baptize Protestant converts to Catholicism.
Why?
livepathsearching Because Catholic and Protestants believe in the same baptism. It has the same meaning. Therefore re-baptism or a new baptism is not needed for them
Thank you @Juan that is true
but if you want to become protestant after being catholic, you must do the protestant baptize...
@@livepathsearching5140 Because baptism iz considered a sacrament in the CC - all sacraments have to do something with grace - and that grace "works" beacuse God is behind it so as long as people use the correct formula (...in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) and water, that is a valid baptism.
Brother Matt, thank you from the bottom of my heart for reaching out to us Catholics. As for your question at the end of this episode, I think there are the same number of differences that exist between Catholics and Protestants, however I think they have been dwarfed by other considerations. The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once interviewed a Protestant minister who had escaped from behind the Iron Curtain and had suffered horribly under the Communists. What emerged from their riveting conversation was that when you are in the trenches against a common, horrific enemy the theological differences among allies is overshadowed by their common beliefs. That is where I think we are today. Thanks for your wonderful ministry and please...don't wait too long to post Part 3 of this series!!! May the Peace of Christ be with you and your loved ones!
As a Catholic revert (former agnostic) I want to say thank you for making these videos. I really enjoy your videos. My hope is that all Christians can one day worship under the same roof. Thank you!
We are worshipping under the same roof, it's called heaven.
I'am a catholic from the Netherlands(the southern part where almost everybody is catholic) and i find this video awesome. For me personelly a protestant is a christian brother. We have to unite that's what Jesus wants us to do. Keep up the good work Matt!
Bert E Filipino catholic here. And I agree with you friend :)
We do have to unite. Catholic Church was supposed to be and imply a "universal" Church to encompass all Christians.
We are not a religion we are in a personal relationship with christ..we are all brothers and sisters in christ..lest a man be born again..means turn from sin and lead a christ filled life..repent and be baptized ...
@@SG-tf1fx the catholic church is divinely inspired just as scripture is
@@crobeastness the bible is divinely inspired...the church is a building the people in it are the chruch
I'm Catholic and only discovered G.K. Chesterton in my "noon day devil" years. As I listened to this talk, I was reminded of this Chesterton statement, "A man is not really convinced of a philosophic theory when he finds that something proves it. He is only really convinced when he finds that everything proves it." Bringing the differences to light and addressing them in good humor is important. At some point the scale is going to tip and a fearful decision must be made. May God bless you and your family for this program.
I love him. I just discovered him and I’m in my early 30’s
As a protestant... I agree 100%
Matt Fradd ... the bromance would be palpable.
Frank Pugliese this needs to happen
If matt will let him speak
zorbo77 I find Matt Fradd incredibly humble, he frequently talks about his own struggles and shortcomings. it seems evident he really wants to share the Catholic faith
Not Matt Frad, Jimmy Akin, please
Trent Horn wouldn't let him get away with some stuff he said..for sure...Trent would kill him softly and with a smile 🤗😀
Thanks Matt, I'm not religious but your channel helps me understand those who are.
You have a real ministry here. As a Catholic raised Baptist with a Baptist minister father, charismatic sister, and Methodist grandparents, I long and hunger for the day when Jesus prayer in John 17 will be fulfilled and we will all truly be one. Bridge building is so important here and that is what i see in your work. You have a way of saying/asking things candidly, directly, and straightfowardly while at the same time remaining humble, gracious and respectful in your approach. I will pray for you during Mass and during the rest of the week. Thank you for your gift. God bless you!
I imagine your food was pretty cold by the time you guys even took a bite.
I know, I kept wanting to yell at them to eat it. I'm the cook of the family and it drives me nuts when people sit and wait for everyone to sit down while their food gets cold.
If I was there the food would be gone
I wanted to eat it for them.
Poor Jeremy looks like he may have been needing some
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This is a fantastic discussion series. I'm an uh.. Agnostic? Atheist? Either way, I'm not part of this world. You once said in a video that you appreciate those of us who are here to learn a bit about something we're not really a part of, and I think conversations like this one do a really good job of helping me learn a bit about faith. Thanks as always, looking forward to the next video!
Don't discount yourself, you are always welcome to be a part of this, as it is for you.
Keep searching my friend, maybe it will allow you to learn the true nature of God. I know a lot of people who don't believe in God, and they're highly intelligent for it, because the god they don't believe in truly doesn't exist. I pray that He reveals His truth to you in ways that allow you to know who He really is...home is a great place to be!
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@@abcoh4440 well its good that you enjoy it and listen to these. Its a much more productive use of your time than 90% of athiests who just comment to bash the videos.
I have had Protestants tell me I'm not a Christian because I'm Catholic. They ironically are unaware their religion stemmed from mine.
The intro was a little weird because I've almost always heard it the other way around, i.e. Catholics aren't Christians in the eyes of Protestants.
It’s easy to believe that often times when it APPEARS that saints and Mary are being worshipped while jesus is just forgotten about. Not saying that’s true but when I first even heard about Catholics that’s what it looked like.
@@aidanmcwhirter2612 I first heard that's what Protestants are told about Catholics when I got to college. I told my friend "That's crazy! That's not true!" It would be like because you have a photo of your dead grandmother and talk to it sometimes as if it's her saying things like "I wish you were here. I could really use your advice." Doesn't mean you're worshipping the photo or believe it's actually her.
@@laurataylor8717 I know now that’s not what is actually believed but it was difficult when I first discovered Catholics in middle school.
@@aidanmcwhirter2612 I understand and didn't think that's what you believe. I was surprised to learn it's what some people believe and that's what is taught to Protestant children about Catholics. It isn't until they're older and meet people outside of their social circle that they learn not everything they were taught is true. We're all taught stuff we later find out needed a grain of salt. 😊
You need to talk with Matt Fradd. That's all I have to say.
Oggie P I’d LOVE to see that! I think they’d both really enjoy meeting & speaking w one another.
Yes
Joseph Adongay That would be great.
Based
Corda Based and breadpilled
SPOILER: Actual Catholic Christian Teaching: Protestants can be called Christian as well.
This is in the Catechism of the Catholic Christian Church:
*Wounds to unity*
*817* In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame." The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.
*818* "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."
*819* "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."
Did such teachings exist in Catholicism pre-Vatican II, and if they did, why do so many especially Latin Rite Catholics say otherwise?
I reckon you two should do something together. You might end up with some seriously bad jokes, but that would be refreshing :)
@@fredharvey2720 Yes and No. Vatican II isn't a canonically binding council (it adds no new dogma); it takes existing dogma and repackages them in a way that a 21st century person can understand. So let's take the existing dogma and see if we can see how Vatican II arrives at their conclusions.
1) . God gives all innocent unbelievers (infideles negativi) sufficient grace to achieve eternal
salvation.
(This is a certain truth deduced from the goodness of God, scripture, and other dogmas).
2) Extra Esclisia nulla salus --outside the church there is no salvation
Given (3) Not all innocent unbelievers are visibly members of the Church, we must find a way to reconcile this. The above text is one such way to do that, we say that all who are baptized are in effect 'catholic' but that they are invisibly ignorant of the entirety of the truth of the Church. However, If they become aware of their heresy/schism and still persist then they put their souls in danger of hellfire.
To further expound this let's take another dogma of the faith:
Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, necessary
for all men without exception, for salvation.
Without a careful reading this would seem to exclude the unbaptized from salvation. But it need not, for it did not say the following:
Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, essential
for all men without exception, for salvation.
The distinction between necessary and essential is an important one. On a public road it is necessary to drive on the correct side of the road but it is not essential. (That is, you can, for a time, drive on the wrong side of the road). However, it is essential to have an engine in order to drive. (At no time can you transport yourself without a working engine, or without gas in certain cars ect.)
Thus we can conclude: Necessary = cannot be avoided, while essential = integral to the commission of. A quick google of the difference will yield these results. Thus,
Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis), since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be avoided
by any man, without exception, for salvation.
This leaves open the possibility that salvation would be possible to those who did not avoid water baptism. (Like a Muslim for instance). We would still say they are baptized (perhaps they are at the moment of death 'baptized' by God himself although not by physical water; So that the primary mode, of which the verb is named is intrinsically linked to the effect, but their are alternatives that grant the same effect. ex: you could 'google' something on the bing search engine).
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"Vatican II isn't a canonically binding council"
The church teaches that Vatican II is ecumenical and binding regardless if did not add new dogma.
@@tysonguess My point wasn't to dismiss Vatican II. By 'canonically binding', I did not mean to reference the cannons of law, but the cannons of dogma. Recall the context. I was asked if the teachings (which I interpreted as dogmas) concerning the ecumenical nature were around pre-Vatican II. To prove that point beyond dispute I pointed to the fact that no dogmatic cannons were added to Vatican 2. Thus the bedrock of Vatican II's teaching must be a result of already established truths.
Time and time again, I am amazed at how well you articulate yourself. I love and appreciate so much your levelheaded discussions with different traditions of Christianity. I have commented I think on every one of your videos on the Catholic Church, as well as Orthodox Christians. To answer your question, I absolutely believe we are doing a fairly good job loving along side each other. As you mentioned, the extremes on the ends of the bell curve are the loudest and craziest. But the middle genuinely love each other, and see each other as true family. May Almighty God reward you for your continued search for the Truth, and for your heart of Love, and desire for unity!
You'll be interviewed by Marcus Grodi few years from today. 😂 Just kidding. Thanks for the videos.
As somebody preparing to enter the seminary for the Catholic priesthood this Fall, I would just like to thank both of you for these civil conversations. This is how our Church will be healed. If every Christian treated each other like you two treat each other (and other Christians), the world would be a much better place. God bless!
JackR168 as your brother seminarian, I second that! Praying for you as you deepen your Yes. God bless you dude!
Ps- which seminary/diocese?
JackR168 if it’s to become a Novus ordo priest, you’re better off staying away.
Daniel Corso I’ll be going to Saint John Vianney college seminary in St. Paul! Diocese of Lafayette in Indiana!
You are the men going into the burning building... To save souls, God bless you. B
JackR168: Wow, you're from Diocese of Lafayette! I'm from that diocese too. I'm a parishioner in Lafayette (St. Lawrence). That's cool to find someone that watches this channel from my diocese. I wish you the best!
I think he's really got it right about the assumptions. Where I differ, as a convert, is that when I read the Early Church Fathers, in their historical context, it became clear to me that I was very wrong in my Protestant set of assumptions in how I read passages like John 6. Apparently that doesn't happen for everyone, which is surprising for me. I think it's very clear that the Catholic view of Scripture, Tradition, Authority and the Sacraments, especially the Real Presence is extremely clear in the earliest Fathers like Polycarp, Ignatius of Antioch, and Iraneaus. My suggestion for people is always to read those men for yourself if you want to really know what the Church believed and practiced before everyone had the luxury of a Bible on their smartphone.
The Fathers are still undefeated. It amazes me how much they have contribute to conversions from the brightest minds in protestantism to the true Church; it's almost instantaneously for some of them like Francis Beckwith.. As cradle catholic, I was ignorant of all of this and now I am reading more and more from these guys... There are millions out there that still need to come home... As Acts 2:47 says, "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as SHOULD BE SAVED."
Agreed. Don't forget Justin Martyr and the First Apology:
"...For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the Flesh and Blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” - (First Apology, 66)
James Salerno respectfully and I’ve read both Greek and Latin founders, that our reading of John 6 is correct. Here I would differ with the fathers.
Protestants literally believe that everyone went nuts right after the apostles died and stayed that way for 1500 years till their prophet came along. It requires a belief that Jesus wasn't God or that He didn't start a real, living Church. Neither one of those ideas comports with scripture, which they say they've read.
@@Doug8521 - Amen, agree completely. I'm a convert, so I was raised believing much of the modern distortions, though (Thankfully) not the worst of the Anti-Catholic Bigotry. It amazes me that anyone could actually Read the Church Fathers (and not just some "Cherry picked" proof-texts) and have even the slightest doubt that they were all talking about The Catholic Church, and the same core dogma's She teaches today.... And yet, Clearly, people of "Good Will" can and do. Blows me away.... But "it is what it is".
Use me as the “IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG” button
See you in two months!
Man, if only he would leave us on the cliffhanger for a little less time.
I appreciate these (and all your) videos Matt. I wish there were more civil and gracious resources like this when I was studying. I grew up in a very devoted catholic family and left for protestantism after years of research... and on both sides it was difficult to find intelligent resources that explored this differences without being condescending. Thank you for your work in making the discussion more civil
Best route to the truth is reading Scripture, not relying on human opinions and prejudices. I was guilty of reading other people’s opinion about Scripture more than reading Scripture. Apostle Paul said all scripture is God breathed, or inspired. God gave us the Bible through humans writing it.
Matt, my family really enjoy your videos. I converted from LCMS to the Catholic Church. Something that helped me to better understand some of the Catholic doctrines was studying Typology. As a Lutheran I knew there were parallels in Scripture but Typology is much more than just a parallel in Scripture. It really opened my eyes or as you mentioned made the picture flip. If possible could you incorporate Catholic Typology in a future video?
Hey, what did you find as the difference between their understandings of typology? I thought they were similar?
Joseph Graham , for example the marian dogmas were a stumbling block for me. I was used to requiring scripture to explicitly say this or that. When I gained a knowledge of what typology is and how it is applied it changed everything. Research ark of the covenant in the OT being a type of Mary as an ark in the NT. You will find some awesome scripture in Luke that ties her the OT. That is one example. Mary as the new Eve is another.
@@zachbrauks5584 Thanks Zach, I've already come across this type; and it is a wonderful one, yet the ever virgin Mary is in the Lutheran confessions and Mary as our mother the church, who held all creation in the humanity of the Christ-child, that her body was taken away like the ark and Moses... these teachings don't seem to me to address the issues of Hus, Luther, Chemnitz or the others of that tradition.
That being said, I still hope for reconciliation (the gospel, from my current understanding of the 'lutheran' tradition) and am blessed by the richness of our ancient Christian tradition being revealed to me by Roman and Eastern Theologians.
Disunity for sure. Probably depends on your immediate locality, but my experience has not been encouraging.
Joseph Graham , the LCMS did teach of a Virgin birth but not necessarily ever virgin. The LCMS also does not believe in Mary’s immaculate conception or her being sinless her entire life. For myself this is where the ark type helped. The ark was made of the finest materials and was not to be touched by sin. If this is true for the OT ark and we believe that Mary is the NT ark, then these verses in Luke help us to see how the early fathers may have come to this understanding biblically.
Matt I love your show. I have been waiting for this second one for months. I have loved just about all the ones you have done so for. I am a Catholic with a masters in Catholic theology. I have learned much from many of your shows. Thank you! I think your very gracious to your Catholic guest and I think you are honest and do great work. I loved the Catholic stuff you have done. Please do more of these. They are great friendly dialogues. Thank you for being a great witness to Christ. God bless you brother!
Chris B. M.T.S.
I was raised Lutheran and converted to Catholicism in 2003. I LOVE all of your videos. They are respectful and informative. We need more of this. One thing that I think was touched on briefly is that many protestants feel that Catholics aren't Christians. I agree that I think we are more closely aligned than we think. When I became Catholic I didn't feel that I was now on the correct side of this. My wife and I debated for 13 years about who was "right" and all it did was divide us more, and we seldom went to church. Through a lot of discernment I decide to unite our marriage under our common beliefs in Jesus and not worry about the hair splitting theological differences. The end result is a family that now attends church weekly and our faith is very much part of our lives.
Anyone who teaches that catholics are not christian is an antichrist.
Glenn Freiburger all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic
@@georgeibrahim7945 All christians are catholic. The term "catholic" applies to all who are truly christian. Not all who call themselves either are such.
Glenn Freiburger I want you to look at the story about our lady of Guadalupe
He doesn’t need your personal opinion he can decide for himself
I know my comment is a bit late. Since becoming closer with a Catholic friend I have become more curious if why he believes what he does. We have deep conversations of faith, mostly me presenting my narrow view of some difference between us and acknowledging my ignorance on the subject (I am a Protestant myself). I love seeing another curious Protestant asking questions that I would! Thank you so much for this!
Im trying to find my way now. I was loosely raised Catholic, however I attended a Baptist church with my wife (6 year). She is not interested in Catholicism at all. I keep finding myself attending a Mass every now and then by myself. It is truly hard to deny Church history and Authority. I think the Catholics have it right. I look around, and I have been to several protestant churches, and ask myself, is this how God wants us to worship him? I dont think it is, going back to early Christian and even Jewish teaching/worship, we as protestants lack actual worship in a lot of ways.
danmj2 read Rome Sweet Home. 😊
@@karatriolo3238 Thanks, I will have to check that out.
danmj2 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
John 4:23
danmj2 thanks for your comment. You know, one of things that always stood out to me before I converted to Catholicism was the emphasis by Jesus and the apostles on communion in the early Church. Now as a priest offering the Eucharist I can really say that that centrality has endured to this day in Catholic worshiop.
@@frjohn413 I think that is what is starting to draw me in the most. Reading up and looking at the history of the early church, I dont think we were ever supposed to get away from that. Thanks Fr. John.
My American libertarian/individualism had me resisting going back to the Catholic Church that I left for a long time, but I eventually came to think that if we don't have a hierarchy that can speak authoritatively when interpreting Scripture (given our problems of the age), then we all will fragment into a million different pieces. Don't get me wrong, the Catholic Church allows for a lot of diverse understandings, the flourishing of individual/familial identity, national sovereignty, etc., but when it needs to speak with authority it can and I feel comfortable today looking to it for guidance in my life.
As a libertarian Catholic Amen
@@joelancon7231 The Catholic principle of subsidiarity doesn't contradict there being moral universals...thoughts?
Even America has a Supreme Court. Your neighbors can't just execute judgment based on gossip and opinion, even if it is based on their private interpretation of the constitution and laws. We call that lynching.
The Reaction You say “even America” as if the US is some libertarian paradise.
The most radical of libertarians, myself included, do not believe in a Supreme Court, instead favoring a private law society. Not to say that this is an argument against Catholicism-just a clarification.
@@riogrande1840 Private law rulings are not appropriate for setting precedents for everyone to expect to be applied in every case. When absolute standards are at issue, there must be an authority.
Whenever I hear speakers like Steve Ray or Scott Hahn, it's immediately clear how much my protestant brothers love Christ; they certainly have charisms as scholars and evangelists. Which is what makes me lament our sorry, seperated state, because it's clear how much better off the Catholic Church would be if it brought all its sheep back into the fold.
I know some may see the amount of christians in the world and say: look, different churches are reaching different people. I see the opposite. Secular, modernists who mock religion or just outright ignore it because our house is not in order, or because they get mixed ideas about what our religion is really about. They get bits and pieces from a hundred different sources, which inevitably contradict and make the whole endeavor seem like a ruse. And if Gods graces could help us unite as one body, it would be even stronger, and reach even more people than the splintered churches do today.
God Bless you, Matt. And to everyone: don't let the people of God keep you from God. We can all be hypocrites and judgemental, and it's because of that we need Him. If someone is making you feel bad or unwelcome, they probably need to work on their own formation rather than evangelizing others, so keep looking for someone else to guide you.
I agree. I think that when a lot of non-Christians look at the Christian world, what they see is a lot of division, contradiction, and confusion... which is why Jesus prayed that the Apostles & all who follow them would be unified as one, so that the world would know that it is from God.
This is the main reason why I converted to Catholicism as well (from non-denominational Christian). In the face of moral relativism, we as a Church need to be more unified in our stance, and the Catholic Church has a fighting chance as the church founded by Christ.
Yup
Well said
How would I contact you. As the first Catholic in my family for 5 generations I would love to discuss some things with you
I’m a revert to Roman Catholicism and I find these kinds of videos intelligent and refreshing, thank you Matt!
@Free Thinker doesn't that imply there is a deeper truth within the text? Or that it is meant to misguide the reader and there is no truth at all in the text?
To me you all are heretics lol.
What caused you to go back?
You're a revert to worshipping your queen of the universe mary.
Welcome back home. You must have had quite the journey.
Keep digging, I was Reformed Baptist (5 points mega-super Calvinist) till 2 years ago when I could not take it anymore. There is nothing like the joy of being part of The Church and receiving Christ risen and glorified in the eucharist. Many died for the eucharist during the first 300 years of Christianity because they knew what they were receiving or taking to their captive brothers/sisters.
To go from Reformed Baptist to Catholic screams huge deception. I normally wouldn't say something so cutting but it seems you're aware theologically of what you've done. Keep digging, and come back to Christianity.
Hmm. What do you mean, when you say “being part of the church” are you saying as a reformed baptist you weren’t part of the church?
@@andrewdoesapologetics What theologically has he done ?
Daniel was thrown to the den of lions for prayer to God. Does this mean that he risked death because he knew public prayer was mandatory for salvation or was he was publicly acknowledging God as supreme to set an example of the Way? Matthew 6:6, public prayer is not required for salvation. Therefore, the risk for following God does not mean the thing you are specifically practicing that could get you killed in the key to salvation.
@Andrew Elliott: Beware of the 200-300 assumptions brother. I believe Jorge followed his conscience, as Luther affirmed. He had his good reasons to do so. Was it deception? You do understand he could say the exact same of you, right? Only God looks into the heart and knows everything. And will judge accordingly. But I think we all should have an open mind and an open heart, like Matt and Dr. Jeremy here. It is edifying. And so we should be too. Not at the expense of truth, agreed. But for the sake of Love.
Hi, Matt. You did great! I'm a Catholic who appreciates your good will.
I truly appreciate these conversations. As a life long protestant (along the Pentecostal vein) I had various assumptions about the Catholic church. I still have some of those assumptions but I think this video (and those like it) show that far more can be garnered or understood by having actual conversations instead of the seemingly new norm which is the 'dumpster fire' of youtube videos 'correcting' any denomination that is not theirs.
I found this refreshing.
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!! ALLELUIA!!!!
As an Episcopalian/Anglican, this conversation about owning your church history is so important to me. It's hard to hold that tension between the admirable and regrettable people and events of your faith background and what you decide to hold close.
Oh wow. Anglican. You guys are the perfect example of owning and reconciling your history. Henry the Eighth was your version of the drunk uncle. He was a notorious figure in history due to his marital issues. However this doesn't mean Anglicans as a whole are bad people. I think it is quite the opposite. The one thing that Henry got right on was the issues of religion. So Anglicans were based on some really brilliant ideas. It is great that they tried to find a balance between Catholic and Protestant. It is even more great that they broke off from the pope, but they still retain a lot of the nice rituals from Catholics. Overall Anglicans form a really good and really well rounded group. They even have the King James Bible, which is awesome for English-speaking Christians. Lutherins are very similar, and they are another great group. The biggest difference is that they are based on Germany instead of England. I like Lutherinism a little bit better because Martin Luther is a more appealing founder. It is just a very tiny even hairsplitting preference. Both groups are awesome though. Both are two of my favorite Christian denominations.
I really want to see him have a dialogue with Dr. David Anders from @EWTN.
Also JESSY ROMERO
He would never have a conversation with Dr. Anders. Because it would put an end to this pretending to get to the truth thing.
So glad to see this approach. I believe most miss information happens because we only listen to those in our bubble. The better way is asking someone on the other side-the difficult conversations. God bless you for reaching out.
Hi Matt, So I have been a Christian my whole life. I recently got engaged and my fiancé is very Catholic. I was very anti-catholic for, again most of my life due to what I was taught. The interesting thing is that after research, I am now becoming Catholic and would already be if our church wasn’t closed down to COVID-19. Anyway, my question or maybe just a comment is about the Eucharist. I believed just as you that is was a symbol rather than His body and blood. However, after reading a passage from John, it really made me think. It is John 6: 48-68. In this reading Christ does not run after his disciples and say, “Wait, Wait... What I meant was this was just a metaphor to my body and blood.” I think this passage really hit home for me because He let those disciples walk away and not try and stop them or correct an incorrect thought. I really thought that was powerful... But, Just my two cents. Have a Blessed day and look forward to your next video. In Christ
That is the whole truth, you hit the nail on the head.
Welcome to the Catholic Church.
If the Eucharist is the sacrifice of Christ re-presented then that means the Scriptures must be wrong when they say Christ's work is finished, presenting a sacrifice that doesn't need to be repeated. But if the Scriptures are correct it means the work of Christ is complete, and priests are no longer needed cf. Romans 6-7.
@@trinidad17 There's only one Sacrifice. The Eucharist is not a new sacrifice, but the SAME sacrifice for eternity, present, for that very reason, in masses that happens anywhere, anytime. Jesus teaches in The Holy Supper an act that create real presence of flesh and blood of His crucifixion through ages, through centuries and centuries. So that's not ONLY memory and symbol of union, but memory and union in fact. Obey Jesus on that and you'll be part of the Body of Christ (the Church) literally, not only intellectually. Jesus are 100% human, 100% God. The Eucharist is whole Jesus, blood, body, soul (human nature) and divinity (god nature), while the mere revival in memory is half of His teaching and commandment. The priests do not makes new sacrifices, but, instead, in obedience to Jesus, they bring the only sacrifice to christians, so that they may remain with Him, sanctify themselves and be saved.
As a white British muslim living in England and following this channel for quite a while now I can honestly say that your videos are some of the most enjoyable from a Christian perspective. Excellent job, exceptional grace, keep up the good work Matt.
From another British brother, I hope you attend a Traditional Latin Mass one day. God Bless !
You converted to Islam or were you born a muslim?
Why do Anglo Saxon people always state the color of their skin as one of the first things?
Love these shows! Even as a Catholic Maronite (middle eastern rite), I can't wait for the unity of Christians to finally unfold
You'll soon be charged with the grave sin of Ecumenism or One World-ism. Lol
Love this thoughtful, respectful, educated, open conversation. Thank you so much for doing this!!!
So great to see a protestant with a good will like yourself, you should try to talk to Matt Fradd or Trent Horn....Very humbling.
I would love to see Matt on Pints with Aquinas.
Trent Horn is looking for people to talk to
True RightRight Trent Horn actually more a person of dogmatic and deep systematical dialogue, this to clear the common misunderstanding most often given by those people inquiring in good will, just like Matt of this channel who are sincerely hope to have good and deep discussion about the Catholic faith. Trent Horn is not a debater but an excellent dialogue partner. Matt Fradd is another excellent option maybe in conjunction with his channel pint with Aquinas
And I think that Trent Horn's dialogue is trying to seek "What is true?" which is an answer to Matt's question about unity. We may be closer to being unified, but when we search to believe only in the things that are true, there can really only be one right answer. So when debating an issue over Protestant viewpoints vs Catholic doctrine, I feel like only one of them can be the "right" one because the other contradicts it. And as we've read so many conversion stories in the past, how can the Catholic church be right on so many other things, but wrong on a few?
I am an Evangelical Christian and I love these discussions because I can learn about my brothers and sisters in Jesus and how & why they believe different than me. I have always prayed that the Catholic Church, especially the Pope, would do well and be examples of Christ to the world. Like it or not, non-Christians look toward ANY Christian leader for good or bad. So when the Pope is leading well, Christ is lifted up, or when an Evangelical leader screws up, Christ is laughed at, and vice versa.
William Gibson you should watch videos of Scott Hahn, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples or Steve Ray. These guys were former protestants but now Catholic and I find the best Catholics are former protestants who have so much love for our Lord and Saviour.
Yes, but more important than outer appearances is the appearance we have towards God, and it doesn't do any benefit to pay lip service to the Apostles and the Gospel while adding things that neither the Apostles or Christ taught. Which is what happens in the official Roman Catholic doctrine (like thesaurus meritorum, insuficiency of the work Christ, etc), that is disregarding the unofficial pronouncements of their current Pope which are all over the place, and also happens a lot in many Evangelical circles (prosperity heresy, word of faith, sabellianism, cheap grace, etc).
So keep good relations with everyone when possible, but if actually following Christ is a scandal to outsiders, so be it, but not for our own selfish reasons or to try to appease the current culture by denying Christ.
@@trinidad17 well said
@@georgeibrahim7945 That seems to disprove Catholicism, that the best Catholics have to be Protestants first, that they have to be saved outside the Catholic church first...
God bless you, William. For us Catholics you're a dear brother in Christ.
I'm kinda disappointed that we didnt get to see the rest of this discussion..its been 4 months.....feels like we were left hanging ... too bad bcoz I really found this a very interesting conversation 😔
When you next speak to Dr. Holmes, please convey my thanks for a wonderful, intelligent conversation. Your conversation with him was by far my favorite. (I really enjoyed the trip to the Church of the Madeleine.(forgive me if I said it wrong), but this multi part conversation with Dr. Holmes was SO interesting and informative. It was nice to hear the catholic perspective from such a learned gentleman.(I am Lutheran, by the way) I find a lot of the Catholic ritual very interesting (The Rosary especially) and even appealing, but also find it to be like tight Jean's after a big meal.....a tad too restrictive.
Thank YOU for all of the effort you put into these wonderful videos.
Matt, I'm a Catholic convert after 45 years as a pretty seriously committed Protestant viewpoint and I got to say I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE doing here!! thank you and GOD BLESS YOU! I love ALL of your other videos too! On your question of "Are we unified as the Body of Christ or a "mess"", check out Pope Benedict's book "Jesus of Nazareth, Part 2 Holy Week, Chapter Four" - Ratzinger addresses this question and leans heavily on the LUTHERAN theologian Rudolf Bultmann as his source. Really good stuff. Thanks again for all you do!
Heh, one of the ways I like to rib my dad (a Lutheran) is: "You know, the rest of the Protestants think you guys are basically Catholics." :P
Born and raised Catholic, but attended a Lutheran service with the in-laws. Said to my wife "Do they realize they are basically Catholics?" lol
We (confessional Lutherans)are the true church that Christ founded. The RCC went astray centuries ago. Luther kept what he found in Catholic worship that did not lead to sin. Luther rejected what he found to be unBiblical such as joining a monastery to earn salvation.
@@markhorton3994 Luther also had a accident that left him not well, mentally. This brain trauma affected him greatly. Im saying that respectfully.
"Basically Catholics"? No, Lutherans (and Anglicans) aren't "basically" Catholics; we are. We aren't part of the Papal Communion; in fact, we were both kicked out and relentlessly attacked.
So yes, we Anglicans and Lutherans are Catholics. We aren't Romanists.
I don’t think the “basically Catholics” comment was meant with disrespect. Having been to both it’s just striking, when raised Catholic, to attend a Lutheran service and note how liturgically similar they are
Scott Hahn paints a beautiful explanation on Catholics view on The Holy Eucharist being The Body using the Old Testament and New Teatament. I hope this clarifies some questions among people confused on the Eucharist in Catholicism. Scott Hahn, “If the Eucharist that Jesus institutes as the Passover of the new covenant is only a meal, not only is it not a Passover (which has to be a sacrifice), than Golgotha, Good Friday, and Calvary is only a Roman Execution. BUT IF - and only if- the Eucharist that is instituted in the Upper room on Holy Thursday is in fact the Passover of the new covenant, than suddenly we find the light that illuminates in the darkness of Good Friday transforming what happened to Jesus on the cross from being an execution into the climax of the sacrifice!
On Good Friday, Jesus is not a victim of Roman violence and injustice as much as he’s a victim of Divine Love and Mercy! And that he wasn’t losing his life on Friday if in fact he was laying it down as a gift of love on Holy Thursday when he was celebrating Passover, instituting the Eucharist precisely as the Passover of the new covenant!”
In other words, the Eucharist is the new covenant Passover. Jesus instituted the New Testament( the Eucharist ) for all is his followers to celebrate Passover of the new covenant every Sunday, or whenever attending mass. Jesus created a sacrifice that is eternal, and the meal is never ending. We don’t resacrifice Jesus at mass, we essentially bring the meal from the last supper into mass every time the bread is consecrated. On earth as it is in heaven.
Like stated in exodus - In the Old Testament, the Passover ritual is not completed by the death of the sacrificial lamb. It is completed when the Israelites eat the “flesh” of the lamb that is slain so that they might be delivered from bondage in Egypt and, ultimately, from death (Ex 12:8).
That is why Paul, himself an expert in Jewish Scripture, can write, “Our paschal lamb [Greek pascha, meaning Passover] Christ, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast” (1 Cor 5:7-8).
If the Eucharist is the new exodus of the new Passover, you have to eat the lamb! You can’t just eat the symbol of the lamb. You can’t just remember the lamb. You have to eat the flesh of the lamb in order for the new Passover to be complete because Passover isn’t completed by the death of he lamb. It’s completed when the ppl, for whom the lamb died, receive its flesh that was offered on their behalf.
“So Jesus said to them, ‘Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you.’” (John 6:53)
What I hear from that is, redemption actually happened in the upper room before the crucifixion. I must be misunderstanding, somehow?
@@christophekeating21 Actually, I think a theologian would say our Redemption began at the Incarnation.
@@MNskins11 Redemption comes through the whole work of Christ, from the incarnation, through his perfect life, his being offered as a ransom and a propitiation for sins on the cross, (as the Passover Lamb) and his Resurrection and Ascension to glory in Heaven. But it was when he was on the cross that he said "it is accomplished." Not the night before on Thursday.
@@christophekeating21 I think you may want to look into that "it is accomplished" verse a little farther. You just admitted that the Resurrection was apart of the Redemptive work of Christ. So I don't think "it is finished(accomplished) refers to our Redemption being completed. Just sayin
@@MNskins11 I'm sure I'm using terms incorrectly in some way. The Resurrection of Jesus is essential. It is part of the Gospel according to 1 Corinthians 15 and Jesus'Resurrection is the firstfruits of the Resurrection of the dead which will happen at the end of time when creation is restored. But what do you think "It is finished/accomplished" means?
I think our core "assumptions" are the most critical piece of any dialogue. I am an ELCA Lutheran with 6 years of seminary education and 12 more years of continuing education and I always have to establish, in any theological conversation, what the other person understands the Bible to be. That establishes the foundation of our assumptions and can guide a fruitful discussion. I realize that we are all seeking different things when we choose a religion or denomination because we are all seeking to know the originator of all that is and how to be in a relationship with something more powerful than anything we can conceive. Each church represents centuries of theological debate. If civil the debate can deepen and enliven our unfolding understanding of the divine.
I’m a minister in rural, small town Indiana. I’m blessed to be a member of our local ministerial association. Church leaders from all different denominations meet once a month, rotating through out various churches. We plan service projects and special worship events together. We have representation from Presbyterian, Methodist, Christian Church, Baptist, Church of Christ, Catholic, and more. We all love and respect each other. We realize that there are differences - and significant differences at that - but we all unify on Christ. Now more than ever the church in America must unite or die off. We must no longer let our petty doctrinal differences drive a wedge between us.
On a related note, it does seem that where there is growing division between churches and Christians is more political than religious, unfortunately.
The bottom line is authority - Protestants are people of the book and Catholics are people of the body. The Bible needs authoritative interpretation and is not sufficient by itself. Jesus established the Church and the Bible came to us through the Church. Jesus left men in charge. What could go wrong? But that’s the way Jesus did it - knowing our sinful nature. The Bible clearly states that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. We don’t cling to the Church because of her members but because of her founder and His promises. The unity Jesus prayed for can only mean ONE Church . . . and humble obedience. Blessings
The church is not a building it's the people...the problem with Catholic teachings is that they teach purgatory, praying to saints and Mary and repentance through a priest which is not biblical. That's why in the dark ages they took advantage of the church and perverted the truth and would kill and torture anyone who was against their false teachings.
"...and the Bible came to us through the Church." The primacy of Scripture is seen in 2Tim 3:16- All Scripture is inspired by God... and in the words of Jesus that "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away." Mark 13:31. You're right that Jesus did establish the church and that He used human instruments to communicate His inspired Word, but we are subservient to it, not it to us or the church.
@@felipebarron3479 I'd encourage you to look more deeply into the things that you said were "false teachings". I would suggest websites such as catholic answers. God bless.
@@alyssasloneker5126 I'm an ex catholic no need to, already done that
@@felipebarron3479 if catholic doesn't exist your church is never exist. It's true. Catholic canon the bibble you read now.
"Craft Beer drinking Calvinists", LOL. Ya know, beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy... 😀
Don't think you should be drawing your theology out of these thoughts, although I do get the joke.
And if you're part of many fundamentalist churches, drinking alcohol is downright sinful. While I don't agree with that stance, given its general abuse in American society I find myself siding with the abstentionists, not the prohibitionists.
The more appropriate question is, Are Catholics and protestants considered Christians according to Jesus.
Yes.
AMEN!! The ONE and ONLY answer that matters!!
Read Matthew 7:21!!!!
What matters is our relationship with God. Religion/Denomination is just a name
@@waekurojimolla9447 Religion is a broad category if anything, not a name. Just as Not all cultures nor religions are equal, compatible, nor desirable-- just as YHWH commands us not to worship false idols and that we are not to put 'gods' before Him, and Jesus warns us more than once that no man deceive us, and this particular topic illustrates why. Matt22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ 24Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.…
@@waekurojimolla9447 thank you Dan ..AMEN
Matt seems like the kind of guy I want to be friends with
And, Jeremy!!!!! Yes... Yes... Yes...
Y'all Be Safe!
I'm working on being kind of like Matt so that I'm the kind of guy you would want to be friends with too.
I’m a Filipino Roman Catholic, and all I can say is that I also love protestants and orthodox as well. I respect them and I also love their traditions. I think that what matters here is that we worship God as our only Lord and Savior in life despite of our different practices. God bless to all Christians. ✝️✝️✝️❤️🇵🇭
Sorry( but) love them but don't believe their doctrine read 1tim 4:1-2. .. Gal 1-1cc
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I love you too, from a coptic orthodox.
“Who forbids marriage and abstinence from foods that God created”….
That’s a Roman Catholic teaching.
To take the Eucharist literally is the work of the Holy Spirit, since the earliest Church understood it like that. St. Paul is talking about it....so you wont eat it in vain at the gatherings, and if you are hungry, fill your stomach at home. Bishop Ignatius of Antioch, that was baptized and thought by the original apostles wrote, that if you don't recognize our Lord in the Eucharist, you are not a part of the Church. The thing is that without the Eucharist, there is no Church, because everything pours and is sustained by Him Eucharistic. Also Eucharistic Lord constantly drags people to Him, so people experience Him actively. Please don't take this as a boasting or anything, but our salvation is at stake and it is good to at least hear all these things, so we can consider all of it. In peace.
But many, if not most, Protestants hold to some form of "real presence", in which Christ is present in the elements. Calvin, Luther and the traditions that flowed from them.
It is the change of substance that is rejected, because that doctrine isn't taught in scripture.
Lefo Lefo also Ignatius studied under St. John the author of the Gospel according to John, Revelation, and who was the Beloved Disciple, so theoretically Ignatius would know what Jesus actually meant, since he studied under a guy who knew Jesus in his earthly ministry.
Saxon Murray but, he only believes it so spiritually present not physically present. (Ie Luther thought “its bread with some spirit stuff” vs Catholic and Orthodox “it’s no longer bread and is Jesus, though it looks like bread”)
@@erc9468 Pantheism or panentheism?
It's a symbol. Spiritual things are of the Spirit. Spiritual things are difficult to describe, so metaphors are used. As Jesus did constantly.
If you think your relationship with the Spirit relies on a food prepared by a magician that you put into your body, you are stuck in ancient superstition.
Christ's preaching was that we are spiritual beings who need spiritual water and spiritual food.
Appeals to early Church fathers doesn't interest me, because debasing Spiritual truth (You have to be nourished by Spirit to experience salvation) is just something humans do. Spiritual things are understood by Spirit.
The "bread of life." "Living water."
If anything, the meaning of the passage implies that every time you eat or drink, let it be a reminder that Christ is the ultimate food and drink for our nourishment, and the ultimate source of material food and drink.
You might read and meditate on I Corinthians 2.
*Life is a eucharist." The ritual reminds us of this.
Love this video for opening minds from both traditions and breaking stereotypes!! Done wonderfully and we really need more videos like this online. Another interesting point is that the Catholic Church recognizes other denominations’ baptisms as actual baptisms which contributes to our recognition that all people who follow Christ are in fact Christians ❤️ when someone converts to Catholicism from protestantism they do not get re- baptized.
Thank you for the video. A diffrence that I notice is that on many questions and interpretations of scripture and the truth of faith and morals Catholics defer to the authority of the Church and protastants act more independently. As a Catholic self denial is mostly good because it helps us turn away from self satisfying behavior and thinking and towards knowing, loving and serving God. Also, as educated and prayful as one may be, I do not think people can interprate truth independently, we need the church. God bless you.
I think the reason protestants tend to be wary of the church's "authority" is due to the fact that the church has proven to be majorly wrong on a lot of things throughout history. Also, I would argue that protestants aren't "independent" in our interpretations but that we rely on God's guidance and read scripture for ourselves rather than blindly following what the church tells us.
stuffofme xx I got a notification saying you had replied but can't see it for some reason. Did you delete it? The notification said:
"Dolan Tremp Hello, thank you for your reply. The challange is that it is not easy or simple to decern God's guidence. As the video mentioned, protastants are able to distance/ divorce themselves fr..." (gets cut off here).
Unfortunately I can't really gather much from this but I'm interested in hearing the rest of what you had to say. I certainly don't disagree with you that it can be difficult to discern God's guidance, but without knowing where you were going with that, I don't really know how to respond. I genuinely enjoy having conversations about this kind of stuff though so hope I'll hear from you again.
@@dolantremp So sorry, yes I deleted it because I am actually trying be a more quite person as my tendancy is to talk too much. I basiclly wrote about decernment, retaining responsibility for communal historical sins and failures and the dangers and errors associated with relying on independent judgement. Sorry for the inconvenience that I may have caused you. God bless you.
@@stuffofmexx6077 Fair enough. I can definitely see both sides of it but just wanted to share how I see things. It wasn't really an inconvenience, just slightly confusing. I don't think there's anything wrong with talking a lot if there is a conversation to be had but ultimately that's your decision so no worries.
@@dolantremp When Adam and Eve ate of the tree, they thought they could judge right from wrong on their own authority, the way God does. And they were afraid and ashamed of their nakedness and got kicked out and forced to work and die. Christ came to restore our inheritance and call us back to it. Really sad if after all that you want to keep fumbling around in the darkness.
Which protestants do you mean? Since all disagree with Catholicism.
And one another.
As I Catholic, there was a time when your questions were my questions really. I praise God, that a protestant convert actually made me understand Catholic teaching fully based on scriptures. I suggest you talk with Scott Hahn.
I like your videos about the different denominations very much, especially your nice and respectful way of interacting personally with individual persons. Thank you very much! (converted catholic here)
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I really like this guy. I'm a Catholic and truly appreciate his honesty and questions. God bless!
I agree! I feel like the popular protestants say we Catholics arent Christians. I admire him and gospel simplicity as they are not anti-Catholic even tho they are protestant.
You’re a universal? How? Catholic means universal but yet they believe in extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, there is no salvation outside the Roman church? Church is the buddy/people not the buildings/Rome institutions.
This conversation is great and I’m thankful for it. I do have to point out, despite what you’ve seen people comment about it, that the Eucharist truly is Christ. It’s true that all He said meant more than what He was literally saying within that moment - but that’s the point. If you read those verses, He claims what sounds like cannibalism. People questioned him and got upset. He says it AGAIN, saying “For my flesh is *true* food, and my blood is *true* drink.” Then everyone left Him. Jesus doesn’t go back on His statement, He turns to His disciples and says “Will you leave me too?” It does not get any more literal than that. It is the most literal He has ever been
When Jesus said it is easier for the camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven he was very literal there. You can't just assume that John 6 flips to literal. Of course is body is true food. Why? Because his resurrection guarantees us life. Just like he said "whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life" again very literal here, but we take it as spiritual.
Wilson W.T. Respectfully, that doesn’t make sense to me. When He’s talking about giving us water that we will never thirst, it isn’t literal in the words He’s speaking. Jesus doesn’t give physical water to drink. It’s a metaphor. Also, I don’t understand why you’re saying John 6 flips to literal - the recounting of events in John is literally what that happened. That being said, my point stands, Jesus words about the Eucharist were literal, and the immediate events as a result of those words prove it.
"Ah, you're Catholic and I'm a Christian." is now ever growing in Latin America and the Philippines (thanks to several waves of American Protestant missions which are also now infiltrating the Middle Eastern Christian communties). I had a terrible experience as a Catholic in a state university with very active Evangelical Protestant groups where I was told I was a pagan. Protestant groups here in the Philippines are very narrow minded. Sometimes, they are toxic. They troll our Catholic festivals. I always cringe whenever I hear Filipino celebrities claiming "I am now a Christian" after leaving the Catholic Church, like they were not Christians during the height of their careers?
As a Latin American Protestant, I agree with you. Unfortunately, the protestants here refer to catholics as non-christians. I think that it happens because Catholicism is so traditional in Latin America, that the majority of catholics are not people who live as chiristians. The latin american protestants, descended of these "non born-again" catholics, discovered the gospel and a relationship with Jesus in the protestant churches, and so they began to think that catholics don't have this relationship, because the catholics they know didn't have it. What I'm saying is not prejudice or misconception in any ways. The mainline christian church of a country trends to become a church full of people who goes there only by tradition, and not by heart. The same thing can be seen in a Protestant country, where catholic people can say that the protestants there don't live as true christians. I'm sorry for what happened to you. There are a lots of catholics that truly live as christians in Latin America and Philippines, and we have to learn to respect these people as our brothers.
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"Only tradition" that's really how mainstream Protestant groups view Catholicism.
I agree there are supersitious Catholics who combine Catholicism with indigenous religions BUT Catholicism itself is way different. This is a realization I had later when I reverted to Catholicism after joining a Filipino "born again" Protestant group in college.
@@ProximaCentauri88 yes, I see that true catholicism consists of genuine faith and so on. The tradition that I talk is not about the rituals and sacraments, but the people who goes to church to take eucharistia, but outside the church, they live as non-believers. In my country, Brazil, for example, maybe 80% of the people who celebrate the sodomite feast of carnival would say they are catholics. When the idea of catholics that you have is that, it is easy to say that catholics are not christians. The same thing could happen in Sweden, where despite the majority of people describing themselves as protestants, they only go to church by tradition and don't believe in God.
@@isaquedosreisneves9947 Sacraments are as equally important as the Bible. The Bible, sacred traditons with the sacramentals are supplemental to each other. Reading the Bible WITHOUT reference to the traditions of the early church (such as the Holy Eucharist and the motherly role of Mary to Christians) is the main reason why there are now over ten thousand churches, each with its own interpretation.
Jesus did not leave a scripture alone. He left a Church which despite persecution thrived with their sacred traditions, traditions that have been passed to every generation across continents...things that most post-Reformation Christians are now dismissing as unimportant and "just traditions" that do not help building realtionship with God.
@@ProximaCentauri88 I'm catholic from Argentina. My english is very bad but I'm ex protestant and I agree whit you: protestants don't say "christians" to the catholics... and it's curious because they are'nt really christians. They stole that name because they have a really big proselytizing machinery.They don't know nothing about the Sacraments but they always attack it.
I love how Jeremy takes his time to answer these questions with so much grace and patience. I would love to chat with this man someday....preferably over hot fries. Bro, eat the fries!
Matt, I was born and raised a Catholic, however I didn't actually surrender my life to Jesus until about 11 months ago (37 years into my life) because I received a grace from God, to be in a position in my life in which after 11 1/2 years of marriage my wife was convicted that she wanted out. The journey with Jesus has been amazing and very intense. My comment is a response to the final question that you posed at the end of this video. Full disclosure, I am highly uneducated. The highest form of education I have ever received is 12 units at a community college for some general education. I might as well be a "fisherman." I feel moved by the Holy Spirit however to offer a different perspective that I don't really hear at all surprisingly. I am going to play Devil's Advocate here. The Catholic Church has been under attack by Satan since the beginning. If I was the Enemy and I know the weaknesses of Man, wouldn't I want to attack those weaknesses relentlessly? One of our many human weaknesses is our own selfish pride. If a Pope acted in a despicable manner (he is still just a man with weakness just like any of us), wouldn't we open ourselves up to the attacks from the Enemy by taking a position of judgment. God is the one true and only judge. I would offer that the Enemy is pleased by the number of Christian denominations there are (thousands) because of the lack of unity. However, after more than 2,000 years, the Catholic Church still stands. All Glory and Praise to Jesus.
@@Bibleindepth Jesus established a Church and a religion.
You should read “Crossing the Tiber” by Stephen Ray.
I will pray for you.
Steven ray is the best!!!
Do not cross the Tiber! Caesar did and look what the Roman hiearchy did to him!
-Catholic say "Jesus is our Lord and our Savior"
-Protestant say "Jesus is our Lord And our Savior"
-Orthodoxe say "Jesus is our Lord and our Saviour"
I'm Catholic, I usually say "Jesus is our Lord and our Savior" but now ill be sure to say "Jesus is ou Lord and our Savior" lol
No one has a problem with that... it's what they said and did AFTER that. :)
@@simontemplar3359 Right. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Our deeds show what we believe.
The judaizers also said that, yet Paul called their teachings "another gospel." (Galatians 1)
@@Lerian_V Well said. St. James makes a similar point about faith without works being dead.
Something that bothered me about Protestantism was the fact that ‘truth’ was based on me and my feelings/thoughts/ideas. If I didn’t think one church taught what I considered ‘true’ I would switch to a different one that was more in line with my beliefs. But then my beliefs would change with maturity, understanding, etc. That is why I am a Catholic. It is true whether I like it or not, agree with it or not, believe in it or not. Its Truth is independent of me. Sometimes it is very hard to be a Catholic, and align my will with the truth, but it is always worth it. I thank God every day for bringing me home to the Catholic Church.
Hi Matt I have been watching a lot of your content over the last 2 years, Thank you for your informative and balanced discussions. I am a convert to Anglicanism, all my family are still Catholic and we attend each others services. In Ireland of course we have an added historical dimension of reformation, colonisation, the security that came with being protestant and then the restoration in the 20th century when the Catholic Church did exactly the same thing. I came to Anglicanism after many years denying God, mainly because it was the only sacre mantel liturgical church willing to teach and nurture the very immature faith I had grown up with. Most of our family, friends etc are only nominally Christian and have no interest in Learning anything more about their rich and beautiful Catholic faith. I left my faith tribe and washed my hands of the almost insurmountable problems that still beset the Catholic Church and am free to believe that the eucharistic is the actual body and blood of our Lord or not, as the Orthodox would say its a mystery.
Dude, I've seen and listened to a lot of people talking about religion and Christianity on RUclips and no one does it better than you do! Keep up the excellent work! God bless!
This is a nice conversation. Wishing everyone here good health and please stay safe
Two extremely well spoken individuals, so so so nice
Are you going to eat that stuff eventually? It's getting cold
LOL.. I keep thinking that, too; EAT, guys!!! Have a drink, too.
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Oh.. I thought those were just props. 😊
I agree with you. In college the Protestant Campus Ministry that I was apart of worked better with the Catholic Campus Ministry than with any of the other Protestant groups on campus. I had an awesome conversation with the Catholic priest and he actually gave me words of encouragement as I am now preparing to start seminary in the fall. I have had wonderful conversations with Catholic priests and Catholic laity that have shown me that we are all Christian and we agree on the main things.
I'm really impressed by your honesty and willingness to ask questions. I'm a Catholic that dreams of having such forthright and respectful conversations with my Protestant friends! God bless your work, brother.
Catholic commenter here. I really enjoy your style of presentation and candidness. I’m a sort of convert and spent time in the Protestant world and left with a bad impression. Your questions and explanations help challenge a lot my misconceptions about Protestants. Thanks!
I love these videos. I am Catholic and to be honest with you, I find very few Catholics that don't consider Prosestants Christians. It's almost always the other way around IMO. I hear a good number of Protestants who don't consider Catholics Christians. I still love my Protestant brothers and sisters, and continue to pray for unity through Christ.
I would argue that the majority of Catholics have no idea what the Catholic church actually teaches. Us protestants believe we are saved by grace and not works. The Council of Trent has already spoken and said we are an anathema (cursed)
@@ronnied1172 Catholics believe we are saved by grace, but faith without works is dead. In other words, it is God's grace (and only His grace that saves us), but out of that grace good works would naturally flow and we should strive to live out Christ's teachings. If we are baptized and accept Christ, we are saved. That doesn't give us free reign to then sin because "works are irrelevant." I don't view you as "(you) Protestants." I view you as brothers and sisters in Christ. Read Vatican II to see how Catholics view Protestants. The Council of Trent may have already spoken, but it's the Holy Spirit who guides and corrects.
@@80sports20 I reject the Catholic Church, mass, Eucharist, purgatory and the bodily assumption of Mary. You think the Catholic church would still call me a Christian?
@@ronnied1172 It's not for me to speak for the Catholic Church. I accept the Catholic Church, Mass, Eucharist, purgatory and the bodily assumption of Mary. You think Protestants would still call me a Christian?
@@80sports20 Nope. If you are knowingly accepting those Catholic traditions/beliefs. You are not a Christian.
When Jeroboam separated from Judah they started their own forms of worship. That's why they became lost to Israel. The King's of Judah were far worse then the renaissance pope's were yet God did not rescind his promises. Catholic's put up with a lot, at all times, from outside of the church and from inside the Church. There are lots of decks on the barque of Peter and some of them smell bad and lots of them are in a shambles however the promise was that the Ark would make it despite it all.
The kings of Judah were never considered by God's people of being able to make infallible utterances.
@Adam Price The 10 northern tribes were "lost". They were eventually captured and dispersed among the nations so lost their connection to the Temple.
@Adam Price Hopefully temporary, but they must turn back, though baptism. The renewed Israel still celebrates the Holy Sacrifice. There are numerous parallels to the daily sacrifice at the Temple and the Daily sacrifice of the Mass. God speaks to us in concepts as well as words. Check out Brant Pitre and Scott Hahn on the Eucharist, The 4th cup and many other videos if you want to go more deeply into this.
The CCC says we are all joined through baptism whether Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant but I do believe that the Catholics and Orthodox are in the inner circle so to speak because they voluntarily and figuratively carrying the Ark (Sacrifice) through history. This doesn't mean however that those in other tribes and nations are not able to get to the promised land.
Michele Mullins well said, Michelle! I feel like both testaments are reflections of each other, right down to the split.
@Adam Price Very interesting name meanings. Imagery is a kind of universal language.
The Catholic Church has traditionally understood itself to be the New Israel regathering the lost tribes so yes. Ephraim and Manasseh were recaptured 600 years later.... I think you could say that much of Israel has again been captured - seduced into false systems like atheism, materialism, scientism and rival religions.
14:34 *or 14:33
I apologize, but that is simply not true. The Catechism clearly upholds the Council of Trent such that every Protestant who knowingly rejects the Roman proclamation that salvation is not by grace alone through faith alone without any value from Christian works is condemned as a heretic.
So for people such as myself who know a decent amount of Romanist theology and yet reject those principles on the stance that Paul rejected any addition to the means of grace provided by God to His Church (see Galatians 1-6 where even adding being an Israelite as a requirement to grace was enough for anathematization), Rome declares us to be in open rebellion to Rome and condemned outside of the boundaries of Roman fellowship and the Roman Church’s dispensation of salvific grace.
That’s astonishing that the Council of Trent was not immediately consulted in regard to Matt’s question even with the strong circling around the epicenter of Protestant Christian and Romanist historical woes.
That edict certainly was and still is a breaking point of fellowship between the two communions. In doing this, Rome also cut off many still within its own flock who would have to work in shades of concealment (such as the group Blaise Pascal belonged to and others to this day) in order to freely express what is found in the Scriptures.
Key word: knowingly.
CCC 2089 "...the person who is objectively in heresy is not formally guilty of heresy if 1) their ignorance of the truth is due to their upbringing in a particular religious tradition (to which they may even be scrupulously faithful), and 2) they are not morally responsible for their ignorance of the truth. This is the principle of invincible ignorance, which Catholic theology has always recognized as excusing before God..."
please do not call Catholics "Romanists", since it is a derogatory term.
Also the only place in which is written "Faith alone" is James chapter 2, in which it is condemned.
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The term was not created to be derogatory, but to acknowledge how centralized unto Rome the Roman tradition is.
And James chapter 2 does not condemn "faith alone," and it is not the only place where it is in the Bible. There are actually too many places where this is in the Bible, but the Epistle to the Romans which has a systematic theology from Adam to Jesus is great at reading such a thing.
What James said was that true faith (true trusting in God) is shown in life (just as Paul stated in Romans and just as the Reformers all confessed and as right-thinking and knowledgeable Protestant Christians confess to this day-- it also was what led the Evangelical movement). When a person trusts in God their trust is shown to the outside world by their actions, though it still is only their trusting in God which God sees with His all-seeing eyes (and also His hands which produced that trust, see Ephesians 2:8-10). We humans cannot see the heart, so Christ tells us to judge by the fruit of the tree.
But get this: a "good" tree will produce good fruit because it already is a "good" tree.
So aside from the fact that I use the term "Romanist" in its historical context and not as an insult, I suggest that you reread James's letter in its context because he not only agreed with Paul (Ephesians 2:8-10 also includes verse 10), but he agreed with his brother Jesus.
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And so my comment is adamantly true, that Rome does willingly condemn Matt, myself, and all true Protestant Christians as well as those within Rome's system who had and still have likewise convictions even from the early Fathers (who directly influenced the Reformers in the first place).
@@KMANelPADRINO Do you agree that we must respond to Gods Grace? To also accept his mercy, to repent, and be good?
That's basically what catholics mean by works. So Faith and works, just means we must respond to Gods will and grace. Our responses become acts. It has nothing to do with earning salvation by ones own merit.
“Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, and Christ alone”
When we get persecuted for our faith, Baptist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Protestant, or Catholic, it won’t matter. We will all be united by our love for Christ. The Bride, the Church, may have disagreements, but when it comes down to it, we are united.
Steven Velez side note- the first three traditions you mention all fall under Protestantism
Diana Janna I mean.. duh. What does that prove? The Church is the believers. Romans 14 acknowledges that we’d have disagreements but to live in peace. That’s such a weak argument.
Absolutely true..It will be Christianity...
You are absolutely right if. Christ is your lord and savior and you accept him as so..that is what is important
No. Cults are not brothers and sister in christ. Are Mormons Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh day adventist ect? Salvation matters. Believing the trinity and knowing Jesus deity isn't enough. Its also what and how he did it.
I dont mean to be condemning. Im telling you out of care and decernment. It matters. 😔🙏
Dude, I think that most devout Catholics look at Protestants in the exact same way (more or less) that we look at Catholics who don't go to Mass or Confession regularly. It's like, *WE WANT THE BEST FOR YOU,* and we don't understand why you wouldn't want the same for yourself. That's frustrating in its own right, and the best we can do is love you into the fullness of the Christian faith as God loved you into existence.
Protestantism, though - and here's where the "(more or less)" distinction comes into play - has a wide variety of theological oppositions to Catholicism, some of which are more blasphemous than others; and we don't exactly know where any individual Protestant is coming from at any particular time, so there's a defensiveness that creeps into us. So, so many Protestants don't even bother to read the Catechism before they engage in theological accusations that simply aren't true! Think: "yOu PrAy To StAtUeS." 1. No, we obviously don't. 2. If it's "faith alone," and we clearly have as much faith in Christ as you do, then... [cue Miles Davis riff] so what?
Not only that, but where is the authority? Scripture doesn't come equipped with a table of contents. The Bible has been used to justify slavery. The Bible has been used to justify genocide - look what's happening in the Middle East! I heard somebody quote the Bible the other day - where St. Paul writes "there is no man nor woman" - *to literally claim that Jesus was transgender.* I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried, dude. Those things are *INCOMPATIBLE* with Christianity.
Hey, I realize that not all Protestants support these interpretations, but that's where you can wind up without Apostolic authority. You just go through life and you realize how ridiculous Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura are. No true Catholic holds those positions, because we acknowledge that Jesus created a Church to guide us, and *THAT'S IN SCRIPTURE!* As far as Protestants go, there's like anywhere from 400 to 6,000 different possibilities. Some are hostile. Some aren't. Some are more misguided than others. We love you all the same - love, meaning "to will the good of the other."
Here's my point. We know you. We care about you. We love you. We want to bring you closer to Christ. We don't always understand why you refuse, because we (understandably) don't always understand what exactly it is you believe. We know that Christ has always intended there to be *UNITY* among His followers. We want you participate fully in that with us, and He wants us to want that from you. Dig it?
There was only one Christian Church for over a thousand years before the East-West Schism, which should, God willing, be mended in my lifetime - thanks to Pope Paul VI and all the ecumenical discussions between the popes and patriarchs since! I pray for that every day. And I pray everyday for Protestants, even the ones who spit in our face (and the face of Christ) either implicitly or explicitly, with or without full knowledge, because I genuinely want everybody who loves Christ to be one in the *fullness* of that Christian faith.
I haven't even watched but five minutes of this video, but I'm eager to watch it all the way through. You seem like a good guy, and I just wanted to say whatever I had to say before my thoughts could be tainted by whatever prejudice I may hold within my heart. I just wanted to let you know all of this before I even pressed play. God bless you.
From what I've learned the earliest Christians believed in the Eucharist like Catholics do. The Eucharist was the center of mass for them. I want to follow their lead on that. Bishop Robert Barron ("Word on Fire" RUclips page) does a compelling job explaining Christ's teaching on the Eucharist. Also, different than what was said in the video, a better scriptural argument for the Eucharist as understood by Catholics comes from John 6, where Christ makes it clear he is not using metaphor. That is why the disciples turned away. It is indeed a "hard saying". See Barron's explanation on that. Also, having infrequent but deeply thought out infallible teachings from the magisterium is really clarifying and a guardrail for me in various ethical issues (like contraception)--that made a lot of sense for me in becoming Catholic. Yes, Popes are sinners like the rest of us. Most important part of this though: love my devout protestant brothers and my time in protestant churches. Love this channel too as we need to be united.
@Monica Merino Well, if you look at it beyond the materiality/sense-based aspects of it (for example, blood can only be blood, flesh can only flesh, this happened only 2,000 years ago, etc.), or just taking the words literally as they are- You can draw from that the event, which is central to ALL Christians, that is, Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection, (Without any of those, we lose the unique claims of Christianity), you can draw from the Last Supper is that it is the initiation of something supernatural. It is not a commonplace thing that happened in that room, like a bunch of friends having a going-away party, no. Christ's Passion, Death, and Resurrection, transcends all time and all space, because those things are the purpose of His becoming like us, it is the linchpin of All Creation, from Adam's Fall to the Last Judgment. So that bread does not become just bread- that wine does not become just wine, that Cross does not become just an instrument of punishment, but all had become implements of our Salvation.
The confusion rises in trying to tie in the New Testament as an immediate continuation of the Old Testament in the way Jews would envision any sort of continuation of the OT- that is, with a Temple, with animal sacrifices, with a king, and a Jewish kingdom- rather, the New Testament releases ALL of humanity from the sort of oppressive tribalism and pharisaism that the Jews, and everyone else, engaged in and deprived everyone of a loving relationship with God. Why else was Our Lord murdered by them? Because He posed a different narrative than what prevailed then- externally obedient, but internally rotten.
@Monica Merino Jesus does not lie. It is His Flesh and Blood, the way the Risen Christ is with us though He is seated at the right Hand of the Father. They ate His Flesh, and drank His Blood because He claimed them to be so.
The NT wasn't even written and codified until hundreds of years later; this is because Our Lord wrote nothing, and never ordered anything to be written- instead He commanded you to Eat His Flesh, and Drink His Blood, directly- not the Apostles, but Jesus commanded it.
What I've never understood is that the people who believe in transubstantiation base their belief on those who took it literally were also the same ones who turned away and yet ignore those who took Christ words metaphorically and stayed.
@@RyanKCR Their understanding of a Messiah diverged. All those people who left were expecting a Judas Maccabeus figure, but turned out to them they were following a madman; in essence they believed that Jesus was just "a rabbi" or even "a prophet" but could not take a step further in believing Jesus was "The Son of God" who was essentially divine, and had to be both the High Priest and the Sacrifice upon the altar that is the cross. This was "a difficult teaching" to say the least, because it was literal, but those people could not make the jump of faith and assumed that Jesus was a madman who told people to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood as though he were a normal human being.
The Last Supper clarified that the bread becomes His Body, and the wine becomes His Blood, because in essence, those who follow Jesus partake in becoming one with Him- it was not a coincidence that the Bread and Wine that Jesus told his disciples to eat and drink is made up of small particles that had to be crushed- likewise, a Christian will be destroyed and crushed by the world, but they will be incorporated into what is called "The Mystical Body of Christ", which is an organism that we call "The Church"- all the baptized Christians doing Jesus' will, is a part of this body, and we do what He instructed us to do, including taking communion, eating literally His Body, and His blood.
I think at the time, the Apostles, the people who stayed, were a lot like a little kid trusting that their dad is doing what's best for them. When the Last Supper happened, you could tell, they were like "What's going on? Are you going away? Why are you saying we can't come with you? When are we fighting the Romans?" So they had to make a leap of faith when Jesus said what He said.
@Monica Merino --> No, they were not symbolic. If they were only symbolic then the disciples would have understood Christ in John 6. In Catholic theology the bread and wine used at the last supper were indeed bread and wine but Jesus transformed them into his body, blood, soul, and divinity. Their appearance, texture, and taste are called the "accidents" of the items. But the SUBSTANCE was changed and were no longer bread and wine but Christ himself, ergo "The Bread of Life." Of course you have to have faith to accept this which is the main reason Protestants are our separated brethren.
I am going to make it my goal to watch ALL of your videos. I will let you know when I am finished. Great videos man.
Years ago Dennis Prager had a radio show on Sunday nights called Religion on the line. It was absolutely fascinating, informative and inspiring. So happy to have found your channel. So far looks like the discussion are with Christians of varying denominations which are many! Very interesting to learn how different denominations are expressed. :)
As a Catholic I believe you are doing God’s work. Keep at it. Pray for the reunion of all Christians.
I am a convert to Catholicism from a household where my dad was a deacon in the Methodist church. I thought this was a beautiful conversation between two brothers in Christ.
That said... I find it abhorrent that Mexican Catholics refer to Protestants as Christians, but call themselves Catholics as if Christian were a pejorative. I think it shows the deep rooted "My momma told me.." mentality in Mexican households that don't really listen to their priest, and stick to tradition (lower case) over the actual teaching of the Church.
I see Protestants calling themselves Christians as if they own the term. Then they challenge Catholics asking if they are Christians. Sometimes confused the less educated Catholic responds, "no, I'm Catholic", buying into the idea that Protestants own the term. I think it comes more out of confusion about the term than any pejorative.
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As we do in the states and that doesn't prevent exactly the confusion I mentioned.
@Steven Irizarry
Read it again. He said he left a "church" established by sinners and joined the Church established by God.
The things is... they (protestants) own the word Christian now, and is goes deeper than that, when the government does the sens every 10 years or get married, if you say you are only Christian they well assume that you are protestant, and not only that there is another church that they call them self's Catholic, so we have to say that we are Christian Catholic-Roman... If you don't say that people will not understand sadly...
So I think it's more fault of our government because those practices are staying with people I don't blame them. Obviously I don't like that I have to say I'm Christan Catholic everytime people ask.. but anyway. Protestants here made their way to own the word Christian...
@Steven Irizarry it's funny to see your comments an to see how the devil is working on you, are you an atheist or why are you trolling other people? Or trying to divide...
As a Catholic and fellow Christian I consider you a brother in Christ and I admire your openness to truth and your attitude of. Seeking it through dialogue. What I see is a man on a journey with many roadblocks that have cluttered your way those roadblocks have been placed by both well meaning Protestants and Some Catholics also. You will be in my prayers and I trust if you continue down this road by the grace of God carefully discerning truth you will find he whom you seek.
I Admire your charitable attitude.