Hi Wizard, could you make a video for a mazda vehicle or which mazda to buy or not to buy? It seems like to me mazda has build up decent sales and reputations to be a quality automaker. Thanks
My 2011 Santa Fe I bought used with 90k miles. It has a V6 and it’s amazing. No problems with oil leaking. Some wear and tear stuff but that’s expected. And I did a presale inspection to make sure it wasn’t a lemon And we have a 2007 Hyundai Azera that is also a gem. Amazing V6 engine as well without oil leaks or coolant leaks!
bought my daughter a 2018Hyundai Santa Fe in 2019. The single worst purchase I've ever made - it hasn't been stolen or burst into flames [yet] but our insurance premiums in Illinois are more reflective of a luxury sedan than an economy vehicle.
I have a 2008 Santa Fe. Changed timing belt, water pump…etc at 98,000. Plugs at 98,000, CV left replaced. Now has 180,000 miles. Burns no oil. Still runs and drives smooth like it did at 98,000. Interior and exterior still looks fine probably because I took care of it. Hoping to get 250,000+
I have a 2008 Santa Fe as well and it now has about 305,000 miles on it. I recently had to have some of the wheel bearings and other things replaced but it has been a good vehicle. Mostly highway miles.
I had a 2013 Rio. I racked up 98,000 miles before selling it and the only items I needed to replace over those 98,000 miles was a battery, tires, and a license plate light. I sold it to my supervisor's son, and he totaled the car a month later lol.
@@Ziegfried82 true. I have a coworker that has a 2003 Rio. He has over 300k miles! It sounds like an old car granted, and he uses 10w40 oil because it uses some, but it’s still going. I really like the brands of Kia and its sister company Hyundai. You just have to make sure you’re buying one that was manufactured in South Korea. They’re well built and you get much more feature-wise for the money than other companies… like Toyota.
I have the Gen 1 Santa Fe. It was a $400 abused turd. The 2.7l V6 is impressive. I replaced the broken timing belt and bent valves on one side. It still runs after I fixed it! Had to replace lots of rubber parts, motor mounts, and other stuff. Once you get these parts replaced, it will keep running and going. It's okay for the DIY person, not a single mom.
My daughter had 1, she got rid of it with 380k mi on it. She only got rid of it to get a different car. Thing ran great still, and it wasn't all highway miles. My dad had 1 also, thing was a tank.
My housemate has 1. Can't lock the doors, the rear hatch is stuck closed, the heating system doesn't work properly, lots of vibration and interior noises, the writing on buttons are gone even if the car isn't that old, the hvac poorly work, constantly adding oil, transmission slips...bunch of problems
The 2.7L in the 1st Gen Santa Fes were good engines. The 2nd Gens from '07 - '09 with the 3.3L V6 are considered the best SFs built, with the '09s being the top of the list. I personally own a 2010 Limited with 169k kms and a 2011 GLS with 270k kms, both have the 3.5L V6, 6 speed auto transmissions and are AWD. I've owned the 2011 for 7 years, and the 2010 for 1 year, and I do all of my own service work, unless I require a lift. Synthetic oil changes every 5k kms and regular maintenance as required, as well as yearly undercoating and cavity wax for rust prevention. The 2nd gen Santa Fes (3.3L and 3.5L V6 models) are nowhere near as unreliable as this video suggests, however I would personally never purchase a Santa Fe newer than 2012.5. That's when they came out with the Gen 3, 4 cyl GDI turbo engines that are notorious for dying. The 2nd Gen V6s are known for oil pressure switches that leak because they're made from plastic, and when they get to a certain age, the plastic becomes brittle and the sensor leaks oil onto the engine and transmission seam, which is commonly misdiagnosed as a rear main seal engine leak. Other than that, I've done frequent brake work on the 2011 (pads and rotors), fluid changes and the normal maintenance required for a 11-12 year old, high mileage vehicle. Yes that's also included ball joints, struts and bushings, but that's all because of age and the poor condition of the roads we drive on, and not the fact that these are poorly built SUVs. I actually picked the 2011 Santa Fe over vehicles like the CR-V because for one, the 3.5L makes 276HP, tows up to 3500lbs, is bigger than all of the same vehicles in that year class, and still gets 26-28 mpg on the highway. And in my area, these SUVs hold their value, not depreciate, as suggested in this video.
290k kms on 2010 Santa Fe. Had all the front end work done as mentioned. Intake manifold runner control last year. Car still runs fine. Has paid for itself. Rust spray every year. No rust at all. Canada
Wizard, to be fair the GDI motor in this particular generation of Santa Fe was notoriously bad but some of the suspension components sound like wear and tear due to age.
This is why you ALWAYS get a fuel service done every 30K. No exceptions. In addition if you put in BG44K in your gas tank every other oil change (every 10K miles) it will also help reduce the amount of carbon around the valves.
My 12 year old 175k mile tacoma hasn't had any single issue other than base nuts maintenance and consumables. I've done some bushings out of the pursuit of the best steering and handling I can get as I spend 90% of my time on a 75mph highway.
As a Hyundai tech of 6 years, a 2012 Santa Fe was the last year of the good engine. After 2013 when they went GDI, they were garbage. This body style has its issues like the transmission temp sensor that goes bad (requires transmission valve body removal to replace), rear wheel hub bearings that have to be replaced due to failed wheel speed sensors (sensors are built into the hub) and a host of electrical issues. I will say that have a 12 to 13 year old vehicle with rubber bushings will not last forever. Daniel San replacing his control arm bushings, sway bar end links & bushing plus rear trailing arm bushings starting to tear is normal wear & tear. My wife had to replace front lower control arm bushings on her 2012 Honda Accord before I ever met her. She also had to have the VTEC solenoid O-ring replaced due to oil leakage (this all occurred at 84,000 miles). Does this mean that her Honda is bad? Absolutely not, those items are wear items, they will fail over time. Same thing is happening with my brother-in-law’s 2010 Toyota Camry. He needed CV axles boots, valve cover gasket and struts because, again, these are wear items that will require replacement over time. Both Honda & Toyota are having their fair share of quality control issues that require a recall. Currently, Honda will not sell any Acura/Honda vehicle with the J-series V6 due to poor machining in the oil galleries that will cause engine failures. Toyota is recalling a host of vehicles due to failing low pressure fuel pumps that will cause the vehicle to stall. Yes, on the whole Honda & Toyota are known for their reliability but the truth is, doing a Used Car Inspection from a reputable technician is anyone’s best bet before buying a vehicle. That & researching that particular vehicle to see will the cost of ownership be more than a consumer can handle. Also, does Daniel San know the exact history of this Santa Fe? For example, the service records from the previous owner? To make a blanket statement that all Hyundai & Kia’s can’t be recommended is a bit of a stretch. I personally for one, WOULD recommend a 2007-12 Santa Fe with either the 3.3 V6 (used from 2007-2009) or the 3.5 V6 used from 2010-12 (the 4 cylinder not so much since the fuel economy isn’t much better than the V6 and certain 4 cylinders had oil consumption issues, plus you get better performance from the V6). As I stated before, there are some issues that it has but overall, I used to see these models come into my old Hyundai dealer with over 130,000 miles needing maintenance.
Well said. Dont confuse wear and tear with poor workmanship. Im going on 20 worry free years w Hyundais. Take care of the maintenance and they will take care of you. Unlike the Mercedes, Audis and BMWs I’ve owned and still own.
What about the Genesis with the 3.3t engines how good are they long term ? I’ve had a 2012 Genesis with the 4.6 v8 and that engine reached 200k with only cam sensors going bad
It’s good internet fodder to throw insults at car brands. It gets the armchair quarterbacks all riled up. Funny thing is, if you do a search you’ll find horror stories on all brands. I don’t care what it is. Since the late 1980s I’ve owned five VWs. Three from new. The internet “experts” hated them all. Strange because I experienced exactly none of the problems they claimed. It is true all manufacturers have hiccups. So you need to listen to these issues same as reading Amazon reviews. Some are exaggerated and some aren’t. Good luck figuring out which is which.
@@haitibwoi6122 I personally wouldn't recommend a turbocharged Hyundai. From my experience as a tech, I've replaced failed turbochargers on every Hyundai model from the Genesis coupe with the 2.0 to the 1.6 turbo in the Velosters & Tucsons. The 3.3 turbos suffer from leaking oil feed hoses that were actually a recall on the G70s. If not careful, the oil feed will leak onto the hot turbo & could catch on fire. The 4.6 Tau engine is a good strong engine that will last a good while.
I'm running a 2011 Elantra Touring that recently passed 200k. No issues besides wear items needing replacing like you said. I know others with the same model at the same or even higher mileage then mine. Hyundai can make some decent cars, it's just a matter of doing research on the model you want (which you should do for any vehicle, regardless of the manufacturer's reputation) and staying on top of maintenance.
My boss bought his daughter a 2006 Sonata 3.3 V6 with around 140k miles for his daughter as a graduation present. She's had it 7 years, has been doing door dash and other deliveries and he says she's been really good about telling him when she needs an oil change, etc. The car now has 380,000 miles. The only breakdown occurred because the valve cover gasket leaked oil into the alternator. My boss says that car has been the best $3500 he's ever spent.
My mom bought her 2007 3.3 new. All these years later she says she doesn't want another car, it's been largely trouble free. Yep, that common valve cover gasket problem, the recall fix didn't work. On the 4th alternator now, I think the first 3 were reimbursed. What's interesting we also have a 2006 Sonata with the same 3.3, it doesn't have that problem. The reason for the leak is the slight tilt of the angle of the engine in Santa Fe.
^ I second that. Gen 5 sonatas (06-10’) are hidden gems. The V6 is surprisingly quick, huge trunk, nice factory audio system ($10 fm transmitter was game changing), 30mpg highway, and you can get them with 100k miles for 4-5k easily. I have an 08 that was my first car I ever bought. Has been so reliable, it’s the only car I’ve ever bought. Many years later I still see no reason to “upgrade”.
That 3.3L is probably the best motor Hyundai/Kia ever put out. I'm sure it's actually a leased/purchased design like a lot of their motors. Example. My Sorento's 3.5L motor is actually just a Mitsubishi 6G74 with a slightly taller deck to the heads. The infamously terrible Theta motors, are actually Mitsubishi 4B11's but some idiot enginerd somewhere decided to make the oil and cooling passages SMALLER. What a bright idea.
I own a 2013 Santa Fe (three row seats) with a 3.3L V6 that I bought brand new. It has been well maintained and now has 155K miles. No engine issues. Did replace the rear differential electronic coupler, that's all.
I bought a 2004 Hyundai Santa Fe for my wife in December 2003. When I got her the car of her dreams, a Ford Mustang convertible in 2014, I took the Hyundai. It now has over 200,000 miles with the original engine and transmission. It has been a very good car for us and the only major issue I’ve had was the lousy paint job from Hyundai. We had it repainted in 2015 and that paint job still looks great today with no rust (Florida vehicle) It’s still going up and down the road just fine with just basic repairs. It is starting to use some oil now though as I’ve noticed between oil changes, I have to put a quart in. Because these car prices are so ridiculously high, I’m just going keep driving her until the wheels fall off. 😄👍
I had a 06 Hyundai tiburon and after 224k miles, I finally sold it. It was an absolutely great car. Never had to do anything major to keep it on the road.
Just picked up a 08 with the 2.7, spent good money replacing the same parts they list here. It’s all good tho it’s an old car it’s expected. I feel like these guys were too harsh on this car for no reason.
My wife has had two Hyundai Sonata Limited's (2006 w/3.3L V6) and currently a 2014 Limited (2.4L 4 cylinder). Not one warranty claim on either and both are/were over 100K miles. Maintenance is the key! When you buy used, it's a risk for sure but we always buy new and keep them 8+ years or more.
Those are normal wear and tear items. It's fortunate that this is a Hyundai, because those parts prices for a Honda or Toyota would be outrageous. The bottom line is Toyota's and Hondas are very expensive to repair because the couch run parts prices. Example: door latch for Hyundai is $45. Door latch for Toyota sienna is $1,800.
I have a 2011 hyundai accent diesel manual, and 2015 kia sorento diesel auto at the 120,000 mile. I live in korea, so they're a dime and dozen. I've had the accent for about 10 years. Awesome car. Fun to drive. Low maintenance. Sorento bought it used 3 months ago. So far no issues. Best car I've owned. I've owned about 20. My impression: domestic cars in korea are best. Ive had volvo, vw, bmw and audi. But they've all failed me. Cost of maintenance was too high.
BMW and Audi have never been known for reliability. Old school German made Mercedes Benz on the other hand were bullet proof. Older Volvos were supposedly good but I never knew anyone who had one. Hyundai though? The older ones were junk, rarely lasting over 100,000 miles. The newer ones seem better made but of course also come with considerably higher prices (still cheaper than Toyota though).
@@Ziegfried82 not realy cheaper than Toyota here in the US now. I'd never buy one, given we like to drive up to 200K or even 400K which toyota, and some other brands can do but not these korean cars since at least the '10ish period onward
It sounds pretty funny to me that a mechanic did not do a pre-sales inspection of a vehicle he's buying for himself but you all keep telling us to always get one so in that sense sounds like he got the vehicle he deserved
Yes, thus mechanic strangely enough is nodding to everything the wizard is saying. Obviously few sensor and bushing is hardly anything to get furious about. Especially on a 15 year old vehicle. I know one family who spent nothing on a 2010 hyundai santa fe six cylinder expect oil change and the vehicle kept running. The brakes, rotors were worn out ..etc but they spent next to nothing. The vehicle drove smoothly and was quite nice. I drove this vehicle.
I have a 2009 sonata that has 407,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. Been through some alternators struts suspension components but no major failures. Love the car.
I always hear people talk about the warranty. It's like when you buy an Autozone part and keep having to change it out once a year when it fails. The warranty doesn't make it good or reliable.
I got a 2005 Mazda6 isport in December with 110k miles, single owner & no accidents and have had to replace the input sensor, right front axle (torn boot), rear shocks, and the rest I did as preventative; transmission oil change, transmission mount, engine cover gasket, alternator, pulleys & tensioners, drive belt, tie rods and stabilizer links.
My parents had a 2012 Santa Fe. Bought brand new, that car went through three transmissions and 2 engines, not to mention all the smaller issues. The worst car that they have ever had. They got rid of it at 99,000 miles because they didn’t want to deal with it out of warranty. Now they own a 2021 Lexus and a 2021 Volvo which have been perfectly reliable.
My father owns a 2002 Honda Odyssey since 2007 that thing just runs forever yes it got dated quickly but it is a Honda it runs. What killed those vans was transmission shift into third from 2nd hard. My dad's van have that issue if I drive it rough. Other than that it shifts into third from 2nd with no issues. We even forgot to get atf flushed out.
I'm in Australia, I bought an I30 new in 2008, diesel-powered manual transmission. I've owned more than 180 cars in my lifetime, the I30 was one of the best cars I've ever owned. It has over 500k kilometers on it, zero issues. No matter how you drive it, it only uses a little over 3 litres of diesel to go 100 kilometers. I just bought my wife a new diesel Tucson. I hope it's half the car of my I30.
Owner of 2012 Hyundai santa Fe here. Mine has close to 180k miles. Original everything, nothing replaced or broken except battey and starter last year. Most reliable car I have ever owned! My 2008 Santa fe had 220k miles when I sold it. Original everything! No issues. Excellent vehicles!
Same here. 2012 Hyundai Santa Fe. Almost 190k on the clock. I'm just now starting to have issues. The alternator replacement and starter replacement are stupid difficult compared to other cars that I have owned. To get the alternator out, you have to jack up the engine. #$@#$. The starter is not easy to get to either. Other than that, it's been a good vehicle. Of course, we don't have the GDI engine. It's my understanding that is the biggest POS ever made.
One question: How well did you maintain your vehicle? If the answer is very well you have proven my point. Point is when Hyundai and Kias well maintained you get the odometer readings that you are enjoying.
i was a hyundai tech in australia. we rarely had problems with these, but ours were also mainly diesel or the v6 versions. i think NZ got the 4cyl petrol. we had one guy ship his car across and getting parts was a little hard. many did 200K kms. nothing of note apart from wear and tear items. that engine is so basic and easy to work on. it should never have been neglected. that list honestly wasn't too bad. the engine looked like it had no leaks at all. today i serviced a 2019 jaguar xe or xf. with 40,000kms and it had coolant leaking from its plastic water pipes. my parents own bmws that try their hardest to fail. my brother owns a mercedes, 2011 e250 cdi , i had the engine out and basically had to replace all seals on the engine due to coolant leaks and oil leaks, they made the water pump and housing out of plastic and it cracked. still has leaks.
I think that because these cars are considered for low budget they are constantly overlooked in the maintenance department but if you just do the bare minimum these are very good reliable cars here in Colombia you can see them hit 200k and sometimes 300k and here we got the even smaller ones that are used as taxis and they run a lot even with natural gas conversion kit
I have a 2008 Santa Fe that I bought new and it is still going strong at 198,000 miles and counting. It's limited trim with the 3.3 6 cylinder. It's been and still is a solid vehicle. Normal wear and tear items like brakes and struts etc is pretty much all I've had to do to it.
That was said pretty well. I had a buddy that bought a Kia used and other than the 2.4 GDI engine which was replaced under the recall free it lasted till about 130k miles with little issues. After that the repairs racked up pretty quick. And he finally dumped it once the transmission started slipping. If you’re a person that buys new or used cars and drive them a few years until 80k-100k miles Hyundai and Kia’s could work for you. If you plan on driving them much further than 100k stay away.
We purchased a 2017 Sonata with 32 miles on it. The trunk latch needed to be replaced, which was under recall. I replaced the hood struts. It has less than 60k on it and has been very reliable. Highway MPG is 36-38.
I see a lot of comments here saying “mine is bulletproof!!!” That’s nice and I’m happy for you But just because you got lucky doesn’t mean these are quality cars There is a reason these are 1/2 the price used as an equivalent Honda or Toyota
@@chadhaire1711 Yes, and when you prod the complaining owners and/or do some investigation, it almost always comes down to lack of maintenance. Those early VVT engines are very sensitive to contaminated oil, so the mantra for these vehicles is "maintenance, more often is better". Sure, there's always a chance the one you buy is a lemon, but then Toyota and Honda also have lemons, it's just a fact of life. Many of the complaints on Daniel San's list are just worn-out parts and those are typical on relatively heavy vehicles with engines that are being worked very hard by owners who "want to drive them sporty".
My wife's 2021 Palisade Calligraphy has been absolutely amazing! My daughter had a 2009 Genesis with a 4.8L V-8, also was amazing until someone crashed into it and totaled it. We must have been lucky.
Most of those problems are common on any vehicle over 100,000 miles. I have a camry and have had some the same problems. Common for suspension parts to wear out and need replacement.
Bought Kia Soul 2012, DOHC 2.0L engine, 98K on odometer from Houston Kia dealership. The salesperson pitched the powertrain warranty. I accepted. 4K later, the transmission failed. The dealership installed a 2800 rebuilt transmission. My deductible was just $250. $240 of rental car credit. Get that powertrain warranty for those Hyundai / Kia vehicles. Or just buy a well maintained Mazda.
It's common to have people steal and start your cars with usb's? And it's so bad insurance companies refuse to insure the make of car. Lol some people are so dumb it's unreal
What a hit piece. I have a 2017 Santa Fe 3.3 GDI. 80K miles. No issues. I change oil (synthetic) every 5k miles. Consumption is less than a quart in 5000 miles. At 75k I replaced the original tires and brakes.
@@atl6s I agree with you, it should be the norm (although 75k miles on original tires and brakes with an AWD car is very good.) This hillbilly mechanic is trying to put down an entire car line because his used car has issues. I wonder if he is aware Toyota is replacing 100,000 brand new engines?
Our 2015 w/3.3 has 160k. Had a minor AC issue and just fixed an easy coolant leak. Been a surprising good vehicle. Looking for another 17-18 with lower miles. Wouldn’t hesitate to buy.
I suspect the key is regular routine maintenance. Your car is doing well because you are doing the oil changes and other scheduled maintenance. I wonder how many people wait to change their oil at 10,000 mile intervals (or when the mood strikes them), and then wonder why their engine is going belly-up before 100,000 miles.
Bought a 2010 kia forte ex 4 door sedan with 69,000 miles on it 6 years ago. It has 170,000 miles on it now, and I drive my cars hard. It's been extremely reliable and does not use any oil between its 5000 oil changes. All i use is full synthetic. Only thing I had to replace was camshaft positioning sensor which was easy and only $20 for the part. I love this car, it's been more reliable then the 2005 corolla I had.
I’m 59 years old. I started my automotive career in 1985.. when the first Hyundai came out anyone that asked me I told him don’t you dare buy that car. Now in the year 2024 and you even ask me I flat out. Tell him stay away from Hyundai and Kia.. And keep in mind this is a throwaway car. You drive it to it breaks, and you get rid of it.. but honestly, I never would recommend a Hyundai or Kia ever
My sister bought a Kia Sportage brand new. 2017. Did everything they recommend on time and it burns oil. It failed the test and they did a soak. Still failed so it's getting a new engine. Only 80k miles or so!!
I have a 2020 sportage that I’ve already put 90k on and it still looks brand new, and drives like new. I think they fixed the engine issue with the 2020 models forward, but I’ve never even had a check engine light or anything happen to make it run or drive any different. It’s still in like new condition which I’m actually surprised by. The paint still gleams like new, I’ve had it in the Florida sun all this time. The interior is flawless other than very light stretching from sitting in the driver seat with no separation or friction damage from getting in and out. I’ve never had a vehicle that aged so well with insane miles being put on daily.
This is an old model Santa Fe, 12 years old, with some wear issues. The Honda Civic my son had, was overall reliable, but still had some creeks from the suspension and uneven brake rotors. The Toyota Prius we sold 9 years ago also had suspension noises, oil leak and cheap interior trim pieces that would break and Toyota was not able to fix. Hyundai and Kia did improve drastically since. They are no longer priced much differently. Honda also had several quality issues around transmissions failing and oil consumption. I think they messed up big time with their theta engine and with skimping on an immobilizer on many models. Bottom line, I am not sure you can condemn the entire lineup as unreliable today. A car from 12 years ago, that shares very little with the same car today, is not an indication of anything.
There was is still an ongoing massive engine recall on Kia/Hyundai with the four cylinder GDI engines. My wife's 14 Kia Sportage had one of those engines replaced one year ago. Every Kia dealership in our metro area is swapping out these bad motors 3 vehicles per day. Maintenance has nothing to do with it. These motors were defective from the factory.
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you...
Complaining about a flat spare tire and bad hood struts? Kind of a stretch, don't you think? My 2010 Honda Crosstour had bad hood and tailgate struts at 10 years old. Put some air in the spare. Not deal-breakers.
Well car wizard I have had the opposite experience. 2003 Kia spectra 215k miles before it rusted through 2010 Hyundai Tuscon 2.4 non GDI 303k miles 2013 Kia Soul 2.0 non GDI 197k miles 2020 Hyundai Elantra 2.0 GDI 207k miles I'm sure you've worked on more Hyundai and Kia than I have owned but I'm either lucky or those people are unlucky.
As others have stated on here. 3.3 V6 MPI is a solid bulletproof motor, probably close to comparison with The classic Toyota. 2008 Hyundai Sonata GLS mine has 230,000 me and you can't even tell that it's running. Yes it has a few quirks here and there, but has been a solid vehicle that still gets good gas mileage as well as decent power. Nobody seems to talk about these engines, other than on this thread, which I am happy to see!!!
haha I have a 2007 chrysler 300c. I have double the list of things I have replaced. Did it all myself and the parts still cost a lot. My car has almost half the mileage and all the wear and tear stuff went on me years ago. If my car looked as mint as that underneath I would do it all again. The underside of my car is all rust, like swiss cheese levels. On the lift that Hyundai looks better than the underside of my car did 10 years ago. You guys are so lucky!!!
I own a 2011 Santa Fe 4cyl over 200,000 miles. Except for brakes and front struts ,its been a great buy . And I'm the 3rd owner. Lightin up Frances. Toyota just announced two weeks ago they have over half a million trucks with bad engines they have to replace .
I disagree. I have a 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring GLS otherwise known as the i30. It has been the most reliable car I have owned. It has been easy to maintain, great on gas and has not failed me in the way this Sante Fe has. I have 130k and have no issues. It runs quiet like it's brand new. It has been inexpensive to replace parts and have them installed. I have owned this car since new and costs have been $300 or less a year. It has the 2.0 engine and it's been great
I disagree. I have a 2012 Hyundai Sonata and the engine seized up on me at 152k, had very regular maintenance intervals and it had clean oil. I'm still working with my local dealership to get the engine replaced under recall warranty. I'll never be buying Korean again
@@Evan2that's rough, I'm sorry you had those issues but at least they are working with you. Maybe you just got a bad engine or something wore out prematurely
Hate to be that guy but dude works on Ferraris and complains about fixing a cheap Hyundai, everything mentioned that failed is a easy fix and can happen to any car really
I disagree about minis. They nickel and dime you from the start! My R56 mini base with the 1.6 has 188k miles and it cruises at 120 mph like a BMW. The steering is incredible, floor mounted throttle like a Porsche.
When my little baby was riding in the car seats, we were in tanks, 80s vintage Delta 88s, 98 Regency, Custom Cruiser. Weight and safety. Then a custom conversion van.
Bought one of these, a 2010, with the manual transmission (lol) during lockdowns just before inflation/car demand went through the roof. Super cheap and it was in good shape - oil sprayed for rust and I suspect garage stored, used as a second car by a retired couple out in the country. Looked almost new inside and out at 105k miles. Guy at the lot was surely glad to be rid of it, a manual SUV??? Bought it with the understanding that it was a 10+ year old car and it was going to need some work. Also did my homework into the Theta II problem before buying, and seems the MPI is not affected (UOAs reflect this). I'm at 125k miles now as well, and it's been basically solid but has had a couple silly things go wrong - the ECU went bad (?!?) but that was easily fixed by sourcing good used ($70) and having a dude clone it ($300). Front wheel bearings have both died, and a ball joint. Silly part here is that the axles could NOT be removed from the knuckles as they had rusted in, and ended up having to cut the axles up. Sounds like this wasn't the worst problem to have as the boots likely didn't have much life left in them. In my opinion this review/non-recommendation was unnecessarily harsh. They are cheap cars to buy, parts are very reasonable and they are simple and uncomplicated to work on. A Toyota/Honda at the same price point is going to be much higher mileage/older and going to need this kind of work, and they have their share of foibles (can we talk about that 2AZ engine?). This kind of advice from these RUclips mechanics is akin to "stop being poor" or "just quit being fat to get healthy". - sounds smart but too broad to be helpful. Do your homework about the thing you're going to spend lots of money on, and entrust your life to, and you'll be fine.
Very good point. I’ve seen just as many people get screwed on Toyotas because they think the brand reputation trumps age and wear on their vehicles. Bushings will still wear out and need to be replaced on literally every car eventually. My 1999 Lexus LS400 needs most of the front suspension components just from being old, even though the thing only has 137k
@@quintonulm2435 ok, but... Yotas and Hondas have a long history of making reliable products that last. I buy them, but also appreciate first checking for wear and routine maintenance. Id wager far more get burned buying a used Hyundai vs Toyota simply due to the engine and transmission issues alone. That said, I find it humorous a buddy blew the engine in his Avalon 2 times before realizing the mechanics doing the work neglected to properly rebuild the cartridge oil filter. WTF Toyota, can't just use a simple spin on like the rest? Just goes to show anybody can kill any car, even mechanics.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze EXACTLY! It's a 12 year old vehicle with 130,000 miles on it. So you need new CV axles, Big Deal, they're $100. for the pair, and ZERO labor. All the things you've described are normal items that wear out. I've owned 2 Hyundai's and would Gladly buy another one.
I have to assume Kia and Hyndai have gotten much better than the old days. But that doesn't mean they still are bottom of the barrel cheap and calculated to last until the warranty. The major issue is absolutely no one gives a rat's butt about them or cares for them. ESPECIALLY when they are under that 100K warranty. So the lack of quality parts on them and cheap designs is only exacerbated by everything being neglected. Part of the reason I went Toyota is they are the LEAST beat on cars out there. Typically older folks who drive more conservatively and service regularly.
Rented one in 2017 to go to Salem Oregon for the eclipse from the Bay Area. Loved it. Also, the newest one gets very high marks, even from Hoovie and April.
We had the 2012 year Santa Fe, V-6 top of the line trim, no problems. Sold it to my brother who drove it to 145k miles, no problem, except had the CV joints replaced. Other than that, just regular maintenance. Even the AC still works perfectly. Still runs well and he uses it for business deliveries all over the state.
I’ve got a 2008 Highlander with 140,000 miles on it and I’ve only had to do tires, brakes, serpentine belt , oil cooler hoses and a water pump. And oh yeah, windshield wiper blades..
I’m not so sure that the issues being described in this video are all that unusual for a vehicle with 120k miles. I mean cracked bushings, front suspension parts, leaky cv joints…would be expected. The vehicle is 12 years old, going on 13. Moral of the story…get rid of the vehicle before 100k miles
yet somehow my so-called 'unreliable' VW of the same age, with 160k miles and which spent its whole life on salted & potholed Chicago roads has none of those issues
@@MrOnlinmrineI totally agree that non car people on average ditch their payed off cars at 100k and get into another never ending cycle of car loans. While well unformed car guys like myself know which cars are worth buying new or used and we can keep them on the road far longer. My oldest car is a 95 Acura Integra that I bought used with 100k miles in 2001. I literally raced that car hard in my youth. Yet It is still running well with 276k miles. The only major repair it has needed was a head gasket at 200k miles. Other than that I have kept up with replacing worn suspension bushings and leaking gaskets over the years. Even after all that I have spent less than the price of a new Hyundai.
OK, as an unabashed Hyundai/Kia/Genesis hater, and an experienced automotive mechanic myself, I feel the need to point out that not a single thing on the list of “problems“ in this video is anything but normal wear and tear or maintenance on any vehicle from any manufacturer. Saying that Toyotas and Hondas don’t blow CV boots, have leaking struts, require replacement rubber hoses and bushings, or need brake jobs is absurd. I own both a Honda CRV and a Toyota Camry, and every single bushing on the suspension has been replaced on both of them, both of them have received replacement struts, both of them have received replacement hoses, both of them have needed brake pads, and both of them have similar miles as this Hyundai. If you are going to hate on Hyundai, and I certainly would not blame you for doing that, at least be honest about it. Tell customers about their terrible wiring harnesses, the 2.4 L engines that had manufacturing problems and blew up with great regularity, CVT transmissions that can’t make it a day past 60,000 miles without spontaneous, rapid unscheduled disassembly. Tell them about real problems, not about how you bought a used car sinking everything would be perfect. I do have to second the other folks amazement that an experienced mechanic would purchase one of these things, however. I would also like to add that not all of these vehicles are junk, only everything after around 2007 or so. I personally owned a 2002 Hyundai Sonata(with a manual transmission, no less), it got passed on to my son for him to beat into the ground at the 200,000 mile mark. The body was rough, it used a little bit of oil between oil changes, but ran like a top and was very fun to drive. The interior still look like new, and it had no mechanical deficiencies whatsoever. I bought it cheap because of the mileage and the fact that the air conditioning didn’t work (amazingly enough it was a blown fuse due to a compressor clutch wiring harness), I did all of the expected Maintenance on it (plugs, coils, fluid changes, one CV axle, struts and control arms) and had myself a manual transmission sedan that I felt comfortable driving anywhere. Videos like this are making me lose faith in this channel. Oh, and yes, I’m one of the people that is “disrespectful“ as you put it in another video, and the exterior and interior reviews, because really, who gives a crap?
@@moonshinefuel He starts annoying me a bit too lately. He always gives these car salesman speeches on every car he shows. It is always some superlative of something, no matter how crappy the vehicle. Or the last of its kind. These days every car is the last of some category. And his daily talk channel also turned into a rumor mill channel. Most of their stories are poorly researched or not at all.
@@moonshinefuel I think a lot of people have stopped watching Hoovie judging by the much lower view counts he gets now on most of his videos. Doug Demuro's view counts are way down now too.
My brother's 2013 Kia Sorento's (kia and Hyundai use same engine) engine locked up at only 80,000 miles when it was only 7 years old. Thank God they honored the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty.
Also have the your 30,60,90K service done which includes your fuel service every 30K miles. That is a must have for every Hyundai and Kia engine and change the spark plugs at 100K. No exceptions on that one either.
i have a 2012 Santa Fe with 124,000 Miles and its been AWESOME. Little stuff like light bulbs go out which I can replace, but otherwise in PERFECT Condition! My local Las Vegas Hyundai Dealership Used Car Manager is always trying to buy mine because its in PRISTINE condition!! This is my 2nd 2012 Santa Fe , the 1st was totaled in a T-Bone wreck. I'm keeping it for now!! Drives and Inexpensive to maintain!!
Well... I know you're a master mechanic and I'm not going to dispute what you say. I appreciate your videos and expertise. However, there might be an important factor leading to some of these poor-quality vehicles that's often overlooked. You might want to look at where those troublesome Kia/Hyundai's were built. I've had nothing but good service out of a, 2013 Rio, a 2012 Sportage AWD turbo, a 2016 Sportage AWD turbo, and a 2020 Hyundai Tuscon Ultima AWD. The Rio was sold at 98,000 miles, the 2012 Sportage was traded in for an upgraded 2016 with navigation, and we still have the Tuscon with 58,000 miles. All were built in South Korea, not in America. The 2016 Sportage has 105,000 miles and doesn't have so much as a rattle or squeak. So, it would be interesting if you dove a little deeper into the Kia/Hyundai problem and then reported back as to where these problematic vehicles are being built.
My 1999 Honda Accord has the original CV boots, no tears, cracks or leaks. Only had to replace the right front wheel bearing and the front sway bar bushings. I love this car.
I have a V6 GDI 2015 KIA Sorento, which is supposed to be similar or the same as the Santa Fe. I haven't had all of these problems. Mine is a Limited (flagship model) and I have had to replace an idle pulley on the timing chain loop, replaced an alternator, and HVAC compressor and A/C hard line. Otherwise, just small stuff like tires, alignment, a fog lamp bulb, and had one trouble interior light on the roof console in front, so I just replaced the entire console with a used one. Otherwise, it's been a terrific vehicle. Had it for 7 years now. I do scheduled oil changes using synthetic Castrol Edge (API SP/SN PLUS), and run STP intake valve cleaner through the intake every 25K miles to clean out the valves from carbon buildup. I also keep an eye on the EGR valve and replace as needed. Doing this, the engine has remained strong, smooth, and reliable.
Have a 2015 Santa Fe Limited. Purchased it from the dealership with 15k miles and I got the extended bumper to bumper 100k mile warranty. Best investment I ever made! It feels like its been in the shop more than my garage. For starters working backwards, the engine failed at 62k miles with the standard hydrolic valve failure which Hyundai was quick to deny under the extended warranty stating it was "due to lack of maintenance! " After providing the documentation of regular maintenance and arguing with the "Hyundai" extended warranty division they agreed to replace the engine which took 7 months!! Prior to that, everything from ac failure, seats, moon roof, cpu, brake system, curise controls, stereo and about everything else you can imagine has failed with astronomical quotes if done out of warranty!. And now that the warranty has ended, the transmission is acting strange. Funny thing is, the dealership originally quoted me 11k + to replace the engine and when I went to war with them over the warranty coverage they had the balls to tell me it would be a wise move to just trade it in on a new one! And they offered me a whopping 2k for the car because of the bad motor! Nuff said about Hyundai!
I bought an '05 Santa Fe new. It came with that 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, and I never once had to use it: the car was absolutely bulletproof over both the 10 years and the 100,000 miles. But once I broke 100k on the odometer, it was just one thing after another all in rapid succession. After 3 trips to the shop & about $2k in repairs, I traded it in. I haven't had a very extensive collection of cars over the years, but of the ones I have owned the Santa Fe ranks as my second-favorite (behind a C class I had). With the larger V6 it was plenty quick enough, it was insanely well equipped for the era, it was about as practical as a crossover could be, and it didn't look like every other SUV on the road. My neighbor had an '04 which she eventually passed on her to daughter, who still drives it today.
I had to rent a 2020 Kia Sportage, was told all maintenance had been done. I had the car four weeks, the oil light or check engine light for oil change NEVER CAME ON. I started noticing the mileage range going down as i filled up. When it went from 429 to 390. I checked the oil, bone dry. Three quarters later 430, two days later 409. Until i returned seven quarts, i told the Rental Company when i turned it in.
@abigalanderson7494 The Rental Service in question is charging people for not bringing back Tesla with full charge!! I'm glad i was able to jump ship!!!
I had 2 Santa Fe’s, a 2016 and a 2020. Traded in both with 100k mileage each. Neither one was ever in the dealership and had zero issues except for tires and brakes.
I would like to add that in hot and difficult Indian conditions , this generation diesel sante fe is regarded as a very reliable vehicle with many examples easily doing over 300,000 kms with just regular maintenance.
I've owned 5 Santana Fe's and Tucson's without a single issue. I always trade out of them after 80k miles. And I'll purchase more Hyundai's as they are very reliable and really a pretty nice car. That's why you see them, all over the road. I'm a true believer and owner.
You are a great mechanic but stop with the hate. You have videos complaining about expensive cars having expensive parts….now you complain about a cheap car needing cheap parts…so what? Those Santa Fe’s are actually pretty great. The motors are pre metal shavings issue, the parts are dirt cheap, the parts are readily available, and they are EASY to work on. A Hyundai with theta ll engine? Definitely junk/gamble. That Santa Fe? I’d buy that right now and drive it cross country without batting an eye.
@@raoulrr also you are proving my point. Car wizard is saying $250 for speaker but that’s the most expensive one available. So it’s misleading. You can go to crutchfield and buy better speakers for way cheaper… you could also probably find a $600 spare tire replacement but why? The cheap one will do fine. See my point?
I had a poverty spec 2016 Rio, bought new in 2017. The transmission straight up fell off the car at 85k. Two bolts backed themselves out, leaving it hanging by however many loose bolts it still had. I shifted carefully and with difficulty 30 miles back home. Got it towed to the dealer, which denied the warranty. It covered any failure of internal components, but the bolts were deemed external and not covered. IDK if I should be angry or impressed - there was no damage inside the transmission. Drove it 10k before a texting teenager totaled it.
Come on now, these aren’t normal wear items bro. My 16 year old Buick is still running original suspension components and it has 220k miles on it (100k of city driving), still drives perfectly fine, no issues. Hood struts all work, all the speakers work, no leaks in anything, etc. Not to mention I live in the rust belt too.
I have a '13 Santa Fe with 2.2 Diesel CRDI which I use for work as a contractor. Now with 180k kms. Very reliable car. Running strong. Not much issues.
The most reliable vehicles I have ever owned have been Hyundai products. My wife and I currently have a 2020 Kia Niro PHEV with 118k miles and no leaks, squeaks or any mechanical issues whatsoever. My wife daily drives a 2019 Ioniq hybrid limited with 87K miles and zero issues. I have owned several other Hyundai products over the years, always new and have had very few issues. It is obvious that this Santa Fe was abused and the blanket statement Wizard is making is pure bullshit. My co workers 2012 Prius blew the head gasket and had multiple sensors go bad. The fact that your head mehanic got burned is not a good advertisement for your shop. I can also show you multiple 250-300k miles Hyundais on the road. Unsubscribing.
I am on my second Santa Fe. Use for daily driver. Upgraded to modern electronics in 2017. No issues. Not at all worried about engine as it’s now warrantied for life on my model.
I had a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan with the 3.5 and it was insanely great. I eventually sold it at 210,000 miles, and I didn't want to. The only repairs it ever needed was an oil sensor because the seal went bad. So much power, it is FAST. It was also in Kia's Titanium Silver Metallic, best color for the vehicle and extremely durable. I miss that car.
My daughter had been driving for about a year. As she went to pull out of a parking lot, she looked left and then right. As she eased out, she checked left again and saw a car she had not noticed before. She put a small crease down the side of that car with her front bumper. The car was a new police car the officer had just picked up that morning. She now double checks both ways before pulling out of a parking lot.
I’ve always heard about the lack of quality and dependability of Hyundai, and this video confirms my suspicions. It’s hard to believe that other RUclipsrs don’t comment on this. Thank you David and Daniel.
I have a 2017 3.3 GDI with 96k miles. 5k oil change intervals. Only major stuff I’ve had to do is all rotors. Of course the tires. Bought it CPO with 42k in 2020, dunno if the battery is the original one but have not had to replace it. No rust since I wash it during the winter and do the underbody well. Edit, at 50k I did take it in to service. Under warranty got the oil pressure switched replaced.
As a previous Hyundai owner, I can relate that you do everything to a Hyundai that you do to all other cars, but you do them about 40,000 miles sooner.
For a 12 year old vehicle ( a daily driver) I didn’t hear anything out of the ordinary on his list of repairs. The only downside with Hyundai or Kia is the resale value.
My parents have a 2016 Sonata with 2.4 that I recommended to them YEARS ago. Fortunately, the car has been very reliable and had no issues so far (only 70k on the clock), but knowing what I know now, I've been desperately trying to get them to sell it while they still can.
Surprised him being a mechanic knowing the history of them still bought it. Back when i worked on cars i knew to get something cheap reliable and easy to work on. Bought a 1990 Chevy c1500 15 years ago, best $300 i ever spent never left me stranded yet
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Which Lexus, I’m looking into replacing a station wagon, what Lexus is most like Subaru Outback? Thanks!
Hi Wizard, could you make a video for a mazda vehicle or which mazda to buy or not to buy? It seems like to me mazda has build up decent sales and reputations to be a quality automaker. Thanks
Please get out of debt Americans. If you are a wannabe, please stay in debt and buy some nice cars!
Whoa when was this taken? -5? Wow old video haha. Hopefully you guys survived the storms today.
My 2011 Santa Fe I bought used with 90k miles. It has a V6 and it’s amazing. No problems with oil leaking. Some wear and tear stuff but that’s expected. And I did a presale inspection to make sure it wasn’t a lemon
And we have a 2007 Hyundai Azera that is also a gem. Amazing V6 engine as well without oil leaks or coolant leaks!
bought my daughter a 2018Hyundai Santa Fe in 2019. The single worst purchase I've ever made - it hasn't been stolen or burst into flames [yet] but our insurance premiums in Illinois are more reflective of a luxury sedan than an economy vehicle.
@@tocreatee3585 Sante Fe is not an economy vehicle. It's a midsize family SUV.
I have a 2008 Santa Fe. Changed timing belt, water pump…etc at 98,000. Plugs at 98,000, CV left replaced. Now has 180,000 miles. Burns no oil. Still runs and drives smooth like it did at 98,000. Interior and exterior still looks fine probably because I took care of it. Hoping to get 250,000+
I have a 2008 Santa Fe as well and it now has about 305,000 miles on it. I recently had to have some of the wheel bearings and other things replaced but it has been a good vehicle. Mostly highway miles.
@@matteonewton mine too just regular maintenance stuff. Only fault I have in those is the 17 mpg gas’s mileage…lol.
I had a 2013 Rio. I racked up 98,000 miles before selling it and the only items I needed to replace over those 98,000 miles was a battery, tires, and a license plate light. I sold it to my supervisor's son, and he totaled the car a month later lol.
@@Pontiacman1964 that's what Hyundai is for. This was especially true with the older ones!
@@Ziegfried82 true. I have a coworker that has a 2003 Rio. He has over 300k miles! It sounds like an old car granted, and he uses 10w40 oil because it uses some, but it’s still going. I really like the brands of Kia and its sister company Hyundai. You just have to make sure you’re buying one that was manufactured in South Korea. They’re well built and you get much more feature-wise for the money than other companies… like Toyota.
I have the Gen 1 Santa Fe. It was a $400 abused turd. The 2.7l V6 is impressive. I replaced the broken timing belt and bent valves on one side. It still runs after I fixed it! Had to replace lots of rubber parts, motor mounts, and other stuff. Once you get these parts replaced, it will keep running and going. It's okay for the DIY person, not a single mom.
My daughter had 1, she got rid of it with 380k mi on it. She only got rid of it to get a different car. Thing ran great still, and it wasn't all highway miles. My dad had 1 also, thing was a tank.
That 2.7L V6 seemed to be a pretty reliable engine. Hyundai learned from that mistake quickly and 'fixed' their newer engines accordingly.
The problem is ...this is a single mom car
My housemate has 1. Can't lock the doors, the rear hatch is stuck closed, the heating system doesn't work properly, lots of vibration and interior noises, the writing on buttons are gone even if the car isn't that old, the hvac poorly work, constantly adding oil, transmission slips...bunch of problems
The 2.7L in the 1st Gen Santa Fes were good engines. The 2nd Gens from '07 - '09 with the 3.3L V6 are considered the best SFs built, with the '09s being the top of the list. I personally own a 2010 Limited with 169k kms and a 2011 GLS with 270k kms, both have the 3.5L V6, 6 speed auto transmissions and are AWD. I've owned the 2011 for 7 years, and the 2010 for 1 year, and I do all of my own service work, unless I require a lift. Synthetic oil changes every 5k kms and regular maintenance as required, as well as yearly undercoating and cavity wax for rust prevention. The 2nd gen Santa Fes (3.3L and 3.5L V6 models) are nowhere near as unreliable as this video suggests, however I would personally never purchase a Santa Fe newer than 2012.5. That's when they came out with the Gen 3, 4 cyl GDI turbo engines that are notorious for dying. The 2nd Gen V6s are known for oil pressure switches that leak because they're made from plastic, and when they get to a certain age, the plastic becomes brittle and the sensor leaks oil onto the engine and transmission seam, which is commonly misdiagnosed as a rear main seal engine leak. Other than that, I've done frequent brake work on the 2011 (pads and rotors), fluid changes and the normal maintenance required for a 11-12 year old, high mileage vehicle. Yes that's also included ball joints, struts and bushings, but that's all because of age and the poor condition of the roads we drive on, and not the fact that these are poorly built SUVs. I actually picked the 2011 Santa Fe over vehicles like the CR-V because for one, the 3.5L makes 276HP, tows up to 3500lbs, is bigger than all of the same vehicles in that year class, and still gets 26-28 mpg on the highway. And in my area, these SUVs hold their value, not depreciate, as suggested in this video.
290k kms on 2010 Santa Fe. Had all the front end work done as mentioned. Intake manifold runner control last year. Car still runs fine. Has paid for itself. Rust spray every year. No rust at all. Canada
Wizard, to be fair the GDI motor in this particular generation of Santa Fe was notoriously bad but some of the suspension components sound like wear and tear due to age.
This is why you ALWAYS get a fuel service done every 30K. No exceptions. In addition if you put in BG44K in your gas tank every other oil change (every 10K miles) it will also help reduce the amount of carbon around the valves.
@@beebong1 Or just buy a Toyota, they engineered it to where you don't need to do that.
This generation didn't have GDI
Exactly! A 12 year old vehicle with rubber bushings won’t last forever.
My 12 year old 175k mile tacoma hasn't had any single issue other than base nuts maintenance and consumables. I've done some bushings out of the pursuit of the best steering and handling I can get as I spend 90% of my time on a 75mph highway.
As a Hyundai tech of 6 years, a 2012 Santa Fe was the last year of the good engine. After 2013 when they went GDI, they were garbage. This body style has its issues like the transmission temp sensor that goes bad (requires transmission valve body removal to replace), rear wheel hub bearings that have to be replaced due to failed wheel speed sensors (sensors are built into the hub) and a host of electrical issues.
I will say that have a 12 to 13 year old vehicle with rubber bushings will not last forever. Daniel San replacing his control arm bushings, sway bar end links & bushing plus rear trailing arm bushings starting to tear is normal wear & tear. My wife had to replace front lower control arm bushings on her 2012 Honda Accord before I ever met her. She also had to have the VTEC solenoid O-ring replaced due to oil leakage (this all occurred at 84,000 miles). Does this mean that her Honda is bad? Absolutely not, those items are wear items, they will fail over time.
Same thing is happening with my brother-in-law’s 2010 Toyota Camry. He needed CV axles boots, valve cover gasket and struts because, again, these are wear items that will require replacement over time. Both Honda & Toyota are having their fair share of quality control issues that require a recall.
Currently, Honda will not sell any Acura/Honda vehicle with the J-series V6 due to poor machining in the oil galleries that will cause engine failures. Toyota is recalling a host of vehicles due to failing low pressure fuel pumps that will cause the vehicle to stall. Yes, on the whole Honda & Toyota are known for their reliability but the truth is, doing a Used Car Inspection from a reputable technician is anyone’s best bet before buying a vehicle. That & researching that particular vehicle to see will the cost of ownership be more than a consumer can handle.
Also, does Daniel San know the exact history of this Santa Fe? For example, the service records from the previous owner? To make a blanket statement that all Hyundai & Kia’s can’t be recommended is a bit of a stretch. I personally for one, WOULD recommend a 2007-12 Santa Fe with either the 3.3 V6 (used from 2007-2009) or the 3.5 V6 used from 2010-12 (the 4 cylinder not so much since the fuel economy isn’t much better than the V6 and certain 4 cylinders had oil consumption issues, plus you get better performance from the V6). As I stated before, there are some issues that it has but overall, I used to see these models come into my old Hyundai dealer with over 130,000 miles needing maintenance.
Well said. Dont confuse wear and tear with poor workmanship. Im going on 20 worry free years w Hyundais. Take care of the maintenance and they will take care of you. Unlike the Mercedes, Audis and BMWs I’ve owned and still own.
What about the Genesis with the 3.3t engines how good are they long term ? I’ve had a 2012 Genesis with the 4.6 v8 and that engine reached 200k with only cam sensors going bad
It’s good internet fodder to throw insults at car brands. It gets the armchair quarterbacks all riled up. Funny thing is, if you do a search you’ll find horror stories on all brands. I don’t care what it is. Since the late 1980s I’ve owned five VWs. Three from new. The internet “experts” hated them all. Strange because I experienced exactly none of the problems they claimed. It is true all manufacturers have hiccups. So you need to listen to these issues same as reading Amazon reviews. Some are exaggerated and some aren’t. Good luck figuring out which is which.
@@haitibwoi6122 I personally wouldn't recommend a turbocharged Hyundai. From my experience as a tech, I've replaced failed turbochargers on every Hyundai model from the Genesis coupe with the 2.0 to the 1.6 turbo in the Velosters & Tucsons. The 3.3 turbos suffer from leaking oil feed hoses that were actually a recall on the G70s. If not careful, the oil feed will leak onto the hot turbo & could catch on fire. The 4.6 Tau engine is a good strong engine that will last a good while.
I'm running a 2011 Elantra Touring that recently passed 200k. No issues besides wear items needing replacing like you said. I know others with the same model at the same or even higher mileage then mine.
Hyundai can make some decent cars, it's just a matter of doing research on the model you want (which you should do for any vehicle, regardless of the manufacturer's reputation) and staying on top of maintenance.
My boss bought his daughter a 2006 Sonata 3.3 V6 with around 140k miles for his daughter as a graduation present. She's had it 7 years, has been doing door dash and other deliveries and he says she's been really good about telling him when she needs an oil change, etc. The car now has 380,000 miles. The only breakdown occurred because the valve cover gasket leaked oil into the alternator. My boss says that car has been the best $3500 he's ever spent.
I have a 2010 Sonata 3.3l with 350,000. Used as a courier vehicle. Best car ever far as longevity. Still driving it.
My mom bought her 2007 3.3 new. All these years later she says she doesn't want another car, it's been largely trouble free. Yep, that common valve cover gasket problem, the recall fix didn't work. On the 4th alternator now, I think the first 3 were reimbursed. What's interesting we also have a 2006 Sonata with the same 3.3, it doesn't have that problem. The reason for the leak is the slight tilt of the angle of the engine in Santa Fe.
^ I second that. Gen 5 sonatas (06-10’) are hidden gems. The V6 is surprisingly quick, huge trunk, nice factory audio system ($10 fm transmitter was game changing), 30mpg highway, and you can get them with 100k miles for 4-5k easily.
I have an 08 that was my first car I ever bought. Has been so reliable, it’s the only car I’ve ever bought. Many years later I still see no reason to “upgrade”.
V6 Hyundai are good
That 3.3L is probably the best motor Hyundai/Kia ever put out. I'm sure it's actually a leased/purchased design like a lot of their motors. Example. My Sorento's 3.5L motor is actually just a Mitsubishi 6G74 with a slightly taller deck to the heads. The infamously terrible Theta motors, are actually Mitsubishi 4B11's but some idiot enginerd somewhere decided to make the oil and cooling passages SMALLER. What a bright idea.
I own a 2013 Santa Fe (three row seats) with a 3.3L V6 that I bought brand new. It has been well maintained and now has 155K miles. No engine issues. Did replace the rear differential electronic coupler, that's all.
I had a 16 Tucson with 120K on it. It burned 2.8 Q of oil every 1000 miles. I got rid of it and bought a Lexus. The best move ever
My 2005 RX330 has entered the chat😂224K and runs like a champ!👍
2.8 Quarts is an oddly specific amount of oil
Over priced Toyota
@@il94z12 it's a luxury brand of Toyota lol
Just like your mom.😅@@il94z12
I bought a 2004 Hyundai Santa Fe for my wife in December 2003. When I got her the car of her dreams, a Ford Mustang convertible in 2014, I took the Hyundai. It now has over 200,000 miles with the original engine and transmission. It has been a very good car for us and the only major issue I’ve had was the lousy paint job from Hyundai. We had it repainted in 2015 and that paint job still looks great today with no rust (Florida vehicle) It’s still going up and down the road just fine with just basic repairs. It is starting to use some oil now though as I’ve noticed between oil changes, I have to put a quart in. Because these car prices are so ridiculously high, I’m just going keep driving her until the wheels fall off. 😄👍
had an o4 180,000 sold was smoking on start up. buyer rebuilt now 400,000 no problems
The older Hyundai vehicles are usually trash so that's interesting.
I had a 06 Hyundai tiburon and after 224k miles, I finally sold it. It was an absolutely great car. Never had to do anything major to keep it on the road.
Just picked up a 08 with the 2.7, spent good money replacing the same parts they list here. It’s all good tho it’s an old car it’s expected. I feel like these guys were too harsh on this car for no reason.
My wife has had two Hyundai Sonata Limited's (2006 w/3.3L V6) and currently a 2014 Limited (2.4L 4 cylinder). Not one warranty claim on either and both are/were over 100K miles. Maintenance is the key! When you buy used, it's a risk for sure but we always buy new and keep them 8+ years or more.
It is over 10 years old those sound like normal wear items for that age of vehicle
spot on
My Honda didn’t start having problems for 18 years. It was the door locks and window motors.
Those are normal wear and tear items. It's fortunate that this is a Hyundai, because those parts prices for a Honda or Toyota would be outrageous. The bottom line is Toyota's and Hondas are very expensive to repair because the couch run parts prices. Example: door latch for Hyundai is $45. Door latch for Toyota sienna is $1,800.
My 2010 honda civic never had any of these problems.
@@raybod1775 my 2007 kia minivan doesnt have those problems 200k miles on it now
I have a 2011 hyundai accent diesel manual, and 2015 kia sorento diesel auto at the 120,000 mile. I live in korea, so they're a dime and dozen. I've had the accent for about 10 years. Awesome car. Fun to drive. Low maintenance. Sorento bought it used 3 months ago. So far no issues. Best car I've owned. I've owned about 20. My impression: domestic cars in korea are best. Ive had volvo, vw, bmw and audi. But they've all failed me. Cost of maintenance was too high.
BMW and Audi have never been known for reliability. Old school German made Mercedes Benz on the other hand were bullet proof. Older Volvos were supposedly good but I never knew anyone who had one. Hyundai though? The older ones were junk, rarely lasting over 100,000 miles. The newer ones seem better made but of course also come with considerably higher prices (still cheaper than Toyota though).
@@Ziegfried82 not realy cheaper than Toyota here in the US now. I'd never buy one, given we like to drive up to 200K or even 400K which toyota, and some other brands can do but not these korean cars since at least the '10ish period onward
It sounds pretty funny to me that a mechanic did not do a pre-sales inspection of a vehicle he's buying for himself but you all keep telling us to always get one so in that sense sounds like he got the vehicle he deserved
Most likely he got it at a super low price that he didn't care if it had issues since he could do any repairs himself
@@zarbon700 sounds like he took a loan to buy it, since he was ''almost finished paying the car off''
Yes, thus mechanic strangely enough is nodding to everything the wizard is saying. Obviously few sensor and bushing is hardly anything to get furious about. Especially on a 15 year old vehicle. I know one family who spent nothing on a 2010 hyundai santa fe six cylinder expect oil change and the vehicle kept running. The brakes, rotors were worn out ..etc but they spent next to nothing. The vehicle drove smoothly and was quite nice. I drove this vehicle.
Yeah we all live and learn I guess
Ever heard the saying" doctors make the worst patients"? Same applies to mechanics!
I have a 2009 sonata that has 407,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. Been through some alternators struts suspension components but no major failures. Love the car.
I always hear people talk about the warranty. It's like when you buy an Autozone part and keep having to change it out once a year when it fails. The warranty doesn't make it good or reliable.
There is a Tommy Boy reference joke somewhere in your comment. 😄
Warranties usually aren't worth the paper they're printed on 😂
@@drgti16v Exactly. I almost quoted him for my comment.
I got a 2005 Mazda6 isport in December with 110k miles, single owner & no accidents and have had to replace the input sensor, right front axle (torn boot), rear shocks, and the rest I did as preventative; transmission oil change, transmission mount, engine cover gasket, alternator, pulleys & tensioners, drive belt, tie rods and stabilizer links.
Winter weather? Looks like Car Wizard found some old lost footage
He's on vacation. Hoovie went to see him before he left 🙂
He's on a cruise. Deal with it!
That’s what I thought too, its like 80 degrees in newton atm
My parents had a 2012 Santa Fe. Bought brand new, that car went through three transmissions and 2 engines, not to mention all the smaller issues. The worst car that they have ever had. They got rid of it at 99,000 miles because they didn’t want to deal with it out of warranty. Now they own a 2021 Lexus and a 2021 Volvo which have been perfectly reliable.
My father owns a 2002 Honda Odyssey since 2007 that thing just runs forever yes it got dated quickly but it is a Honda it runs. What killed those vans was transmission shift into third from 2nd hard. My dad's van have that issue if I drive it rough. Other than that it shifts into third from 2nd with no issues. We even forgot to get atf flushed out.
I'm in Australia, I bought an I30 new in 2008, diesel-powered manual transmission. I've owned more than 180 cars in my lifetime, the I30 was one of the best cars I've ever owned. It has over 500k kilometers on it, zero issues. No matter how you drive it, it only uses a little over 3 litres of diesel to go 100 kilometers. I just bought my wife a new diesel Tucson. I hope it's half the car of my I30.
Owner of 2012 Hyundai santa Fe here. Mine has close to 180k miles. Original everything, nothing replaced or broken except battey and starter last year. Most reliable car I have ever owned! My 2008 Santa fe had 220k miles when I sold it. Original everything! No issues. Excellent vehicles!
Same here. 2012 Hyundai Santa Fe. Almost 190k on the clock. I'm just now starting to have issues. The alternator replacement and starter replacement are stupid difficult compared to other cars that I have owned. To get the alternator out, you have to jack up the engine. #$@#$. The starter is not easy to get to either. Other than that, it's been a good vehicle. Of course, we don't have the GDI engine. It's my understanding that is the biggest POS ever made.
It’s definitely hit or miss everyone has their own experience and luck
He being awfully dramatic. This Santa Fe could have had a rough life
It seems unlikely that you got the one with all the parts that don't deteriorate
One question: How well did you maintain your vehicle? If the answer is very well you have proven my point.
Point is when Hyundai and Kias well maintained you get the odometer readings that you are enjoying.
i was a hyundai tech in australia. we rarely had problems with these, but ours were also mainly diesel or the v6 versions. i think NZ got the 4cyl petrol. we had one guy ship his car across and getting parts was a little hard. many did 200K kms. nothing of note apart from wear and tear items.
that engine is so basic and easy to work on. it should never have been neglected. that list honestly wasn't too bad. the engine looked like it had no leaks at all.
today i serviced a 2019 jaguar xe or xf. with 40,000kms and it had coolant leaking from its plastic water pipes.
my parents own bmws that try their hardest to fail.
my brother owns a mercedes, 2011 e250 cdi , i had the engine out and basically had to replace all seals on the engine due to coolant leaks and oil leaks, they made the water pump and housing out of plastic and it cracked. still has leaks.
I think that because these cars are considered for low budget they are constantly overlooked in the maintenance department but if you just do the bare minimum these are very good reliable cars here in Colombia you can see them hit 200k and sometimes 300k and here we got the even smaller ones that are used as taxis and they run a lot even with natural gas conversion kit
I have a 2008 Santa Fe that I bought new and it is still going strong at 198,000 miles and counting. It's limited trim with the 3.3 6 cylinder. It's been and still is a solid vehicle. Normal wear and tear items like brakes and struts etc is pretty much all I've had to do to it.
That was said pretty well. I had a buddy that bought a Kia used and other than the 2.4 GDI engine which was replaced under the recall free it lasted till about 130k miles with little issues. After that the repairs racked up pretty quick. And he finally dumped it once the transmission started slipping. If you’re a person that buys new or used cars and drive them a few years until 80k-100k miles Hyundai and Kia’s could work for you. If you plan on driving them much further than 100k stay away.
We purchased a 2017 Sonata with 32 miles on it. The trunk latch needed to be replaced, which was under recall. I replaced the hood struts. It has less than 60k on it and has been very reliable. Highway MPG is 36-38.
I see a lot of comments here saying “mine is bulletproof!!!”
That’s nice and I’m happy for you
But just because you got lucky doesn’t mean these are quality cars
There is a reason these are 1/2 the price used as an equivalent Honda or Toyota
All cars are half a Honda or Toyota.....NOTHING wrong with korean cars...
@@chadhaire1711 Don't forget, this is the Scotty Kilmer Jr. channel.
Spot on
Yeah, they have that silly 5 year bumper to bumper vs 3yr for japan autos.
@@chadhaire1711 Yes, and when you prod the complaining owners and/or do some investigation, it almost always comes down to lack of maintenance. Those early VVT engines are very sensitive to contaminated oil, so the mantra for these vehicles is "maintenance, more often is better". Sure, there's always a chance the one you buy is a lemon, but then Toyota and Honda also have lemons, it's just a fact of life.
Many of the complaints on Daniel San's list are just worn-out parts and those are typical on relatively heavy vehicles with engines that are being worked very hard by owners who "want to drive them sporty".
My wife's 2021 Palisade Calligraphy has been absolutely amazing! My daughter had a 2009 Genesis with a 4.8L V-8, also was amazing until someone crashed into it and totaled it. We must have been lucky.
Most of those problems are common on any vehicle over 100,000 miles. I have a camry and have had some the same problems. Common for suspension parts to wear out and need replacement.
My girlfriend had a 2019 Hyundai Sonata and it literally caught on fire.
dealer refused honor warranty.
DO NOT EVEN TOUCH hyundai or KIA
Bought Kia Soul 2012, DOHC 2.0L engine, 98K on odometer from Houston Kia dealership. The salesperson pitched the powertrain warranty. I accepted. 4K later, the transmission failed. The dealership installed a 2800 rebuilt transmission. My deductible was just $250. $240 of rental car credit. Get that powertrain warranty for those Hyundai / Kia vehicles. Or just buy a well maintained Mazda.
It's common to have people steal and start your cars with usb's? And it's so bad insurance companies refuse to insure the make of car. Lol some people are so dumb it's unreal
@@fffwe3876 That's weird. There was a recall for it. Must have been a neglected car.
@@Jkimmelblackface You're right. Some people are dumb. Your comment has nothing to do with any of this car's problems.
What a hit piece. I have a 2017 Santa Fe 3.3 GDI. 80K miles. No issues. I change oil (synthetic) every 5k miles. Consumption is less than a quart in 5000 miles. At 75k I replaced the original tires and brakes.
shouldn't be a flex that a 7 year old car still drives. it should just do that
@@atl6s I agree with you, it should be the norm (although 75k miles on original tires and brakes with an AWD car is very good.) This hillbilly mechanic is trying to put down an entire car line because his used car has issues. I wonder if he is aware Toyota is replacing 100,000 brand new engines?
Our 2015 w/3.3 has 160k. Had a minor AC issue and just fixed an easy coolant leak. Been a surprising good vehicle. Looking for another 17-18 with lower miles. Wouldn’t hesitate to buy.
I suspect the key is regular routine maintenance. Your car is doing well because you are doing the oil changes and other scheduled maintenance. I wonder how many people wait to change their oil at 10,000 mile intervals (or when the mood strikes them), and then wonder why their engine is going belly-up before 100,000 miles.
Here in Ireland we get those Santa fes with a 2.2 diesel and they're relatively reliable
Bought a 2010 kia forte ex 4 door sedan with 69,000 miles on it 6 years ago. It has 170,000 miles on it now, and I drive my cars hard. It's been extremely reliable and does not use any oil between its 5000 oil changes. All i use is full synthetic. Only thing I had to replace was camshaft positioning sensor which was easy and only $20 for the part. I love this car, it's been more reliable then the 2005 corolla I had.
my kia koup locked up at 230k miles new engine at dealer is 3200 not bad at all. hope i can get another 200k out of it
I've had my Kia Rio 5 for 9 years. Runs like a top. If regular maintenance is done from the get-go, they do quite well.
Same for me, 10 years...
Rios have an ancient 1.6 liter engine they seem to be way more solid than the 2.4s
buy a used car with over 100k miles and no maintenance history and wonder why it has issues-
@@CRAPO2011 smaller engines under 2 liters usually grenade a lot sooner due to all the extra strain so that's strange if true.
I’m 59 years old. I started my automotive career in 1985.. when the first Hyundai came out anyone that asked me I told him don’t you dare buy that car. Now in the year 2024 and you even ask me I flat out. Tell him stay away from Hyundai and Kia.. And keep in mind this is a throwaway car. You drive it to it breaks, and you get rid of it.. but honestly, I never would recommend a Hyundai or Kia ever
My sister bought a Kia Sportage brand new. 2017. Did everything they recommend on time and it burns oil. It failed the test and they did a soak. Still failed so it's getting a new engine.
Only 80k miles or so!!
I have a 2020 sportage that I’ve already put 90k on and it still looks brand new, and drives like new. I think they fixed the engine issue with the 2020 models forward, but I’ve never even had a check engine light or anything happen to make it run or drive any different. It’s still in like new condition which I’m actually surprised by. The paint still gleams like new, I’ve had it in the Florida sun all this time. The interior is flawless other than very light stretching from sitting in the driver seat with no separation or friction damage from getting in and out. I’ve never had a vehicle that aged so well with insane miles being put on daily.
This is an old model Santa Fe, 12 years old, with some wear issues.
The Honda Civic my son had, was overall reliable, but still had some creeks from the suspension and uneven brake rotors. The Toyota Prius we sold 9 years ago also had suspension noises, oil leak and cheap interior trim pieces that would break and Toyota was not able to fix.
Hyundai and Kia did improve drastically since. They are no longer priced much differently. Honda also had several quality issues around transmissions failing and oil consumption.
I think they messed up big time with their theta engine and with skimping on an immobilizer on many models. Bottom line, I am not sure you can condemn the entire lineup as unreliable today. A car from 12 years ago, that shares very little with the same car today, is not an indication of anything.
Agree. Many people that buy them are the type that don't maintain and take care of vehicles.
hyundai kia after 2010 are junks.
There was is still an ongoing massive engine recall on Kia/Hyundai with the four cylinder GDI engines. My wife's 14 Kia Sportage had one of those engines replaced one year ago. Every Kia dealership in our metro area is swapping out these bad motors 3 vehicles per day. Maintenance has nothing to do with it. These motors were defective from the factory.
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you...
Complaining about a flat spare tire and bad hood struts? Kind of a stretch, don't you think? My 2010 Honda Crosstour had bad hood and tailgate struts at 10 years old. Put some air in the spare. Not deal-breakers.
Well car wizard I have had the opposite experience.
2003 Kia spectra 215k miles before it rusted through
2010 Hyundai Tuscon 2.4 non GDI 303k miles
2013 Kia Soul 2.0 non GDI 197k miles
2020 Hyundai Elantra 2.0 GDI 207k miles
I'm sure you've worked on more Hyundai and Kia than I have owned but I'm either lucky or those people are unlucky.
As others have stated on here.
3.3 V6 MPI is a solid bulletproof motor, probably close to comparison with The classic Toyota. 2008 Hyundai Sonata GLS mine has 230,000 me and you can't even tell that it's running. Yes it has a few quirks here and there, but has been a solid vehicle that still gets good gas mileage as well as decent power. Nobody seems to talk about these engines, other than on this thread, which I am happy to see!!!
haha I have a 2007 chrysler 300c. I have double the list of things I have replaced. Did it all myself and the parts still cost a lot. My car has almost half the mileage and all the wear and tear stuff went on me years ago. If my car looked as mint as that underneath I would do it all again. The underside of my car is all rust, like swiss cheese levels. On the lift that Hyundai looks better than the underside of my car did 10 years ago. You guys are so lucky!!!
I own a 2011 Santa Fe 4cyl over 200,000 miles. Except for brakes and front struts ,its been a great buy . And I'm the 3rd owner. Lightin up Frances. Toyota just announced two weeks ago they have over half a million trucks with bad engines they have to replace .
My o7 Santa Fe 3'3: engine over 300 k runs fine regular maintenance no problem un fair video
I disagree. I have a 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring GLS otherwise known as the i30. It has been the most reliable car I have owned. It has been easy to maintain, great on gas and has not failed me in the way this Sante Fe has. I have 130k and have no issues. It runs quiet like it's brand new. It has been inexpensive to replace parts and have them installed. I have owned this car since new and costs have been $300 or less a year. It has the 2.0 engine and it's been great
Everyone i know with this car and an engine blow before 100k
I disagree. I have a 2012 Hyundai Sonata and the engine seized up on me at 152k, had very regular maintenance intervals and it had clean oil. I'm still working with my local dealership to get the engine replaced under recall warranty. I'll never be buying Korean again
@@isaacbrown1106 Sucks for them. I haven't ever had an issue with mine. But I also do regular maintenance and inspect my engine and mechanics often
@@Evan2that's rough, I'm sorry you had those issues but at least they are working with you. Maybe you just got a bad engine or something wore out prematurely
Not arguing with anyone here but in my experience I'd say ur lucky but good for u
Hate to be that guy but dude works on Ferraris and complains about fixing a cheap Hyundai, everything mentioned that failed is a easy fix and can happen to any car really
MANY mechanics that work on them call them 100k mile disposable vehicles.they soon begin to fall apart after 100k miles.
Sounds just like a Mini Cooper. After 100,000 miles, they start to drain your bank account.
That’s how I spell FORD
I disagree about minis.
They nickel and dime you from the start! My R56 mini base with the 1.6 has 188k miles and it cruises at 120 mph like a BMW. The steering is incredible, floor mounted throttle like a Porsche.
That's pretty much every car today besides Toyota and Honda, maybe Subaru.
@@wigletron2846Suburu, no. LoL
the repairs he didn’t aren’t serious problems. i have a 2013 elantra and it’s been rock solid zero issues. only maintenance needed.
When my little baby was riding in the car seats, we were in tanks, 80s vintage Delta 88s, 98 Regency, Custom Cruiser. Weight and safety. Then a custom conversion van.
Bought one of these, a 2010, with the manual transmission (lol) during lockdowns just before inflation/car demand went through the roof. Super cheap and it was in good shape - oil sprayed for rust and I suspect garage stored, used as a second car by a retired couple out in the country. Looked almost new inside and out at 105k miles. Guy at the lot was surely glad to be rid of it, a manual SUV???
Bought it with the understanding that it was a 10+ year old car and it was going to need some work. Also did my homework into the Theta II problem before buying, and seems the MPI is not affected (UOAs reflect this). I'm at 125k miles now as well, and it's been basically solid but has had a couple silly things go wrong - the ECU went bad (?!?) but that was easily fixed by sourcing good used ($70) and having a dude clone it ($300). Front wheel bearings have both died, and a ball joint. Silly part here is that the axles could NOT be removed from the knuckles as they had rusted in, and ended up having to cut the axles up. Sounds like this wasn't the worst problem to have as the boots likely didn't have much life left in them.
In my opinion this review/non-recommendation was unnecessarily harsh. They are cheap cars to buy, parts are very reasonable and they are simple and uncomplicated to work on. A Toyota/Honda at the same price point is going to be much higher mileage/older and going to need this kind of work, and they have their share of foibles (can we talk about that 2AZ engine?). This kind of advice from these RUclips mechanics is akin to "stop being poor" or "just quit being fat to get healthy". - sounds smart but too broad to be helpful. Do your homework about the thing you're going to spend lots of money on, and entrust your life to, and you'll be fine.
Very good point. I’ve seen just as many people get screwed on Toyotas because they think the brand reputation trumps age and wear on their vehicles. Bushings will still wear out and need to be replaced on literally every car eventually. My 1999 Lexus LS400 needs most of the front suspension components just from being old, even though the thing only has 137k
@@quintonulm2435 ok, but... Yotas and Hondas have a long history of making reliable products that last. I buy them, but also appreciate first checking for wear and routine maintenance. Id wager far more get burned buying a used Hyundai vs Toyota simply due to the engine and transmission issues alone.
That said, I find it humorous a buddy blew the engine in his Avalon 2 times before realizing the mechanics doing the work neglected to properly rebuild the cartridge oil filter. WTF Toyota, can't just use a simple spin on like the rest? Just goes to show anybody can kill any car, even mechanics.
When I was shopping for my next vehicle a month ago, I had a friend ask me "Why aren't you considering a Hyundai or Kia?" This is why.
Someone in this video has suggested a pre-purchase inspection. Probably would have been a good idea with this car.
I mean, this guy is a mechanic who has access to a shop and a lift and he didn't discover ANY of this stuff before buying?
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Good point
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze That doesn't make a good video, so... "no".
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze mechanic should do his own pre-purchase inspection. Otherwise buy a CPO car, it might even be cheaper than a non CPO car.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze EXACTLY! It's a 12 year old vehicle with 130,000 miles on it. So you need new CV axles, Big Deal, they're $100. for the pair, and ZERO labor. All the things you've described are normal items that wear out. I've owned 2 Hyundai's and would Gladly buy another one.
I have to assume Kia and Hyndai have gotten much better than the old days. But that doesn't mean they still are bottom of the barrel cheap and calculated to last until the warranty.
The major issue is absolutely no one gives a rat's butt about them or cares for them. ESPECIALLY when they are under that 100K warranty. So the lack of quality parts on them and cheap designs is only exacerbated by everything being neglected. Part of the reason I went Toyota is they are the LEAST beat on cars out there. Typically older folks who drive more conservatively and service regularly.
Actually sounds like he has done pretty well with it. Being able to fix it himself and the list of parts wasn’t all that expensive.
Not much for him to replace I'm sure. It's the labor prices at dealers and garages that kill you.
Rented one in 2017 to go to Salem Oregon for the eclipse from the Bay Area. Loved it. Also, the newest one gets very high marks, even from Hoovie and April.
Why buy one, when all it takes to steal one is a screwdriver, a USB plug, and, about 15 seconds.
not that year
Yeah if you buy a poverty spec Kia and Hyundai
@@CJ-fh5xq no you don't buy it, you steal it
All Hyundai and Kias are poverty spec. They will put you in the poor house maintaining them.
total BS only the low enbd models without push start
We had the 2012 year Santa Fe, V-6 top of the line trim, no problems. Sold it to my brother who drove it to 145k miles, no problem, except had the CV joints replaced. Other than that, just regular maintenance. Even the AC still works perfectly. Still runs well and he uses it for business deliveries all over the state.
Kansas winter is no joke. Its 90 on the missouri side 😅
I’ve got a 2008 Highlander with 140,000 miles on it and I’ve only had to do tires, brakes, serpentine belt , oil cooler hoses and a water pump. And oh yeah, windshield wiper blades..
I’m not so sure that the issues being described in this video are all that unusual for a vehicle with 120k miles. I mean cracked bushings, front suspension parts, leaky cv joints…would be expected. The vehicle is 12 years old, going on 13. Moral of the story…get rid of the vehicle before 100k miles
yet somehow my so-called 'unreliable' VW of the same age, with 160k miles and which spent its whole life on salted & potholed Chicago roads has none of those issues
It's common for most non-car people to switch before 100k miles anyways
Looks like I need to dump the Marquis. 30 years old and 500,000 miles. Well past its sell-by date.
@@lvsqcslAll original.
@@MrOnlinmrineI totally agree that non car people on average ditch their payed off cars at 100k and get into another never ending cycle of car loans. While well unformed car guys like myself know which cars are worth buying new or used and we can keep them on the road far longer. My oldest car is a 95 Acura Integra that I bought used with 100k miles in 2001. I literally raced that car hard in my youth. Yet It is still running well with 276k miles. The only major repair it has needed was a head gasket at 200k miles. Other than that I have kept up with replacing worn suspension bushings and leaking gaskets over the years.
Even after all that I have spent less than the price of a new Hyundai.
OK, as an unabashed Hyundai/Kia/Genesis hater, and an experienced automotive mechanic myself, I feel the need to point out that not a single thing on the list of “problems“ in this video is anything but normal wear and tear or maintenance on any vehicle from any manufacturer. Saying that Toyotas and Hondas don’t blow CV boots, have leaking struts, require replacement rubber hoses and bushings, or need brake jobs is absurd. I own both a Honda CRV and a Toyota Camry, and every single bushing on the suspension has been replaced on both of them, both of them have received replacement struts, both of them have received replacement hoses, both of them have needed brake pads, and both of them have similar miles as this Hyundai.
If you are going to hate on Hyundai, and I certainly would not blame you for doing that, at least be honest about it. Tell customers about their terrible wiring harnesses, the 2.4 L engines that had manufacturing problems and blew up with great regularity, CVT transmissions that can’t make it a day past 60,000 miles without spontaneous, rapid unscheduled disassembly. Tell them about real problems, not about how you bought a used car sinking everything would be perfect.
I do have to second the other folks amazement that an experienced mechanic would purchase one of these things, however.
I would also like to add that not all of these vehicles are junk, only everything after around 2007 or so. I personally owned a 2002 Hyundai Sonata(with a manual transmission, no less), it got passed on to my son for him to beat into the ground at the 200,000 mile mark. The body was rough, it used a little bit of oil between oil changes, but ran like a top and was very fun to drive. The interior still look like new, and it had no mechanical deficiencies whatsoever. I bought it cheap because of the mileage and the fact that the air conditioning didn’t work (amazingly enough it was a blown fuse due to a compressor clutch wiring harness), I did all of the expected Maintenance on it (plugs, coils, fluid changes, one CV axle, struts and control arms) and had myself a manual transmission sedan that I felt comfortable driving anywhere.
Videos like this are making me lose faith in this channel. Oh, and yes, I’m one of the people that is “disrespectful“ as you put it in another video, and the exterior and interior reviews, because really, who gives a crap?
You and Hoovie have the sketchiest sponsors.
Wizard deserves the money. I just don't buy from any sponsors. I do my own research.
stopped watching hoobie several months ago, annoying used car salesman provides no value for me
@@moonshinefuel He starts annoying me a bit too lately. He always gives these car salesman speeches on every car he shows. It is always some superlative of something, no matter how crappy the vehicle. Or the last of its kind. These days every car is the last of some category. And his daily talk channel also turned into a rumor mill channel. Most of their stories are poorly researched or not at all.
@@moonshinefuel I think a lot of people have stopped watching Hoovie judging by the much lower view counts he gets now on most of his videos. Doug Demuro's view counts are way down now too.
@@willydavidThat's his JOB. Messing around with crap box cars is how he makes money!
My brother's 2013 Kia Sorento's (kia and Hyundai use same engine) engine locked up at only 80,000 miles when it was only 7 years old. Thank God they honored the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty.
Danielson should have taken this Hyundai to a trusted local mechanic first to do a Pre Purchase Inspection and advice.
the one i had lasted 9 months before i shipped it, broken driver seat, bad cv, and killed my back. got me a mopar and i'm happy now.
My mom bought a 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe new. It now has 72,000 miles. Oil change every 5k miles or less. No issues. Maybe she’s an exception.
That’s the key honestly 5,000 mile oil changes on full synthetic & 20,000 mile transmission fluid changes nothing less
Update us when the vehicle reaches 110-120 K's
Also have the your 30,60,90K service done which includes your fuel service every 30K miles. That is a must have for every Hyundai and Kia engine and change the spark plugs at 100K. No exceptions on that one either.
Definitely burning oil by now check every 1k miles
That’s very low km so not an exception
i have a 2012 Santa Fe with 124,000 Miles and its been AWESOME. Little stuff like light bulbs go out which I can replace, but otherwise in PERFECT Condition! My local Las Vegas Hyundai Dealership Used Car Manager is always trying to buy mine because its in PRISTINE condition!! This is my 2nd 2012 Santa Fe , the 1st was totaled in a T-Bone wreck. I'm keeping it for now!! Drives and Inexpensive to maintain!!
Wow, -5°F⁉️ Must be some very volatile weather in Kansas this month 🙃
_I know this is a delayed video_ 😎
Well... I know you're a master mechanic and I'm not going to dispute what you say. I appreciate your videos and expertise. However, there might be an important factor leading to some of these poor-quality vehicles that's often overlooked. You might want to look at where those troublesome Kia/Hyundai's were built. I've had nothing but good service out of a, 2013 Rio, a 2012 Sportage AWD turbo, a 2016 Sportage AWD turbo, and a 2020 Hyundai Tuscon Ultima AWD. The Rio was sold at 98,000 miles, the 2012 Sportage was traded in for an upgraded 2016 with navigation, and we still have the Tuscon with 58,000 miles. All were built in South Korea, not in America. The 2016 Sportage has 105,000 miles and doesn't have so much as a rattle or squeak. So, it would be interesting if you dove a little deeper into the Kia/Hyundai problem and then reported back as to where these problematic vehicles are being built.
My 1999 Honda Accord has the original CV boots, no tears, cracks or leaks. Only had to replace the right front wheel bearing and the front sway bar bushings. I love this car.
I have a V6 GDI 2015 KIA Sorento, which is supposed to be similar or the same as the Santa Fe. I haven't had all of these problems. Mine is a Limited (flagship model) and I have had to replace an idle pulley on the timing chain loop, replaced an alternator, and HVAC compressor and A/C hard line. Otherwise, just small stuff like tires, alignment, a fog lamp bulb, and had one trouble interior light on the roof console in front, so I just replaced the entire console with a used one. Otherwise, it's been a terrific vehicle. Had it for 7 years now. I do scheduled oil changes using synthetic Castrol Edge (API SP/SN PLUS), and run STP intake valve cleaner through the intake every 25K miles to clean out the valves from carbon buildup. I also keep an eye on the EGR valve and replace as needed. Doing this, the engine has remained strong, smooth, and reliable.
But Wizard it was cheaper than the Rav 4
🤣🤣🤣
The Rav4 an Santa Fe are an entire class apart.
The Tucson is the eq. Hyundai to the Rav4.
Define "cheaper" when you have to dump a ton of money on it to fix all the deferred maintenance items on this vehicle.
Have a 2015 Santa Fe Limited. Purchased it from the dealership with 15k miles and I got the extended bumper to bumper 100k mile warranty. Best investment I ever made! It feels like its been in the shop more than my garage. For starters working backwards, the engine failed at 62k miles with the standard hydrolic valve failure which Hyundai was quick to deny under the extended warranty stating it was "due to lack of maintenance! " After providing the documentation of regular maintenance and arguing with the "Hyundai" extended warranty division they agreed to replace the engine which took 7 months!! Prior to that, everything from ac failure, seats, moon roof, cpu, brake system, curise controls, stereo and about everything else you can imagine has failed with astronomical quotes if done out of warranty!. And now that the warranty has ended, the transmission is acting strange. Funny thing is, the dealership originally quoted me 11k + to replace the engine and when I went to war with them over the warranty coverage they had the balls to tell me it would be a wise move to just trade it in on a new one! And they offered me a whopping 2k for the car because of the bad motor! Nuff said about Hyundai!
And Hoovie was pumping a Genesis for 101K yesterday....
Lol
@@DavidNgo86watch Scotty Kilmer if you want a real opinion on genesis vs Lexus. Night and day. Genesis is disposable Dixie cup.
@@mongo64071 I drive Toyota.
Lots of u tubers were, and are.
So you finally realized that RUclipsrs look at viewers as a monetary incentive and nothing else or do you need more proof?
I bought an '05 Santa Fe new. It came with that 10 year/100,000 mile warranty, and I never once had to use it: the car was absolutely bulletproof over both the 10 years and the 100,000 miles. But once I broke 100k on the odometer, it was just one thing after another all in rapid succession. After 3 trips to the shop & about $2k in repairs, I traded it in.
I haven't had a very extensive collection of cars over the years, but of the ones I have owned the Santa Fe ranks as my second-favorite (behind a C class I had). With the larger V6 it was plenty quick enough, it was insanely well equipped for the era, it was about as practical as a crossover could be, and it didn't look like every other SUV on the road. My neighbor had an '04 which she eventually passed on her to daughter, who still drives it today.
I had to rent a 2020 Kia Sportage, was told all maintenance had been done.
I had the car four weeks, the oil light or check engine light for oil change NEVER CAME ON.
I started noticing the mileage range going down as i filled up. When it went from 429 to 390. I checked the oil, bone dry.
Three quarters later 430, two days later 409. Until i returned seven quarts, i told the Rental Company when i turned it in.
I hope they paid you back
@abigalanderson7494
The Rental Service in question is charging people for not bringing back Tesla with full charge!!
I'm glad i was able to jump ship!!!
I had 2 Santa Fe’s, a 2016 and a 2020. Traded in both with 100k mileage each. Neither one was ever in the dealership and had zero issues except for tires and brakes.
I would like to add that in hot and difficult Indian conditions , this generation diesel sante fe is regarded as a very reliable vehicle with many examples easily doing over 300,000 kms with just regular maintenance.
@@donovanchilton5817The Kappa engines are better
Not in 🇺🇸
NoX regulations
This car represents the best of Koean technology. It is not supposed to have issues like that.
Isn't that Santa Fe kind of old (circa 2012)?
Correct. 2013 or 2014 was the next generation which was much improved. Expect for issues with the 2.4 engine.
I've owned 5 Santana Fe's and Tucson's without a single issue. I always trade out of them after 80k miles. And I'll purchase more Hyundai's as they are very reliable and really a pretty nice car. That's why you see them, all over the road. I'm a true believer and owner.
You are a great mechanic but stop with the hate. You have videos complaining about expensive cars having expensive parts….now you complain about a cheap car needing cheap parts…so what? Those Santa Fe’s are actually pretty great. The motors are pre metal shavings issue, the parts are dirt cheap, the parts are readily available, and they are EASY to work on. A Hyundai with theta ll engine? Definitely junk/gamble. That Santa Fe? I’d buy that right now and drive it cross country without batting an eye.
"cheap car needing cheap parts" did you not hear $250 for a fkin speaker?? on top of them blowing up frequently
@@raoulrr that model does not blow up frequently. Also the speaker is not $250. Maybe from high price dealer but same one online is $36
@@raoulrr also you are proving my point. Car wizard is saying $250 for speaker but that’s the most expensive one available. So it’s misleading. You can go to crutchfield and buy better speakers for way cheaper… you could also probably find a $600 spare tire replacement but why? The cheap one will do fine. See my point?
I had a poverty spec 2016 Rio, bought new in 2017. The transmission straight up fell off the car at 85k. Two bolts backed themselves out, leaving it hanging by however many loose bolts it still had. I shifted carefully and with difficulty 30 miles back home.
Got it towed to the dealer, which denied the warranty. It covered any failure of internal components, but the bolts were deemed external and not covered. IDK if I should be angry or impressed - there was no damage inside the transmission. Drove it 10k before a texting teenager totaled it.
Come on now, those are normal wear items especially in rural areas. Disappointed in you guys.
i like the part about 1000s for replacement speakers when 100 dollars at walmart will buy a nice upgrade
My 02 Accord had failed hood struts after 10 years too. So what. Do you think Honda makes their hood struts?
Come on now, these aren’t normal wear items bro. My 16 year old Buick is still running original suspension components and it has 220k miles on it (100k of city driving), still drives perfectly fine, no issues. Hood struts all work, all the speakers work, no leaks in anything, etc. Not to mention I live in the rust belt too.
@@Billie-qb2usthese items longevity really depend on the owner.
And if you’re buying a used hyundai you have to expect the previous owner did not baby the thing.
Don't buy a Kia. I had a sportage and the transmission started making noises at 34,000km, kilometres. I traded it in for a Honda CRV
I have a '13 Santa Fe with 2.2 Diesel CRDI which I use for work as a contractor. Now with 180k kms. Very reliable car. Running strong. Not much issues.
I could’ve told him not to buy that vehicle along time ago
The most reliable vehicles I have ever owned have been Hyundai products. My wife and I currently have a 2020 Kia Niro PHEV with 118k miles and no leaks, squeaks or any mechanical issues whatsoever. My wife daily drives a 2019 Ioniq hybrid limited with 87K miles and zero issues. I have owned several other Hyundai products over the years, always new and have had very few issues. It is obvious that this Santa Fe was abused and the blanket statement Wizard is making is pure bullshit. My co workers 2012 Prius blew the head gasket and had multiple sensors go bad. The fact that your head mehanic got burned is not a good advertisement for your shop. I can also show you multiple 250-300k miles Hyundais on the road. Unsubscribing.
Buh-bye
I am on my second Santa Fe. Use for daily driver. Upgraded to modern electronics in 2017. No issues. Not at all worried about engine as it’s now warrantied for life on my model.
The V6 3.5 Lambda ones are another world. Good power and so reliable. The 2.4 ones are indeed knows for endless problems, even here in Brazil.
3.3 same story, also pretty good.
I had a 2012 Kia Sedona minivan with the 3.5 and it was insanely great. I eventually sold it at 210,000 miles, and I didn't want to. The only repairs it ever needed was an oil sensor because the seal went bad. So much power, it is FAST. It was also in Kia's Titanium Silver Metallic, best color for the vehicle and extremely durable. I miss that car.
My daughter had been driving for about a year. As she went to pull out of a parking lot, she looked left and then right. As she eased out, she checked left again and saw a car she had not noticed before. She put a small crease down the side of that car with her front bumper. The car was a new police car the officer had just picked up that morning. She now double checks both ways before pulling out of a parking lot.
He gets the replacement parts using the Wizzards discount, he does all the work. I mean at the end of the day, no biggie.
imagine a mechanic not identifying the issues when he bought the car for himself lmao
I’ve always heard about the lack of quality and dependability of Hyundai, and this video confirms my suspicions. It’s hard to believe that other RUclipsrs don’t comment on this. Thank you David and Daniel.
Haha this is a joke. Hood struts is to difficult to fix. STAY AWAY FROM THIS "MECHANIC"
also thousands for speaker replacement when under 100 bucks at walmart would be an upgrade for the factory speakers
I have a 2017 3.3 GDI with 96k miles. 5k oil change intervals. Only major stuff I’ve had to do is all rotors. Of course the tires. Bought it CPO with 42k in 2020, dunno if the battery is the original one but have not had to replace it. No rust since I wash it during the winter and do the underbody well.
Edit, at 50k I did take it in to service. Under warranty got the oil pressure switched replaced.
All wear items...
Yup. This is a click-bait vid and I fell for it. Seems that Wizard recently got his diploma from the Scotty Kilmer School of Click-Bait Vids
As a previous Hyundai owner, I can relate that you do everything to a Hyundai that you do to all other cars, but you do them about 40,000 miles sooner.
For a 12 year old vehicle ( a daily driver) I didn’t hear anything out of the ordinary on his list of repairs. The only downside with Hyundai or Kia is the resale value.
My parents have a 2016 Sonata with 2.4 that I recommended to them YEARS ago. Fortunately, the car has been very reliable and had no issues so far (only 70k on the clock), but knowing what I know now, I've been desperately trying to get them to sell it while they still can.
Must be cold in Newton today....five below.....
I was wondering if they shot this in the winter as a back up video to keep up with the upload schedule
Around January 18th
Correct, may 19, late spring, early summer. Kansas never go to near freezing. This video must shot during deep winter.
Surprised him being a mechanic knowing the history of them still bought it. Back when i worked on cars i knew to get something cheap reliable and easy to work on. Bought a 1990 Chevy c1500 15 years ago, best $300 i ever spent never left me stranded yet