Well, since you asked for ideas for videos, here is one: when I started playing golf in the early 90s, one of my playing partners had a weird club he had made himself. It was a 2 iron, with a 3wood shaft. He did not carry a driver or a fairway wood. He played that monster from tee, and struck it mostly well past the early 90s metalwoods that the rest of us were using. So, the idea for a video - what could you create with todays hollow body driving irons that would replicate that club. Maybe even a 2-iron with a short driver shaft. Could that perform?
Great shot hole in one shot with the Bettinardi!!! Regarding how to qualify? I personally would not count a simulator hole in the same category as an on-course hole in in one. I think there must be two separate categories to differentiate the two while maintaining proper golf spirit integrity.
Fred Couples liked those irons in another video. My first impression here of the mb was it looked like a Maltby iron. That's a good thing! I'd like to see you try those out on grass, turf interaction/sole grind, different lies , rough..etc etc. I've been foiled by mats at the store. Iron felt great there, once out on real grass the story was drastically different, uh oh!
Sim race car drivers can post amazing lap times, which is certainly a show of ability, and some have showed they have the same talent in reality. BUT there are tiny chaotic variables in reality that even the most powerful of simulators just don't replicate. Hitting a ball that well is testament to your skill, but doesn't really include the little bits of added "luck" needed in reality. Although not far from being real, a simulated HIO should best be bragged about for what it is - virtual reality. Welldone on 2 of them in such a short span of time. That being said - I do like pretty looking irons, and those Betty' MBs are all that!
5 hdcp, higher swing speed, 95 ish with a 7 iron. Hot take, graphite irons and blades are more forgiving for me than my old JPX forged and nippon 120s because of the increase in launch and spin! More spin= more forgiveness
I use to play E6 connect in Wintertime a the garage. The settings are advanced player but I play front tees because I cannot use long clubs there. I have a hole in one 2-3 times per Winter.
Content idea... head weight vs. shaft weight... so take the Apex Pro iron and change the weights in the head with a light shaft and a heavy shaft. So light head heavy shaft, light head light shaft: then heavy head light shaft, heavy head heavy shaft. May be able to use this in the future🤔
Would love to see if heavier or larger grips in short iron and wedge affect ball flight and consistency. Looking into jumbomax jmx XS grips in the wedges and pw-9 to slowy hands down. Also looking at the tour version but not sure if the weight difference is a advantage.
I sneaked onto my course a couple of weeks ago to work on my wedges (we have a short 110 yard par 3) and one of my shots went in the hole from a tee shot. I was testing out my gap wedge but only 2 (of about 12) reached the green so an interesting experiment but kind of suggested play percentages with a PW instead?
Hi, love the channel. I have a question/experiment I don't think has much study on. For an iron hosel with the shaft hole that is generally 1.25 inches, what happens if you install the shaft only 1 inch in, or .75 inch? Assuming the overall shaft length is still the same, what happens with a .25 or -.5 space at the bottom of the hole in regards to distance, feel (doing a blind test?), or the risk of the iron coming off?
Could you do a video of vintage style blades vs modern clubs and why someone might play better with the vintage clubs? I'm trying to parse out why I play better with a set of 1978 Ben Hogan Medallions (with legend 3 shafts) than I do with any of my many sets of modern clubs? Notably my favorite is a set of Maltby TE Forged with DG S300 105g. I suspect it might be the reduced bounce? Everything else seems pretty equal. (Lofts are matched, shaft weights and flexes are close, total weight and swing weight are similar.) Thanks
I don't have a hole in one in either world, but for what it's worth my simulator handicap (E6) is +3.1 whereas real life is closer to -31. Don't know how you'd make a video about it, as it'd take months to test and it seems really hard to define a reasonable baseline, but: I've wondered for a while about having 2 sets of irons, some really forgiving ones for playing and some more communicative ones for practicing. I'm concerned that if I use only forgiving irons they will let me get away with bad strikes long enough to form bad habits which are then a lot of work to eliminate. So I wonder if a two matched sets (same lofts, shafts, swingweight, grips, etc) but one set blade heads to practice with and one set hollow heads to play with would be beneficial.
Congrats on your unreal ace. Imagine you are you are training to be a pilot in a flight simulator. You take off. Are you flying? You might think you are but if you hang up your headphones and climb out of the ‘cockpit’, your feet will be on the ground. So I suggest keeping YOUR feet on the ground and not counting your simulated ace as a hole in one. As a topic, could you do some work on comparing steel verses graphite shafts for irons? Is steel really more accurate? What are the benefits, if any, of a graphite shaft for a slower swing?
I would seem the simulator hole in one and a course hole in one separate; reason being as there are more variables of difficultly when playing on the course.
Great review, beautiful clubs...I almost hate to research cost/head and ruin it all 🙂. I rate sim HIOs close to little par 3 course HIOs...ratings not closely equivalent to a full nine or 18-hole course HI0. I have several sim HIOs and two short course HIOs (one 80 yard hole and one 110 yard hole...basically the same yardages as approach shots on full courses or a recovery shot from a fat full par 3 tee ball).
The ball follow camera seems like it doesn’t pan low enough when the shot hits the ground. I know it’s one of Foresight’s cameras but never really liked that one…
I don't think the simulator ace "counts". There are so many variables that sim golf takes out. So many stars have to align in real golf for an ace to happen that you could argue it requires more skill.
After seeing them in person, I just can’t get into the look and finish. Too busy and seem confused whether they want a satin or a shiny finish. Please don’t mix these finishes. It doesn’t work.
Nope. Never hit a simulated hole in one. Almost on my Nintendo frisbee golf came close. Can't count or you'd count all the cars you recked on "Need for Speed" or get locked up because you have a high body count in "The Call of Duty" would spend life in prison for grand theft or murder...hmmmm. Since you don't need a signature on the simulator score card like you do in Real Life to calculate a handicap but, as a community now having this conversation can reliably say, its will just be braggin rights with you and your buddies for sure. Unless PGA, USGA, RnA change score keeping.
@@EFGMC Cool. I thought we were answering the question as to how to treat it. Its full braggin rights for sure. Thanks for responding dude!! I'll be back to watch. Can you rate the Tour Edge 370 line of clubs with graphite shafts and where they fit in the beginner or Regular or Senior games?
A simulator "Hole in One" is exactly what it is by definition..... " Simulated" sim·u·lat·ed /ˈsimyəˌlādəd/ adjective manufactured in imitation of some other material. "a simulated leather handbag" (of an emotion) pretended or feigned. "she howled in simulated anguish" imitating the conditions of something, especially as a training exercise. "a simulated emergency landing"
It’s like hitting a home run during batting practice
Well, since you asked for ideas for videos, here is one: when I started playing golf in the early 90s, one of my playing partners had a weird club he had made himself. It was a 2 iron, with a 3wood shaft. He did not carry a driver or a fairway wood. He played that monster from tee, and struck it mostly well past the early 90s metalwoods that the rest of us were using. So, the idea for a video - what could you create with todays hollow body driving irons that would replicate that club. Maybe even a 2-iron with a short driver shaft. Could that perform?
Great shot hole in one shot with the Bettinardi!!! Regarding how to qualify? I personally would not count a simulator hole in the same category as an on-course hole in in one. I think there must be two separate categories to differentiate the two while maintaining proper golf spirit integrity.
Fred Couples liked those irons in another video. My first impression here of the mb was it looked like a Maltby iron. That's a good thing!
I'd like to see you try those out on grass, turf interaction/sole grind, different lies , rough..etc etc.
I've been foiled by mats at the store. Iron felt great there, once out on real grass the story was drastically different, uh oh!
I agree though I’m not a great tester for that because my turf interaction is minimal with my impact position. #ThinToWin
Great video! Content idea. AMT white vs regular dynamic golds. Can’t find any direct comparisons anywhere. Thx
Sim race car drivers can post amazing lap times, which is certainly a show of ability, and some have showed they have the same talent in reality. BUT there are tiny chaotic variables in reality that even the most powerful of simulators just don't replicate. Hitting a ball that well is testament to your skill, but doesn't really include the little bits of added "luck" needed in reality. Although not far from being real, a simulated HIO should best be bragged about for what it is - virtual reality. Welldone on 2 of them in such a short span of time. That being said - I do like pretty looking irons, and those Betty' MBs are all that!
5 hdcp, higher swing speed, 95 ish with a 7 iron. Hot take, graphite irons and blades are more forgiving for me than my old JPX forged and nippon 120s because of the increase in launch and spin! More spin= more forgiveness
Dam, that top view of that Mizuno 241 is crazy.. looks so dang small and compact. Both gorgeous irons thi
You got the hole in one finally! We just talked about this last week. LOL
I use to play E6 connect in Wintertime a the garage. The settings are advanced player but I play front tees because I cannot use long clubs there. I have a hole in one 2-3 times per Winter.
Could you test the new vice irons and the McGregor players irons?
Content idea... head weight vs. shaft weight... so take the Apex Pro iron and change the weights in the head with a light shaft and a heavy shaft. So light head heavy shaft, light head light shaft: then heavy head light shaft, heavy head heavy shaft. May be able to use this in the future🤔
Finally!!! Been waiting to see a legit one! Nice AJ.
Would love to see reviews of the Yonex CB- line. No ones has done it yet
Need to look into those.
Would love to see if heavier or larger grips in short iron and wedge affect ball flight and consistency. Looking into jumbomax jmx XS grips in the wedges and pw-9 to slowy hands down. Also looking at the tour version but not sure if the weight difference is a advantage.
Heck Yeah!! They are different categories, but still impressive!
I sneaked onto my course a couple of weeks ago to work on my wedges (we have a short 110 yard par 3) and one of my shots went in the hole from a tee shot. I was testing out my gap wedge but only 2 (of about 12) reached the green so an interesting experiment but kind of suggested play percentages with a PW instead?
Great work on the channel. It would be interesting to see at what point using a shaft extensions changes performance. 1/4", 1/2", 1"?? Thanks!
Hi, love the channel. I have a question/experiment I don't think has much study on. For an iron hosel with the shaft hole that is generally 1.25 inches, what happens if you install the shaft only 1 inch in, or .75 inch? Assuming the overall shaft length is still the same, what happens with a .25 or -.5 space at the bottom of the hole in regards to distance, feel (doing a blind test?), or the risk of the iron coming off?
Could you do a video of vintage style blades vs modern clubs and why someone might play better with the vintage clubs?
I'm trying to parse out why I play better with a set of 1978 Ben Hogan Medallions (with legend 3 shafts) than I do with any of my many sets of modern clubs? Notably my favorite is a set of Maltby TE Forged with DG S300 105g.
I suspect it might be the reduced bounce? Everything else seems pretty equal. (Lofts are matched, shaft weights and flexes are close, total weight and swing weight are similar.)
Thanks
Absolutely hole in one!!!
I don't have a hole in one in either world, but for what it's worth my simulator handicap (E6) is +3.1 whereas real life is closer to -31.
Don't know how you'd make a video about it, as it'd take months to test and it seems really hard to define a reasonable baseline, but:
I've wondered for a while about having 2 sets of irons, some really forgiving ones for playing and some more communicative ones for practicing. I'm concerned that if I use only forgiving irons they will let me get away with bad strikes long enough to form bad habits which are then a lot of work to eliminate. So I wonder if a two matched sets (same lofts, shafts, swingweight, grips, etc) but one set blade heads to practice with and one set hollow heads to play with would be beneficial.
Congrats on your unreal ace. Imagine you are you are training to be a pilot in a flight simulator. You take off. Are you flying? You might think you are but if you hang up your headphones and climb out of the ‘cockpit’, your feet will be on the ground. So I suggest keeping YOUR feet on the ground and not counting your simulated ace as a hole in one. As a topic, could you do some work on comparing steel verses graphite shafts for irons? Is steel really more accurate? What are the benefits, if any, of a graphite shaft for a slower swing?
Just a quick question do you have any idea what the moi on the two are thank up
well done AJ... I take it the shafts are your specs?
Awesome! Review over!
Drinks all round in England. The answer to your question is you should have waited for a Competition. Still nice to see.
Off topic but can I add weight to a certain place on my driver head to lower spin? How much should I add?
Yes, adding weight low and closer to the face can lower spin. Amount will depend on the golfer.
Great shot 33 degree 7 iron.. 178
Very similar to Dtc irons available from.many suppliers.
Distance dispersion is pretty good
I would seem the simulator hole in one and a course hole in one separate; reason being as there are more variables of difficultly when playing on the course.
Great review, beautiful clubs...I almost hate to research cost/head and ruin it all 🙂.
I rate sim HIOs close to little par 3 course HIOs...ratings not closely equivalent to a full nine or 18-hole course HI0. I have several sim HIOs and two short course HIOs (one 80 yard hole and one 110 yard hole...basically the same yardages as approach shots on full courses or a recovery shot from a fat full par 3 tee ball).
My question is. The differences between all the clubs and brands nowadays are so minuscule, isn't it more relevant to use the right ball instead?
We all witnessed it, you owe us all a simulated drink!
So pretty much all things being equal in looks, construction, and playability.. $1600 Bettinardi MB24's or $500 Maltby TS4's?..
I will risk expulsion but all these heads are $20 from.china or taiwan.Finished and badged differently
exactly
Gotta put it in the bag now.
My 9 year old had a hole in one on trackman a few months ago and he still believes he hasn't had a real one yet, i tend to agree with him.
I went back to my MB clubs. I'm a 9 hcp but the Game Imp irons just do not give me a thrill
That's the first sim hole out I've seen. It should always be declared as a "sim hole in one". Almost as good as on course. Almost.
I had simulated eagles but no simulated hole in one.
Good hole out, you have to game them for at least a round
I guess that means that the MB's are going in your bag, AJ. :-)
Simulator hole in one doesn't count. But,.. it's still very cool.
The ball follow camera seems like it doesn’t pan low enough when the shot hits the ground. I know it’s one of Foresight’s cameras but never really liked that one…
Nothin feels like a … Bettinardi 😊
🤓 sim and par 3 course HIO's are just that, only real ones are on full length standard courses outdoors.
You can count it as a hole in one if you get the beers in😂
Count it. The game is too hard not to.
If in one of my dreams I have a hole in one, does it count?😂
You have to buy a set now... Have had a sim hole-in-one. Cannot count IMO
I don't think the simulator ace "counts". There are so many variables that sim golf takes out. So many stars have to align in real golf for an ace to happen that you could argue it requires more skill.
If you're unalived in a video game, are you actually unalive?
Had 1 hole in one on trackman, and no it does not count lol
After seeing them in person, I just can’t get into the look and finish. Too busy and seem confused whether they want a satin or a shiny finish. Please don’t mix these finishes. It doesn’t work.
Great shot!!! But is is not a real 'one' haha.
It doesn’t count as a real life hole in one. Sure if you want to track sim hios go for it.
Nope. Never hit a simulated hole in one. Almost on my Nintendo frisbee golf came close. Can't count or you'd count all the cars you recked on "Need for Speed" or get locked up because you have a high body count in "The Call of Duty" would spend life in prison for grand theft or murder...hmmmm. Since you don't need a signature on the simulator score card like you do in Real Life to calculate a handicap but, as a community now having this conversation can reliably say, its will just be braggin rights with you and your buddies for sure. Unless PGA, USGA, RnA change score keeping.
Foresight gives you a special message when you make one.
@@EFGMC Cool. I thought we were answering the question as to how to treat it. Its full braggin rights for sure. Thanks for responding dude!! I'll be back to watch. Can you rate the Tour Edge 370 line of clubs with graphite shafts and where they fit in the beginner or Regular or Senior games?
sim HIO don't count......
My only hole in one was on a simulator. Probably pretty realistic, but I don't consider it counting. Not quite a video game but not real either.
Simulator, a pad to hit off of, no outside conditions to talk about, hmm can it be real? I think the word simulator says it all…
Holes in one on a simulator, seperate from the real golf course hole in one.
A simulator "Hole in One" is exactly what it is by definition..... " Simulated" sim·u·lat·ed
/ˈsimyəˌlādəd/
adjective
manufactured in imitation of some other material.
"a simulated leather handbag"
(of an emotion) pretended or feigned.
"she howled in simulated anguish"
imitating the conditions of something, especially as a training exercise.
"a simulated emergency landing"