You gotta get your facts straight and be able to hold your own when going in a verbal combat with Nico Rosberg. Some say “interview”, but he can get real debate-y.
Charles official nickname in Italy is “Il Predestinato”, he is “the predestined”, the chosen one. His blood runs Rosso Corsa, he’s not going anywhere 😂
Couldn’t agree more with the recency bias here. If Lando loses the WDC by a few points, his fans will turn to this race and Hungary as the reason he lost and not instances like Imola, Spain, Austria, and Silverstone. They’d rather blame someone else than recognize their idol couldn’t capitalize in important moments.
Imola is really hard to pass. Austria, Max kept moving under breaking. Silverstone McLaren dropped the ball with strategy. If lando loses the WDC by less than 7 points everybody is going to look at hungary because giving Oscar a race win when he isn't in contention for the WDC was very stupid.
I honestly dont understand why you keep saying Leclerc was fumbling in 2022 when the only race he fumbled was the French GP, the rest was all either Ferrari clown strategies or the car breaking down (Spanish GP/ Baku). If Lando was doing as well as Leclerc in 2022 , he would already be about to overtake Max in the championship.
What lando fans need to learn is when max won his first title when Lewis won his, guess what they did? They went out and took it they beat everyone. Lando fans wants it handed to lando. If lando wants to be champion he has to go and take it not have it handed to him
Simple why oscar did not let lando pass in the end: in 5 years time nobody will look at the results and say "ah this was the time Piastri was faster then norris but he let him by for the championchip to win" what they will see is "Norris was better then Piastri" and thats not an outcome any driver would want.
Oscar did not ruin George's race. He moved over cleanly and George miscalculated and lost control of his car. George then went on to collide with Checo at turn 4 and break his front wing. Two mistakes from George are what ruined his race.
Mclaren putting Lando on used soft tyres on the final pit stop at Silverstone, when he had brand new mediums cost Lando more points than any situation where Oscar benefited from team orders.
That's why I hate the narrative of "if Lando loses by X points, it's because of Oscar" - like no? There's many opportunities where Lando could've gained points and he didn't either by his or the team's error. It's not like Lando's WDC hopes should be resting solely on the shoulders of Oscar.
@@user-wu1uk8ce9k We have to be honest. McLaren is still making a mistake by not trying to get him absolutely every single point possible. Redbull will sacrifice Perez at the drop of a hat to maximise the points for Max. If McLaren wants Lando to win it they should be doing the same. I understand not being willing to take Oscar's first win but yesterday, was 2nd REALLY that valuable to Oscar compared to Lando catching Max?
@@SinisterMike My point is that there's a lot of blaming Oscar going around (not saying you, just in general) when really McLaren are the ones fumbling this by continuing to make strategic errors both on track and with not prioritizing Lando, if the WDC is their goal. It's not really Oscar's fault, though a lot of people will say it is.
@@steffighter144 Sure, but Lando also left the door open for him which was an error on him. Every driver would go for a gap if they see one, and if Oscar hasn't been specifically instructed to not do that vs. Lando then that's also an error on the team. That's the point I'm making
I'm not a big fan of Max, not a big fan of lando, but I would still want to see a new champion, and McLaren and Lando are fumbling this big time, but the worst part is or maybe I should say the funniest part is looking at these British presenters losing their mind because finally a white British driver has a chance to win a championship and they can see it's slipping away.
LOL! The British bias is insane. I watch the SkyF1 feed and for the commentators having to say something nice about Leclerc was so funny. Love to hear them struggle to compliment Ferrari and their strategy. They desperately want Lando to win it but Lando has to do it himself. If they piss off Lando enough, then I see Lando bouncing to Red Bull when Max leaves as you guys have said
oscar did not ruin anybodys race. george ruined his own then again with checo and lando shouldve defended EVERY corner and not leave the door open for charles its called racing he was caught napping.
Yes, but he always gives Oscar enough room. If he was TRULY aggressive, he would push him onto the grass like he did to Max in Spain. I hope Lando takes this as a lesson. He rarely fought Oscar hard (only times I can remember are Hungary '23, and Monza '23, when he got the undercut on Oscar). He needs to fight Piastri as hard as he fought Max in Austria. There's no Teamwork at McLaren anymore.
Guys, I 100% believe Mark Webber had something put into Oscar's contract to protect Osc from the bullshit that Mark had to deal with!!!! It's the only thing that makes sense at this point. It's not the fault of Oscar if Lando can't keep a lead from pole for an entire lap. Also LOL @ Nico asking questions to the boys about racing each other and trying to bring about Nico/Lewis rivalty 2.0
Nico was definitely stirring there like an interfering old gossip trying to get bad blood and taki g sides going. Quite an insight into Nico's character and motivation .
Commentators being mad at the McLarens racing each other was weird. They're attacking McLaren for not using team orders, as if that would have made the race better. Out of touch, honestly.
I remember the Piquet vs Prost battle in 1983, with Piquet winning with 1 point difference, and also the 2004 battle between Schumacher and Barrichello, with Schumacher winning the championship with 1 point difference. Oh and Hamilton and Massa, in 2008😂 It will be so funny if we will see another final race like this in Abu Dhabi!
McLaren is crazy. Papaya rules should be no shenanigans on lap 1. They locked out the front row, they should work together to keep it at least. Sure let them race, but after securing the bag.
You guys need to understand something that’s no such thing as a number one driver if Zac decide that lando is number one and Oscar is number two Oscar is out the door because he is the new Alonso boy don’t settle for second place and to me (a lando fan) Oscar is right if lando wants that WDC he better BE THE BEST DRIVER Oscar don’t need to just let him pass and win he want he better get it he has all the potencial and the car he just need to put his shit together I love lando will all my hard but he need to be the full package I defend Oscar for being a savage and Charles deserves the win he is the king of Italy he is the prince of Ferrari he look the pit wall in the face and say fuc* you and win just like George did and this is being a f1 driver to me
If McLaren would be pulling team orders to favor Lando everyone will be hating them for it. It's a lose-lose situation. So I much prefer that they are letting them race.
And I totally agree that Lando doesn't deserve the WDC this year as much as Max does. Doing the best is one thing, but the attitude "not desperate / not gonna beg for a pass" to me means his pride (winning with just his own merit) is more important to him than winning the WDC ASAP at all cost. Max is doing EVERYTHING to win another WDC; ANOTHER WDC (yes, he still wants another one and wants to win every single damn race unlike how Lando unenthusiastically celebrated his 2nd career win last weekend.) I don't want to see someone win the WDC who wouldn't put their everything into it. Rather see Oscar or other drivers fight neck to neck with Max
Lando killed Oscar’s desire to help him because of his antics in Hungary. Lando was only in front because Oscar was left out twice while Lando was pitted first. If Oscar had been given the favourable strategy he would have been 10 seconds down the road.
Am I the only argentinian fan of you guys? I'm watching this right now, I hope you talked at least some words about Franco Colapinto :) Either way, love your podcasts!
43:06 can’t compare Yuki with Carlos. Carlos has had an amazing career after he left Redbull always going under the radar performances. Sainz has had some bad luck (Russell taking him out 2022 US GP) and some other races. Lewis deserves the Ferrari seat for sure and Charles deserves it too. Just missed opportunity for Mercedes to take Carlos and giving the shoot to Kimi
About the comparative between Sainz and Goldens Boys, I have to agree with the Sainz fan's comment. I kinda related to it. That's why I like Nelson Piquet. Talented, but not a force of nature like Senna, strategist, but not boring like Prost (he is a legend, though) and cunning and brave in his way. If you see, Piquet didn't have family support and started late in autoracing. With that background, Piquet (like Fittipaldi) should be more praised by fans, specially brazilians who only remember Senna.
Those who remembers Leclerc's year in the Alpha (Sauber) knows shy he's at Ferrari. To my recollection you guys don't go that long back in F1 - if you have time, try and see some of the races from that year with him - talk about a guy who stood out in a slower car.
33:28 re: hamilton to ferrari & charles golden boy status. The mechanics yesterday were chanting “c’è solo un capitano” (there’s only one captain) maybe i’m reading too much on just an ole football chant but love to speculate
Right now at this moment in time, I am unconvinced that Lando *deserves* to win this 2024 WDC. Kimi’s ‘07 win was deserved because of his consistency at the top, even with a car that lacked pace. It was just the McLaren mess that year with rookie Lewis’ end of season mistakes that caused them to lose. Which btw, is a totally different McLaren situation compared to today’s McLaren team problems. That was still the Ron Dennis days HOWEVER, I’ve never understood why THEY let themselves have two number 1’s also. Like why didn’t they tell Lewis, a rookie, to be a good teammate and support reigning champion Fernando who’s leading. Like derrr… At the time they looked and said, “Well, since we’re the fastest and we have no competition, let’s let them race.” Sure enough they let them race for the best man to win and fucking LOST. Totally their own fault. So yeah, Kimi won those last races and the championship so I disagree, he did deserve it.
I'm a Brit and I've nothing against Oscar. Lando is marginally quicker atm, but Oscar is the better racer. As soon as Oscar nails qualifying he'll become the no. 1 no. 1. Charles' one-stop performance was almost a carbon copy of what George did at Spa, only without the DSQ, and with quite a few other teams pulling it off as well. Nico Rosberg drove with the only two 7x WDCs and beat them both, one of them to a title of his own. Awesome performance.
Lando is the one who shouldn't trust the team or Oscar. Neither of them seem to want to help him win the drivers championship and he should remember that the next time they want him to give up a win for Oscar
@@Nismo331since when was a WDC 'helped' to win. That is considered race fixing a d is unsportsmanlike. You must be new to F1 racing. Its not likebplay school.where all kids get prizes even for coming last in the sack race or egg a d spoon so they dont feel left out.
@@GrizeldaOConnorBottas helped Hamilton. Perez helped Verstappen. Barricello helped Schumacher. Mark Webber helped Vettel. Piastri is afraid to become number 2 like his manager was. I hope Norris sees this and next time does not leave the extra space.
@@GrizeldaOConnor like it or not it's a team sport. You can take points off each other and let Max and Redbull win or work together and win both championships Oscar has no chance but Lando does.
McLaren need to be ruthless. Oscar is mathematically in the Championship, but it’s beyond unlikely! He’s 106 points behind with 8 rounds to go. Norris has a genuine chance at a Drivers Championship after 16 rounds. It’s the business end of the Season. They need to maximise Lando’s points. So much for “you’re going to need Oscar”…. They’ve cost Lando 10 points now!
Seriously!! So that lap and a half was the reason Charles won! He literally put the least defending ive ever seen from him cause he usually defends very well but this time he didnt want to, so they can catch Charles. you are completely discrediting Charles from this magnificent performance to make it look like Carlos sacrificed his race for Charles to win, and you - his fans - always try to find a way to make it look like that cause you guys deep down know that the 3 wins Carlos had was at cost of Charles being sabotaged by the team or sacrificed for Sainz to win and you are trying to use this weird mind games to feel better.
@@Tintinh6785Stroll held up Oscar who was gaining 2 sec per lap on Charles. He only had 11 laps to catch him after his very late pitstop. He should have gamble on a one stop and taken his chances on tires holding up.
@@GrizeldaOConnor at the start he was going for 1 stop. As the pit wall decided 2 stop was best he used up his tyres doing fast laps before pitting so lando did not undercut him. Ferrari took a gamble and it paid out well for them they had much more tyre left as leclerc wasn’t pushing hard.
That’s bullshit mate. Oscar didn’t ruin Lando or George’s race. He didn’t make contact with either of them. He outdrove both of them coz he’s a three time consecutive junior world champion. You don’t do that without balls of steel and a tonne of talent.
its so weird to me that oscar has been fucked over by the mclaren strategy (so has lando but i feel like oscars ones have been worse) but now as soon as oscar decides to do his own thing its as if mclaren have been babying him and looking after him this whole time?? which is just not true. Look at silverstone or Hungary
100% the f1 TV gasbags who said that mclaren should be biased to lando.. no he needs to prove to be the best, then talk. statistically possible is not the same as realistically possible.
I mean sure, but both of them are statistically possible of winning the championship. Only Lando has a realistically possible chance of winning it, which is why they think they should prioritize Norris.
If you guys want to hear peak Davide Valsecchi you need to go find the video of Leclerc's F2 race in Bahrain - it is a legendary drive (for good reason) and gets posted about by F2 socials every season when the Bahrain races happen :)
From what’s been bandied around, it seems like maybe there’s a cultural difference between an American take on team orders and what the Brits are spewing. Don’t get me wrong - I’m a huge anglophile, but all this “McLaren aren’t being ruthless enough and they need to help Lando win the championship with team orders” while talking out the other side of their face that F1 is a meritocracy … like how does that even square? Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, including you guys (thank goodness I watched your podcast today because I kept vomiting in my mouth at having to hear every other podcast call for team orders - all British) - it’s like how tf are you proving to yourself and the world that you’re the best if you need your team to tell your teammate to move aside for you ?!? If you are the best and deserve to be WDC, then take care of the business yourself - don’t expect someone to fall on their sword for you. Because then winning that title is a JOKE.
I honestly think most of Lando's fans are young chicks, which explains the vitriol. It doesn't explain Team LH fans though which do share some similarities so try to figure that one out.
1:08:49 Italians only know art. When they build a car, they aim to make the finest car in the world. They want to make the best food in the world. Historian John Keegan cites this as a factor in their loss in WW2 - industrial capacity, being able to produce weapons of war at a greater pace than attrition, largely won the war for the Allies. Italy only knew how to produce masterpieces, e.g., they built incredible planes during the war but were so focused on making the best planes possible that they couldn’t come anywhere close to keeping up with losses.
Lando will always be a good not great driver despite being Zac’s “son.” Same for George - legend in his own mind. Said before in F2 Lewis, Max, Oscar all obviously showed true greatness. McLaren a hot mess without focus on getting maximum pts per race. Lewis going through the emotions w passing the torch. Still believe he can get his 8th at Ferrari 💪🏽💜 I still don’t see greatness in Kimi but will bow if he proves me wrong; he’s giving me Lando/George vibes. He might grow into a dominant car but then is he more great or the car had more to with it? Just like Lando who needs the most dominant car. Btw how’s that Karma feeling Lando after all the venom you’ve spewed against Lewis since ‘21? 🤌🏽😎 I’ll never say Max deserved that WC but Merc made so many mistakes that year it shouldn’t have come down to the last race for Lewis. BUT yes Max can and does drive the wheels off of that RB regardless of how the RB is performing. I stick by what I said since 2021 - everyone needs to watch their backs because Oscar is coming for them.
As a McLaren fan, it pains me how the team continuously screw themselves over and destroyed Lando's chances (if not already) of a world championship title - even Charles could overtake with points at this rate! Imagine the prestige of winning both the constructors and drivers championship - these opportunities seldom come along and are fleeting - McLaren must get a grip on their strategies, radio communication and team orders!
I was shouting the same thing as your oepning xDDDDDD. Simply lovely, huh aged so well. I knew it would come back as karma, even if he says he didn't mean anything bad lol. I think at this point, it's harder to be a McLaren fan than a Ferrari fan. Hats off to Nico asking the hard question to Zak's face before AND after the race. I haven't thought about the contracts could be playing at McLaren. Good point there.
For the newer fans, WCC is greater than WDC, always. Zach wants to beat Christian no matter what, and both McLarens finished ahead of both Redbulls. If McLaren wins the WCC and Max wins the WDC, Zach will be the happiest fucker on the planet.
God I love Nico in the commentator box. I love Brundle but was sad when it wasn’t Nico in the Quali or Race commentating. He’s so funny and open. Just threw out the Alpine selling thing and blatantly says how much they’re worth and he probably could buy the team. Just great. If someone told me he’s actually Jesus I’d probably say, I can see it.
Genuine question: why would McLaren care if Lando won the WC or not as long as they win the Constructors? Nobody calls Max 3 time Red Bull Champion, they call him 3 time world champion. What tangible benefit is there for a team to have their driver win a WC besides bragging rights?
The British media is going to get into Lando head so much, Oscar must be laughing his arse off. Currently the Bristish media is making out that Oscar is faster and needs to move over for Lando.
The only thing I wish F1 would take from nascar is making teams an after thought. During one of those races I can barely tell who’s on whose team. If F1 had unique liveries, maybe people would be more receptive to teammates actually racing each other instead of hampering team orders as an essential part of strategy. Let them race, tally your team points at the end, move on to the next race.
Next guest on the pod Nico Rosberg
OMG YESSS
YES
PLEASE?!?
You gotta get your facts straight and be able to hold your own when going in a verbal combat with Nico Rosberg. Some say “interview”, but he can get real debate-y.
But I do love Nico Rosberg 😂
Especially his own flashback editing on his Sim Drive for the Barcelona track 🤣🤣
Charles official nickname in Italy is “Il Predestinato”, he is “the predestined”, the chosen one.
His blood runs Rosso Corsa, he’s not going anywhere 😂
Never knew this and love that!
Gay
@@Rsutherland07 Il Predestinato!
Couldn’t agree more with the recency bias here. If Lando loses the WDC by a few points, his fans will turn to this race and Hungary as the reason he lost and not instances like Imola, Spain, Austria, and Silverstone. They’d rather blame someone else than recognize their idol couldn’t capitalize in important moments.
FACTS. he has made way too many mistakes this year but they just want to blame someone else
Why not both?
Every race and every point matters, but they won't see it.
Imola is really hard to pass. Austria, Max kept moving under breaking. Silverstone McLaren dropped the ball with strategy. If lando loses the WDC by less than 7 points everybody is going to look at hungary because giving Oscar a race win when he isn't in contention for the WDC was very stupid.
@@houzeroze On pure math Oscar has a better chance at WDC P2 than Lando does at actually winning it
“Papaya Rules”
When I heard that, my eyes rolled into the back of my head harder than Robert Downey Jr
Robert Downey Jr. rolled into the back of your head?? 😂
Bring back Ron Dennis McLaren grey
I never heard so many dikkheads whining about not seeing team orders. Everyone hates team orders . Cept now. Cause lando is sooooo cute
I honestly dont understand why you keep saying Leclerc was fumbling in 2022 when the only race he fumbled was the French GP, the rest was all either Ferrari clown strategies or the car breaking down (Spanish GP/ Baku). If Lando was doing as well as Leclerc in 2022 , he would already be about to overtake Max in the championship.
What lando fans need to learn is when max won his first title when Lewis won his, guess what they did? They went out and took it they beat everyone. Lando fans wants it handed to lando. If lando wants to be champion he has to go and take it not have it handed to him
I agree with you. Lando has to become ruthless and he doesn't have it in him.
Simple why oscar did not let lando pass in the end: in 5 years time nobody will look at the results and say "ah this was the time Piastri was faster then norris but he let him by for the championchip to win" what they will see is "Norris was better then Piastri" and thats not an outcome any driver would want.
The team never told him to though. Why should he be the one making that decision?
Sure this could be the point that Ferrari snaps away the constructors and Verstappen wins the drivers championship.
@@steffighter144 like in 2007 but not the DC this time haha. Would be funny after all
Oscar did not ruin George's race. He moved over cleanly and George miscalculated and lost control of his car. George then went on to collide with Checo at turn 4 and break his front wing. Two mistakes from George are what ruined his race.
How dare Oscar be a race car driver, what was he thinking !
Mclaren putting Lando on used soft tyres on the final pit stop at Silverstone, when he had brand new mediums cost Lando more points than any situation where Oscar benefited from team orders.
That's why I hate the narrative of "if Lando loses by X points, it's because of Oscar" - like no? There's many opportunities where Lando could've gained points and he didn't either by his or the team's error. It's not like Lando's WDC hopes should be resting solely on the shoulders of Oscar.
@@user-wu1uk8ce9k We have to be honest. McLaren is still making a mistake by not trying to get him absolutely every single point possible. Redbull will sacrifice Perez at the drop of a hat to maximise the points for Max. If McLaren wants Lando to win it they should be doing the same. I understand not being willing to take Oscar's first win but yesterday, was 2nd REALLY that valuable to Oscar compared to Lando catching Max?
@@SinisterMike My point is that there's a lot of blaming Oscar going around (not saying you, just in general) when really McLaren are the ones fumbling this by continuing to make strategic errors both on track and with not prioritizing Lando, if the WDC is their goal. It's not really Oscar's fault, though a lot of people will say it is.
It is Oscar's fault in this race. This move could have Lando lose much more points. It's a wonder he finished P3. It will be a crash at some point.
@@steffighter144 Sure, but Lando also left the door open for him which was an error on him. Every driver would go for a gap if they see one, and if Oscar hasn't been specifically instructed to not do that vs. Lando then that's also an error on the team. That's the point I'm making
The speed i rush to their videos with, despite me not agreeing with most of their opinions. They are very entertaining
Must be a bro thing😂😂😂😂
I'm not a big fan of Max, not a big fan of lando, but I would still want to see a new champion, and McLaren and Lando are fumbling this big time, but the worst part is or maybe I should say the funniest part is looking at these British presenters losing their mind because finally a white British driver has a chance to win a championship and they can see it's slipping away.
Pretty sure they consider Lando about as black as they consider Hamilton.
LOL! The British bias is insane. I watch the SkyF1 feed and for the commentators having to say something nice about Leclerc was so funny. Love to hear them struggle to compliment Ferrari and their strategy. They desperately want Lando to win it but Lando has to do it himself. If they piss off Lando enough, then I see Lando bouncing to Red Bull when Max leaves as you guys have said
oscar did not ruin anybodys race. george ruined his own then again with checo and lando shouldve defended EVERY corner and not leave the door open for charles its called racing he was caught napping.
Lando tries to cut Oscar off every start and everyone wonders why Oscar shows no fu..s to overtake him
Yes, but he always gives Oscar enough room. If he was TRULY aggressive, he would push him onto the grass like he did to Max in Spain.
I hope Lando takes this as a lesson. He rarely fought Oscar hard (only times I can remember are Hungary '23, and Monza '23, when he got the undercut on Oscar). He needs to fight Piastri as hard as he fought Max in Austria. There's no Teamwork at McLaren anymore.
Guys, I 100% believe Mark Webber had something put into Oscar's contract to protect Osc from the bullshit that Mark had to deal with!!!! It's the only thing that makes sense at this point. It's not the fault of Oscar if Lando can't keep a lead from pole for an entire lap. Also LOL @ Nico asking questions to the boys about racing each other and trying to bring about Nico/Lewis rivalty 2.0
Nico was definitely stirring there like an interfering old gossip trying to get bad blood and taki g sides going. Quite an insight into Nico's character and motivation .
Commentators being mad at the McLarens racing each other was weird. They're attacking McLaren for not using team orders, as if that would have made the race better. Out of touch, honestly.
Watching Chuck win is always a moment that becomes special. He puts so much passion into it. Like all the great Chucks before him.
Lando needs to grow a set, Oscar seems to have something Lando may never have...
Balls of steel
Yep. You either have it, or you don't. Lando doesn't have it. Or if he does he better bring it from this point forward.
Did Netflix come up with the term Papaya Rules? Hey guys, we need a catch phrase for next season of drive to survive. 😂
omg 'Papaya Rules' is 100% an episode title in the next series
@@thepurplesunlightI was just about to type this. It 100% will be an episode title 😅😅😅
I love this podcast because it sounds like two Rocket Powered Mohawks are talking to each other 😂
I’m waiting for RPM to do a video on this coz he’s absolute gold. 😂
comparing lando bottlling every race with the fastest car to leclerc getting fucked by ferrari every other week in 2022 is nasty work
I remember the Piquet vs Prost battle in 1983, with Piquet winning with 1 point difference, and also the 2004 battle between Schumacher and Barrichello, with Schumacher winning the championship with 1 point difference. Oh and Hamilton and Massa, in 2008😂 It will be so funny if we will see another final race like this in Abu Dhabi!
Piquet... Such a underrated champion. The man is a legend!
@@thiagomclima2004 Yes indeed!
McLaren is crazy. Papaya rules should be no shenanigans on lap 1. They locked out the front row, they should work together to keep it at least. Sure let them race, but after securing the bag.
I couldn’t wait for this episode to come out!! Thoroughly enjoyed it!!
I’m going straight to Nico Rosberg IG to beg him to come for an interview
You guys need to understand something that’s no such thing as a number one driver if Zac decide that lando is number one and Oscar is number two Oscar is out the door because he is the new Alonso boy don’t settle for second place and to me (a lando fan) Oscar is right if lando wants that WDC he better BE THE BEST DRIVER Oscar don’t need to just let him pass and win he want he better get it he has all the potencial and the car he just need to put his shit together I love lando will all my hard but he need to be the full package I defend Oscar for being a savage and Charles deserves the win he is the king of Italy he is the prince of Ferrari he look the pit wall in the face and say fuc* you and win just like George did and this is being a f1 driver to me
wow a sane lando fan exists?
If McLaren would be pulling team orders to favor Lando everyone will be hating them for it. It's a lose-lose situation. So I much prefer that they are letting them race.
And I totally agree that Lando doesn't deserve the WDC this year as much as Max does. Doing the best is one thing, but the attitude "not desperate / not gonna beg for a pass" to me means his pride (winning with just his own merit) is more important to him than winning the WDC ASAP at all cost. Max is doing EVERYTHING to win another WDC; ANOTHER WDC (yes, he still wants another one and wants to win every single damn race unlike how Lando unenthusiastically celebrated his 2nd career win last weekend.) I don't want to see someone win the WDC who wouldn't put their everything into it. Rather see Oscar or other drivers fight neck to neck with Max
Lando killed Oscar’s desire to help him because of his antics in Hungary. Lando was only in front because Oscar was left out twice while Lando was pitted first. If Oscar had been given the favourable strategy he would have been 10 seconds down the road.
Even Oscar said Sainz slowed him down (1.5 seconds which ruined his chance to get back into the optimal slipstream window)
i’ve been waiting the whole morning for this
Me too! I couldn’t wait for this episode 😂
Am I the only argentinian fan of you guys? I'm watching this right now, I hope you talked at least some words about Franco Colapinto :) Either way, love your podcasts!
6:10 I'm convinced these two follow rocketpoweredmohawk
43:06 can’t compare Yuki with Carlos. Carlos has had an amazing career after he left Redbull always going under the radar performances. Sainz has had some bad luck (Russell taking him out 2022 US GP) and some other races. Lewis deserves the Ferrari seat for sure and Charles deserves it too. Just missed opportunity for Mercedes to take Carlos and giving the shoot to Kimi
About the comparative between Sainz and Goldens Boys, I have to agree with the Sainz fan's comment. I kinda related to it. That's why I like Nelson Piquet. Talented, but not a force of nature like Senna, strategist, but not boring like Prost (he is a legend, though) and cunning and brave in his way. If you see, Piquet didn't have family support and started late in autoracing. With that background, Piquet (like Fittipaldi) should be more praised by fans, specially brazilians who only remember Senna.
Positivity is nice, but my god do I THRIVE off negativity
I love your analysis. The summary video to look forward to after any race for sure.
Those who remembers Leclerc's year in the Alpha (Sauber) knows shy he's at Ferrari. To my recollection you guys don't go that long back in F1 - if you have time, try and see some of the races from that year with him - talk about a guy who stood out in a slower car.
33:28 re: hamilton to ferrari & charles golden boy status. The mechanics yesterday were chanting “c’è solo un capitano” (there’s only one captain) maybe i’m reading too much on just an ole football chant but love to speculate
What are you saying?
Right now at this moment in time, I am unconvinced that Lando *deserves* to win this 2024 WDC. Kimi’s ‘07 win was deserved because of his consistency at the top, even with a car that lacked pace.
It was just the McLaren mess that year with rookie Lewis’ end of season mistakes that caused them to lose.
Which btw, is a totally different McLaren situation compared to today’s McLaren team problems. That was still the Ron Dennis days HOWEVER, I’ve never understood why THEY let themselves have two number 1’s also.
Like why didn’t they tell Lewis, a rookie, to be a good teammate and support reigning champion Fernando who’s leading.
Like derrr…
At the time they looked and said,
“Well, since we’re the fastest and we have no competition, let’s let them race.”
Sure enough they let them race for the best man to win and fucking LOST.
Totally their own fault.
So yeah, Kimi won those last races and the championship so I disagree, he did deserve it.
This intro is unhinged and I LIVE for it!
I'm a Brit and I've nothing against Oscar. Lando is marginally quicker atm, but Oscar is the better racer.
As soon as Oscar nails qualifying he'll become the no. 1 no. 1.
Charles' one-stop performance was almost a carbon copy of what George did at Spa, only without the DSQ, and with quite a few other teams pulling it off as well.
Nico Rosberg drove with the only two 7x WDCs and beat them both, one of them to a title of his own. Awesome performance.
I love that my takeaway from this is that Oscar does not trust McLaren
Lando is the one who shouldn't trust the team or Oscar. Neither of them seem to want to help him win the drivers championship and he should remember that the next time they want him to give up a win for Oscar
@@Nismo331since when was a WDC 'helped' to win. That is considered race fixing a d is unsportsmanlike. You must be new to F1 racing. Its not likebplay school.where all kids get prizes even for coming last in the sack race or egg a d spoon so they dont feel left out.
@@GrizeldaOConnorBottas helped Hamilton. Perez helped Verstappen. Barricello helped Schumacher. Mark Webber helped Vettel.
Piastri is afraid to become number 2 like his manager was. I hope Norris sees this and next time does not leave the extra space.
@@GrizeldaOConnor like it or not it's a team sport. You can take points off each other and let Max and Redbull win or work together and win both championships Oscar has no chance but Lando does.
That was not on my bingo card but exactly this.
I was waiting on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt's prayer story is so nostalgic Jewish day school vibes and im obsessed
Love you guys! You guys make me feel like I've got someone to talk F1 with.
McLaren need to be ruthless. Oscar is mathematically in the Championship, but it’s beyond unlikely! He’s 106 points behind with 8 rounds to go.
Norris has a genuine chance at a Drivers Championship after 16 rounds. It’s the business end of the Season. They need to maximise Lando’s points.
So much for “you’re going to need Oscar”…. They’ve cost Lando 10 points now!
Thats 10 gifted points. He didn't earn them. Thats not racing.
Sainz held back Piastri for like 1.5 lap. So that might have won Leclerc the race.
Seriously!! So that lap and a half was the reason Charles won! He literally put the least defending ive ever seen from him cause he usually defends very well but this time he didnt want to, so they can catch Charles.
you are completely discrediting Charles from this magnificent performance to make it look like Carlos sacrificed his race for Charles to win, and you - his fans - always try to find a way to make it look like that cause you guys deep down know that the 3 wins Carlos had was at cost of Charles being sabotaged by the team or sacrificed for Sainz to win and you are trying to use this weird mind games to feel better.
@@mennaselim9865 🤫
yea that and stroll being a backmarker
@@Tintinh6785Stroll held up Oscar who was gaining 2 sec per lap on Charles. He only had 11 laps to catch him after his very late pitstop. He should have gamble on a one stop and taken his chances on tires holding up.
@@GrizeldaOConnor at the start he was going for 1 stop. As the pit wall decided 2 stop was best he used up his tyres doing fast laps before pitting so lando did not undercut him. Ferrari took a gamble and it paid out well for them they had much more tyre left as leclerc wasn’t pushing hard.
That’s bullshit mate. Oscar didn’t ruin Lando or George’s race. He didn’t make contact with either of them. He outdrove both of them coz he’s a three time consecutive junior world champion. You don’t do that without balls of steel and a tonne of talent.
Lando turned into such an unlikable PUNK this year
this podcast has become an hour and a half of you guys talking over eachother.
It's becoming a little hard to watch. They need to tone it down.
yes
I was WAITING WAITING for this😂
Has anyone noticed how much one of the hosts of this show looks like Biff from 'Back to the future?'
Please invite davide valsecchi to the podcast, it would be amazing. Forza Ferrari sempre!!
its so weird to me that oscar has been fucked over by the mclaren strategy (so has lando but i feel like oscars ones have been worse) but now as soon as oscar decides to do his own thing its as if mclaren have been babying him and looking after him this whole time?? which is just not true. Look at silverstone or Hungary
Hoping Piastri get's pole in Baku..let's see if he can keep the lead..
Gretchen, stop trying to make "Papaya Rules" happen. It's not going to happen!
thank god for Rosberg and Will Buxton 😂
“It’s hard to be a Lando fan” - As a Lando Fan I second that notion
Make Papaya 'Multi 21' merch
Wil Buxton completely lost him marbles…
All his missing is an elephant gun with that outfit
43:55 I think Charles gets a bad rap because he's from Monaco. People just have a predetermined idea of what his life was like.
i WAIT for these episodes, yall are super entertaining
100% the f1 TV gasbags who said that mclaren should be biased to lando.. no he needs to prove to be the best, then talk. statistically possible is not the same as realistically possible.
I mean sure, but both of them are statistically possible of winning the championship. Only Lando has a realistically possible chance of winning it, which is why they think they should prioritize Norris.
Guys, I needed a cold shower at 1:18. We all have visions of Leclerc talking Italian all night. 🤣🤣
I knew Charles would win the second he overtook Lando on Lap 1. I knew he would do anything to win once P1 was in front of him.
YES charles!
I sincerely hope you saw the clip of Max Fewtrell saying "papaya rules" to lando while they were gaming the other day lol
If you guys want to hear peak Davide Valsecchi you need to go find the video of Leclerc's F2 race in Bahrain - it is a legendary drive (for good reason) and gets posted about by F2 socials every season when the Bahrain races happen :)
The fiercest rivalry in cricket is Australia vs England just saying
Please make a “Free KMag” tshirt😂😂😂
From what’s been bandied around, it seems like maybe there’s a cultural difference between an American take on team orders and what the Brits are spewing. Don’t get me wrong - I’m a huge anglophile, but all this “McLaren aren’t being ruthless enough and they need to help Lando win the championship with team orders” while talking out the other side of their face that F1 is a meritocracy … like how does that even square? Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, including you guys (thank goodness I watched your podcast today because I kept vomiting in my mouth at having to hear every other podcast call for team orders - all British) - it’s like how tf are you proving to yourself and the world that you’re the best if you need your team to tell your teammate to move aside for you ?!? If you are the best and deserve to be WDC, then take care of the business yourself - don’t expect someone to fall on their sword for you. Because then winning that title is a JOKE.
Yes, NICO ROSBERG or Red Flags sucks! 😅 Seriously, this is a great suggestion. You guys would clash SO bad! And I know you have the balls to do it!
I honestly think most of Lando's fans are young chicks, which explains the vitriol. It doesn't explain Team LH fans though which do share some similarities so try to figure that one out.
1:08:49 Italians only know art. When they build a car, they aim to make the finest car in the world. They want to make the best food in the world. Historian John Keegan cites this as a factor in their loss in WW2 - industrial capacity, being able to produce weapons of war at a greater pace than attrition, largely won the war for the Allies. Italy only knew how to produce masterpieces, e.g., they built incredible planes during the war but were so focused on making the best planes possible that they couldn’t come anywhere close to keeping up with losses.
It's like Lando didn't understand what, "we have two #1 drivers" means.
i need a photo drop of y'all in middle school
Lando's radio "Simply 3rd"
Lando will always be a good not great driver despite being Zac’s “son.” Same for George - legend in his own mind. Said before in F2 Lewis, Max, Oscar all obviously showed true greatness. McLaren a hot mess without focus on getting maximum pts per race. Lewis going through the emotions w passing the torch. Still believe he can get his 8th at Ferrari 💪🏽💜 I still don’t see greatness in Kimi but will bow if he proves me wrong; he’s giving me Lando/George vibes. He might grow into a dominant car but then is he more great or the car had more to with it? Just like Lando who needs the most dominant car. Btw how’s that Karma feeling Lando after all the venom you’ve spewed against Lewis since ‘21? 🤌🏽😎 I’ll never say Max deserved that WC but Merc made so many mistakes that year it shouldn’t have come down to the last race for Lewis. BUT yes Max can and does drive the wheels off of that RB regardless of how the RB is performing. I stick by what I said since 2021 - everyone needs to watch their backs because Oscar is coming for them.
Who do I contact to report non delivery of item on The Red Flags store 1 item was missing & Ive been emailing with zero response
As a McLaren fan, it pains me how the team continuously screw themselves over and destroyed Lando's chances (if not already) of a world championship title - even Charles could overtake with points at this rate!
Imagine the prestige of winning both the constructors and drivers championship - these opportunities seldom come along and are fleeting - McLaren must get a grip on their strategies, radio communication and team orders!
Paul Ricard 2021, Max won on the last lap. Lando could never do something that epic.
I was shouting the same thing as your oepning xDDDDDD. Simply lovely, huh aged so well. I knew it would come back as karma, even if he says he didn't mean anything bad lol. I think at this point, it's harder to be a McLaren fan than a Ferrari fan. Hats off to Nico asking the hard question to Zak's face before AND after the race. I haven't thought about the contracts could be playing at McLaren. Good point there.
For the newer fans, WCC is greater than WDC, always. Zach wants to beat Christian no matter what, and both McLarens finished ahead of both Redbulls. If McLaren wins the WCC and Max wins the WDC, Zach will be the happiest fucker on the planet.
Is past tense for "brake" not "braked"? Not "broke" ....Matt. 😅
😂😂
God I love Nico in the commentator box. I love Brundle but was sad when it wasn’t Nico in the Quali or Race commentating. He’s so funny and open. Just threw out the Alpine selling thing and blatantly says how much they’re worth and he probably could buy the team. Just great. If someone told me he’s actually Jesus I’d probably say, I can see it.
Why do people think Charles came from nothing? He may not have come from filthy rich fam but his family has money
Hamilton in is “Logan era” had me Rolling with laughter 😂😂😂
if anyone learned anything this season its to get some sore loser retired driver as your manager and you’ll be set for your career
Matt and Brian! Quality as always!
O’DOYLE (not Lando) RULES!!
shoutout quadrant 😂
Genuine question: why would McLaren care if Lando won the WC or not as long as they win the Constructors? Nobody calls Max 3 time Red Bull Champion, they call him 3 time world champion. What tangible benefit is there for a team to have their driver win a WC besides bragging rights?
Thoughts on Danny Ric's race?! Not serving the penalty properly.
The British media is going to get into Lando head so much, Oscar must be laughing his arse off. Currently the Bristish media is making out that Oscar is faster and needs to move over for Lando.
That was my comment about Sainz 😮😅 ❤
It was so well put!🫶 I mean all the time he spend with engineers, he’s so great🙂↕️🙂↕️
When did it hit me as a Ferrari fan? Turn 11 man I was SCARED
Question: Whaaaaaat are mclaren doing???
Answer:
not breaching oscars contract.
If Leclerc grew up without money, what is to expect for the rest of the world 🤣🤣🤣
The only thing I wish F1 would take from nascar is making teams an after thought. During one of those races I can barely tell who’s on whose team. If F1 had unique liveries, maybe people would be more receptive to teammates actually racing each other instead of hampering team orders as an essential part of strategy. Let them race, tally your team points at the end, move on to the next race.
The amount of ads in this podcast