Lando has single handedly dispelled the mantra "Hamilton only wins because of the car" UPDATE: Lando only wins 2 championships in the Mercedes from 2014-2020.
There's a difference between the fastest by a tenth or two from session to session Vs 1 second faster than the rest of the field and the team keeping the engine detuned. Lando is culpable for some of the bad starts though. Some of them appear to be the way McLaren set up the car. But it doesn't explain why he's not gained any places on starts.
@@Visual_GhoulLewis won 2017 and 2018 against Ferrari despite not leading the championship for the most of year and having a slower car than Vettel lando is failing to do that
@@Visual_Ghoul Oscar is the best starter on the grid right now, with the same car as Lando. Lando has had poor starts even as from his F2, F3 and Formula Euro days. It's not car setup, it's just him, he needs to work on it.
I think Hamilton has been brought in to help Leclerc reach the next level. Hamilton will be a good addition but Leclerc & his pace will be tough to beat.
Now I am not a LH fanatic, but I see this situation the same as McLaren current lineup. Two drivers allowed to race each other. I don’t think LH joined with the idea of help Leclerc… It will be a great thing to follow next year.
Lando is a good driver but he has not shown that he can comprehensively stamp his authority is a team. Piastri is extremely close in performance and will only get better.
So right 🤔 i saw nothing wrong with the last race mathematically Oscar has the same chance but however the opinion is to support the driver who is closest to the champion. The up coming two race should clearly reveal who should be supported🤔
Nah. Leclerc will be fine. Warrior. And he'll have even less concern for other drivers after wrestling w/ one of the GOATs for a season. He already off'd Seb. Pressure is a privilege!!
@@eveningstar1 Peter talked about Ferrari+Hamilton brand potential in the past and how much money that will they make. Here, he's talking from drivers only perspective, only about results. Context matters. You can see (hear) this while talking about Newey, Aston Martin, and Aramco.
If Aston Martin are a kit car, what are Red Bull? One of the reasons I love your chats with Peter are that occasionally he spouts such utter nonsense it takes my breath away 😂
Your signing Lewis for more then just what he brings behind the wheel, Ferrari want the image and likeness of LH for the rest of time. Mercedes didn’t want to use Lewis for anything more then his driving. If Ferrari just wanted a driver they would’ve stuck with Sainz.
@@robinfoster7597 Ferrari isn’t hiring Lewis for his driving abilities alone. If you think they are then good on you. My comment isn’t to belittle Lewis it’s just a simple fact this is how things operate.
@@underSTATEDexcellenceMost of what you say is true, its your "if they just wanted a driver they would have stuck with Sainz" that's nonsense. But they wouldn't have paid what they are paying for just driving ability, that's true.
Ferari has always been a business team as well as race team....They have Prancing Horse Brands which has stood the test of time for a reason their brand is much more closely aligned with HAM
Mercedes doesn't need Newey , mercedes won 7 official championship with Newey working for red bull ,what nonsense talk is these guys talking about. McLaren made championship cars with Newey working for other team. Newey is not the only competent car designer in the sport. Peter just like the guy and pump is stock all day. Austin won't win anything with Newey design and terrible drivers.
To the contrary, I think Lewis will help build a better car but that will benefit Charles because I think Charles is slightly faster driver. Undoubtedly Lewis is more consistent though
How can you not see Ferrari as a luxury brand? Of course it is! F1 is about marketing your product, whether it's a car or an energy drink. The whole thing is about making money for the brand.
Actually Ferrari is in F1 just pure for the race. The whole reason they started making cars to sell was in order to be able to keep competing in racing.
@@soundculture272 Originally. Now though branding and marketing is a big deal. If F1 fell off these days, chances are they'd leave, because its too expensive to stay with little RoI.
If you ask me AN going Aston is his love for the brand and it’s heritage, not the money. It’s sad and disrespectful calling it a sellout. You don’t have to like the Strulovitch but in the end it’s them who saved this team/brand and you can only respect that.
> "He's left Red Bull for the money". Is Peter sure about that? Not the atmosphere? Not the loss of control of technical development? I suspect money isn't what motivates him these days - he has more than he needs.
@@alessandro88-g9h Ferrari have more money than Aston. They can offer way more than Aston could even dream of. He didn't go there because it would be more of the same as he got with Red Bull in the end. He wanted a stake in a team with real potential and goals and he wanted to have more influence and control, that's what Aston offers, that's what made the difference. Williams is where I'd have hoped he'd go but they have no resources and they don't even own Williams AE anymore, so extra curricular activities with that team is a nonstarter.
25:40 what a great outlook on the core nature of Ferrari. There is/was an organic and industrious passion at the core of most high-quality brands, Rolex included. The luxury element often overshadows this.
Also Cameron, in regards to Norris’s racing “form” etc, this isn’t new for Lando. When you look at his 2018 F2 season, it’s almost a complete copy of that season. Has the best car (Carlin/McLaren), but miles behind the championship leader (George/Max) with drivers with more impressive drivers right behind him in the championship (Leclerc & Piastri/Albon).
I would switch out Albon for Piastri in this case (also looking to people who potentially still could win the championship if Max has 8 dnf’s and Lando bottles it). But you make a very good point with your comment
I may be alone in this statement, but I cannot wait to see the neon green 44 on the red car. I cannot wait. And I really do not even care about the results. I want Carlos, Lewis and Max to thrive to their talents potential
Thank you Peter I completely agree with you in regards to Newey and you are the only pundit that seems to cut through the BS and just tell the truth. That's why you are the goat in my opinion.
Newey distasteful? regardless of who is paying the bills at aston, its still a race team. no difference in the corprate pencil pushers that are behind the scenes at mercedes or the politics at ferrari. saying that newey "sold out" for money is ridiculous. aston are the only team that would allow him to stamp his name on the team, with state of the art facilities. ferrari or mercedes arent going to let him do that. it would just be the same downplay of his importance that hes been getting at redbull for 2 years
On the LH to Ferrari move, the debate that you ‘want him but don’t need him’: The way I look at it: teams that have 2 no.1 drivers aim primarily for WCC. Teams that have a clear no.1 and no.2 driver aim primarily for WDC. Both of them hope that the other championship just follows automatically.
Sorry going to have to disagree with the comments about Ricciardo. I remember them signing him with the intention of him showing his race winning form of yesteryear. He was initially underwhelming and later on lost them 4th place in 2022 - wasn't good enough. 2021: NOR 160 (P6), RIC 115 (P8) Mclaren 4th, 48.5 points from Ferrari in 3rd. 2022: 122 (P7), RIC 37 (P11), Mclaren 5th, lost 4th place constructors to Alpine by 14 points. 2023: NOR 205 (P6) to PIA (97) (P9) Mclaren kept 4th place ahead of Aston Martin by 22 points. 2024: NOR 241 (P2) to PIA 197 (P4) Mclaren 8 points from P1 and catching Red Bull fast. What Mclaren need is strong management, as had been said before.
Love it when you invite Peter. He has fantastic insights when asked (managed) to the right questions. McLaren changes the rules too late, McLaren hires Oscar when it should have kept Riccarido, Ferrari did not need Hamilton, Newey goes to stroll environment - must be money, .... these are powerful insights. It would be great if Lando (or Leclare or Sainz) could hire Peter as his coach.
Personally I don't believe Lewis cares anymore about no.8. He's just building up his legacy with memorable performances, whether that results in wins or not. So, I think he will be honest with Charles and won't have many intense Nico moments.
Why. Obviously he wants №8, whoul wouldn't but realistically. He doesn't have the time or the form on his side to make it happen, so realistically his focus will shift.
12:30 ?? C'mom Peter... Maybe he wants a new challenge. Also the heritage of Aston Martin is thoroughly British. Maybe he likes the idea of putting them on top of F1.
Peter is a part of the clique that don’t respect Toto and stems from nothing more than bitternesses. Why should we look into why Mercedes didn’t go for Adrian anymore than Ferrari or McLaren? Why pick on Mercedes 🙄. They have seen success without him!!!! Adrian should be desired by those who haven’t had success in more than a decade. So it’s fine McLaren doesn’t need Adrian, it’s fine for Fred to say no but oh no, not Toto. 😂😂😂😂be for real, you turning green😂
No sports psychologist or media strategy is saving Lando. He just isn’t that good, despite his pace being there. Still an excellent driver, but when you’re expecting him to drive like Max, it’s always going to be a colossal disappointment.
True. Max, Lewis, Fernando, and in my opinion Charles too on his best days, are just on another level. Kimi Antonelli might join that list in the future.
@@reboot1337 That’s why I said “on his best days”. Charles doesn’t have the consistency the other three (especially Max and Lewis this season) have, but he’s certainly up there. If Max, Lewis, and Fernando are A+ tier drivers, then Charles is an A tier driver, and Lando a B tier driver…
The simple thing is Cameron. Is people seemingly want Norris to get the same type of treatment/preference that Lewis got at his peak with Mercedes. But the fact is that Norris isn’t Hamilton. And Piastri’s too good to be Bottas. Or to put it another way, even if Bottas was slightly ahead of Hamilton at the halfway point of a season for one reason or another, while Merc were in a championship battle. Merc probably still wouldn’t prioritise Bottas. As they probably still be holding back incase Lewis could do far better. And the same is likely true with Lando and Oscar.
What are you on about, Bottas in 2015 was being hailed as better than Rosberg when Lewis was destroying him. You seems to forget that Bottas was signed on equal footing. But of course it you, always finding ways to downplay Lewis.
As for team orders, it happened 4 times in 5 years, that's 100 races. One was returned immediately and another two was pointless, because Lewis was already overtaking him. Every other case of team orders have been far worse than that but go on.
@@Don-Royall I’m not “downplaying Lewis”. 😂 I’ve just said that Norris isn’t good enough to deserve any preference that Lewis got with team orders etc. 😂
@@gameofender4463 Nope, you could have ended it in your first paragraph if that's what you meant. You gave a scenario that is filled with untruth in it. Toto could careless about Lewis, it was Lauda that was visibly mad about Lewis given back the first ever team order, that would be the first out of 4. Toto has categorically stated that Bottas is allowed to race Lewis, Bottas is incredibly fast but inconsistent. The idea that Lewis has somehow benefitted from team orders is the biggest lie in F1, please go and check their point separation in there five years together.
What's wrong in working for Aston Martin? Legendary 100 years old British company? Seems like a good place for a legendary British designer. And we don't really know if it's just about the money. (And even if it was, I don't think there is anything wrong with that either...) But Newey has said before that he doesn't want to move to Italy. And maybe AM gave him more power/freer hands than what Ferrari did... etc..
Thanks again for the podcast. One thing: if Newey fall under the costcap exception of the 3 highest salaries it still has budget impact. Because whoever was within the 3 man exception before Newey and now isn’t weighs on the costcap budget.
if the media are right (they often arnt, but for the sakes of argument) we have never seen Newey given the kind of authority he will have at AM - it could be a disaster, they could be wcc ... or anything in between
Thanks for having Mr Windsor ! I have a feeling you're torturing him with your long endings ! He never has a chance to say goodbye or thanks for having me !
I noticed that Peter dodged, in a way, the point I raised that you then raised. If the brake fiddle rule refinement stuffed RB, where was Adrian Newey's magic aero advantage. I still want a better answer to that question. Not just that they have hit a wall.
Idk how Peter can say Newey is selling out to the Strolls? Aston Martin is an absolutely legendary brand. Newey will have access to a brand new state of the art facility. And he will be working with many great people including 1 Fernando Alonso which Newey has said he always wanted to work with. Imo this is a great move for Newey and hopefully he will have his hand in designing a few road cars as well!
Mr. Windsor on one hand says that the amount of $ A-M is paying Mr. Newey is internet fodder yet states that whatever anyone pays him he's being underpaid and also it's sad that Mr. Newey took the job with A-M for the $, I've always heard that Mr. Newey wanted to work with either Hamilton or Alonso, Ferrari said no A-M said yes, so I don't get the reference that he's doing it for the $, Stroll is giving him the control and power that Ferrari refused to give him plus he's working with Alonso both those points have nothing to do with $!
I think I remember Peter definitely thought Adrian was impacted by the controversy back then at Red Bull. I am actually surprised at Peters current assessment on Adrian. Although I think it is correct.
RE red bull - why is MClaren and Ferraris ceiling higher than Red Bulls - that dosnt ring true to me. Red bull claimed the RB20 was an aggressive departure from its predecessor because they thought the ceiling of the 19 was too close. Meanwhile, the red Fs and the orange Ms seem to have more head height left
I don’t think Lewis is going to be able to qualify better than Charles. George has demonstrated that. Charles is not the one to worry, Lewis should be worried.
Peter can be so wonderfully transparent:-) Like he is now trying to criticize Adrian's choice because he clearly did not choose Ferrari. How Peter also keeps Ferrari completely out of Adrian's choice is so funny....because in fact that is the only question that is pressing on Peter and which he is very disappointed in because it hurts Lewis's chances of ever winning an 8th world title:-) And of course the arrival of Lewis is a terrible thing for Charles, I have already said and explained that! Adrian will never have had the ambition to work with a character like Lewis, they are so different! A Max or Alonso are much more his kind of guys.
Peter saying if riccardo was still at McLaren things would be going better for lando is tomfoolery. If he somehow got back in shape with the car, he’d be wiping the floor with noriss. He’s a multiple race winner to noriss’s 2 wins in a rocketship. And this is coming from a staunch riccardo hater lol
Love you and love peter Windsor but the focus on history bothers me. Why is it better for Ferrari to win than Aston? They did thr work, they did the commitment.....
This is the problem; F1 teams are allowed to have their three top earner outside the cost cap. Their should be no such excemptions and everything would be better "self adjusted". => Give Adrian an outstanding salary BUT at the cost of reductions in other segments from the teams budget.
If £150 mill is cheap and no one else is willing to pay then how is it selling out? Its a team outside the top 4 so its not too different to when he joined red bull who were just considered a drinks company at the time.
No way Hamilton gonna destroy Leclerc next year and Fred know this Leclerc is not a leader no Ferrari driver has ever beaten a champion teammate to the title
George has embarassed himself mostly. Doing stupid stunts just to get ahead of Lewis. Usally backfires. Expecting better from Charles. He like fair hard racing.
Well I think Peter's summary on the McLaren situation is spot on. Lando's good but so is Oscar who might end up being better. Probably doesn't suit SM tribalism. Gotta be a villain. Gotta be a hero. Stand down fanbois.
If McLaren (Brown and Stella) decide to institute more structure to McLaren's racing approach strategy (i.e. "papaya rules"...get it, but no longer practical) I don't believe it necessarily means giving Lando help, nor handicapping Oscar. For instance, setting-up team orders where Oscar does not need to help Lando, but nor should Oscar hurt the team or Lando (and vise-versa on this). Specifically, Oscar's move (while brilliant) going into Variante did negatively disrupt the overall team effort (specifically the team lost the 1/2 and he didn't account for Charles patiently waiting for the opportunity to pounce). Not Oscar's fault in that his guidance was "very broad" for race actions. McLaren leadership should support Lando's Drivers Championship opportunity in the regard of having Oscar refrain from an attack via an occasional "hold position" or unless it is clear that Lando's performance isn't going to get it done. On another note, Nico Rosberg's advise to Lando is sage. Lando should get a sports psychologist, so he can better cognitively streamline for high-level confidence, learn how to "sh!t sandwich" (positive-negative-positive) his performance if necessary (like media interactions) and remember he is one of the 20 (give or take a couple) men who get to drive a machine specifically designed to maximize speed/efficiency, averaging around 200mph, travel around the world...getting paid very handsomely...Lando you are so winning and that should help you maintain that "glass half FULL" mindset! Cameron another great discussion with you and Peter...keep the content flowing
The same way Mercedes made Lewis's life difficult by signing George. So goes F1. But the good news for Charles is that Lewis will be 40 in 2025 and his remaining time in F1 is very limited
I need a pundit to explain how AM can fit so much talent under the spending cap. I don't see how it is possible they have that many heavy hitters and are still under the cap, it makes no sense.
My knowledge doesn't go far either, but I think Newey is outside the costcap and has shares in AM. Lance has only 2M. That bit with Adrian Newey already saves a lot of costs. I hope I understood it correctly. 🤞🏼😁
It seems to me that once you say that Red Bull have reached the chassis limit and that Maclaren have caught them and are indeed quicker, it would make great sense to consider the engines. My guess is that the Mercedes engine is stronger than the Red Bull Honda.
I don’t understand all this bullshit around McLaren team orders. McLaren only need to implement when they have the space to their opposition to do so. If both Lando and Oscar are close together in a pack with others, they simply leave them alone and let them do what they do every race. It is only when they are close and Lando is fighting for the win.
I think Adrian and Waché and Balbo weren’t on the same line anymore. Adrian wanted a more conservative approach on the updates on the RB20 while Waché en Balbo had a believe that they want to bring a complete revolution to destroy the field. On hindsight Adrian may have been right. But he might have felt left out because his opinion was ignored. At least that feels like a more plausible reason.
Hamilton will be good for Ferrari, which in turn will be good for Leclerc, because just his presence on the team will raise expectations to deliver a car that can compete race to race, and it will also force Leclerc to put his best out there ever race. Remember, Nico retired because the effort and pressure of competing race to race against Hamilton was unsustainable for more than that one season where he put everything into winning the championship over Hamilton. I think if Leclerc can match the effort of Nico, then he too will be competing head to head for the championship, and when he wins over Hamilton, his teammate, it will be very special to him and his career. I think it will bring out everything we as fans want to see in F1. In fact McLaren could have that same magic if they weren’t trying to out do each other and concentrated on raising the level to the point we get the best out of both drivers.
Sometimes I don't understand what Peter is trying to say. Same sentence he said Adrian likes to build teams like Leighton House and Red Bull , now he is going to Aston Martin where they are definitely struggling and a team to watch for the future that makes Adrian a sell out? So according to Peter's logic he should not go to Ferrari , Mercedes or any established teams and should go to a Williams or a Haas or Peter just salty that Adrian ain't going to his boy Lewis' team?
Whats this leclerc slander latley im suprised people instead of praising him making less mistakes and the tables he turned mid 2023 is in full effect this year hes been perfect apart from maybe austria lap 1 Lewis being terrible news isnt a real thing,i mean even if it was max there they would still sign lewis,hes just someone you must take if you can for marketing and performance...i believe they still trust in charels,its just they dont think like red bull or great f1 minds,they think one dimensionally like mclaren
A bit of emotional talk from Peter here with regard to Newey and AM. It’s a race team and they want the best Engineer. You don’t mention the reason why Newey is leaving RB? Think it may have anything to do with Horner? Good for Newey, I’m sure he negotiated out full control and autonomy and has one of the best drivers in history in Alonso over there. Would be a nice crowning achievement in delivering the Aston Martin name and Alonso a championship don’t you think?
Couple things, Ferrari would've never signed Lewis without Charles' approval. It's more about marketing, if I remember correctly Ferrari stock went up by 5-6 billions on the day they announced Lewis will drive for Ferrari
lol... it was funny but... i think Ogier was trying to get into Neuville head since Ogier said he is going fight for the championship this year after not competing in 3 of the rounds....
Toto is a venture capitalist! Among other things. Shareholders vs stakeholders. Shareholders actually own the business and therefore have a say in running it, stakeholders on the other hand think they should have a say in running the business but don’t actually have any skin in the the game.
Please don’t be a grumpy old man Peter. You are at your best talking about the sport of F1. Brilliant . Please don’t venture into areas such as finance and where you know very little. Does a Ferrari shareholder really have to know how to “heel and toe” or tune a Webber carburettor? Come on! Sadly F1 would not exist without money and lots of it. It is just the way it is.
Odd Adrian newey is joining Aston Martin. Although, Eddie Jordan is his manager and Aston Martin used to be the Jordan f1 team many years ago. I guess it makes a lot of sense if you look at it that way.
@@nikolaybonapartov7379 It's their job not to mess up, and theirs to take ownership of the mess when it happens. Playing mind games with a driver under high stakes race situation not good
In what way has Adrian Newey sold his soul? He had two regrets - that he never worked with Hamilton or Alonso. He will work with Alonso, so Cameron and Windsor are wrong on that one. Aston is a kit-car, according to PW, because it doesn’t have its own engine - neither had Red Bull or McLaren. Did Peter Windsor not work for a kit-car team?
Cameron you are a clever chap. I'd suggest maintain the unconditional stance that is Peter but let him talk more of his amazing past and relationship with Frank and Nigel plus Michael I'm sure he had chats with and the great Nicki
The statement that Max can't make the car better is bs. The reason they're moving in a better direction now because of Max complaining and telling them what's wrong with the car.
And vice versa also. Charles with debunk some myths about Lewis...as George already did. Generally I think this will be a very unfortunate pairing in purely sporting regard because tension will arise very early and will disrupt the harmony in the team. However it will be good for the marketing and we all know money is king in nowadays.
Lando has single handedly dispelled the mantra "Hamilton only wins because of the car"
UPDATE: Lando only wins 2 championships in the Mercedes from 2014-2020.
There's a difference between the fastest by a tenth or two from session to session Vs 1 second faster than the rest of the field and the team keeping the engine detuned.
Lando is culpable for some of the bad starts though. Some of them appear to be the way McLaren set up the car. But it doesn't explain why he's not gained any places on starts.
@@Visual_Ghoulwell then it’s a good thing he beat his teammate.
@@Visual_GhoulLewis won 2017 and 2018 against Ferrari despite not leading the championship for the most of year and having a slower car than Vettel lando is failing to do that
@@Visual_Ghoul Oscar is the best starter on the grid right now, with the same car as Lando. Lando has had poor starts even as from his F2, F3 and Formula Euro days. It's not car setup, it's just him, he needs to work on it.
Truth
I think Hamilton has been brought in to help Leclerc reach the next level. Hamilton will be a good addition but Leclerc & his pace will be tough to beat.
Agreed! But to see ham win a few races in red will b marvelous
Now I am not a LH fanatic, but I see this situation the same as McLaren current lineup. Two drivers allowed to race each other. I don’t think LH joined with the idea of help Leclerc…
It will be a great thing to follow next year.
Leclerc does not need Hamilton to teach him anything, IMO.
@@joelpierce3940idiot
@@joelpierce3940 Someone needs to teach him consistency.
Lando is a good driver but he has not shown that he can comprehensively stamp his authority is a team. Piastri is extremely close in performance and will only get better.
So right 🤔 i saw nothing wrong with the last race mathematically Oscar has the same chance but however the opinion is to support the driver who is closest to the champion. The up coming two race should clearly reveal who should be supported🤔
Nah. Leclerc will be fine. Warrior. And he'll have even less concern for other drivers after wrestling w/ one of the GOATs for a season. He already off'd Seb. Pressure is a privilege!!
They Need Lewis for business reasons that Peter doesn’t seem to understand- Stock, Sponsorship & Marketing that existing drivers didn’t Deliver!✅💯
Agree!
@@eveningstar1 Peter talked about Ferrari+Hamilton brand potential in the past and how much money that will they make. Here, he's talking from drivers only perspective, only about results. Context matters. You can see (hear) this while talking about Newey, Aston Martin, and Aramco.
Lewis still needs to perform somewhat or his stock will nosedive. Like the Seb fall out.
If Aston Martin are a kit car, what are Red Bull? One of the reasons I love your chats with Peter are that occasionally he spouts such utter nonsense it takes my breath away 😂
He hates stroll and will do everything to shit on them
@@harry4454 True and thats kinda lame but u can understand how people dony take them seriously.
Your signing Lewis for more then just what he brings behind the wheel, Ferrari want the image and likeness of LH for the rest of time. Mercedes didn’t want to use Lewis for anything more then his driving. If Ferrari just wanted a driver they would’ve stuck with Sainz.
Sainz in't a World Champion, let alone a 7 x World Champion. Ferrari want to tap into that Championship winning mind-set.
@@robinfoster7597 Ferrari isn’t hiring Lewis for his driving abilities alone. If you think they are then good on you. My comment isn’t to belittle Lewis it’s just a simple fact this is how things operate.
@@underSTATEDexcellenceMost of what you say is true, its your "if they just wanted a driver they would have stuck with Sainz" that's nonsense.
But they wouldn't have paid what they are paying for just driving ability, that's true.
Ferari has always been a business team as well as race team....They have Prancing Horse Brands which has stood the test of time for a reason their brand is much more closely aligned with HAM
Mercedes doesn't need Newey , mercedes won 7 official championship with Newey working for red bull ,what nonsense talk is these guys talking about. McLaren made championship cars with Newey working for other team. Newey is not the only competent car designer in the sport. Peter just like the guy and pump is stock all day. Austin won't win anything with Newey design and terrible drivers.
To the contrary, I think Lewis will help build a better car but that will benefit Charles because I think Charles is slightly faster driver. Undoubtedly Lewis is more consistent though
How can you not see Ferrari as a luxury brand? Of course it is! F1 is about marketing your product, whether it's a car or an energy drink. The whole thing is about making money for the brand.
Actually Ferrari is in F1 just pure for the race. The whole reason they started making cars to sell was in order to be able to keep competing in racing.
@@soundculture272 Originally. Now though branding and marketing is a big deal. If F1 fell off these days, chances are they'd leave, because its too expensive to stay with little RoI.
If you ask me AN going Aston is his love for the brand and it’s heritage, not the money. It’s sad and disrespectful calling it a sellout. You don’t have to like the Strulovitch but in the end it’s them who saved this team/brand and you can only respect that.
@@Iam_notamusician He doesn't like Alonso, that's why.
> "He's left Red Bull for the money".
Is Peter sure about that?
Not the atmosphere? Not the loss of control of technical development?
I suspect money isn't what motivates him these days - he has more than he needs.
@peterthomas5792 Newey will go to AM because of money, if he wanted a challenge he would sign for Ferrari or Williams
@@alessandro88-g9h Ferrari have more money than Aston. They can offer way more than Aston could even dream of. He didn't go there because it would be more of the same as he got with Red Bull in the end. He wanted a stake in a team with real potential and goals and he wanted to have more influence and control, that's what Aston offers, that's what made the difference. Williams is where I'd have hoped he'd go but they have no resources and they don't even own Williams AE anymore, so extra curricular activities with that team is a nonstarter.
25:40 what a great outlook on the core nature of Ferrari.
There is/was an organic and industrious passion at the core of most high-quality brands, Rolex included. The luxury element often overshadows this.
No better f1 coverage on the interwebs than this one here!
You're a legend Darcy.
All credit is Mr Windsor's. 🍺
Top content. Agreed
Also Cameron, in regards to Norris’s racing “form” etc, this isn’t new for Lando.
When you look at his 2018 F2 season, it’s almost a complete copy of that season. Has the best car (Carlin/McLaren), but miles behind the championship leader (George/Max) with drivers with more impressive drivers right behind him in the championship (Leclerc & Piastri/Albon).
I would switch out Albon for Piastri in this case (also looking to people who potentially still could win the championship if Max has 8 dnf’s and Lando bottles it). But you make a very good point with your comment
@@jonasblomme1252 Thanks, but I was referring to how Albon was right behind Norris in F2 (only seven points).
the carlin was NOT the best car sir
@@usedtoexistonce Yes it was. It won the F2 constructors.
@@gameofender4463 its well known that george russells art had a superior engine norris albon and russell even joke about it from time to time
I may be alone in this statement, but I cannot wait to see the neon green 44 on the red car. I cannot wait. And I really do not even care about the results. I want Carlos, Lewis and Max to thrive to their talents potential
Thank you Peter I completely agree with you in regards to Newey and you are the only pundit that seems to cut through the BS and just tell the truth. That's why you are the goat in my opinion.
Newey didn’t sell out for money or he would’ve gone to Ferrari. He went to aston because the freedom etc
Newey distasteful? regardless of who is paying the bills at aston, its still a race team. no difference in the corprate pencil pushers that are behind the scenes at mercedes or the politics at ferrari. saying that newey "sold out" for money is ridiculous. aston are the only team that would allow him to stamp his name on the team, with state of the art facilities. ferrari or mercedes arent going to let him do that. it would just be the same downplay of his importance that hes been getting at redbull for 2 years
Ya, ppl just hate the Stroll’s, which is somewhat understandable.
Agree 100 percent. Aston Martin is giving him Autonomy that teams like Ferrari would not give him.
30million redeeming qualities justifying Newey's decision
@@michaeldellorso889why is it understandable?
@@Jur1_00 bc Lawrence gives his idiot son a drive and Lance is a talentless brat.
On the LH to Ferrari move, the debate that you ‘want him but don’t need him’:
The way I look at it: teams that have 2 no.1 drivers aim primarily for WCC.
Teams that have a clear no.1 and no.2 driver aim primarily for WDC.
Both of them hope that the other championship just follows automatically.
Sorry going to have to disagree with the comments about Ricciardo. I remember them signing him with the intention of him showing his race winning form of yesteryear. He was initially underwhelming and later on lost them 4th place in 2022 - wasn't good enough.
2021: NOR 160 (P6), RIC 115 (P8) Mclaren 4th, 48.5 points from Ferrari in 3rd.
2022: 122 (P7), RIC 37 (P11), Mclaren 5th, lost 4th place constructors to Alpine by 14 points.
2023: NOR 205 (P6) to PIA (97) (P9) Mclaren kept 4th place ahead of Aston Martin by 22 points.
2024: NOR 241 (P2) to PIA 197 (P4) Mclaren 8 points from P1 and catching Red Bull fast.
What Mclaren need is strong management, as had been said before.
What if Leclerc has a lock on Hamilton? That would only make him look better.
Love it when you invite Peter. He has fantastic insights when asked (managed) to the right questions. McLaren changes the rules too late, McLaren hires Oscar when it should have kept Riccarido, Ferrari did not need Hamilton, Newey goes to stroll environment - must be money, .... these are powerful insights. It would be great if Lando (or Leclare or Sainz) could hire Peter as his coach.
Love this stuff and you always deliver with your friend Peter! 🙏
Personally I don't believe Lewis cares anymore about no.8. He's just building up his legacy with memorable performances, whether that results in wins or not. So, I think he will be honest with Charles and won't have many intense Nico moments.
Interesting opinion but highly disagree
Why. Obviously he wants №8, whoul wouldn't but realistically. He doesn't have the time or the form on his side to make it happen, so realistically his focus will shift.
12:30 ?? C'mom Peter... Maybe he wants a new challenge. Also the heritage of Aston Martin is thoroughly British. Maybe he likes the idea of putting them on top of F1.
Brilliant session chaos. Thoroughly enjoyable
Absolute chaos right? 🤣
Glad you enjoyed.
@@Cameron-Cc haha meant to write “chaps”!
But yes, there is a lot of chaos on the horizon. And I’m all for it!
Have a good day Cam
Peter is a part of the clique that don’t respect Toto and stems from nothing more than bitternesses. Why should we look into why Mercedes didn’t go for Adrian anymore than Ferrari or McLaren? Why pick on Mercedes 🙄. They have seen success without him!!!! Adrian should be desired by those who haven’t had success in more than a decade. So it’s fine McLaren doesn’t need Adrian, it’s fine for Fred to say no but oh no, not Toto. 😂😂😂😂be for real, you turning green😂
As if mercedes didn't with championships with Newey working for the competition.🤔
Peter if Ferrari doesn't need Lewis , mercedes didn't need or want Newey as well.
Why do McLaren need Adrian Newey at all at the moment? I would say they have a good engineering team there already, as the present car is proving.
Peter is The GOAT as a Guest! Always great to hear his perspective and I love how he's disappointed that Newey left RB!
No sports psychologist or media strategy is saving Lando. He just isn’t that good, despite his pace being there. Still an excellent driver, but when you’re expecting him to drive like Max, it’s always going to be a colossal disappointment.
True. Max, Lewis, Fernando, and in my opinion Charles too on his best days, are just on another level. Kimi Antonelli might join that list in the future.
@@Real_ghostboi Charles is not a killer, but I agree with first 3
@@reboot1337 That’s why I said “on his best days”. Charles doesn’t have the consistency the other three (especially Max and Lewis this season) have, but he’s certainly up there. If Max, Lewis, and Fernando are A+ tier drivers, then Charles is an A tier driver, and Lando a B tier driver…
The simple thing is Cameron. Is people seemingly want Norris to get the same type of treatment/preference that Lewis got at his peak with Mercedes.
But the fact is that Norris isn’t Hamilton. And Piastri’s too good to be Bottas.
Or to put it another way, even if Bottas was slightly ahead of Hamilton at the halfway point of a season for one reason or another, while Merc were in a championship battle. Merc probably still wouldn’t prioritise Bottas.
As they probably still be holding back incase Lewis could do far better. And the same is likely true with Lando and Oscar.
It’s more that Piastri isn’t Bottas. Lewis wasn’t getting #1 treatment when he was losing to Nico Rosberg.
What are you on about, Bottas in 2015 was being hailed as better than Rosberg when Lewis was destroying him.
You seems to forget that Bottas was signed on equal footing.
But of course it you, always finding ways to downplay Lewis.
As for team orders, it happened 4 times in 5 years, that's 100 races.
One was returned immediately and another two was pointless, because Lewis was already overtaking him.
Every other case of team orders have been far worse than that but go on.
@@Don-Royall I’m not “downplaying Lewis”. 😂
I’ve just said that Norris isn’t good enough to deserve any preference that Lewis got with team orders etc. 😂
@@gameofender4463 Nope, you could have ended it in your first paragraph if that's what you meant. You gave a scenario that is filled with untruth in it.
Toto could careless about Lewis, it was Lauda that was visibly mad about Lewis given back the first ever team order, that would be the first out of 4.
Toto has categorically stated that Bottas is allowed to race Lewis, Bottas is incredibly fast but inconsistent.
The idea that Lewis has somehow benefitted from team orders is the biggest lie in F1, please go and check their point separation in there five years together.
There is only one driver to dominate them all. Lewis Hamilton
Get real fangirl
** Peter Windsor Must Stop Doing Media Now!
charles has nothing to worry about. The only thing he has to worry about is not having a quick enough car
What's wrong in working for Aston Martin? Legendary 100 years old British company? Seems like a good place for a legendary British designer. And we don't really know if it's just about the money. (And even if it was, I don't think there is anything wrong with that either...) But Newey has said before that he doesn't want to move to Italy. And maybe AM gave him more power/freer hands than what Ferrari did... etc..
Thanks again for the podcast. One thing: if Newey fall under the costcap exception of the 3 highest salaries it still has budget impact. Because whoever was within the 3 man exception before Newey and now isn’t weighs on the costcap budget.
Grazie ragazzi❤️
Tell Peter pls that he‘s for me „il fenomeno" of f1🙏🏽
Far too kind TSC 🍻
Thank you so much.
All credit due to PW.
He's the GOAT.
Always great to hear from the two GOATS of F1 content
Your two goats, My GOAT has a Mohawk and is rockedpowered.
bahahahahahaha
Top tier content
Thank you arta!
if the media are right (they often arnt, but for the sakes of argument) we have never seen Newey given the kind of authority he will have at AM - it could be a disaster, they could be wcc ... or anything in between
Thanks for having Mr Windsor ! I have a feeling you're torturing him with your long endings ! He never has a chance to say goodbye or thanks for having me !
Everyone underrating Leclerc and overrating Hamilton (as always) are going to eat their words next year
Yeah. There’s no way that Leclerc doesn’t dominate Hamilton. Hamilton is one of the goats but he’s also definitely past his prime
@@Hashslingingslasherrr stats wise a goat but i wouldnt have him top ten overall
@@PazLeBon totally agree
@Hashslingingslasherrr let me just comment so I can revisit next year😅
lol he will destroy Charles straight away see you next year
I noticed that Peter dodged, in a way, the point I raised that you then raised. If the brake fiddle rule refinement stuffed RB, where was Adrian Newey's magic aero advantage.
I still want a better answer to that question. Not just that they have hit a wall.
Idk how Peter can say Newey is selling out to the Strolls? Aston Martin is an absolutely legendary brand. Newey will have access to a brand new state of the art facility. And he will be working with many great people including 1 Fernando Alonso which Newey has said he always wanted to work with. Imo this is a great move for Newey and hopefully he will have his hand in designing a few road cars as well!
Mr Windsor knows exactly what he says and apparently is word to word spot on in case of RB
Mr. Windsor on one hand says that the amount of $ A-M is paying Mr. Newey is internet fodder yet states that whatever anyone pays him he's being underpaid and also it's sad that Mr. Newey took the job with A-M for the $, I've always heard that Mr. Newey wanted to work with either Hamilton or Alonso, Ferrari said no A-M said yes, so I don't get the reference that he's doing it for the $, Stroll is giving him the control and power that Ferrari refused to give him plus he's working with Alonso both those points have nothing to do with $!
Ohh humanity cam I thought last week Charles was a problem for Lewis
Different cars remember?
I think they’re a problem for each other tbh! 💪🏻💪🏻
I think I remember Peter definitely thought Adrian was impacted by the controversy back then at Red Bull. I am actually surprised at Peters current assessment on Adrian. Although I think it is correct.
RE red bull - why is MClaren and Ferraris ceiling higher than Red Bulls - that dosnt ring true to me. Red bull claimed the RB20 was an aggressive departure from its predecessor because they thought the ceiling of the 19 was too close. Meanwhile, the red Fs and the orange Ms seem to have more head height left
Cameron - Brilliant, Patient, and worth a lift into major media for a tour; whilst continuing your RUclips Channel...😊
I don’t think Lewis is going to be able to qualify better than Charles. George has demonstrated that. Charles is not the one to worry, Lewis should be worried.
Like working for Hamilton as far as politics is any better than working for the strolls give me a break
Peter can be so wonderfully transparent:-) Like he is now trying to criticize Adrian's choice because he clearly did not choose Ferrari. How Peter also keeps Ferrari completely out of Adrian's choice is so funny....because in fact that is the only question that is pressing on Peter and which he is very disappointed in because it hurts Lewis's chances of ever winning an 8th world title:-) And of course the arrival of Lewis is a terrible thing for Charles, I have already said and explained that! Adrian will never have had the ambition to work with a character like Lewis, they are so different! A Max or Alonso are much more his kind of guys.
Please remember that certain personnel salaries are EXEMPT from the cost cap.
Peter saying if riccardo was still at McLaren things would be going better for lando is tomfoolery. If he somehow got back in shape with the car, he’d be wiping the floor with noriss. He’s a multiple race winner to noriss’s 2 wins in a rocketship. And this is coming from a staunch riccardo hater lol
Thank you Mr Windsor 🏁✌️
Love you and love peter Windsor but the focus on history bothers me. Why is it better for Ferrari to win than Aston? They did thr work, they did the commitment.....
Well, he DID design the Valkyrie hyper road car for Aston and Aston ( the REAL Aston) was a Red Bull sponsor.
This is the problem; F1 teams are allowed to have their three top earner outside the cost cap. Their should be no such excemptions and everything would be better "self adjusted". => Give Adrian an outstanding salary BUT at the cost of reductions in other segments from the teams budget.
how about, the average of your top 3 has to be within a multiple factor of the average of the rest of the workforce
If £150 mill is cheap and no one else is willing to pay then how is it selling out? Its a team outside the top 4 so its not too different to when he joined red bull who were just considered a drinks company at the time.
pls put chapters on your long videos
I think leclerc will dismantle hamilton, same as i called with george,hes been with ferrari forever and rapid 1 lap pace
I hope so plus Leclerc has better race pace than Russell
No way Hamilton gonna destroy Leclerc next year and Fred know this Leclerc is not a leader no Ferrari driver has ever beaten a champion teammate to the title
👆🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Grand_inquisiteur could do as im og h fan,but for me has lost small fraction of pace
George has embarassed himself mostly. Doing stupid stunts just to get ahead of Lewis. Usally backfires. Expecting better from Charles. He like fair hard racing.
Well I think Peter's summary on the McLaren situation is spot on. Lando's good but so is Oscar who might end up being better. Probably doesn't suit SM tribalism. Gotta be a villain. Gotta be a hero. Stand down fanbois.
If McLaren (Brown and Stella) decide to institute more structure to McLaren's racing approach strategy (i.e. "papaya rules"...get it, but no longer practical) I don't believe it necessarily means giving Lando help, nor handicapping Oscar. For instance, setting-up team orders where Oscar does not need to help Lando, but nor should Oscar hurt the team or Lando (and vise-versa on this). Specifically, Oscar's move (while brilliant) going into Variante did negatively disrupt the overall team effort (specifically the team lost the 1/2 and he didn't account for Charles patiently waiting for the opportunity to pounce). Not Oscar's fault in that his guidance was "very broad" for race actions. McLaren leadership should support Lando's Drivers Championship opportunity in the regard of having Oscar refrain from an attack via an occasional "hold position" or unless it is clear that Lando's performance isn't going to get it done. On another note, Nico Rosberg's advise to Lando is sage. Lando should get a sports psychologist, so he can better cognitively streamline for high-level confidence, learn how to "sh!t sandwich" (positive-negative-positive) his performance if necessary (like media interactions) and remember he is one of the 20 (give or take a couple) men who get to drive a machine specifically designed to maximize speed/efficiency, averaging around 200mph, travel around the world...getting paid very handsomely...Lando you are so winning and that should help you maintain that "glass half FULL" mindset! Cameron another great discussion with you and Peter...keep the content flowing
LOL PW: "$$troll Kit Car" is not a racing car! 😅
That's a headline!
Is it within budget cap or not for newey? Am confused
I love Peter's take on all things F1. Truly goated 🙌🏾
lol, Leclerc will do to him what he did to Vettel.
Leclerc vs Hamilton= Rosberg vs Schumacher 2010/2012
lol Hamilton will destroy Charles next year keep dreaming
Vettel is a overrated Newey merchant exposed by ricciardo
Lol 😂😂😂😂
The same way Mercedes made Lewis's life difficult by signing George. So goes F1. But the good news for Charles is that Lewis will be 40 in 2025 and his remaining time in F1 is very limited
I need a pundit to explain how AM can fit so much talent under the spending cap. I don't see how it is possible they have that many heavy hitters and are still under the cap, it makes no sense.
My knowledge doesn't go far either, but I think Newey is outside the costcap and has shares in AM. Lance has only 2M. That bit with Adrian Newey already saves a lot of costs. I hope I understood it correctly. 🤞🏼😁
@@outlawf1272 drivers salaries also outside the cost cap so Lance's low salary doesn't help.
@@m12x12 You are absolutely right, I lost track of that for a moment, thanks for clarification ✌🏼🧡
Cowell and Newey are the only heavy hitters. Cardile and Fallows were underlings. No reason they could command crazy salaries.
It seems to me that once you say that Red Bull have reached the chassis limit and that Maclaren have caught them and are indeed quicker, it would make great sense to consider the engines. My guess is that the Mercedes engine is stronger than the Red Bull Honda.
If I was stroll part of the contract with Lance would be coaching thru Mr. Walker
I don’t understand all this bullshit around McLaren team orders. McLaren only need to implement when they have the space to their opposition to do so. If both Lando and Oscar are close together in a pack with others, they simply leave them alone and let them do what they do every race. It is only when they are close and Lando is fighting for the win.
I think Adrian and Waché and Balbo weren’t on the same line anymore. Adrian wanted a more conservative approach on the updates on the RB20 while Waché en Balbo had a believe that they want to bring a complete revolution to destroy the field. On hindsight Adrian may have been right. But he might have felt left out because his opinion was ignored. At least that feels like a more plausible reason.
Who is Balbo? 🤔
@@makkert Head of Aerodynamics at Red Bull
Hamilton will be good for Ferrari, which in turn will be good for Leclerc, because just his presence on the team will raise expectations to deliver a car that can compete race to race, and it will also force Leclerc to put his best out there ever race. Remember, Nico retired because the effort and pressure of competing race to race against Hamilton was unsustainable for more than that one season where he put everything into winning the championship over Hamilton.
I think if Leclerc can match the effort of Nico, then he too will be competing head to head for the championship, and when he wins over Hamilton, his teammate, it will be very special to him and his career. I think it will bring out everything we as fans want to see in F1. In fact McLaren could have that same magic if they weren’t trying to out do each other and concentrated on raising the level to the point we get the best out of both drivers.
Sometimes I don't understand what Peter is trying to say. Same sentence he said Adrian likes to build teams like Leighton House and Red Bull , now he is going to Aston Martin where they are definitely struggling and a team to watch for the future that makes Adrian a sell out?
So according to Peter's logic he should not go to Ferrari , Mercedes or any established teams and should go to a Williams or a Haas or Peter just salty that Adrian ain't going to his boy Lewis' team?
Whats this leclerc slander latley im suprised people instead of praising him making less mistakes and the tables he turned mid 2023 is in full effect this year hes been perfect apart from maybe austria lap 1
Lewis being terrible news isnt a real thing,i mean even if it was max there they would still sign lewis,hes just someone you must take if you can for marketing and performance...i believe they still trust in charels,its just they dont think like red bull or great f1 minds,they think one dimensionally like mclaren
Two billy Goat F1 gurus
“Stroll Stuff” is what I’m gonna call Aston Martin from now on 🤣
A bit of emotional talk from Peter here with regard to Newey and AM.
It’s a race team and they want the best Engineer. You don’t mention the reason why Newey is leaving RB? Think it may have anything to do with Horner?
Good for Newey, I’m sure he negotiated out full control and autonomy and has one of the best drivers in history in Alonso over there.
Would be a nice crowning achievement in delivering the Aston Martin name and Alonso a championship don’t you think?
Is it the new GTO John Barnard/Ferrari? Sounds like it’s the 2025 version of it
There was a Lemans race at COTA this past weekend. Just saying.
Couple things, Ferrari would've never signed Lewis without Charles' approval. It's more about marketing, if I remember correctly Ferrari stock went up by 5-6 billions on the day they announced Lewis will drive for Ferrari
Newey left Red Bull because of Horner harassing his PA…
lol... it was funny but... i think Ogier was trying to get into Neuville head since Ogier said he is going fight for the championship this year after not competing in 3 of the rounds....
Bruh PW is such a bore. I love Cam tho.
Toto is a venture capitalist! Among other things. Shareholders
vs stakeholders. Shareholders actually own the business and therefore have a say in running it, stakeholders on the other hand think they should have a say in running the business but don’t actually have any skin in the the game.
💯% on top off things.
Please don’t be a grumpy old man Peter. You are at your best talking about the sport of F1. Brilliant .
Please don’t venture into areas such as finance and where you know very little.
Does a Ferrari shareholder really have to know how to “heel and toe” or tune a Webber carburettor? Come on!
Sadly F1 would not exist without money and lots of it. It is just the way it is.
Ferrari will have consistent podiums next season KNOW THAT!!!
With Carlos and Charles Ferrari seems to have drivers that will win under different circumstances. They complement each other.
And know Ferrari have the best F1 driver EVER!!! With the new number one driver
Odd Adrian newey is joining Aston Martin. Although, Eddie Jordan is his manager and Aston Martin used to be the Jordan f1 team many years ago. I guess it makes a lot of sense if you look at it that way.
How can you judge Newey for wanting Stroll's cash? Take I say.
Peter is wrong, Zac never gave Oscar the Hungry win.
You mean the one where they begged Lando every 30 seconds to move over?
@@smanqele watch the race , why was Lando in front of?
@@TrumpAndKamila Because the team messed up, but were quick to let Lando carry that mess instead of owning up to it
@@smanqele brother, if they messed up, that means they messed up TWICE in favour of Lando... Weird.
@@nikolaybonapartov7379 It's their job not to mess up, and theirs to take ownership of the mess when it happens. Playing mind games with a driver under high stakes race situation not good
Peter, Lando would not have won hungry, they let Lando pit first over Oscar, what are u on about
If you look at how much faster lando was in the last stint, he could have caught and overtaken oscar without the undercut
@@andrewmelton2686 they should have let Oscar pit and left Lando .
If he hadn't been ordered to slow down he would have literally won the race. What are you on about?
@@andrewmelton2686hello my little servant and personal cl0 wn,cry me a river as usual😂😂😂😂
@@andrewmelton2686andrew meltdown is a r3 tar der with no life, reply to me if you agree and cry a bit😂😂😂😂
Unwatchable because of the ADs ! Seriously ...
In what way has Adrian Newey sold his soul? He had two regrets - that he never worked with Hamilton or Alonso. He will work with Alonso, so Cameron and Windsor are wrong on that one. Aston is a kit-car, according to PW, because it doesn’t have its own engine - neither had Red Bull or McLaren. Did Peter Windsor not work for a kit-car team?
Cameron you are a clever chap.
I'd suggest maintain the unconditional stance that is Peter but let him talk more of his amazing past and relationship with Frank and Nigel plus Michael I'm sure he had chats with and the great Nicki
Hahaha , Russell faster than Lewis and Leclerc faster than Russell , Doubt Leclerc is worried ...
The statement that Max can't make the car better is bs. The reason they're moving in a better direction now because of Max complaining and telling them what's wrong with the car.
And vice versa also. Charles with debunk some myths about Lewis...as George already did. Generally I think this will be a very unfortunate pairing in purely sporting regard because tension will arise very early and will disrupt the harmony in the team.
However it will be good for the marketing and we all know money is king in nowadays.
So will newy pay tax in UK to help our public services, as he was educated here, lives here!! Jeez different world eh!