The funniest thing on these videos are always the "experts" who have maybe played one Chopin ballade and suddenly they're able to judge better than the guy who has actually performed the piece.
I love this Fantasy, so colorful and taking melodies normally not used in other Carmen fantasies. And outstanding performance, always with a marvelous singing line coming out despite all the fireworks around!
actually this piece has most difficulty than all of liszt, alkan or whatever virtuosity pieces.. even mereaux. i agree ladivana's saying. simply awkward jumps, double notes that needs flexible finger independent etcs But. I think the reason why this song is unknown is probably because of the same reason as Etudes in mereaux. Isn't the excellence of the work's content, including the thrill of hearing it, something that the public unconsciously demands, just as hamelin disparaged Mereaux? Both mereaux and Weiss can't say that the musical-structure of the piece itself is just "bad".. But I think the reason why alkan is so well known among the lesser known composers is not just the use of that virtuosity, but the use of it to stimulate the listener's ears. It's like Liszt came up with a lot of passages and modern harmonies for the richness of the song. The difficulty of alkan and liszt is actually not physiologically difficult compared to contemporary composers/mereaux/weiss pieces. However, it causes an optical illusion that seems more difficult than that. That's my personality conclusion... Even if their opinions do not agree with mine, I always respect and respect them for their search for the "truth" of music with their beliefs and philosophies. luv u divana!
@LaDavinaFanatic Great playing. I'm curious to know, what will you do after you conquer Mt. Everest? Will you enjoy the view? (By that I mean, may we look forward to some less high-octane performances of other compositions?) You've got the weapons to slay some dragons, but I'd love to see a unique take on a more standard classic! Maybe that's wishful thinking. Thanks for the upload, rosie. And thank you for the performance, LDF.
I cant wait for LaDivinaFanatic to record this piece with better equipment! This music is a caged monster of Lisztian amazingness. I can't believe its not more popular. Gyimesi's performance is so sluggish in comparison (understandable due to the insanity of this paraphrase).
absolutely agree that this deserves a better recording. although i do admit that this piece doesn't really appeal to me, even though liszt's operatic fantasies are some of my favorite pieces. weiss' carmen fantasy just feels bombastic - very virtuosic but lacking in substance
@@rosiepiano Haha, fair enough! I personally really love the bombast. In any case, thanks for synchronizing the score with this amazing performance. These types of videos are always great 😊
@@supasayajinsongoku4464 it's really hard to come up with one, but a few i can nominate are -reminiscences de norma (especially the arpeggiando section ("deh, non volerli vittime")) -harmonies du soir -liszt's transcription of hymne a saint cecile (s. 491) -massenet's piano concerto -both of mendelssohn's double piano concertos (one in a-flat major and one in e major) -ravel's piano concerto in g major (especially 2nd movement) -faure's requiem -arensky's piano quintet -sibelius 5th symphony i always go back to the norma fantasy though, it's my favorite liszt piece. definitely recommend that one
Legato sixths and tenths tossed off as if they were nothing! Some technique! I guess Josef Weiss was trying to write the ultimately difficult operatic paraphrase; maybe he did it. To my mind the test of such a genre is whether the piece brings something to the melodies that weren't there in its source material. That's after all the aim of all Liszt's paraphrases. It's a retrospective rethinking of found material, musique retrouvee. I think this one does it too. There's a steely quality to this music that isn't in Bizet's score.
I'm big fan of Carmen but unfortunately I found this to be horribly bombastic and Josef Weiss seemed to have a higher regard for virtuosity than a good sound in this piece. It's sort of if Liszt had no maturity or care for musicality. I will give credit, though, to 9:19, which blends the orchestral and choral parts of "Les voici! voici la quadrille!" very effectively. Music of this sort will always have its fans, no doubt due to the ridiculous technical skills required to pull off a performance. Unfortunately this isn't for me though. Busoni's Carmen Fantasy is miles ahead imo!
I agree. It is incredibly impressive as a showpiece. Just looking at the score was enough to raise my pulse 20 bpm. But, if any piece of music can be said to have "too many notes," surely this is it. An instant hardly goes by without something flashy. It's all just too overwhelming, though. Listening to it is exhausting; I can only imagine how exhausting it is for the performer! I need to go listen to some Mozart to set my brain right again.
@ladivinafanatic We need proof that you are a human being, not some 7th dimensional eldritch entity beyond human comprehension. Humans aren't supposed to be able to move like this.
Detractors say that Liszt is often just hollow fireworks with no substance. But I know all of his operatic paraphrases and none of them contain pointless virtuosity just for the sake of it. He always uses passage work to creat a quasi orchestral texture on the piano, and amplify the musical ideas. Often in the form of variations, where it is expected that you do something like this. Weiss on the other hand does exactly what people accuse Liszt of doing. Lots of pointless flourishes that are there just to show off his skills. The worst thing is that he does it right away. Instead of presenting the material more or less unembelished at first he always dives right in with the most pointless passagework. It's just stupid and unmusical. Really not a fan of this approach.
I don’t know. I insist listening until min 3, but mozart d minor concerto I can repeat whole day. And apparently this 11 mins piece easily beats a mozart concerto(piano part) in number of notes. I guess thats why some people were genius and some were history…
As long as I do not see a video of a flesh and bone pianist playing this piece so fast and without wrong notes, I shall not believe that it is possible. Scarbo looks like a piece for beginners compared to this.
And they also tricked and made it simpler in a few spots. At 7:44 for example the right hand is missing all the arpeggio notes and is just playing the melody. Probably their hands were to small to play this as written at speed.@@trvm1
Yes, as an ex-professional pianist myself, I suspect that the poor audio quality is concealing quite a few sins. Basically, there is a finite limit to how fast flesh and sinew can physically move - even with enormous hands, which this performer obviously had; This performance was pushing credibility. I am not convinced it is all it seems.
Is this from a piano roll - or an actual, live, real, biological human recorded at true speed ?? As an ex-professional pianist myself, I suspect that the poor audio quality is concealing quite a few sins. Basically, there is a finite limit to how fast flesh and sinew can physically move - even with enormous hands, which this performer obviously had; This performance was pushing credibility. I am not convinced it is all it seems.
I did not believe it either but this is barely in the top 5 of the most impressive things he's done... He has played Le Preux, Liszt etude 4b s140, Lucrezia de Borgia, on live competition livestreams that are all here on RUclips, 33% faster than any other recording. The Spanish fantasy is also several minutes faster than what other technically skilled pianists are capable of. Welcome to the rabbit hole. As another note he had this Carmenfantasie programmed for one of the recent competitions (I think Ljubljana Piano Competition, where some of his other videos are from) for the 3rd round but didn't advance. A shame as we would've had this performance on video .
@@chillmemes5865 Nope. For me charlatan has a different meaning. So, it was just a misunderstanding from my side. How ever, I don't think He sold his soul to anybody. He just has a technical ability about speed, what we never seen in the recorded piano history.
this was uploaded two days after I made this video:
ruclips.net/video/rIB8E0-CCcs/видео.html
Lol
i mean. In comparison to LDF's recording, the recording you linked is really slow, underwhelming and the pianist sounds incredibly bored.
The funniest thing on these videos are always the "experts" who have maybe played one Chopin ballade and suddenly they're able to judge better than the guy who has actually performed the piece.
I don't think they have even gotten to that level yet.
Acting like a Chopin ballade is Für Elise 😭
@@chillmemes5865compared to this it is
I sight read it 😂
@@ciararespect4296same, but it doesnt make the performance great
Simply piano players level after one week :
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve performed all Liszt 12 transcendental études in one sit and still will not touch this anytime soon
When will you release the full recording of all 12?? Please let me know 🙏
I have also. This is quite sight readable. But the material is a bit weak
As hard as Alkan's hardest pieces, and I really mean it. Fantastic recording, superhuman abilities.
I love this Fantasy, so colorful and taking melodies normally not used in other Carmen fantasies. And outstanding performance, always with a marvelous singing line coming out despite all the fireworks around!
actually this piece has most difficulty than all of liszt, alkan or whatever virtuosity pieces.. even mereaux. i agree ladivana's saying.
simply awkward jumps, double notes that needs flexible finger independent etcs
But. I think the reason why this song is unknown is probably because of the same reason as Etudes in mereaux.
Isn't the excellence of the work's content, including the thrill of hearing it, something that the public unconsciously demands, just as hamelin disparaged Mereaux?
Both mereaux and Weiss can't say that the musical-structure of the piece itself is just "bad"..
But I think the reason why alkan is so well known among the lesser known composers is not just the use of that virtuosity, but the use of it to stimulate the listener's ears.
It's like Liszt came up with a lot of passages and modern harmonies for the richness of the song.
The difficulty of alkan and liszt is actually not physiologically difficult compared to contemporary composers/mereaux/weiss pieces.
However, it causes an optical illusion that seems more difficult than that.
That's my personality conclusion...
Even if their opinions do not agree with mine, I always respect and respect them for their search for the "truth" of music with their beliefs and philosophies.
luv u divana!
Well said
@LaDavinaFanatic Great playing. I'm curious to know, what will you do after you conquer Mt. Everest? Will you enjoy the view? (By that I mean, may we look forward to some less high-octane performances of other compositions?) You've got the weapons to slay some dragons, but I'd love to see a unique take on a more standard classic! Maybe that's wishful thinking. Thanks for the upload, rosie. And thank you for the performance, LDF.
Divina is nowhere near the same virtuosity as Marc Andre Hamelin. And in some vids he cheats 😂
@@ciararespect4296 cry
@@CamilleBraiki cry? That's an incorrect usage of the meme 🤣 no need to cry when I know it's true and just stating that fact 🤣 do one fanbois 🤣
May I request a score video of Moiseiwitsch's recording of Medtner's sonata op. 22?
Чудові транскрипції класичної музики. Дякую за ці записи! Браво!
1:27 to ~2:21 is the most beautiful excerpt from any piece I've ever heard
Divine masterpiece and godly performance of it.
Why am I only finding about this videos existence a month after it’s release? 😭😭
it's never too late - and i try to upload daily! i love your channel and your compositions ^w^ 🏳⚧🏳⚧
@@rosiepiano aaa thank you❤❤❤ !!!!!!!
Jeepers.... what a machine!
I cant wait for LaDivinaFanatic to record this piece with better equipment! This music is a caged monster of Lisztian amazingness. I can't believe its not more popular. Gyimesi's performance is so sluggish in comparison (understandable due to the insanity of this paraphrase).
absolutely agree that this deserves a better recording. although i do admit that this piece doesn't really appeal to me, even though liszt's operatic fantasies are some of my favorite pieces. weiss' carmen fantasy just feels bombastic - very virtuosic but lacking in substance
@@rosiepiano Haha, fair enough! I personally really love the bombast. In any case, thanks for synchronizing the score with this amazing performance. These types of videos are always great 😊
kinda unrelated but whats the most beautiful piano piece you've heard this year?
@@supasayajinsongoku4464 it's really hard to come up with one, but a few i can nominate are
-reminiscences de norma (especially the arpeggiando section ("deh, non volerli vittime"))
-harmonies du soir
-liszt's transcription of hymne a saint cecile (s. 491)
-massenet's piano concerto
-both of mendelssohn's double piano concertos (one in a-flat major and one in e major)
-ravel's piano concerto in g major (especially 2nd movement)
-faure's requiem
-arensky's piano quintet
-sibelius 5th symphony
i always go back to the norma fantasy though, it's my favorite liszt piece. definitely recommend that one
@@supasayajinsongoku4464 hard to choose just one but Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude is certainly one of the most beautiful
Wtf is that at 6:16! FIVE LINES 😭 I don't even wanna know the name of that note!
Wasn’t there some 128th stuff at the beginning of Beethovens pathetique
Wow, this is actually very good and sounds awesome!!
AMAZING....
I wondered who plays, and also wondered if Ladivinafanatic is a fan of Gabriela Montero?
8:57 i used that modulating too
I completely thought 'Midnight on the Cliffs'
This recording totally demotivates me as an amateur...
But why tho?
Fr, I’m just about to learn Liebestraum 😢
I have no hope
10:20 FREDDY FAZBEAR???
Holy freakin crap guys it’s the fnaf song no way this is so epic fr fr
@@collinm.4652HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIIIT
"GUYS IS THAT FREDDY FAZBEAR? OWR OWR OWR OWR"
OH HOLERA! CHEETO FREDY FAZBER!
Haha
Legato sixths and tenths tossed off as if they were nothing! Some technique! I guess Josef Weiss was trying to write the ultimately difficult operatic paraphrase; maybe he did it. To my mind the test of such a genre is whether the piece brings something to the melodies that weren't there in its source material. That's after all the aim of all Liszt's paraphrases. It's a retrospective rethinking of found material, musique retrouvee. I think this one does it too. There's a steely quality to this music that isn't in Bizet's score.
I'm big fan of Carmen but unfortunately I found this to be horribly bombastic and Josef Weiss seemed to have a higher regard for virtuosity than a good sound in this piece.
It's sort of if Liszt had no maturity or care for musicality.
I will give credit, though, to 9:19, which blends the orchestral and choral parts of "Les voici! voici la quadrille!" very effectively.
Music of this sort will always have its fans, no doubt due to the ridiculous technical skills required to pull off a performance. Unfortunately this isn't for me though.
Busoni's Carmen Fantasy is miles ahead imo!
I do agree. Though, this is still fairly listenable and easy to understand due to the lack of deep musical thought unlike Liszt's stuff.
I agree. It is incredibly impressive as a showpiece. Just looking at the score was enough to raise my pulse 20 bpm. But, if any piece of music can be said to have "too many notes," surely this is it. An instant hardly goes by without something flashy. It's all just too overwhelming, though. Listening to it is exhausting; I can only imagine how exhausting it is for the performer! I need to go listen to some Mozart to set my brain right again.
@@chemprofmatt fr, this is like if LSD was a piece of music
Is this Carmen as in the famous chromatic piece by Bizet
carmen is an opera by bizet, this piece features multiple themes from the opera
@@rosiepiano Thank you
It’s a fantasy on various themes from the Carmen piece by bizet
@@collinm.4652What is the difference between Carmen and Habanera
@@Bozzigmupp habenera is a piece in the Carmen suite
8:38 - 8:59 wtf
@ladivinafanatic We need proof that you are a human being, not some 7th dimensional eldritch entity beyond human comprehension. Humans aren't supposed to be able to move like this.
Your live performance footages could easily fool us, as you are probably a reality bending entity.
@ladivinafanatic I don’t think that you should play faster.The speed in the video is just comfortable
@ladivinafanaticpls faster... says the 6 yo horney little bunny lady
@ladivinafanatic we don't need more speed... we need more accuracy and clarity in the hardest parts
1:43 Gorgeous
I’ve always loved the flower song
Are my eyes lying to me, or did I just see 128th notes?
Beethoven uses them sometimes.
Just diabolical...
…ly hard to perform :(
i played this on piano tiles once
So you use a power wheel chair?
*_ayo_* *what?*
Impressive!!
than your mouth
@@Latinosmassacre-what does that mean
it was cziffra and the others... right?
@@forta7353 always and forever, my friend.
I can play this with only one feet...
Detractors say that Liszt is often just hollow fireworks with no substance. But I know all of his operatic paraphrases and none of them contain pointless virtuosity just for the sake of it. He always uses passage work to creat a quasi orchestral texture on the piano, and amplify the musical ideas. Often in the form of variations, where it is expected that you do something like this.
Weiss on the other hand does exactly what people accuse Liszt of doing. Lots of pointless flourishes that are there just to show off his skills. The worst thing is that he does it right away. Instead of presenting the material more or less unembelished at first he always dives right in with the most pointless passagework.
It's just stupid and unmusical.
Really not a fan of this approach.
Agree. Incredibly impressive playing here but ultimately it is just “a confused noise”, to quote Eeyore.
Yup.
3:59
I don’t know. I insist listening until min 3, but mozart d minor concerto I can repeat whole day. And apparently this 11 mins piece easily beats a mozart concerto(piano part) in number of notes. I guess thats why some people were genius and some were history…
As long as I do not see a video of a flesh and bone pianist playing this piece so fast and without wrong notes, I shall not believe that it is possible. Scarbo looks like a piece for beginners compared to this.
There were definitely quite a few wrong notes. This pianist has just endured long hours of practice to play this so well.
And they also tricked and made it simpler in a few spots. At 7:44 for example the right hand is missing all the arpeggio notes and is just playing the melody. Probably their hands were to small to play this as written at speed.@@trvm1
Yes, as an ex-professional pianist myself, I suspect that the poor audio quality is concealing quite a few sins. Basically, there is a finite limit to how fast flesh and sinew can physically move - even with enormous hands, which this performer obviously had; This performance was pushing credibility. I am not convinced it is all it seems.
8:57
10:04
awesome virtuosity. not a great piece but played with great style. the imperfections matter not at all.
Technique on par with Hamelin...
Could edge out Hamelin in a few years.
템포를 조절했다에 올인입니다. 치프라가 아닌 이상 부분 도약과 옥타브, 손가락 독립에서 있을 수 없는 표현입니다. 이 연주에서의 테크닉들을 마스터한 사람이면 이 연주가 실제가 아니란걸 알 수 있습니다.
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Is this from a piano roll - or an actual, live, real, biological human recorded at true speed ?? As an ex-professional pianist myself, I suspect that the poor audio quality is concealing quite a few sins. Basically, there is a finite limit to how fast flesh and sinew can physically move - even with enormous hands, which this performer obviously had; This performance was pushing credibility. I am not convinced it is all it seems.
This is a live recording, and there are videos of this pianist playing Alkan and Liszt at mindbending speeds. He's very real
I did not believe it either but this is barely in the top 5 of the most impressive things he's done... He has played Le Preux, Liszt etude 4b s140, Lucrezia de Borgia, on live competition livestreams that are all here on RUclips, 33% faster than any other recording. The Spanish fantasy is also several minutes faster than what other technically skilled pianists are capable of. Welcome to the rabbit hole.
As another note he had this Carmenfantasie programmed for one of the recent competitions (I think Ljubljana Piano Competition, where some of his other videos are from) for the 3rd round but didn't advance. A shame as we would've had this performance on video .
@@howcuteiscatosicariushow the hell does this pianist not advance???
@@leomiller2291Jealous and paid off judges. That's how.
The opera would be better if the singers sang all the 16th/32nd notes and the orchestra played just the melody....
I find this really awful.
Wouldn’t hold it against ya. There’s a lot going on
Then why don't you just go out and listen to modern school performances
Great piece. Pianist is a charlatan. 👎👎
Charlatan ? Maybe you could upload this music performed by yourself and show us what it's like when someone isn't a charlatan??
@@hangologeptelefonAre you implying someone has to sell their soul to be good at piano?
@@chillmemes5865 Nope. For me charlatan has a different meaning. So, it was just a misunderstanding from my side. How ever, I don't think He sold his soul to anybody. He just has a technical ability about speed, what we never seen in the recorded piano history.