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I'm 18 rn, could you help me with some link or some video or some paraphrase to understand this book. I only know about his philosophy from the surface and I want to dig in.
@@Zomer_Pastoralist @khyatishsharma3711 the best way to proceed is simply to start reading and to keep reading until you get it. Schopenhauer says somewhere in his, also highly recommended, 'The World as Will and Representation' that the fundamental pleasure of genius (and by extension, of Art and Philosophy) is the incremental increase in your understanding of the world, as if you were laying small pieces of colored stone which, as yet unbeknownst to you, will one day be a splendid and colourful mosaic of understanding. And because the 'world is my representation', this work of understanding must be done by you and you alone. And then you can "know joyfully", as Nietzsche says in the Gay Science.
God every time I hear that term I think of classical libertarianism of the dejacque school, but then I realise people are probably referring to Ayn Rand
Picked this up for just $2. It's heavy and yes I felt I didn't pay attention in Greeks and Romans class in high school but the context can really be a fabulous theoretical view of aesthetics and intent of energy.
I jumped into Philosophy with Nietzsche 'Birth of Tragedy'; I saw so many parallels with his German society, the issues of socratic science and other minor points, alongside the Duality and eventually trifecta of powers that influence our modern perceptions, however, it was still hard to understand and only after contemplation and watching videos like this, I have been able to better understand the text. Although that weird tangent about Arians and Semitics was kinda weird and out of place. Hope that's just the only time this happens in his works.
To me, the music of Richard Wagner is intrinsically bound up in The Birth of Tragedy. Tristan and the Ring Cycle are essential listening for... Reading this book.
@@bronyatheistfedora that’s interesting as I personally haven’t heard it discussed. Thanks tho maybe I need to look around more. Do you have any suggestions? I find Nietzsche fascinating & relatable.
@@dlloydy5356 I'm not sure. It's popular to cite in works concerning Nietzsche's perspective on the Greeks, as well as his perspective on art. It's extremely popular on the informal level in the use of the terms "apollonian" and "dionysian", almost as philosophical pop culture. It's also one of the main instances involved in any consideration of Nietzsche's evolution of thought, as it was his first work and poorly received at the time. Nietzsche himself disparages it as well (mainly in terms of style) but also elaborates on it in later works. But I'd start with a search of "birth of tragedy" on JSTOR and see what looks like a fun read
Just finished watching the film Leaves of Grass and there was a reference to Apollo and Dionysian fusion . Did some research after that and stumbled on this . Good job .
I was just looking for a video to summarise The Birth of Tragedy, yet here I am feeling inspired, impressed, illuminated, inspirited, influenced, indulged.
Awesome video. I also loved your video on Heidegger's Being and Time. When you added the clip of Rick Roderick talking about Dasein I felt chills run down my spine, haha. You said at the end of the video that you'll be doing more Nietzsche. Are you going to dedicate one full video to Thus Spoke Zarathustra? Would be amazing if you could. P.S The way you present your videos with the soft ambient background music and your soft voice makes the videos really pleasurable to watch. Keep it up!
thank you so much for this, I'm studying philosophy at university and I have to write an essay critically evaluating his claim that the modern world needs a renewal of tragic culture. i was left with a lot of confusion having read The Birth of Tragedy and had no idea where to begin, this video really helped clarify all the ideas Nietzsche discusses 🤎
Recently i have been studying about greek, religions and mythology and was wondering about how today we live in between concepts of science and myths. We have hospitals and religious sites next to each other. I was thinking about this shift from myths to reason and rationality and thought how myths even started. Then i remembered about Nietzsche’ birth of tragedy. I think we need both! myths and science. I think after the advent of abrahamic religions (they think of themselves as somewhat rational, than mystics and esoteric traditions of lets say Hinduism) , it’s hard to go back to greek level tragedy but we have something of that already in eastern religions.
@@matth464 Haha no problem. Yes, definitely pushed myself to get this out as quick as I did. But, it didn't require as much video time. I definitely want to do more Nietzsche soon!
I've developed this concept of "passion," and I noticed it had elements of Nietzsche's Apollonian/Dionysian drives... The thing is, in my own experience, they're NOT in contention with each other. Because like the moment of passion, which would be Dionysian here, DRIVES the Apollonian for me. That is, I have an image I want to fulfill, and there's a very... affective desire to be seen as I am (however impossible that might be). On the other hand, when I figure out something about a work of literature, or something I can do in my own writing? It's THRILLING! It's not all that different from how I feel when I get drunk at a concert.
He references something like this in the book when he invokes Schiller to explain lyric poetry as a result of an imperfect synthesis of the two drives.
Great video (as per usual). I'm intrigued that you use alcohol and being drunk as an example of Dionysus. To my knowledge, Nietzsche didn't drink as he believed alcohol made you weak. How do you reconcile these two attitudes?
Iwas thinking the same thing then I came across ancient greek revisited's video about lsd and it is saying basically what greeks called wine was not our wine but some psychedelic wheat... Very interesting video.
Reading this now on section 11. It’s really good and kinda funny. Omg as I was searching for this I was asking wtf is he worried about this mess lol. I liked sections 1-5 tho didn’t know all that Apollo Dionysian got me interested in Greek now
I love all of Nietzsche’s works. Keep coming back to him. Never feel like I’m reading it just to understand what the big deal is like I do with Kant and others. Just seems like what he writes is alive and visceral. Never a chore reading it. Sometimes I wonder what Nietzsche would have thought/written were it not for Kant’s Critique. After reading (suffering through) Hegel you can see he makes reference to either indirectly or directly to Hegel quite a bit. Almost like you go back for a second read of Nietzsche after reading other philosophers and find he’s grappling with their ideas but didn’t know it after the first reading. Like after that, he had to inspire different motivations other than reason to inspire and find meaning in life. Wonder if he would of looked back to the pre-Hellenic pre-Socratic otherwise? Like that he skewers Socrates. Not so much that I don’t like Socrates but that Nietzsche sticks the pin in one of philosophy’s sacred cows and does it well. Goes on to do the same with many other philosophers too. Like he says, philosophizing with a hammer . Whether the smashing is done to an idea, philosopher, or even the idea of truth itself, Nietzsche let’s it rip. Love the second essay in On the Genealogy of Morals. See Foucault as basically a distilled Nietzschian. Aren’t his archeologies just rebranded genealogies? See Heidegger as inspired by Nietzsche too. Heidegger’s essay on technology seems a lot like Nietzsche’s affinity for the Dionysian. Both using a bit of Dialectics with Nietzsche using Apollo and Dionysian and Heidegger being and time. Again the Hegel influence. Good video. Fuckin’ A.
The friend and coworker of my exes brother gave me this book to read before I met my ex while his brother was alive and working at the gas station next to the college I went to
I am reading this book currently, and what a read! this is tremendously self-fulfilling. It just makes you uncover a new side of the self,and manifests a whole new understanding of what happened ,and what is happening, pointing out the tendencies which hitherto defines our present.The book is really intricate to fathom .The Dionysian energy is somehow a mean of comfort, an adventure that we take from time to time as a reality check ,a recall to our unity with mother earth and with other fellow humans aiming for the primordial unity. English is not my mother tongue so sorry for any errors.
I really don't mean to nitpick and am the type to shrug off what to me appears as 'incorrect' pronunciation, but it reads 'narcotic draft' and not 'narcotic drought'. A big difference in cocktail! It doesn't change your reading of it but thought I would point it out to clear up anyone else's understanding.
Love the animation! One thing about the explanation though. I don’t think Nietzsche said that Euripides was the last great tragedian and that his death signaled the end of tragedy. I believe Nietzsche was saying that Euripides himself killed tragedy because of the changes he made, like altering the chorus and removing its significance. Anyway, the rest of the video was great!
Honestly it all makes more sense if you're familair with mystic thought. People dismiss such things as woo, but like... Nietzsche's drawing from Schopenhauer, who was drawing from Hindu thought.
This book I can barely remember although I remember thinking some of the statements about creating art in it I thought that is a bad and cruel argument!
This is a really good video. I learned a lot. I'm very happy that one of my undergraduate philosophy professors had us reading Hesiod and Euripides alongside the Greek thinkers as to contextualize a lot of their philosophies. Albeit, my professor came at it from Jean-Pierre Vernant's approach to tragedy, but now I understand Nietzsche's conception of Greek tragedy better.
I dunno, the stuff Nietzsche says about dionysian drunken stupor bringing us closer to self-dissolution and merging with the universe, sounds like he's justifying going on some mad benders. Not that I blame him, but knowing his life story, he could have used a little more apollonian judgement to balance it out
I think a lot of it had to do with the people he was surrounded by at the time, i.e 19th century European academics of "polite society", a culture with extreme apollonian traits
the message and the messenger....not always in alignment, yet, the message has helped many! his message has helped me greatly, both in my art/music/writing and in my "recovery from catholic tyranny of the worst kind" ...I know how it feels to wrestle with the conflict....as do my screenplay characters...as heard in my music....as revealed in my art....as sweated out in my nightmares and daily dismay....triumph, tribulation, still yet....the will...to power...thrives within me!
So in simple terms; there is a side to us that desires structure and regulation while the other desires playfulness and joy, irrespective of the consequences. Don’t need to read a 200 page abstract nonsensical book to inform me of that
BOT and GOM are my favorite FN texts. His falling out with Wagner is an important point, perhaps you should contend with that in another video. It boiled down to two basic disagreements: 1) Wagner's antisemitism 2) Wagner's Christianity and ethic of resignation.
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Thank you so much. I really appreciate this type of content. Would you please share the background music by any chance? It's really nice for reading
First Nietzsche book I've read, had a hard time understanding it at first but when I finally did it blew my mind.
I'm 18 rn, could you help me with some link or some video or some paraphrase to understand this book. I only know about his philosophy from the surface and I want to dig in.
@@khyatishsharma3711 same here. I'm 19
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@@Zomer_Pastoralist @khyatishsharma3711 the best way to proceed is simply to start reading and to keep reading until you get it. Schopenhauer says somewhere in his, also highly recommended, 'The World as Will and Representation' that the fundamental pleasure of genius (and by extension, of Art and Philosophy) is the incremental increase in your understanding of the world, as if you were laying small pieces of colored stone which, as yet unbeknownst to you, will one day be a splendid and colourful mosaic of understanding. And because the 'world is my representation', this work of understanding must be done by you and you alone. And then you can "know joyfully", as Nietzsche says in the Gay Science.
Amazing work. Really enjoyed this
Thank you, my friend! Appreciate the praise!
It was a very fine idea to focus on Birth of Tragedy first. Thanks for the videos, they are great!
Nice work!!! I'm glad you're taking this approach on Nietzsche and not just using him as a gateway to libertarianism.
Oh god, I have my flaws, but flaws not of that magnitude.
God every time I hear that term I think of classical libertarianism of the dejacque school, but then I realise people are probably referring to Ayn Rand
@@ishaan9265 Ayn Rand is basically just a worse Max Stirner. She completely butchered egoism just to please her capitalist fetish.
Agreed. Neitsche is quite possibly the most co - opted of all philosophers.
Thank you for this video my friend. your hard work is greatly appreciated.
Picked this up for just $2. It's heavy and yes I felt I didn't pay attention in Greeks and Romans class in high school but the context can really be a fabulous theoretical view of aesthetics and intent of energy.
I can’t thank you so enough after I found your channel.
Thank you! Reading this right now for a book club and it helps a lot. Found your channel through Zizek though. But wow, Nietzsche is amazing!
This was extremely helpful in preparing for our podcast episode on Birth of Tragedy - great work as always!
Very happy to hear that! Thanks as always, man.
I jumped into Philosophy with Nietzsche 'Birth of Tragedy'; I saw so many parallels with his German society, the issues of socratic science and other minor points, alongside the Duality and eventually trifecta of powers that influence our modern perceptions, however, it was still hard to understand and only after contemplation and watching videos like this, I have been able to better understand the text.
Although that weird tangent about Arians and Semitics was kinda weird and out of place. Hope that's just the only time this happens in his works.
To me, the music of Richard Wagner is intrinsically bound up in The Birth of Tragedy. Tristan and the Ring Cycle are essential listening for... Reading this book.
Really enjoyed this. Recently been studying/looking into Neitzche and as you’ve said this his first book/early work isn’t talked about so much.
Correction to ‘Neitzsche’
It's actually talked about a lot I'm not sure where he got that from
@@bronyatheistfedora that’s interesting as I personally haven’t heard it discussed. Thanks tho maybe I need to look around more. Do you have any suggestions? I find Nietzsche fascinating & relatable.
@@dlloydy5356 I'm not sure. It's popular to cite in works concerning Nietzsche's perspective on the Greeks, as well as his perspective on art. It's extremely popular on the informal level in the use of the terms "apollonian" and "dionysian", almost as philosophical pop culture.
It's also one of the main instances involved in any consideration of Nietzsche's evolution of thought, as it was his first work and poorly received at the time. Nietzsche himself disparages it as well (mainly in terms of style) but also elaborates on it in later works.
But I'd start with a search of "birth of tragedy" on JSTOR and see what looks like a fun read
Just finished watching the film Leaves of Grass and there was a reference to Apollo and Dionysian fusion . Did some research after that and stumbled on this . Good job .
I was just looking for a video to summarise The Birth of Tragedy, yet here I am feeling inspired, impressed, illuminated, inspirited, influenced, indulged.
Awesome video. I also loved your video on Heidegger's Being and Time. When you added the clip of Rick Roderick talking about Dasein I felt chills run down my spine, haha. You said at the end of the video that you'll be doing more Nietzsche. Are you going to dedicate one full video to Thus Spoke Zarathustra? Would be amazing if you could. P.S The way you present your videos with the soft ambient background music and your soft voice makes the videos really pleasurable to watch. Keep it up!
Doing some research for a play about a prime color. This was awesome!
Nietzsche was really hard to get into but certainly a rewarding experience.
thank you so much for this, I'm studying philosophy at university and I have to write an essay critically evaluating his claim that the modern world needs a renewal of tragic culture. i was left with a lot of confusion having read The Birth of Tragedy and had no idea where to begin, this video really helped clarify all the ideas Nietzsche discusses 🤎
Thank you so much for this fantastic video! This is going to make reading Deleuze on Nietzche significantly easier wew
Recently i have been studying about greek, religions and mythology and was wondering about how today we live in between concepts of science and myths. We have hospitals and religious sites next to each other. I was thinking about this shift from myths to reason and rationality and thought how myths even started. Then i remembered about Nietzsche’ birth of tragedy. I think we need both! myths and science. I think after the advent of abrahamic religions (they think of themselves as somewhat rational, than mystics and esoteric traditions of lets say Hinduism) , it’s hard to go back to greek level tragedy but we have something of that already in eastern religions.
Thank you for sharing ❤
I am enlightened 😊
5:57, that's the Crown bar in Belfast, I used to drink in that.
You've been working hard, this is your second video in two weeks. Are you doing a series on Nietzsche?
Haha I answered my own question at the end of the video. Look forward to them!
@@matth464 Haha no problem. Yes, definitely pushed myself to get this out as quick as I did. But, it didn't require as much video time. I definitely want to do more Nietzsche soon!
Apollo vs. Dionysus = Superego vs. Id, Rational Intellect vs. Primal Instincts, Civilization vs. Savagery.
Nice video! The production is really great
again, wonderful work and thank you for this!
Would be neat to see a video on Toulmin sometime!
I've developed this concept of "passion," and I noticed it had elements of Nietzsche's Apollonian/Dionysian drives... The thing is, in my own experience, they're NOT in contention with each other. Because like the moment of passion, which would be Dionysian here, DRIVES the Apollonian for me. That is, I have an image I want to fulfill, and there's a very... affective desire to be seen as I am (however impossible that might be). On the other hand, when I figure out something about a work of literature, or something I can do in my own writing? It's THRILLING! It's not all that different from how I feel when I get drunk at a concert.
He references something like this in the book when he invokes Schiller to explain lyric poetry as a result of an imperfect synthesis of the two drives.
Amazing video, thank you❤️
Great video (as per usual). I'm intrigued that you use alcohol and being drunk as an example of Dionysus. To my knowledge, Nietzsche didn't drink as he believed alcohol made you weak. How do you reconcile these two attitudes?
Iwas thinking the same thing then I came across ancient greek revisited's video about lsd and it is saying basically what greeks called wine was not our wine but some psychedelic wheat... Very interesting video.
Reading this now on section 11. It’s really good and kinda funny. Omg as I was searching for this I was asking wtf is he worried about this mess lol. I liked sections 1-5 tho didn’t know all that Apollo Dionysian got me interested in Greek now
This is my first book of his
I love all of Nietzsche’s works. Keep coming back to him. Never feel like I’m reading it just to understand what the big deal is like I do with Kant and others. Just seems like what he writes is alive and visceral. Never a chore reading it. Sometimes I wonder what Nietzsche would have thought/written were it not for Kant’s Critique. After reading (suffering through) Hegel you can see he makes reference to either indirectly or directly to Hegel quite a bit. Almost like you go back for a second read of Nietzsche after reading other philosophers and find he’s grappling with their ideas but didn’t know it after the first reading. Like after that, he had to inspire different motivations other than reason to inspire and find meaning in life. Wonder if he would of looked back to the pre-Hellenic pre-Socratic otherwise? Like that he skewers Socrates. Not so much that I don’t like Socrates but that Nietzsche sticks the pin in one of philosophy’s sacred cows and does it well. Goes on to do the same with many other philosophers too. Like he says, philosophizing with a hammer . Whether the smashing is done to an idea, philosopher, or even the idea of truth itself, Nietzsche let’s it rip. Love the second essay in On the Genealogy of Morals. See Foucault as basically a distilled Nietzschian. Aren’t his archeologies just rebranded genealogies? See Heidegger as inspired by Nietzsche too. Heidegger’s essay on technology seems a lot like Nietzsche’s affinity for the Dionysian. Both using a bit of Dialectics with Nietzsche using Apollo and Dionysian and Heidegger being and time. Again the Hegel influence. Good video. Fuckin’ A.
Like Nietzsche, Hegel too was fascinated by the Greeks, in whom he saw the harmony between reason and passion.
nice vid to clear up the air. Although I know greek mythology, this one's been kinda hard to understand.
I love the background music, did you make it?
Thank you! I did not, can't remember who it is, but it's in the credits!
love it man, very excited for more NIetzsche videos too
beautiful video. well done!
so well done
The friend and coworker of my exes brother gave me this book to read before I met my ex while his brother was alive and working at the gas station next to the college I went to
One step more on understanding Nietzsche
I am reading this book currently, and what a read! this is tremendously self-fulfilling. It just makes you uncover a new side of the self,and manifests a whole new understanding of what happened ,and what is happening, pointing out the tendencies which hitherto defines our present.The book is really intricate to fathom .The Dionysian energy is somehow a mean of comfort, an adventure that we take from time to time as a reality check ,a recall to our unity with mother earth and with other fellow humans aiming for the primordial unity.
English is not my mother tongue so sorry for any errors.
thank you! ❤️
Great video keep it up!
I really don't mean to nitpick and am the type to shrug off what to me appears as 'incorrect' pronunciation, but it reads 'narcotic draft' and not 'narcotic drought'. A big difference in cocktail! It doesn't change your reading of it but thought I would point it out to clear up anyone else's understanding.
I got made such fun of for making this mistake, reading aloud in 7th grade ;_; haters. But yeah, I was gonna make this point too.
There were a few others, as well. Like Richard Wagner is pronounced: Ree-kard Vogner.
Love the animation! One thing about the explanation though. I don’t think Nietzsche said that Euripides was the last great tragedian and that his death signaled the end of tragedy. I believe Nietzsche was saying that Euripides himself killed tragedy because of the changes he made, like altering the chorus and removing its significance. Anyway, the rest of the video was great!
Anyone know the ambient song in the background? It slaps
Woodstock was a 20thC Dionysian moment.
Honestly it all makes more sense if you're familair with mystic thought. People dismiss such things as woo, but like... Nietzsche's drawing from Schopenhauer, who was drawing from Hindu thought.
I read this book after writing an "opera"...ok...a "hip-hopera" ...and wow! how it resonated!
Don’t know much about Nietzsche’s work, apart from the effect it had on Deleuze, so this should be pretty interesting
I think it would be nice if you do Žižek's recent book about the coronavirus: PANDEMIC! Covid-19 Shakes the World.
Great video as always btw
Is that a good book?
This book I can barely remember although I remember thinking some of the statements about creating art in it I thought that is a bad and cruel argument!
This is a really good video. I learned a lot. I'm very happy that one of my undergraduate philosophy professors had us reading Hesiod and Euripides alongside the Greek thinkers as to contextualize a lot of their philosophies. Albeit, my professor came at it from Jean-Pierre Vernant's approach to tragedy, but now I understand Nietzsche's conception of Greek tragedy better.
Background noise made it a no go
oh boy
Is this book good for beginner philosophy student???
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO
I have read birth of tragedy and Zarathustra.
The rest are too much for my poor simian brain to understand.
I dunno, the stuff Nietzsche says about dionysian drunken stupor bringing us closer to self-dissolution and merging with the universe, sounds like he's justifying going on some mad benders. Not that I blame him, but knowing his life story, he could have used a little more apollonian judgement to balance it out
Thank God , i am not only one who thinks this.
Well, that's the point. The Apollonion and Dionysian must remain in tension, respectful distance.
You must have both.
I think a lot of it had to do with the people he was surrounded by at the time, i.e 19th century European academics of "polite society", a culture with extreme apollonian traits
Arguably, his entire childhood was ‘Apollonian.’ Beneath the Wheel by Herman Hesse gives a portrait.
the message and the messenger....not always in alignment, yet, the message has helped many! his message has helped me greatly, both in my art/music/writing and in my "recovery from catholic tyranny of the worst kind" ...I know how it feels to wrestle with the conflict....as do my screenplay characters...as heard in my music....as revealed in my art....as sweated out in my nightmares and daily dismay....triumph, tribulation, still yet....the will...to power...thrives within me!
As Bugs Bunny is to Daffy Duck
lets go
حد هنا من اسكندريه ؟
Is art really an intuition? Isn't it a manifestion and a concrete form though it can represent human intuitions?
Dionysus is brat and Apollo is very demure and mindful
Oh god
Is existentialism just footnotes to Nietzsche? 🤔
So in simple terms; there is a side to us that desires structure and regulation while the other desires playfulness and joy, irrespective of the consequences. Don’t need to read a 200 page abstract nonsensical book to inform me of that
So he just wants to run from the red pill and embrace all that of the blue pill....
There is no real world. The real world, beyond the cave, was Plato's idea and Nietzsche rejects it.
Im not sure its possible to really understand Nietzsche from a leftist framework.
Foucault and Deleuze did it! But I get what you mean. Nietzsche the Aristocratic Rebel is also worth a read.
@@socialswine3656 I honestly think both of those guys were just pretending. Same sort of thing as when Bill Gates pushes leftist crap.
BOT and GOM are my favorite FN texts.
His falling out with Wagner is an important point, perhaps you should contend with that in another video.
It boiled down to two basic disagreements:
1) Wagner's antisemitism
2) Wagner's Christianity and ethic of resignation.
Lol, what gives with the random racial/ethnic graph of anxiety/depression/stress at 8:58
WHY NOT ATHENA AND APHRODITE ?
my brain every time I hear "The Gay Science": 🌈
That’s right!
Bro it's a sin to use that background you are using to depict the philosophy of Nietzsche..😐
CASTOR AND POLLAX ARE TWINS
Dionysian good
Apollonian bad
bro get rid of that distracting ass background music