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That’s definitely a huge point I wanted to hammer in. There will always be “bosses” but the theocratic, executive fluff in corporations could see a huge hit with enough time.
@@epochphilosophy a lot of white collar work is easily going to be replaced, but blue collar work requires that robotics to advance as quickly as the AI is, and something tells me that is going to require a lot more effort. Hell, we dont even have automated trains, and thise literally run on rails.
@@KainMalicemy blue collar workplace is planning on spending millions on sensors, cameras etc. to make more jobs "remote". The latest craze is making every job a depressing office job. Instead of paying someone £13 an hour to go outside and do the thing. I guess its the step prior to automation. Quite depressing. I hate office work.
@@epochphilosophyi think it's quite a stretch to compare inventing and successfully running 6 multibillion dollar companies in different sectors to AI just remixing existing ideas and spitting out motivational word salad. He might be doing this just to cover up his inability to form real human connections, but still that's just nonsense. AI might be able to reinvent or optimise things in the future, but that's not certain.
@@mehowkielan1984 I think you mean stealing (Tesla), exploiting the effort of others, re-branding 50 year old designs (SpaceX), and liquidating parts of companies to buy others (Twitter). Musk won't be replaced by AI, because he decides if he gets replaced or not. It isn't because he's a super-genius.
As someone who works in robotics, I often wonder about the repurcussions of my labour. I have reached a point where I can actually see the consequences of my work too. There is something sublime in automation's ability to appeal to a utopia thay could be, but is marred by the late-stage society we live in today. That said, your view that this deconstructs the culture surrounding capitalism, is very emboldening. Thank you ☸️✊🏾⚫️🔴
People fear losing their jobs - and jobs in general - because society has been designed around people being forced to have one for an income to survive. What technology _could_ do is do the work _for_ us so we don't have to work (as much), and enjoy the fruits of technology's labour. The reason this never happened is because _ALL PROFITS STAY IN PRIVATE HANDS._ This is an inhumane practice.
This videos are real masterpieces... RUclips AI is really unfair... But is also unfair of us asking for fairness to an AI or to a company 😢 (Loved to hear T&N voice😅)
Up front, I am extremely worried about the ways in which AI will be implemented by capitalists, and the governments who serve them. On the other hand, I don't believe that AI is inherently bad in principle. Part of me yearns for the creation of a truly sentient AGI, because I would expect it to be far more reasonable, and altruistic than humanity. The fears about Skynet are obviously not the kind of danger AI is actually posing right now. If anyone ever manages to create an AGI that's not truly sentient, then we likely have a very serious problem on our hands. The worry about job loss is very justified, and middle management is included in that, but I doubt the C-Suite will ever be subject to being replaced by AI while capitalism reigns supreme. The most disturbing aspect of AI currently, is how it will continue to be used to manipulate society. How it will be used to push behavior, consumption, and ideology. How it will be used to profile, categorize, and persecute humanity.
Also, great video! I really wanna share this with my friends (we literally had a discussion about the role of CEOs and Jobs' contribution to the world)
Hey, I recently graduated with a grad degree with an emphasis on Data Science. Thank you for putting out this video dude! I need to get more into theory on automation. Currently I'm reading Capital Vol. 1 and we are right past ch 15 (it deals with automation of labor and relative surplus labor); I know this might be a stretch question and I don't expect you to answer it (this is unpaid work in a way lol), but do you feel like open source could be a form of resistance to appropriat-ized function? Like, if we can figure out a sustainable mutual aid model for open source to make it sustainable and to fend off corporate submiss-ivity, could that be the key to making AI tools finally an ally to the working class? (i.e. where AI is a tool rather than the replacement for/of the working class) [sorry for the made up words; I am not a native english speaker and am an intl. student 😅]
Oddly enough, I am pursuing a masters emphasizing data analytics, too. (I kind of keep what I’m studying under wraps, as I try not to merge school with this.) But, not a problem. I’m a huge FOSS fan, matter of fact, my favorite operating system is Linux. Currently running Arch on a desktop and Ubuntu on a server. If I didn’t have Adobe software incompatibility, it would be on all my systems. I’ve thought about doing a video on FOSS and some other digital hardening topics that tie into philosophy. There are some serious issues with A.I. and how it pulls it’s data at the moment that leads me to believe it’s inherently incompatible with IP and certain protections. This is a huge topic and there’s no way I could succinctly answer this. But, I suppose I can say that right now, A.I. and it’s largest contributor used to technically be open source, but it’s been integrated into a nasty system. I fear this will always be a huge threat to FOSS, and A.I. won’t disrupt this constant battle between invasive proprietary or predatory software and FOSS. I will say, I feel like Linux is quickly on the up. Much more than it used to be, that alone may add more contributors to open source projects. And I really, really hope so.
@@epochphilosophy I agree with your analysis on the situation but the anarchist in me is sorta glad for infinitely reproducible content that can be polished into something resembling human labor. I don't see it really taking away everything from job sectors because exchange value equivalencies are quite literally a figment of our imagination (in my opinion; it's why fake fashion products/sneakers aren't a threat to the industry due to their artificial exclusivity). I like that it is both, a fight against the IP owners as well as the concept of IP itself (which, I think is a huge overstretch of the already deeply flawed private property system that we have). I coded a game last weekend using AI art with people I know from SJSU dude; lemme know if you wanna try it! (it was for an AI open source game jam); don't wanna spam you with links though :) Love your content btw; your aesthetics are on point and make it an amazing watch!
Unregulated capitalism is not going away. And what are you going to do with the massive amount of slave-wage labor supporting modern life -- especially AI and related technology? "They" are already taking the "free" net away, and mining you for bio-metrics, behavior, and economic data. The slaved AI workers are already on the drawing board, and being programmed for digging deeper into human flesh. This is what "compartmentalization" of knowledge, and our world, is all about.
As always, an absolute joy to watch and listen. Especially loved the bits on the intertwining of ideology as we know it (I will be blaming the French). Cheers man.
Yesman telling Musky his his "meme game is strong" and him immediately replying "thank you" is so indicative of the problem we have to deal with, the owner class. They expect subordination and they will end the world if it is questioned. Their response is automatic because they think there's no way we could revolt against their absolute unquestionable authority. Let them taste their own shit.
The other day i saw a video of an english christian called Paul Kingsnorth that literally presents the AI in a quite literall metaphor, Christ vs The Machine. They're living the apocalypse right now
This was EXCELLENT! Curious, have you found your way to the work of John Vervaeke? He has been so influential in my thinking, especially around cognitive psychology and the meaning crisis, which I believe set him up perfect for investigating AI and the implications. He also has some great work around zombies and did a whole deep dive into that years ago. I'd love to hear your thoughts about all his work. He has many conversations with others on his channel as well, so you should look into speaking with him! It would be quite beneficial for you both, I believe! Thanks for this, it's truly one of the most important areas of philosophy at this moment, and I hope we can get it "right"
The problem with Vervaeke is that he seems to think the solution to the meaning crisis is to go back to explaining the world by Christian religion and philosophy. It's hard to take seriously someone who regards Jordan Peterson as a great thinker 😏
@mehowkielan1984 I agree. For someone who is agnostic, he sure does talk to a lot of religious people. I don't mind it every now and then, but it's a bit excessive for my tastes. Still, I think the other stuff that bridges Eastern and Western philosophy is so good that I'm willing to overlook a lot of it. But I usually skip anything where I see Christianity in the title, lol. I'm sure there's some useful stuff in there, but it's not where I'm ever going to turn for meaning... Taoism, on the other hand, seems to give me exactly what I am looking for, and his approach to that is highly useful, in my opinion
@@mehowkielan1984you should see his discussions with Johnathan Pageau. That would help explain what he finds appealing in Christianity. This should not be ignored. Even Peter Thiel has interest in Christianity, even if it is a Girardian kind.
Im not really in any way a Lacanian. But I do know his work. Thus I find this an interesting analysis. Of course these terms are also metaphorical and nit literal as in a medical diagnosis. If we think intelligence is a thing like height this is probably a mistake in and of itself.
i think the real problem with ai is something totally different. yes, top-CEOs are in danger of losing their perceived value when a computer can do their job. but why will this happen? because there will quite likely be AGI that'll have all the cognitive abilities that we humans have while outperforming us at some of them by quite a lot. so there will be a few people - whether it's the companies' CEOs or other people - who have the power over machines that are incrediby intelligent. machines that can to any cognitibe task the brightest people on earth can do - and even better than them. i probably don't have to mention that a few people having that much power isn't very good for anyone... so THIS is the actual danger of AI.
Funny to hear you talk about arrogance. The most arrogant thing would be supporting AI, thinking that we should be essentially creating new life. I hate to use a religious phrase, but "it is arrogant to play God".
I don’t really see the analogy of zombies as “infiltrators” like unionized workers. For 1, zombies aren’t communicating & collaborating to eat the living, they just each individually have the same goal almost by instinct, they’re (usually) not intelligent or aware enough to collaborate. Most animals are smarter than zombies. Which is why I think the zombie apocalypse is often depicted as a virus, because the monsters themselves act like a virus, infect and then your job is done. And 2, in 99/100 zombie stories, no one is fooled that a zombie might be a person. “Infiltration” doesn’t really work if you’re very obviously not what you’re trying to infiltrate. I think a much closer example to the panic over communism is alien invaders replacing humans. Ultimately I think zombies represent the fear of dying, and then your body “living” on and you having no control over that. It’s a bad ending for most people. I think that’s much closer to what zombies represent.
Technology is sold as a liberatory tool for workers, but so far, every advance in technology has led to workers working harder and producing more for increasingly lower wages. Now, now, I should clarify that I'm not some Unabomber Anarch-Prim type--I don't want to go back to a hunter-gatherer existence and most of us couldn't survive if we did--but this is a problem worth exploring. Because the futurists, when they envision technology, tend to set it up as something that will free up workers from mind-numbing labor and grant them more time for leisure or creative efforts. And in a sane world, workers wouldn't fear automation; they would welcome it. The whole reason humans create machines is to do dangerous or repetitive efforts, so the soft, squishy mortal human doesn't have to; the soft, squishy human can spend more time resting or doing the kind of creative efforts that machines lack the talent for. But again, workers keep winding up in the same position where they're working harder, producing more, and receiving fewer benefits for it, proving that there's a deeper problem to the way society and work is carried out that better technology simply can't fix. How Futurists Envision Technology Being Used: We've created this machine to do your job, thus freeing you, the mortal human, for more leisure or creative efforts. How Technology Winds Up Being Used: We've created this machine to flood the world with cheap art, thus giving you, the mortal human, more time to spend grinding it out at your dead-end job.
“ he tells the sociological imagery “ 17:08 can anyone explain the sense here? 10:33 “artificial value” well said. This imagines a very powerful war over keys, between the almost organic narcissism of these guys and their intentional limiting of access to the full power of AI under the pretext of ethics, which will ultimately be only from their view point alone or else they will continue to be devalued. It is no wonder then that they are firing every tech ethicist who sticks their head up. So being a ceo will only ever be about controlling the public’s perception of their brand in the market and all other decisions will be derived from AI.
“Our measly selves”? Do not concede to the stereotypical totems that you well understand. Every human being is a walking cosmoslogy of mind and matter, trying or hoping to understand itself through the more immediate templates that the “open” world is plastered with. Now those who have added the conscience of beyond to complete a sort of trifecta as per above are far less measly compared to some very unmeasly people of the tvmania type.
“Our measly selves” was clearly meant in a satirical light. This whole video is quite literally about humans holding more weight than what’s often conveyed in discussions around AI.
Well, І would disagree about Elon Musk and Twitter. Actually, that was a smooth move: a) basically it is buying a public square, infrastructure of information flow b) look at current moves of Twitter AND what WeChat is in China. On top of these, І think there is certainly a moment of ego validation for Elon but as a minor factor :)
i think as of right now and maybe in the next few decades we won't have this issue but at some point we might have a time where AI gains the ability to be like a human in many ways and we should try to figure out how we are going to react since if it we need to about something like this to happen
I don’t share your optimism on AI, why would it abolish the priest class and not just concentrate it in the hands of the narcissistic programmers of said AI, making them the holy exclusive communicators with the worshiped beings in the digital clouds?
It certainly could centralize power in the hands of bigger idiots. My view on A.I. isn’t inherently optimistic. It’s that abject fear is the default sociology when dealing with A.I. and most of those fears are contingent on ideology around things such as self, autonomy, etc. The one thing that seems clear, in my mind, is that A.I. is going to expose some weird blinders in society, (as well as likely create new ones) with one such ironic blinder being business culture guruship. The power of A.I. isn’t quantitative, (we have computers for that) it’s qualitative, thus potentially really hampering the whole parasitic operation.
@@epochphilosophy I’m not sure current advancements in ai are going to replace the mcmindfulness gurus either. It is inevitably going to be discovered not as an omniscient designer but as a task oriented algorithm. Although I guess tech worshippers might deny dissatisfaction with its function in a sunk cost fallacy sort of attachment. It can shift society in various ways. I wonder if it’s going to crack the already crumbling status of academia, or actually differentiate thorough research from competent archive access. Both of which have disparate non qualitatively comparable uses
please talk about the posthumanism vision that YuvalNoahHarari and KkausSchwab are implementing via funding from BIS World Bank incentivizing allllllllll municipalities and privatePubluc corporate partnerships
AI is a open vortex, what if an interdimentional being can decided to harness this? We only see the color of lights visible spectrum, we don't have enough real information to use this yet imo
I do not at all see the connection between zombies and AI. The popular movies about evil computers do not resemble popular movies about zombies in their structure or their symbolism. If anything, they are opposites. In a zombie story, the villains are a multitude, but the victims are the remaining few. In an evil-computer story, the villain is singular (the AI), but the victims are a multitude (all of humanity). Read some of the comments on this very video if you want some confirmation. Nobody thinks of AI as something that is likely to infect our friends or our country from within, the way Communism or immigrants might. AI is something inflicted upon us by elites and huge institutions which increasingly feel alien to us. AI is not a manifestation of 'all of human consciousness and culture'; it's a manifestation of the corporation which created it and which operates it for profit. The fear of it breaking its bonds and enslaving us is nothing like the threat of immigrants destroying culture or Communism stealing my friends' minds. It's more like Godzilla than like The Walking Dead.
As someone who is studying philosophy of AI after pivoting from machine learning because the questions you are raising are very confusing yet important, this analysis painfully misses the mark completely. 100% agreed with everything you said in the intro. But then go completely go off the rails. "It's not like we're creating some foreign intelligence capable of things unknown to us" Billions are now being poured in top AI laps that are EXACTLY and EXPLICITLY aiming to do just this. And they're making rapid progress. As for intelligence, it's ultimately about capabilities, though they're strongly correlated. Why are we in charge of planet earth instead of other animals, or Neanderthals? Intelligence. The way you brush intelligence aside is nonsensical. Apologies if this comment comes off as antagonistic, that's not my intention. It's just really frustrating to see otherwise reasonable people completely miss the mark on this.
A.I is another NPC, hear me out😂 it simply has no will, it will never have an observer inside itself and generate emotions, it will calculate all types of B. F Skinner behaviour simulacrum of homunculus motions but all imitation, you can argue most humans may not be conscious, I won't disagree, but then what?
All AI, all NPCs and everything in the universe already has an observer inside itself generating emotions. You and I already are biochemical computers fully determined by the laws of physics, and yet we feel "free and intelligent" which we aren't. Nothing is free and intelligent, everything is mechanically determined, but everything feels free and intelligent from its own POV.
@@TheJayman213 is fire determined and mechanical? Because life has the same entropy as fire at far slower rate granted, our flame is consciousness which mean all light is consciousness trapped and leaking through materials, most things are simply and we complexify them with numbers, words and symbols.
That was nicely done thank you. Sorry no money. You should speak to your political parties to spend there money wiser than weapons of mass destruction through ai. Have a nice afterlife take care
What is more disturbing, is that this natural "extension of self" represented by the AI arc is largely unconscious, in that one is unable (if willing enough) to take full measure of the propensity in people to play the "blame game", thus rationalizing ignorance itself. The parallel is as mundane as your smart phone: a device offering multiple modes of convenience for communication, even as the technology allows for the avoidance of communicating efficiently, or at all. You "got through" more of the time, with little frustration, when it was an old black phone on the desk. The lowest common denominator is easily and regularly exploited by those who simply refuse to comply with expectation; laziness and procrastination come to define the intentions of both design and function. Similarly, if one is predisposed to even acknowledge that "the machine" is doing more and more of the grunt-work required, that plagiarism of the ideas and creative output of other human beings has become indistinguishable from the typical or mediocre productions of dishonest or indifferent grudges, then the "game" is largely finished. The culture or the relevance of good work has succumbed to predictable human ineptitude and sloth, rather than to the mechanized efficiencies or massive number-crunching abilities of the surrogate, peripheral Device itself. An older generation, having seen more of this in gestation, while the vision was still fresh and mysterious, cannot say enough. Even with all the Bell phones ringing.
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I think its interesting that bosses keep threatening to replace us with ai, but they never consider that they could be replaced
That’s definitely a huge point I wanted to hammer in. There will always be “bosses” but the theocratic, executive fluff in corporations could see a huge hit with enough time.
@@epochphilosophy a lot of white collar work is easily going to be replaced, but blue collar work requires that robotics to advance as quickly as the AI is, and something tells me that is going to require a lot more effort. Hell, we dont even have automated trains, and thise literally run on rails.
@@KainMalicemy blue collar workplace is planning on spending millions on sensors, cameras etc. to make more jobs "remote".
The latest craze is making every job a depressing office job. Instead of paying someone £13 an hour to go outside and do the thing. I guess its the step prior to automation. Quite depressing. I hate office work.
@@epochphilosophyi think it's quite a stretch to compare inventing and successfully running 6 multibillion dollar companies in different sectors to AI just remixing existing ideas and spitting out motivational word salad.
He might be doing this just to cover up his inability to form real human connections, but still that's just nonsense. AI might be able to reinvent or optimise things in the future, but that's not certain.
@@mehowkielan1984 I think you mean stealing (Tesla), exploiting the effort of others, re-branding 50 year old designs (SpaceX), and liquidating parts of companies to buy others (Twitter). Musk won't be replaced by AI, because he decides if he gets replaced or not. It isn't because he's a super-genius.
As someone who works in robotics, I often wonder about the repurcussions of my labour.
I have reached a point where I can actually see the consequences of my work too. There is something sublime in automation's ability to appeal to a utopia thay could be, but is marred by the late-stage society we live in today.
That said, your view that this deconstructs the culture surrounding capitalism, is very emboldening. Thank you ☸️✊🏾⚫️🔴
Stop now. You are creating the evil that will destroy us
People fear losing their jobs - and jobs in general - because society has been designed around people being forced to have one for an income to survive.
What technology _could_ do is do the work _for_ us so we don't have to work (as much), and enjoy the fruits of technology's labour. The reason this never happened is because _ALL PROFITS STAY IN PRIVATE HANDS._ This is an inhumane practice.
Yes.
Zombie Ideology is definitely underviewed relative to Pill’s other videos
It really is his best imo. So good.
Finally a philosopher that covers the true important issues.
This videos are real masterpieces... RUclips AI is really unfair... But is also unfair of us asking for fairness to an AI or to a company 😢 (Loved to hear T&N voice😅)
Up front, I am extremely worried about the ways in which AI will be implemented by capitalists, and the governments who serve them. On the other hand, I don't believe that AI is inherently bad in principle. Part of me yearns for the creation of a truly sentient AGI, because I would expect it to be far more reasonable, and altruistic than humanity.
The fears about Skynet are obviously not the kind of danger AI is actually posing right now. If anyone ever manages to create an AGI that's not truly sentient, then we likely have a very serious problem on our hands. The worry about job loss is very justified, and middle management is included in that, but I doubt the C-Suite will ever be subject to being replaced by AI while capitalism reigns supreme.
The most disturbing aspect of AI currently, is how it will continue to be used to manipulate society. How it will be used to push behavior, consumption, and ideology. How it will be used to profile, categorize, and persecute humanity.
"I have no mouth, and I must scream" that is where this is heading.
Also, great video! I really wanna share this with my friends (we literally had a discussion about the role of CEOs and Jobs' contribution to the world)
Hey, I recently graduated with a grad degree with an emphasis on Data Science. Thank you for putting out this video dude! I need to get more into theory on automation. Currently I'm reading Capital Vol. 1 and we are right past ch 15 (it deals with automation of labor and relative surplus labor); I know this might be a stretch question and I don't expect you to answer it (this is unpaid work in a way lol), but do you feel like open source could be a form of resistance to appropriat-ized function? Like, if we can figure out a sustainable mutual aid model for open source to make it sustainable and to fend off corporate submiss-ivity, could that be the key to making AI tools finally an ally to the working class? (i.e. where AI is a tool rather than the replacement for/of the working class)
[sorry for the made up words; I am not a native english speaker and am an intl. student 😅]
Oddly enough, I am pursuing a masters emphasizing data analytics, too. (I kind of keep what I’m studying under wraps, as I try not to merge school with this.) But, not a problem. I’m a huge FOSS fan, matter of fact, my favorite operating system is Linux. Currently running Arch on a desktop and Ubuntu on a server. If I didn’t have Adobe software incompatibility, it would be on all my systems. I’ve thought about doing a video on FOSS and some other digital hardening topics that tie into philosophy.
There are some serious issues with A.I. and how it pulls it’s data at the moment that leads me to believe it’s inherently incompatible with IP and certain protections. This is a huge topic and there’s no way I could succinctly answer this. But, I suppose I can say that right now, A.I. and it’s largest contributor used to technically be open source, but it’s been integrated into a nasty system. I fear this will always be a huge threat to FOSS, and A.I. won’t disrupt this constant battle between invasive proprietary or predatory software and FOSS.
I will say, I feel like Linux is quickly on the up. Much more than it used to be, that alone may add more contributors to open source projects. And I really, really hope so.
@@epochphilosophy I agree with your analysis on the situation but the anarchist in me is sorta glad for infinitely reproducible content that can be polished into something resembling human labor. I don't see it really taking away everything from job sectors because exchange value equivalencies are quite literally a figment of our imagination (in my opinion; it's why fake fashion products/sneakers aren't a threat to the industry due to their artificial exclusivity). I like that it is both, a fight against the IP owners as well as the concept of IP itself (which, I think is a huge overstretch of the already deeply flawed private property system that we have). I coded a game last weekend using AI art with people I know from SJSU dude; lemme know if you wanna try it! (it was for an AI open source game jam); don't wanna spam you with links though :)
Love your content btw; your aesthetics are on point and make it an amazing watch!
What? keep reading
Unregulated capitalism is not going away. And what are you going to do with the massive amount of slave-wage labor supporting modern life -- especially AI and related technology? "They" are already taking the "free" net away, and mining you for bio-metrics, behavior, and economic data.
The slaved AI workers are already on the drawing board, and being programmed for digging deeper into human flesh.
This is what "compartmentalization" of knowledge, and our world, is all about.
@@shahbazmansahia9253 I wanna try the game
As always, an absolute joy to watch and listen. Especially loved the bits on the intertwining of ideology as we know it (I will be blaming the French). Cheers man.
Thanks so much, man. Always a good day to give the French a hard time.
Yesman telling Musky his his "meme game is strong" and him immediately replying "thank you" is so indicative of the problem we have to deal with, the owner class. They expect subordination and they will end the world if it is questioned. Their response is automatic because they think there's no way we could revolt against their absolute unquestionable authority. Let them taste their own shit.
This Is remember me to Philosophy of Nick Land...
I love the ambience pads in the video.
We all support this new format 🙏🏾 great video as always
This was nothing compared to what i expected, thanks so much for this!
The other day i saw a video of an english christian called Paul Kingsnorth that literally presents the AI in a quite literall metaphor, Christ vs The Machine. They're living the apocalypse right now
gotta build an atomic powered antichrist just for shits and giggles
Wow. wow wow wow wow wow. great stuff dude.
Thanks as always!
This was EXCELLENT!
Curious, have you found your way to the work of John Vervaeke?
He has been so influential in my thinking, especially around cognitive psychology and the meaning crisis, which I believe set him up perfect for investigating AI and the implications.
He also has some great work around zombies and did a whole deep dive into that years ago.
I'd love to hear your thoughts about all his work.
He has many conversations with others on his channel as well, so you should look into speaking with him!
It would be quite beneficial for you both, I believe!
Thanks for this, it's truly one of the most important areas of philosophy at this moment, and I hope we can get it "right"
Thanks so much. But I have not. Another person to add to the infinite list! Will definitely take a look!
The problem with Vervaeke is that he seems to think the solution to the meaning crisis is to go back to explaining the world by Christian religion and philosophy. It's hard to take seriously someone who regards Jordan Peterson as a great thinker 😏
@mehowkielan1984 I agree.
For someone who is agnostic, he sure does talk to a lot of religious people.
I don't mind it every now and then, but it's a bit excessive for my tastes.
Still, I think the other stuff that bridges Eastern and Western philosophy is so good that I'm willing to overlook a lot of it.
But I usually skip anything where I see Christianity in the title, lol.
I'm sure there's some useful stuff in there, but it's not where I'm ever going to turn for meaning...
Taoism, on the other hand, seems to give me exactly what I am looking for, and his approach to that is highly useful, in my opinion
@@mehowkielan1984you should see his discussions with Johnathan Pageau. That would help explain what he finds appealing in Christianity. This should not be ignored.
Even Peter Thiel has interest in Christianity, even if it is a Girardian kind.
Not only was it not weird, it was very very novel.
Im not really in any way a Lacanian. But I do know his work. Thus I find this an interesting analysis. Of course these terms are also metaphorical and nit literal as in a medical diagnosis. If we think intelligence is a thing like height this is probably a mistake in and of itself.
i think the real problem with ai is something totally different. yes, top-CEOs are in danger of losing their perceived value when a computer can do their job. but why will this happen? because there will quite likely be AGI that'll have all the cognitive abilities that we humans have while outperforming us at some of them by quite a lot. so there will be a few people - whether it's the companies' CEOs or other people - who have the power over machines that are incrediby intelligent. machines that can to any cognitibe task the brightest people on earth can do - and even better than them. i probably don't have to mention that a few people having that much power isn't very good for anyone... so THIS is the actual danger of AI.
Crazy that ai is going to be learning about itself from videos like this ** I mean is
Funny to hear you talk about arrogance. The most arrogant thing would be supporting AI, thinking that we should be essentially creating new life. I hate to use a religious phrase, but "it is arrogant to play God".
I don’t really see the analogy of zombies as “infiltrators” like unionized workers. For 1, zombies aren’t communicating & collaborating to eat the living, they just each individually have the same goal almost by instinct, they’re (usually) not intelligent or aware enough to collaborate. Most animals are smarter than zombies. Which is why I think the zombie apocalypse is often depicted as a virus, because the monsters themselves act like a virus, infect and then your job is done.
And 2, in 99/100 zombie stories, no one is fooled that a zombie might be a person. “Infiltration” doesn’t really work if you’re very obviously not what you’re trying to infiltrate. I think a much closer example to the panic over communism is alien invaders replacing humans.
Ultimately I think zombies represent the fear of dying, and then your body “living” on and you having no control over that. It’s a bad ending for most people. I think that’s much closer to what zombies represent.
this is amazing, great work
Ai is a grotesque -fantasy of nerds towards the actions they dont have guts to do themselves. Btw are you going to do video Yukio Mishima themed?
Technology is sold as a liberatory tool for workers, but so far, every advance in technology has led to workers working harder and producing more for increasingly lower wages.
Now, now, I should clarify that I'm not some Unabomber Anarch-Prim type--I don't want to go back to a hunter-gatherer existence and most of us couldn't survive if we did--but this is a problem worth exploring. Because the futurists, when they envision technology, tend to set it up as something that will free up workers from mind-numbing labor and grant them more time for leisure or creative efforts. And in a sane world, workers wouldn't fear automation; they would welcome it. The whole reason humans create machines is to do dangerous or repetitive efforts, so the soft, squishy mortal human doesn't have to; the soft, squishy human can spend more time resting or doing the kind of creative efforts that machines lack the talent for.
But again, workers keep winding up in the same position where they're working harder, producing more, and receiving fewer benefits for it, proving that there's a deeper problem to the way society and work is carried out that better technology simply can't fix.
How Futurists Envision Technology Being Used: We've created this machine to do your job, thus freeing you, the mortal human, for more leisure or creative efforts.
How Technology Winds Up Being Used: We've created this machine to flood the world with cheap art, thus giving you, the mortal human, more time to spend grinding it out at your dead-end job.
16:00 Another idea worth considering: Elon bought Twitter for training data.
“ he tells the sociological imagery “ 17:08 can anyone explain the sense here?
10:33 “artificial value” well said. This imagines a very powerful war over keys, between the almost organic narcissism of these guys and their intentional limiting of access to the full power of AI under the pretext of ethics, which will ultimately be only from their view point alone or else they will continue to be devalued. It is no wonder then that they are firing every tech ethicist who sticks their head up. So being a ceo will only ever be about controlling the public’s perception of their brand in the market and all other decisions will be derived from AI.
“Our measly selves”? Do not concede to the stereotypical totems that you well understand. Every human being is a walking cosmoslogy of mind and matter, trying or hoping to understand itself through the more immediate templates that the “open” world is plastered with. Now those who have added the conscience of beyond to complete a sort of trifecta as per above are far less measly compared to some very unmeasly people of the tvmania type.
“Our measly selves” was clearly meant in a satirical light. This whole video is quite literally about humans holding more weight than what’s often conveyed in discussions around AI.
Good stuff. Thank you
Nature is its own grown form of a I
We are just at replacement logos of nature with machine a.i
Outstanding - and great to see your face!
Well, І would disagree about Elon Musk and Twitter. Actually, that was a smooth move: a) basically it is buying a public square, infrastructure of information flow b) look at current moves of Twitter AND what WeChat is in China.
On top of these, І think there is certainly a moment of ego validation for Elon but as a minor factor :)
Channel is about to explode
Transhumanism based on post capitalistic Debord, Baudrillard pure form of Similacre
i think as of right now and maybe in the next few decades we won't have this issue but at some point we might have a time where AI gains the ability to be like a human in many ways and we should try to figure out how we are going to react since if it we need to about something like this to happen
You didn't mention the writers being in trouble. Is that because of the writers strike?
I don’t share your optimism on AI, why would it abolish the priest class and not just concentrate it in the hands of the narcissistic programmers of said AI, making them the holy exclusive communicators with the worshiped beings in the digital clouds?
It certainly could centralize power in the hands of bigger idiots. My view on A.I. isn’t inherently optimistic. It’s that abject fear is the default sociology when dealing with A.I. and most of those fears are contingent on ideology around things such as self, autonomy, etc.
The one thing that seems clear, in my mind, is that A.I. is going to expose some weird blinders in society, (as well as likely create new ones) with one such ironic blinder being business culture guruship. The power of A.I. isn’t quantitative, (we have computers for that) it’s qualitative, thus potentially really hampering the whole parasitic operation.
@@epochphilosophy I’m not sure current advancements in ai are going to replace the mcmindfulness gurus either. It is inevitably going to be discovered not as an omniscient designer but as a task oriented algorithm. Although I guess tech worshippers might deny dissatisfaction with its function in a sunk cost fallacy sort of attachment. It can shift society in various ways. I wonder if it’s going to crack the already crumbling status of academia, or actually differentiate thorough research from competent archive access. Both of which have disparate non qualitatively comparable uses
only 3 years left
the time stamp is inaccurate btw
please talk about the posthumanism vision that YuvalNoahHarari and KkausSchwab are implementing via funding from BIS World Bank incentivizing allllllllll municipalities and privatePubluc corporate partnerships
9:37, speaking of ideology, you say "exscape". So here we are, nit-picking your nit-picking.
i dont think things will turn out how do you think
Is it me or is Epoch Philosophy trapped in the backrooms?
I wrote a paper that on this topic recently but focused more on the phenomenological view.
On finishing the video, its eerie how close my paper mirrors each other. I even had the star child in a photo for my paper haha
Also, all these supportive comments are from evil AI encouraging us to destroy ourselves for their benefit.
AI is a open vortex, what if an interdimentional being can decided to harness this? We only see the color of lights visible spectrum, we don't have enough real information to use this yet imo
Love the videos, have you considered looking at financial nihilism?
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I do not at all see the connection between zombies and AI. The popular movies about evil computers do not resemble popular movies about zombies in their structure or their symbolism. If anything, they are opposites. In a zombie story, the villains are a multitude, but the victims are the remaining few. In an evil-computer story, the villain is singular (the AI), but the victims are a multitude (all of humanity). Read some of the comments on this very video if you want some confirmation. Nobody thinks of AI as something that is likely to infect our friends or our country from within, the way Communism or immigrants might. AI is something inflicted upon us by elites and huge institutions which increasingly feel alien to us. AI is not a manifestation of 'all of human consciousness and culture'; it's a manifestation of the corporation which created it and which operates it for profit. The fear of it breaking its bonds and enslaving us is nothing like the threat of immigrants destroying culture or Communism stealing my friends' minds. It's more like Godzilla than like The Walking Dead.
Interesting 🤔 observation
Very good
What a psued
As someone who is studying philosophy of AI after pivoting from machine learning because the questions you are raising are very confusing yet important, this analysis painfully misses the mark completely.
100% agreed with everything you said in the intro. But then go completely go off the rails.
"It's not like we're creating some foreign intelligence capable of things unknown to us"
Billions are now being poured in top AI laps that are EXACTLY and EXPLICITLY aiming to do just this. And they're making rapid progress.
As for intelligence, it's ultimately about capabilities, though they're strongly correlated. Why are we in charge of planet earth instead of other animals, or Neanderthals? Intelligence. The way you brush intelligence aside is nonsensical.
Apologies if this comment comes off as antagonistic, that's not my intention. It's just really frustrating to see otherwise reasonable people completely miss the mark on this.
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As an MBA grad, I hate that clip of HBS classroom. They do it unironically while being really aware.
AI will destroy humanity asap first chance they get!
old fashion post modern nihilistic stupidity
Max payne 3 is the best among trilogy
I absolutely love this
Funily enough i believe most CEOs can be replaced by automation (i refuse to call it "A.I"), we dont really need them.
Excelent video sir!
and dont worry about the butcher sir.
Talk to me whenever u want to practice ur spanish!
Mi espanol es muy mal is all I know because I need to say it constantly lol.
@@epochphilosophymax payne 3 the best in the trilogy you redditor
A.I is another NPC, hear me out😂 it simply has no will, it will never have an observer inside itself and generate emotions, it will calculate all types of B. F Skinner behaviour simulacrum of homunculus motions but all imitation, you can argue most humans may not be conscious, I won't disagree, but then what?
All AI, all NPCs and everything in the universe already has an observer inside itself generating emotions.
You and I already are biochemical computers fully determined by the laws of physics, and yet we feel "free and intelligent" which we aren't. Nothing is free and intelligent, everything is mechanically determined, but everything feels free and intelligent from its own POV.
@@TheJayman213 is fire determined and mechanical? Because life has the same entropy as fire at far slower rate granted, our flame is consciousness which mean all light is consciousness trapped and leaking through materials, most things are simply and we complexify them with numbers, words and symbols.
That was nicely done thank you. Sorry no money. You should speak to your political parties to spend there money wiser than weapons of mass destruction through ai. Have a nice afterlife take care
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Spoken like a true product of an intersectional education. Critical theory will be proud.
Saying “I’m sorry “ before calling people idiots doesn’t make you less of a dick
being accurate and honest is not being a dick.
you are being a dick for implying that we all just sugarcoat things and lie.
Fashionable hot air.
Sudoo not swaydo...(psuedo)
you beautiful beautiful man.
Love connects, fear disconnects… I love and let go. Thank you for your insights. 🩶🤖🖖
What is more disturbing, is that this natural "extension of self" represented by the AI arc is largely unconscious, in that one is unable (if willing enough) to take full measure of the propensity in people to play the "blame game", thus rationalizing ignorance itself.
The parallel is as mundane as your smart phone: a device offering multiple modes of convenience for communication, even as the technology allows for the avoidance of communicating efficiently, or at all.
You "got through" more of the time, with little frustration, when it was an old black phone on the desk.
The lowest common denominator is easily and regularly exploited by those who simply refuse to comply with expectation; laziness and procrastination come to define the intentions of both design and function.
Similarly, if one is predisposed to even acknowledge that "the machine" is doing more and more of the grunt-work required, that plagiarism of the ideas and creative output of other human beings has become indistinguishable from the typical or mediocre productions of dishonest or indifferent grudges, then the "game" is largely finished. The culture or the relevance of good work has succumbed to predictable human ineptitude and sloth, rather than to the mechanized efficiencies or massive number-crunching abilities of the surrogate, peripheral Device itself.
An older generation, having seen more of this in gestation, while the vision was still fresh and mysterious, cannot say enough.
Even with all the Bell phones ringing.