Imagine 5000 years from now, a curious archeologists will start wondering what happened to all those Nigerian Royals, and if any of them ever got the assistance they needed and asked for….
@@varyolla435 Well, at least some of them are valid! Just last week someone won 100K Euro in the EuroLottery, and in April the Powerball paid 1.33 billion US dollars to a winning ticket... So I guess the future archeologists will wonder why, if almost everyone won lotteries, why was there so much poverty? But then again, one doesn't have to be an archaeologist 5000 years from now to ask that question!
I love the 'Michigan Relics' story. The objects were so badly made and obviously fraudulent that basically every real archaeologist who laid eyes on them called them out as fakes right away. But Scotford and Soper were so good at flim-flam that they managed to carry on their scam for decades. They knew exactly what their marks wanted (audience participation, religious mysticism and just a dash of white supremacy) and served it up in spades. If they were around today, they'd probably have a Netflix show and a series of bestselling alt history books.
@@holdingpattern245 Most of them honestly look like they were made by kids for a school project. They're often hilariously bad. Only someone who really wanted to believe in them would have.
@@chrisball3778 Don't forget, in USA there were all kinds of things to show the "lost tribes" were here, they wanted to show a connection to the old testament of the Bible.
Yes. When one factors in when those fakes were "found" they see that from the late-19th Century to the earth 20th Century = _"Golden Age"_ of archeological forgeries. It was a period of supposed relics and other alleged proof of what was all the rage back then = pseudoscience. People back then ginned up all kinds of patent nostrums sold to rubes and quack therapies like hydrotherapy or magnetism etc.. There was a lot of excitement back then about supposed Eastern "esoterica" and other nonsense and hence people like Soper et al were simply trying to cash in much as today. Pseudoscience/history has been a business for a looong time now.
I'm reminded of reading about the problem with ancient Greek statues. The Romans loved those statues. There were only so many to go around though... And you see, as it turns out... the Romans are rather ancient to us as well, so when you find an ancient forgery of an ancient statue.... well, they're both genuinely ancient.
@@SalTarvitz It is. The romans had a literal mass-industry copying considerably older greek works. The majority of "ancient" greek style marble statues - dug up and sold as ancient - are copies done hundreds of years later for rich romans. It was an elite hobby to have these "greek" art pieces in your villa. And the copy-industry was highly profitable. They made far more all around the mediterranean for their 50 million people empire than the classical greek polis ever could.
Ah, the Vimanika Shastra, one of Ancient Alien's favorites. It's not just fraudulent in composition and background, but the mechanics and engineering inside are also completely unworkable and incapable of flight.
Thanks again for pointing out the ones for which experts were fooled. It again shows that once evidence shows forgeries/fabrications, historians, archeologists, etc. are able to change their minds unlike pseudo- experts who stick to their beliefs.
Well there is a lot if BS in academia as well. To give just one example, I study Japanese studies and prehistoric archaeology. So I once read a paper where the author argued that warfare in the japanese kofun period wasnt a thing and that the horse harnesses, dozens of suits of armour, hundreds of swords and thousands of arrows found in graves were not evidence of warfare but that warfare was absent and the weapons were merely ritual. Her arguments simply showed an extreme lack of understanding how weapons, armour and warfare work. For example, she argued that there could have been no cavalry, because a) the terrain on the japanese islands was too hilly for cavalry b) the MOUNTAIN Fortresses that heavy cavalry was used for in Korea (where the Japanese Horse came from) didnt exist in Japan so there was no need for cavalry (so in Korea, the horses could go up mountains, but in Japan they couldnt?) c) there could not have been light cavalry, because the japanese bow (that is for mounted archery today and is today about double the length of kofun period bows) in the kofun period was too large for mounted cavalry and one couldn't shoot forward over the horses head because of its size (and we all know that shooting sideways opens up a wormhole, so it out of the question too!?) and these are just some of her absurd arguments, and yet, this was published in a kind of high profile journal here in Germany.
@@jrojala Yeah, but a lot of people don't recognise that. The amount of arguments I had with people saying something like: "this was in a peer reviewed journal" as their main defense is crazy. Often if you critisize anything that was published in a journal, or a published study that is misinterpreted in the media or portrayed as argument in media, you are treated like a flat earther for critizising the holy and unfailible science. A lot of people today don't realize that there still are dogmas within science that are just as much belief systems as religions, that cannot be questioned without risking or loosing your career. I think it is important to point out that not everything published is fully agreed upon scientific consensus, and that even if it was scientific consensus, that still means it should be questioned. A 100 years ago it was scientific consensus that Asians are inferior to Europeans, or that women are hysteric because their uterus moves around in their body, or that the universe is static.
@@PropagandalfderWeiße- Is she still quoted as an authority? Or did others point out all the problems with her thesis and demonstrate how and why she was wrong? Academics are human, and they will do things for very human motivations. That's why there's peer review.
"And this is really the skull of Dschingis Khan?" "Absolutely." "And what about the smaller skull next to it?" "That is also the skull of Dschingis Khan, but when he was a child."
The forgers made these fakes to disprove any idea that Native Americans could be related to ancients., At the time, many had been persecuted for centuries and therefore often seeming unsuited to be the ancestors of those that built what the forgers knew of as structures and works found over the years. Prejudice and a lack of true imagination for the capabilities of their fellow humans that don't look like the forgers of the time showed in spades. Right?
Conspiracy? There's nothing mystical or mysterious about conspiracy. It's just a big word for people gang-up on other people. Happens every single day!
Yes, unfortunately, many Muslims do believe and argue about how authentic the Gospel of Barnabas is (and I'm a Muslim btw). I've read an Arabic translation of this gospel, translated by some Khaleel Sa'aadah, PhD (د. خليل سعادة) - in his lengthy introduction, the author or translator mentions some of the clues mentioned in this video beside other points; in conclusion, the author suggests that the original author was originally an Andalusian Jew, who converted to Christianity, but then became a Muslim (and he lists many points surrounding this theory).
How "authentic" is any gospel? None of the gospels that are canonical have known authors, and all of the copies we have show signs of being redacted. The thing about the Gospel of Barnabas is that it came several centuries after the 2nd and 3rd century gospels.
@@TheDanEdwards The four canonical gospels are at least from the 1st century, though later than they present themselves as being written. In the sense that secular scholarship is quite sure none of them were written by actual direct disciples of Jesus, none are authentic, but they certainly contain accurate writings to what the early Christian communities were believing and telling each other about Jesus' life and teachings, which is what matters most for Christians afterwards anyways. Can contrast them against several of Paul's letters included in the New Testament, a handful of which can be pretty confidently said to NOT have been written by Paul, are called forgeries because they claimed to come from him. The Gospels on the other hand do not claim authorship; it was during the canonization process that people drew conclusions based on context about which disciple makes most sense to have written them, thus giving them their names.
@@LoudWaffle the trouble with the gospels is that there are so many lies told of Jesus' 1st 30 years that it is difficult once one knows this to accept that anything else is true. From the journey to Bethlehem onward. Plus who witnessed said angel announcing to Miriam? that her baby was the messiah. A man, note, not the son of God but the son of Man. The christians invented the idea that the messiah was half god half man. Maybe the Greeks who wrote the gospels were more at home with this idea from all the similar heroes like Herakles and Achiles in their own mythology.
@@lenormand4967 "The Didache is the Q source" - no, at least that is not what Q proponents have presented. Q is alleged to be a composition of sayings (like the Gospel of Thomas.) The Didache is way too short to be Q.
Forgeries like the Michigan Artifacts, and the religious baggage that drives their spread, reminds me of a quote by the effervescent Dr. Justin Sledge of ESOTERICA "When we allow our faith to dictate our history, we fail both"
I appreciate your content. You and history for granite are how it should be. You gather data and facts and work forward. That is science. People who have an opinion and then work backwards from that, are spreading nonsense. That's not science.
38:45 Minor remark: "The Hounds of Tindalos" is not a short story by H.P. Lovecraft, but by Frank Belknap Long; it is a Lovecraftian story though, later included in the Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos anthology compiled by August Derleth. But I would add something: those lines seem to be taken directly from the Wikipedia article on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean... and I'm a bit suspicious of the claim? The Lovecraftian mythos stories didn't reach many readers in 1930 (and the two mentionned ones were published in 1929, very shortly before the publication of this forgery), Lovecraft was not a popular writer at the time, he would only gain celebrity years or even decades after his death in 1937. There were esoteric-minded people who were "inspired" by Lovecraft before that, this is true (some French surrealists in the 1950s, notably). So was he really an influence on Doreal? Was Doreal an avid reader of Weird Tales? Maybe, I don't know. But I'm a bit skeptical. The theosophical inspiration was enough, I think.
Would somebody who changed their name to DOREAL and channeled Thoth and wrote about Atlantis and Egypt and so on... would that guy, of all people, have read Weird Tales? IDK, but I wouldn't bet against it.
@@GizzyDillespee Oh, that's a possibility for sure. But I don't really buy the claim about "the burgeoning popularity of the tales of H.P. Lovecraft" *in 1930*.
@@welcometonebalia I have also seen the date for Doreal's Emerald Tablet given as 1939. 1930 is the date given in the description of an Internet Archive version but the text itself only says "Originally published in mimeographed form in the 1930s by a mysterious "Dr. Doreal," these writings quickly became an underground sensation among esotoricists of the time." in an uncredited introduction. No publication date given anywhere else. Doreal had a letter published in the October 1946 edition of Amazing Stories, he may have been a science fiction fan. Others have suggested that Tarzan at the Earth's Core (1930) was another inspiration. Jeb J Card's article is not linked in the Wikipedia page but can be found online. Sadly, they do not go into details. The only relevant part is "Doreal claimed his secret knowledge came from the ‘Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean’, a text allegedly found in the Great Pyramid of Giza, though there are clear borrowings in Doreal’s text from Lovecraft’s ‘The Dunwich Horror’ and Lovecraft circle author Frank Belknap Long in his ‘The Hounds of Tindalos’." Both Doreal and Long's works are available online, so could be compared.
It’s funny, in the 19th century many fiction writers wrote fantastic fiction in the mode of a found manuscript usually from a deceased relative. Jules Verne, Edgar Rich Burroughs and others did this often. It was an interesting style that even bled over into the early 20th century pulp fiction. I enjoyed many of these stories but they were obviously fiction with no intention be taken as real. Too bad some people try to go further. I was hoping you might mention the infamous “Voynich Manuscript which gets some mileage on the so called History Channel.
Would you include the Flashman chronicles in that genre? It was fiction based on real army reports of the 19th century (excellent and thoroughly un P.C.)
@@adrianblake8876 you can use old items to fake something in the current day. If I find 300yr old canvas, I'm on my way to faking a dutch master. Doesn't mean the whole thing is accurate just because the substrate is.
I was waiting for you to get to the donation of Constantine. I’m Syrian Orthodox so all of us not in communion with Rome have always doubted the donation of Constantine
Slight correction: HP Lovecraft did not write The Hounds of Tindalos, that was Frank Belknap Long. Certainly a friend of Lovecraft's, and Tindalos is generally regarded as part of what we now call the Cthulhu Mythos, but ultimately Lovecraft is not responsible for the Tindalos story. Lovecraft does mention them once or twice in his own works (his stance on knicking whole things direct from his friends, or anyone knicking his stuff in what would otherwise just be plagiarism, was quite laisse-faire.) Lovecraft also didn't see any great success or popularity until long, long after his death. Certainly not in the 1920's or 30's. I don't doubt that the Thoth Pyramid texts were inspired by Lovecrafts work, that's a distinct possibility, but saying that he had a "burgeoning popularity" is a stretch. The 1920's and 30's was probably the peak of his popularity in his lifetime (its when he was writing what are now his most well known stories) but he only really became a name the average person can be expected to know in the 1980's or 90's.
Omg the Michigan Relics and the RLDS church! That's my church. I'm 40 and I remember talking about the Michigan Relics when I was a kid, but only by the most fringe believers. Now we're known as the Community of Christ and our focus is peace and community building not crackpot archeology.
Enjoyable video! There are even some ancient Egyptian texts that pretend to be from far older periods, or copies of more ancient texts. Two of the most famous are the Shabaqo Stone (aka, the Memphis Theology) and the Famine Stela. Both claim they are from the Old Kingdom (and the Shabaqo Stone is even written in faux Old Egyptian, but not very well), but are from Dynasty 25 and the Ptolemaic Period respectively. Another interesting forgery are two "historical" scarabs that have an Egyptian text claiming to describe a Phoenician expedition that circumnavigated Africa on behalf of Neko II (and described by Herodotus); they were sold to the Museum Kunst & Geschiedenis in Brussels, where they are now. The text was later identified as a 19th century forgery based on the Story of the Shipwrecked Sailor and Hatshepsut's Punt reliefs. However, it turns out that the scarabs and their texts were made as a birthday gift for an Egyptologist (who knew they were fake), but when he died, his family sold them, thinking they were genuine.
That’s charming. You have to wonder how many “forgeries” will eventually make their way into museums from the collections of reenactors and history lovers.
@@mrjones2721- With any luck, methods of analysis will have advanced to the point that artifacts can be dated to within a few decades so that modern copies and creations can be distinguished from authentic items.
Some Spanish guy: brooo look I stole this from the Vatican Guy 2: whoa but how’d you do it without getting caught?? Guy 1: uhhhhhh the pope was, asleep. Yeah
Honestly, I think sometimes people just get so excited about potentially discovering something that they overlook any red flags. Especially experts that have worked their whole lives to find something potentially life-changing.
I do agree that it helps... unfortunately, the very act of doing this opens his videos up to become training data for AI impersonation. So far, they've been focusing on bigger celebrities🤪 but all it takes is 1 person to want to try. I don't think it would pay off for a forger to make a fake WoA videos, for example in order to legitimize their wares, because a forged video would be discovered, and once word got around, it would leave no doubt about the artifacts in question.
Then there are what might be called reverse forgeries, like the Mormon alleged translation of the so-called "Book of Abraham." The papyrus is real, the "translation" is fake.
Love your videos, I would be grateful if you made videos on central asia- its probably the most underdiscussed and underappreciated regions of the world with a great ancient heritage and its people a mixture of various ancestral populations
Same here. It was behind the iron curtain for so long, and it's a vast area that wasn't always only yurts and nomads. Some of the most interesting areas are still ruled by dictatorships, warlords and/or religious zealots. But at least some isn't... right?!🤣
I haven't watched the video in full, but I couldn't help but notice that the section on the Michigan relics is almost entirely quoted from Wikipedia, but jumping around sections and changing the wording a bit.
You presentation is very relaxed, soothing and without sensationalism. Generously supplied with pics. Well done. Much appreciated. Liked and subscribed.
Reminds me a case when a Czech archeologist near Prague found a gypsum statue of a Persian godess Anahita, hinting a possible merchant connection between until then unrelated regions. A lot was made of the vagina carved in the lower part of the statue. Maybe two weeks later, they anounced that it was in fact a gypsum plaster statue of a "naughty nun", made in numbers by a local artisan circa 1920. This was revealed by his grandson who had several more in his possesion.
Not sure if I would call Voynich a "forgery", as it doesn't try to emulate anything known. It's made to look "mysterious", but it's not pretending to be written by someone previously known or from any previously known culture.
Before I converted to Christianity (Syrian Antiochian Orthodox) I was Sunni Muslim and we (me and friends at the masjid) always used to claim that The Gospel of Barnabas was the true gospel even though none of us ever read it. LOL
Hey man your a real piece of work, thank you for this type of content .. something to hear instead of the usual listening stuff. One question who is Academia? I'm sorry don't know a better way to ask that.. is it one governing board or panel ? Is it a multilevel corporation or just a collective of well educated communities who are self governing and policing? Help
really enjoyed this dr miano - curious if you considered including the book of jasher? it’s a fairly influential text in some very unpleasant circles, treated as if it carries rhetorical same authority as the Bible itself
nothing wrong with the book as long as you think of it as what it is - a late-medieval rabbinic midrash written in surprisingly good pseudo-Biblical Hebrew
that’s fair, i just know it’s used by modern christian identity groups to justify some pretty heinous ideology and THEY treat it as if it’s the original text referenced in genesis
A fascinating subject. I think it is brilliant that you treat all the subjects that normal archeology doesn't bring to people. It's a mistake to leave all these great mysteries only for the unschooled. While there can be a value to non academic views, it is really better if both are available for everyone. That is what you do here. It's badly needed. You are the first opening the mysteries to the public instead of avoiding them. A story about a fake is still a great mystery from which lots can be learned.
In a local university there is the case of a sword that at first seemed to be authentic. It's shape was correct. It was bent in a way that was common for burials. But when the metal was analysed it turned out to be very modern. What makes this mysterious is that it was not placed anywhere where you would expect a forgery to be placed. It wasn't anywhere near an excavation or a place where you could guess an excavation would take take place. Almost like someone created it for his own amusement and threw it away when he was bored by it. Which is strange given how well made a forgery it was. It was pure chance that it was found at all. It is still on display in the archives.
If you do a follow-up, maybe the Historia Augusta, or the "Old Script" version of the Book of Documents. Or the Classical attempts to understand Bronze Age history.
Slight bit of buzzing noise in parts of the vid. Sounds pretty uniform though, if you use the Audacity noise removal feature I bet it could successfully remove it. Loved the content 👍
An excellent question. According to a 2011 study, the surfaces of the incisions show chemical changes that take centuries to form, meaning it couldn’t be a recent forgery. It’s currently accepted as real.
@@mrjones2721 OK, thank you! It had been dismissed back when I studied as forged for the reason that the etymon of "fecit" would be "fheked" and not "fhefhaked" ... well, doublets pretty much are a thing in linguistics ...
@@hglundahl I don't know about the verb form, but one neat thing is the second name. Scholars said it looked fake. Then in 1999 there was a new, definitely authentic find of an inscription containing the name Numasiana, which confirmed that Numasioi was a valid name.
@@hglundahl This is the best explanation I’ve found: On pg. 23 n. 2 I mention Hartmann's vindication of the genuineness of the Praenestine fibula and its inscription. This famous inscription (MANIOS MED FHE:FHAKED NVMASIOI), if genuine, would be our single oldest piece of Latin. Hartmann-to the extent that I am qualified to judge-seems to make a good case that the scientific testing supposedly proving the falsity of the document was flawed or inconclusive, but the form NVMASIOI still seemed a bit of a problem. Numasios would appear to be the ancestor of praenomen Numerius, but Numerius if related to numerus 'number' should go back to *numesios vel. sim. So either (1) Numasios is not the ancestor of Numerius, (2) Numerius has nothing to do with numerus, or (3) the fibula is a fake. Possibilities (1) and (2) are perfectly plausible, so no strong argument against the genuineness of the inscription can be drawn from the form NVMASIOI, but recent developments have put to rest any doubts about this name. Through the kindness of Rex Wallace I've been informed about a recently published archaic Etruscan inscription on an aryballos from the "area ceretana" bearing the inscription (Poetto and Facchetti 2009:369): mi mlac mlakas larθus elaivana araθia numasianas ‘io (sono) il buon/bel (vaso) oleario di Araθ Numasiana per il buon Larθu’. The form numasianas supports Numasios and makes it certain that Numasios is unconnected with numerus. Poetto, Massimo and Giulio Facchetti, 2009. L’aryballos di Araθ Numasiana. Oebalus 4:365-384.
I was wondering if the Gospel of Barnabas would be included. It may be genuine, just not what it is purported to be. If examined as a late medieval/early Renaissance text, it wouldn’t be considered a fake. It’s when it is claimed to be ancient that it is entirely a fake. When I was first introduced to it, it was compared to “the gospel of Tom Sawyer”, written by Saint Mark Twain. It has a historical value, just not the one purported. It’s kind of like a Schrodinger’s text, being authentic and a forgery simultaneously, depending solely on when you attribute its writing.
I came here after I watched that crazy fella Billy Carson on Joe Rogan... He wrote a whole book about this Emerald tablets🤣🤣 I knew he was full of it, but not to this extent. 🤣
As far as the Jesus wife thing, if I'm not mistaken, that name was actually common for that time. It could just be some random dude named Jesus' wedding announcement 😂
"Shastri, who was apparently endowed with certain 'mystical powers...'" **looks at the illustrations again** Apparently, in his clairvoyance, he predicted the release of Spelljammer 70 years early.
Thank you for the information and your videos! Kind FYI, There is a weird noise around 40 minutes into your video going for about 2 minutes (I have tried multiple devices).
The world of fake but now antique stuff is really fascinating. My parents owned an antique store at one time and I grew up with a general appreciation for stuff that comes from just beyond living memory. The last 200ish years more or less. I love all the fake stuff people made back then. They might have been bull at the time, but now have their own stories to tell and it is fascinating. edit: btw, when I say fake I'm not necessarily talking about frauds. The people of the past liked replicas and stuff just made to look old just like we do today.
my Latin teacher once forged a tablet with a friend's help while working as an archeologist. She made it to fool her boss who was way too full of himself. She even went to the trouble of explaining to him why it was legitimate lol.
It should be noted that in regards to the "Michigan artifacts" that area is a heavily christian area with many bizaare Jehovah's witness splinter cults. A very culty area stewing in its own fantasies.
Baalbek trilithon has no anchor holes like the other giant blocks had for dragging, i think woodstacking, counter balance movements and dirt stacking outside of the woodstack to support the weight being raised safely.
Ehat is with cults being obsessed with both Hermes and Thoth, between Happy Science and the White Lodge I really wonder why those two deities seem to pop up un cults more than others in their pantheons
As someone who is LDS (Mormon) I want to assure you that we don't all believe such hokum. I believe my religion enriches my life, and I understand people often feel some kinda way about the book of mormon, but for me it helps me live a better life, and I do believe it's a truly inspired book and record of things that happened. What I don't need to do is prove this to anyone else, forcibly convert them, or make up pseudo-archaeological fakes to try and "prove" how real it was. I believe it will become clear in time, and I don't believe in tricking or forcing people to believe anything, or trying to scientifically convince you of the BoM's veracity because, well, I can't. And that's ok. You can choose not to believe the same as me, for any reason, and as long as you treat me as you want to be treated (as I try to do myself), that's also ok ❤
Then there is the grand-daddy of them all. The Historia Augusta, a Latin text written in the early 5th century by a single author, claiming to be written during the early 4th century by six authors, about the Roman emperors of the late 2nd and 3rd centuries. Fake biographies, full of references to fake documents, quoting fake historians, and even making up fake emperors. The author even has the fake historians disagreeing with each other about a fake fact he has made up. This text deserves an episode on its own. Some of the stories about the emperors are simply mind-boggling...
Hearing about the Thoth, King of Atlantis stuff and realising I /recognised it/ from a series of bonkers movies by an apparently-unrelated Japanese cult was easily one of the weirdest connections I’ve heard in a RUclips video. Starting to wonder how much of that cult’s lore was borrowed from stuff like this now.
For a few watching, who are inclined to give credence to assertions made by Hancock, I believe that this video will undoubtedly give them pause, and cause them to reevaluate how they think about the overarching claim he makes. There are enough parallels with multiple entries discussed in this video, and the ideas that Hancock puts forth, that I feel it is inevitable that a few people will, desiring truth and that they have intellectually honest views about history, be compelled to go over his claims, with a more skeptical, or critical intent than they might have previously. I can't pretend to claim this belief as factually correct, but given that channels like this one do help people to get out of woo rabbit holes, I am optimistic that the parallels being so numerous, are going to be the fertile soil in which little seeds of doubt will flourish. I have not heard of most of these, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about them. Thank you for the work that you put into bringing the known factual information about these things, to the lay public.
Thanks for this extensive history of fakes! Enjoyed it more than expected, your smile while debunking is showing the fun of the fact hunter. However, would love to hear more details of a single story really -I find it fascinating how archaelogist try to find their way to what happened -knowing, their body of knowledge is imperfect-how do they consider the probabilities of two thesis against each other to come to solid conclusions? Why is one given authority and the other called fake? The story of the shard was delightful in that respect. „Fake“ is such a simple idea but reality is sometimes so complex, mixing many shades of grey into a story. Let‘s take a fictional example of a sumerian tablet is found in meso america in 1000BCE- what would an archeologist consider to find valid conclusions?
I guess it's like the "Piltdown man" - even though scientists said right away that if was a fake and within a year, published papers about that, it hung on so long because people really wanted to believe it. No Out-of-Africa for the Brits! ---------- Charles Dawson did not just fake Piltdown man, but had lots of others under his belt. He would make a great episode. There's a good starter article at the "Museum of Natural History" UK.
To be fair, Linear A and B tablets were often pretty crude, too. They were the ancient Cretan equivalent of scratch paper, so the writing was often large and messy. I can see people briefly being taken in by the fakes.
I don't want to seem picky, but H. P. Lovecraft did not write The Hounds of Tindalos. Frank Belknap Long did. August Derleth later included it in the Cthulhu Mythos.
48:39 Dr. Miano, if I may, the quran indeed calls Jesus « the messaiah » as a name, but does not recognize him as the messiah, with the same signification of the word in the Christian belief. In the Quran, Issa (jesus, messiah) says: "And [remember] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you, confirming what is before me of the Torah and giving good tidings of a messenger to come after me, his name is Ahmad." Which might explain why muslim scholars would celebrate the text.
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Imagine 5000 years from now, a curious archeologists will start wondering what happened to all those Nigerian Royals, and if any of them ever got the assistance they needed and asked for….
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That and all the "lottery" winners.......
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Well, at least some of them are valid!
Just last week someone won 100K Euro in the EuroLottery, and in April the Powerball paid 1.33 billion US dollars to a winning ticket...
So I guess the future archeologists will wonder why, if almost everyone won lotteries, why was there so much poverty?
But then again, one doesn't have to be an archaeologist 5000 years from now to ask that question!
O my God. And even giving out Phd's for filling in the gaps
That's what bothers me a little bit, it's all digital, we are not leaving anything for the archaeologists to find in 5000 years...
I love the 'Michigan Relics' story. The objects were so badly made and obviously fraudulent that basically every real archaeologist who laid eyes on them called them out as fakes right away. But Scotford and Soper were so good at flim-flam that they managed to carry on their scam for decades. They knew exactly what their marks wanted (audience participation, religious mysticism and just a dash of white supremacy) and served it up in spades. If they were around today, they'd probably have a Netflix show and a series of bestselling alt history books.
He didn't even kiln fire them, for God's sake.
There's a sucker born every minute?
@@holdingpattern245 Most of them honestly look like they were made by kids for a school project. They're often hilariously bad. Only someone who really wanted to believe in them would have.
@@chrisball3778 Don't forget, in USA there were all kinds of things to show the "lost tribes" were here, they wanted to show a connection to the old testament of the Bible.
Yes. When one factors in when those fakes were "found" they see that from the late-19th Century to the earth 20th Century = _"Golden Age"_ of archeological forgeries. It was a period of supposed relics and other alleged proof of what was all the rage back then = pseudoscience.
People back then ginned up all kinds of patent nostrums sold to rubes and quack therapies like hydrotherapy or magnetism etc.. There was a lot of excitement back then about supposed Eastern "esoterica" and other nonsense and hence people like Soper et al were simply trying to cash in much as today. Pseudoscience/history has been a business for a looong time now.
I'm reminded of reading about the problem with ancient Greek statues.
The Romans loved those statues. There were only so many to go around though...
And you see, as it turns out... the Romans are rather ancient to us as well, so when you find an ancient forgery of an ancient statue.... well, they're both genuinely ancient.
Except that's not remotely true and a convient tool to propagate fakes
@@SalTarvitz Pointing out fakes was the point
@@SalTarvitz Except the Romans indeed copied many Greek statues. I've worked in a museum once with many Roman copies of Greek artifacts.
Genuinely ancient, but some are copies of others' work. These were done for commercial reasons rather than to mislead people.
@@SalTarvitz It is.
The romans had a literal mass-industry copying considerably older greek works.
The majority of "ancient" greek style marble statues - dug up and sold as ancient - are copies done hundreds of years later for rich romans.
It was an elite hobby to have these "greek" art pieces in your villa. And the copy-industry was highly profitable. They made far more all around the mediterranean for their 50 million people empire than the classical greek polis ever could.
Ah, the Vimanika Shastra, one of Ancient Alien's favorites. It's not just fraudulent in composition and background, but the mechanics and engineering inside are also completely unworkable and incapable of flight.
unknown tecknology they were using. too advanced to comp.
@@R0GUER0CKif you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
I can't believe I learned this from a Titan of all things.
@@WerewolfEmerson "Titan"? Who or what is that?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Its OPs profile pic. Its a faction from the Universal Century of Gundam.
Thanks again for pointing out the ones for which experts were fooled. It again shows that once evidence shows forgeries/fabrications, historians, archeologists, etc. are able to change their minds unlike pseudo- experts who stick to their beliefs.
Yes - they cling to those fabricated beliefs like grim death!
Well there is a lot if BS in academia as well. To give just one example, I study Japanese studies and prehistoric archaeology. So I once read a paper where the author argued that warfare in the japanese kofun period wasnt a thing and that the horse harnesses, dozens of suits of armour, hundreds of swords and thousands of arrows found in graves were not evidence of warfare but that warfare was absent and the weapons were merely ritual. Her arguments simply showed an extreme lack of understanding how weapons, armour and warfare work.
For example, she argued that there could have been no cavalry, because
a) the terrain on the japanese islands was too hilly for cavalry
b) the MOUNTAIN Fortresses that heavy cavalry was used for in Korea (where the Japanese Horse came from) didnt exist in Japan so there was no need for cavalry (so in Korea, the horses could go up mountains, but in Japan they couldnt?)
c) there could not have been light cavalry, because the japanese bow (that is for mounted archery today and is today about double the length of kofun period bows) in the kofun period was too large for mounted cavalry and one couldn't shoot forward over the horses head because of its size (and we all know that shooting sideways opens up a wormhole, so it out of the question too!?)
and these are just some of her absurd arguments, and yet, this was published in a kind of high profile journal here in Germany.
@@jrojala Yeah, but a lot of people don't recognise that. The amount of arguments I had with people saying something like: "this was in a peer reviewed journal" as their main defense is crazy.
Often if you critisize anything that was published in a journal, or a published study that is misinterpreted in the media or portrayed as argument in media, you are treated like a flat earther for critizising the holy and unfailible science.
A lot of people today don't realize that there still are dogmas within science that are just as much belief systems as religions, that cannot be questioned without risking or loosing your career. I think it is important to point out that not everything published is fully agreed upon scientific consensus, and that even if it was scientific consensus, that still means it should be questioned. A 100 years ago it was scientific consensus that Asians are inferior to Europeans, or that women are hysteric because their uterus moves around in their body, or that the universe is static.
@@PropagandalfderWeiße- Is she still quoted as an authority? Or did others point out all the problems with her thesis and demonstrate how and why she was wrong?
Academics are human, and they will do things for very human motivations. That's why there's peer review.
Noah's illustrated "diary" tablet, found in Michigan, is the funniest thing I've heard in awhile.
The fact America is nowhere in the Bible never sat well with exceptionalists...
@@vaiyt- That's when some get creative and claim that the Old Testament kings and heroes were in what is now the United States.
Why didnt the aliens do a better job on the forgeries? Quality seems to be a universal problem
it was probably vampires they usually excel in forgeries
“Oh my goodness, ancient paradigm shattering relics that completely change the history of mankind as we know it!”
“You wanna buy like 40 of ‘em?”
"And this is really the skull of Dschingis Khan?"
"Absolutely."
"And what about the smaller skull next to it?"
"That is also the skull of Dschingis Khan, but when he was a child."
@@HappyBeezerStudios lol!
There's a noticeable buzzing sound at a few points in the video that make it harder to listen to.
40:08 - 41:23
52:54 - 53:54
54:13 - 54:21
55:04 - 55:16
Ohh yeah, that's bad.
Sounds like a grounding problem that may have been on the recording though, so idk if it's fixable?
I heard that too, I wonder what caused it. Sounded like some weird electrical stuff going on
Fix please 😮
I was looking for this comment, I thought my phone broke 😭
To be fair in ancient race did once inhabit michigan, they were Native Americans
I hate how people even to this day won't believe in Aboriginal society in the Americas, it always has to be some people from the east.
The forgers made these fakes to disprove any idea that Native Americans could be related to ancients., At the time, many had been persecuted for centuries and therefore often seeming unsuited to be the ancestors of those that built what the forgers knew of as structures and works found over the years. Prejudice and a lack of true imagination for the capabilities of their fellow humans that don't look like the forgers of the time showed in spades. Right?
Surely you mean tall, angelic, white Lemurians or something similar?
No it was the lizard people
Amaru Khans
This video is a lifesaver in the fraudulent seas of modern conspiracy, thanks for all you do
I agree.
Conspiracy? There's nothing mystical or mysterious about conspiracy. It's just a big word for people gang-up on other people. Happens every single day!
Yes, unfortunately, many Muslims do believe and argue about how authentic the Gospel of Barnabas is (and I'm a Muslim btw). I've read an Arabic translation of this gospel, translated by some Khaleel Sa'aadah, PhD (د. خليل سعادة) - in his lengthy introduction, the author or translator mentions some of the clues mentioned in this video beside other points; in conclusion, the author suggests that the original author was originally an Andalusian Jew, who converted to Christianity, but then became a Muslim (and he lists many points surrounding this theory).
How "authentic" is any gospel? None of the gospels that are canonical have known authors, and all of the copies we have show signs of being redacted. The thing about the Gospel of Barnabas is that it came several centuries after the 2nd and 3rd century gospels.
@@TheDanEdwards The four canonical gospels are at least from the 1st century, though later than they present themselves as being written. In the sense that secular scholarship is quite sure none of them were written by actual direct disciples of Jesus, none are authentic, but they certainly contain accurate writings to what the early Christian communities were believing and telling each other about Jesus' life and teachings, which is what matters most for Christians afterwards anyways.
Can contrast them against several of Paul's letters included in the New Testament, a handful of which can be pretty confidently said to NOT have been written by Paul, are called forgeries because they claimed to come from him. The Gospels on the other hand do not claim authorship; it was during the canonization process that people drew conclusions based on context about which disciple makes most sense to have written them, thus giving them their names.
@@TheDanEdwards
The Didache is the Q source and precedes all the others. These were produced as teaching manuals.
@@LoudWaffle the trouble with the gospels is that there are so many lies told of Jesus' 1st 30 years that it is difficult once one knows this to accept that anything else is true. From the journey to Bethlehem onward. Plus who witnessed said angel announcing to Miriam? that her baby was the messiah. A man, note, not the son of God but the son of Man. The christians invented the idea that the messiah was half god half man.
Maybe the Greeks who wrote the gospels were more at home with this idea from all the similar heroes like Herakles and Achiles in their own mythology.
@@lenormand4967 "The Didache is the Q source" - no, at least that is not what Q proponents have presented. Q is alleged to be a composition of sayings (like the Gospel of Thomas.) The Didache is way too short to be Q.
Forgeries like the Michigan Artifacts, and the religious baggage that drives their spread, reminds me of a quote by the effervescent Dr. Justin Sledge of ESOTERICA
"When we allow our faith to dictate our history, we fail both"
Big ups to Dr. J.
Sledge, on a related note, makes a reasonable argument that the Voynich Manuscript is a forgery, but that it's a medieval or early modern forgery.
I appreciate your content. You and history for granite are how it should be. You gather data and facts and work forward. That is science. People who have an opinion and then work backwards from that, are spreading nonsense. That's not science.
Sorry but that's not what science says. And the best logic is deduction! mhmm
Just stumbled onto this channel. Excellent work and discourse.
It's a fantastic channel. Glad you made it here
38:45 Minor remark: "The Hounds of Tindalos" is not a short story by H.P. Lovecraft, but by Frank Belknap Long; it is a Lovecraftian story though, later included in the Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos anthology compiled by August Derleth.
But I would add something: those lines seem to be taken directly from the Wikipedia article on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean... and I'm a bit suspicious of the claim? The Lovecraftian mythos stories didn't reach many readers in 1930 (and the two mentionned ones were published in 1929, very shortly before the publication of this forgery), Lovecraft was not a popular writer at the time, he would only gain celebrity years or even decades after his death in 1937. There were esoteric-minded people who were "inspired" by Lovecraft before that, this is true (some French surrealists in the 1950s, notably). So was he really an influence on Doreal? Was Doreal an avid reader of Weird Tales? Maybe, I don't know. But I'm a bit skeptical. The theosophical inspiration was enough, I think.
Would somebody who changed their name to DOREAL and channeled Thoth and wrote about Atlantis and Egypt and so on... would that guy, of all people, have read Weird Tales?
IDK, but I wouldn't bet against it.
Hmm thank you for pointing that out.
@@GizzyDillespee Oh, that's a possibility for sure. But I don't really buy the claim about "the burgeoning popularity of the tales of H.P. Lovecraft" *in 1930*.
@@welcometonebalia I have also seen the date for Doreal's Emerald Tablet given as 1939. 1930 is the date given in the description of an Internet Archive version but the text itself only says "Originally published in mimeographed form in the 1930s by a mysterious "Dr. Doreal," these writings quickly became an underground sensation among esotoricists of the time." in an uncredited introduction. No publication date given anywhere else.
Doreal had a letter published in the October 1946 edition of Amazing Stories, he may have been a science fiction fan. Others have suggested that Tarzan at the Earth's Core (1930) was another inspiration.
Jeb J Card's article is not linked in the Wikipedia page but can be found online. Sadly, they do not go into details. The only relevant part is "Doreal claimed his secret knowledge came from the ‘Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean’, a text allegedly found in the Great Pyramid of Giza, though there are clear borrowings in Doreal’s text from Lovecraft’s ‘The Dunwich Horror’ and Lovecraft circle author Frank Belknap Long in his ‘The Hounds of Tindalos’." Both Doreal and Long's works are available online, so could be compared.
@@pattheplanter Thank you.
Very interesting. Do you have any examples that were thought to be fakes but turned out to be real?
It’s funny, in the 19th century many fiction writers wrote fantastic fiction in the mode of a found manuscript usually from a deceased relative. Jules Verne, Edgar Rich Burroughs and others did this often. It was an interesting style that even bled over into the early 20th century pulp fiction. I enjoyed many of these stories but they were obviously fiction with no intention be taken as real. Too bad some people try to go further.
I was hoping you might mention the infamous “Voynich Manuscript which gets some mileage on the so called History Channel.
Would you include the Flashman chronicles in that genre? It was fiction based on real army reports of the 19th century (excellent and thoroughly un P.C.)
The Voynich Manuscript is real, but the story behind it is a lot more mundane than the conspiracy theory.
@@francisnopantses1108 riiiight, like her chest is REAL because some surgeon put them there? Voynich is a fake.
@@Crossword131 It was carbon dated to the 15th century, how is it a fake!?
@@adrianblake8876 you can use old items to fake something in the current day. If I find 300yr old canvas, I'm on my way to faking a dutch master. Doesn't mean the whole thing is accurate just because the substrate is.
Another captivating vid. Thanks!
Thank you too!
Thanks!
And thank you!
I was waiting for you to get to the donation of Constantine.
I’m Syrian Orthodox so all of us not in communion with Rome have always doubted the donation of Constantine
@@tecumsehcristero Agreed. What is the use of dredging up minor deceptions and avoiding the greatest deception in history.
??? it was covered in the video.
This was a great video, i have no idea this didn't show up in my feed, videos like this need to go viral
Thank you for continuing to be entertaining AND educational.
One day some archeologist will find my ancient spoof texts that were fake on one of my old throwaway phones 😂😂
Great video! Would you consider doing a follow up on more examples or important examples of recent finds that are not forgeries?
Slight correction: HP Lovecraft did not write The Hounds of Tindalos, that was Frank Belknap Long. Certainly a friend of Lovecraft's, and Tindalos is generally regarded as part of what we now call the Cthulhu Mythos, but ultimately Lovecraft is not responsible for the Tindalos story. Lovecraft does mention them once or twice in his own works (his stance on knicking whole things direct from his friends, or anyone knicking his stuff in what would otherwise just be plagiarism, was quite laisse-faire.)
Lovecraft also didn't see any great success or popularity until long, long after his death. Certainly not in the 1920's or 30's. I don't doubt that the Thoth Pyramid texts were inspired by Lovecrafts work, that's a distinct possibility, but saying that he had a "burgeoning popularity" is a stretch. The 1920's and 30's was probably the peak of his popularity in his lifetime (its when he was writing what are now his most well known stories) but he only really became a name the average person can be expected to know in the 1980's or 90's.
Omg the Michigan Relics and the RLDS church! That's my church. I'm 40 and I remember talking about the Michigan Relics when I was a kid, but only by the most fringe believers. Now we're known as the Community of Christ and our focus is peace and community building not crackpot archeology.
Was raised in the LDS church my entire life. Began to see common sense around late teens to mid 20’s.
Are there any Faith/Religious groups that _still_ support the authenticity of these artifacts?
Makes it hard to decipher unknown languages when half the texts are fake.
Enjoyable video! There are even some ancient Egyptian texts that pretend to be from far older periods, or copies of more ancient texts. Two of the most famous are the Shabaqo Stone (aka, the Memphis Theology) and the Famine Stela. Both claim they are from the Old Kingdom (and the Shabaqo Stone is even written in faux Old Egyptian, but not very well), but are from Dynasty 25 and the Ptolemaic Period respectively. Another interesting forgery are two "historical" scarabs that have an Egyptian text claiming to describe a Phoenician expedition that circumnavigated Africa on behalf of Neko II (and described by Herodotus); they were sold to the Museum Kunst & Geschiedenis in Brussels, where they are now. The text was later identified as a 19th century forgery based on the Story of the Shipwrecked Sailor and Hatshepsut's Punt reliefs. However, it turns out that the scarabs and their texts were made as a birthday gift for an Egyptologist (who knew they were fake), but when he died, his family sold them, thinking they were genuine.
That’s charming. You have to wonder how many “forgeries” will eventually make their way into museums from the collections of reenactors and history lovers.
@@mrjones2721- With any luck, methods of analysis will have advanced to the point that artifacts can be dated to within a few decades so that modern copies and creations can be distinguished from authentic items.
WOW, thanks Dr. Miano. I had no idea that this sort of thing was happening so far back into the past.
Some Spanish guy: brooo look I stole this from the Vatican
Guy 2: whoa but how’d you do it without getting caught??
Guy 1: uhhhhhh the pope was, asleep. Yeah
I figure in 1000 years archaeologist will be digging up our places of worship a place called McDonald’s of the great golden arches😂
Honestly, I think sometimes people just get so excited about potentially discovering something that they overlook any red flags. Especially experts that have worked their whole lives to find something potentially life-changing.
Using your own likeness and voice on camera destroys the whole AI counterfeit history narrative. Keep it up.
Just wait until the AI gets better
I do agree that it helps... unfortunately, the very act of doing this opens his videos up to become training data for AI impersonation. So far, they've been focusing on bigger celebrities🤪 but all it takes is 1 person to want to try.
I don't think it would pay off for a forger to make a fake WoA videos, for example in order to legitimize their wares, because a forged video would be discovered, and once word got around, it would leave no doubt about the artifacts in question.
Yeah this channel has really good ai.
Stop fearmongering against AI.
Makes me wonder what separates forgeries from divinely inspired writings... Loved the episode!
Exactly
Hmmmmmmm.....^_^
Usually about 1000 years
This video is fantastic! It satisfies my taste for history and archaeology as well as mystery novels.Keep up the good work, Prof. Miano.
Then there are what might be called reverse forgeries, like the Mormon alleged translation of the so-called "Book of Abraham." The papyrus is real, the "translation" is fake.
Love your videos, I would be grateful if you made videos on central asia- its probably the most underdiscussed and underappreciated regions of the world with a great ancient heritage and its people a mixture of various ancestral populations
Same here. It was behind the iron curtain for so long, and it's a vast area that wasn't always only yurts and nomads. Some of the most interesting areas are still ruled by dictatorships, warlords and/or religious zealots. But at least some isn't... right?!🤣
Great show! Fascinating what people will do for a buck.
The idea of an accidental forgery like the Darius thing is so fascinating, I've never even thought of that possibility before.
I haven't watched the video in full, but I couldn't help but notice that the section on the Michigan relics is almost entirely quoted from Wikipedia, but jumping around sections and changing the wording a bit.
You presentation is very relaxed, soothing
and without sensationalism.
Generously supplied
with pics.
Well done.
Much appreciated.
Liked and subscribed.
Thanks, and welcome!
Reminds me a case when a Czech archeologist near Prague found a gypsum statue of a Persian godess Anahita, hinting a possible merchant connection between until then unrelated regions. A lot was made of the vagina carved in the lower part of the statue. Maybe two weeks later, they anounced that it was in fact a gypsum plaster statue of a "naughty nun", made in numbers by a local artisan circa 1920. This was revealed by his grandson who had several more in his possesion.
Excellent presentation as always, thankyou David....Davenport Tablets, Kensington Stone and that old humbug the Voynich are well worth inclusion.
Not sure if I would call Voynich a "forgery", as it doesn't try to emulate anything known. It's made to look "mysterious", but it's not pretending to be written by someone previously known or from any previously known culture.
@@contrarian8870I see your point, but then what would you call it? It can't be a forgery....a fake?
Thank you for such a thorough and straightforward discussion of this very fascinating topic!
you are becoming onr of the better you tuber right now
Outstanding episode Dr.Miano.
Before I converted to Christianity (Syrian Antiochian Orthodox) I was Sunni Muslim and we (me and friends at the masjid) always used to claim that The Gospel of Barnabas was the true gospel even though none of us ever read it.
LOL
Only *genuine* people can make a great *forgery* 😊
Thanks Interesting content today. 👍❤
Hey man your a real piece of work, thank you for this type of content .. something to hear instead of the usual listening stuff. One question who is Academia? I'm sorry don't know a better way to ask that.. is it one governing board or panel ? Is it a multilevel corporation or just a collective of well educated communities who are self governing and policing? Help
It’s the last one.
really enjoyed this dr miano - curious if you considered including the book of jasher? it’s a fairly influential text in some very unpleasant circles, treated as if it carries rhetorical same authority as the Bible itself
nothing wrong with the book as long as you think of it as what it is - a late-medieval rabbinic midrash written in surprisingly good pseudo-Biblical Hebrew
that’s fair, i just know it’s used by modern christian identity groups to justify some pretty heinous ideology and THEY treat it as if it’s the original text referenced in genesis
A fascinating subject. I think it is brilliant that you treat all the subjects that normal archeology doesn't bring to people.
It's a mistake to leave all these great mysteries only for the unschooled.
While there can be a value to non academic views, it is really better if both are available for everyone. That is what you do here. It's badly needed. You are the first opening the mysteries to the public instead of avoiding them.
A story about a fake is still a great mystery from which lots can be learned.
Great video!! Thank you!
Thank you, Dr. David! Please link me up to your vid on the real Emerald Tablet 🥰 thank you.
ruclips.net/video/Kae-_pq7jU8/видео.html
Thank you!!
In a local university there is the case of a sword that at first seemed to be authentic. It's shape was correct. It was bent in a way that was common for burials. But when the metal was analysed it turned out to be very modern. What makes this mysterious is that it was not placed anywhere where you would expect a forgery to be placed. It wasn't anywhere near an excavation or a place where you could guess an excavation would take take place. Almost like someone created it for his own amusement and threw it away when he was bored by it. Which is strange given how well made a forgery it was. It was pure chance that it was found at all.
It is still on display in the archives.
If you do a follow-up, maybe the Historia Augusta, or the "Old Script" version of the Book of Documents. Or the Classical attempts to understand Bronze Age history.
Might wanna check the writing on that Rahotep statue, in the middle of a museum. It doesn't look like the Old Kingdom representations at all...
Slight bit of buzzing noise in parts of the vid. Sounds pretty uniform though, if you use the Audacity noise removal feature I bet it could successfully remove it. Loved the content 👍
Some of the marks on the Michigan "relics" look like they were made with golf tees.🤣
Amazing video thank you for your hard work
40:08 is when the Buzzing starts there Dr.David.
I went back to see when the buzzing ended. Turns out its not so bad , it doesnt last long
You or someone else should do timestamps with the name of each of the fake artifacts.
Yeah this is painful to try and return to the video and show someone a certain part...
0:08 Manios med fhefhaked Numasioi ...
* real some time before I studied
* fake when I studied
still fake or real again?
An excellent question. According to a 2011 study, the surfaces of the incisions show chemical changes that take centuries to form, meaning it couldn’t be a recent forgery. It’s currently accepted as real.
@@mrjones2721 OK, thank you!
It had been dismissed back when I studied as forged for the reason that the etymon of "fecit" would be "fheked" and not "fhefhaked" ... well, doublets pretty much are a thing in linguistics ...
@@hglundahl I don't know about the verb form, but one neat thing is the second name. Scholars said it looked fake. Then in 1999 there was a new, definitely authentic find of an inscription containing the name Numasiana, which confirmed that Numasioi was a valid name.
@@mrjones2721 Numasios would be Numerius ...
@@hglundahl This is the best explanation I’ve found:
On pg. 23 n. 2 I mention Hartmann's vindication of the genuineness of the Praenestine fibula and its inscription. This famous inscription (MANIOS MED FHE:FHAKED NVMASIOI), if genuine, would be our single oldest piece of Latin. Hartmann-to the extent that I am qualified to judge-seems to make a good case that the scientific testing supposedly proving the falsity of the document was flawed or inconclusive, but the form NVMASIOI still seemed a bit of a problem. Numasios would appear to be the ancestor of praenomen Numerius, but Numerius if related to numerus 'number' should go back to *numesios vel. sim. So either (1) Numasios is not the ancestor of Numerius, (2) Numerius has nothing to do with numerus, or (3) the fibula is a fake. Possibilities (1) and (2) are perfectly plausible, so no strong argument against the genuineness of the inscription can be drawn from the form NVMASIOI, but recent developments have put to rest any doubts about this name.
Through the kindness of Rex Wallace I've been informed about a recently published archaic Etruscan inscription on an aryballos from the "area ceretana" bearing the inscription (Poetto and Facchetti 2009:369):
mi mlac mlakas larθus elaivana araθia numasianas
‘io (sono) il buon/bel (vaso) oleario di Araθ Numasiana per il buon Larθu’.
The form numasianas supports Numasios and makes it certain that Numasios is unconnected with numerus.
Poetto, Massimo and Giulio Facchetti, 2009. L’aryballos di Araθ Numasiana. Oebalus 4:365-384.
What do you think about "Veda slovena"?
I was wondering if the Gospel of Barnabas would be included. It may be genuine, just not what it is purported to be. If examined as a late medieval/early Renaissance text, it wouldn’t be considered a fake. It’s when it is claimed to be ancient that it is entirely a fake.
When I was first introduced to it, it was compared to “the gospel of Tom Sawyer”, written by Saint Mark Twain. It has a historical value, just not the one purported. It’s kind of like a Schrodinger’s text, being authentic and a forgery simultaneously, depending solely on when you attribute its writing.
I came here after I watched that crazy fella Billy Carson on Joe Rogan... He wrote a whole book about this Emerald tablets🤣🤣 I knew he was full of it, but not to this extent. 🤣
As far as the Jesus wife thing, if I'm not mistaken, that name was actually common for that time. It could just be some random dude named Jesus' wedding announcement 😂
"Shastri, who was apparently endowed with certain 'mystical powers...'"
**looks at the illustrations again** Apparently, in his clairvoyance, he predicted the release of Spelljammer 70 years early.
Why is there a weird buzzing sound at the end of the video?
Thank you for the information and your videos! Kind FYI, There is a weird noise around 40 minutes into your video going for about 2 minutes (I have tried multiple devices).
See @boredman567 comment for additional details on the buzzing. :)
I wonder if you might look into covering "The Kolbrin" in a future presentation.
The world of fake but now antique stuff is really fascinating. My parents owned an antique store at one time and I grew up with a general appreciation for stuff that comes from just beyond living memory. The last 200ish years more or less. I love all the fake stuff people made back then. They might have been bull at the time, but now have their own stories to tell and it is fascinating.
edit: btw, when I say fake I'm not necessarily talking about frauds. The people of the past liked replicas and stuff just made to look old just like we do today.
my Latin teacher once forged a tablet with a friend's help while working as an archeologist. She made it to fool her boss who was way too full of himself. She even went to the trouble of explaining to him why it was legitimate lol.
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Pandit is pronounced like the word pundit. Not pon deet 43:47
Ah, okay.
Great job as always.
40:09 the fly is gettin in on the conversation
Glad you came I dnt believe in aliens but I was starting to wonder if maybe it could be true,thanks
It should be noted that in regards to the "Michigan artifacts" that area is a heavily christian area with many bizaare Jehovah's witness splinter cults. A very culty area stewing in its own fantasies.
But what about the lizard people
Cease your investigation immediately
Dr. Miano did a collaboration video on that with Trey the Explainer on his channel. It's a very good watch.
Baalbek trilithon has no anchor holes like the other giant blocks had for dragging, i think woodstacking, counter balance movements and dirt stacking outside of the woodstack to support the weight being raised safely.
Fantastic compilation
Ehat is with cults being obsessed with both Hermes and Thoth, between Happy Science and the White Lodge I really wonder why those two deities seem to pop up un cults more than others in their pantheons
As someone who is LDS (Mormon) I want to assure you that we don't all believe such hokum. I believe my religion enriches my life, and I understand people often feel some kinda way about the book of mormon, but for me it helps me live a better life, and I do believe it's a truly inspired book and record of things that happened.
What I don't need to do is prove this to anyone else, forcibly convert them, or make up pseudo-archaeological fakes to try and "prove" how real it was. I believe it will become clear in time, and I don't believe in tricking or forcing people to believe anything, or trying to scientifically convince you of the BoM's veracity because, well, I can't. And that's ok. You can choose not to believe the same as me, for any reason, and as long as you treat me as you want to be treated (as I try to do myself), that's also ok ❤
Cool video, covers a lot of ground! 😮
Another great video..
Then there is the grand-daddy of them all. The Historia Augusta, a Latin text written in the early 5th century by a single author, claiming to be written during the early 4th century by six authors, about the Roman emperors of the late 2nd and 3rd centuries. Fake biographies, full of references to fake documents, quoting fake historians, and even making up fake emperors. The author even has the fake historians disagreeing with each other about a fake fact he has made up. This text deserves an episode on its own. Some of the stories about the emperors are simply mind-boggling...
You should cover the authenticity controversy around Revalations.
Hearing about the Thoth, King of Atlantis stuff and realising I /recognised it/ from a series of bonkers movies by an apparently-unrelated Japanese cult was easily one of the weirdest connections I’ve heard in a RUclips video. Starting to wonder how much of that cult’s lore was borrowed from stuff like this now.
is the Atlantis story from Plato a fake story?
I am a layman but I think it is a real historical document.
Can you have a fake story?
Zionists have faked many things in palestine to justify its colonization but he wouldn't talk about it
@@curiositycloset2359 - Isn't that just fiction given you can have a true story?
its a real story from Plato and not a later forgery
For a few watching, who are inclined to give credence to assertions made by Hancock, I believe that this video will undoubtedly give them pause, and cause them to reevaluate how they think about the overarching claim he makes.
There are enough parallels with multiple entries discussed in this video, and the ideas that Hancock puts forth, that I feel it is inevitable that a few people will, desiring truth and that they have intellectually honest views about history, be compelled to go over his claims, with a more skeptical, or critical intent than they might have previously.
I can't pretend to claim this belief as factually correct, but given that channels like this one do help people to get out of woo rabbit holes, I am optimistic that the parallels being so numerous, are going to be the fertile soil in which little seeds of doubt will flourish.
I have not heard of most of these, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about them.
Thank you for the work that you put into bringing the known factual information about these things, to the lay public.
Thank you so much. It is a fascinating area.
"accidentally forgery" is wild to learn about
Thanks for this extensive history of fakes! Enjoyed it more than expected, your smile while debunking is showing the fun of the fact hunter.
However, would love to hear more details of a single story really -I find it fascinating how archaelogist try to find their way to what happened -knowing, their body of knowledge is imperfect-how do they consider the probabilities of two thesis against each other to come to solid conclusions? Why is one given authority and the other called fake?
The story of the shard was delightful in that respect.
„Fake“ is such a simple idea but reality is sometimes so complex, mixing many shades of grey into a story.
Let‘s take a fictional example of a sumerian tablet is found in meso america in 1000BCE- what would an archeologist consider to find valid conclusions?
The irony of advertising AI upscale pictures when talking about historical forgeries
Those first forged tablets... absurd, how could anyone be fooled by that?
He briefly touched on it, but I think the motivated reasoning of white supremacy had a big part in it
@@cedaremberrwhite supremacy is the root of so much charlatanry.
I guess it's like the "Piltdown man" - even though scientists said right away that if was a fake and within a year, published papers about that, it hung on so long because people really wanted to believe it. No Out-of-Africa for the Brits!
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Charles Dawson did not just fake Piltdown man, but had lots of others under his belt. He would make a great episode. There's a good starter article at the "Museum of Natural History" UK.
To be fair, Linear A and B tablets were often pretty crude, too. They were the ancient Cretan equivalent of scratch paper, so the writing was often large and messy. I can see people briefly being taken in by the fakes.
Do a part 2, please. You could discuss the letter of Pilatus describing Christ.
I don't want to seem picky, but H. P. Lovecraft did not write The Hounds of Tindalos. Frank Belknap Long did. August Derleth later included it in the Cthulhu Mythos.
48:39 Dr. Miano, if I may, the quran indeed calls Jesus « the messaiah » as a name, but does not recognize him as the messiah, with the same signification of the word in the Christian belief. In the Quran, Issa (jesus, messiah) says:
"And [remember] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you, confirming what is before me of the Torah and giving good tidings of a messenger to come after me, his name is Ahmad."
Which might explain why muslim scholars would celebrate the text.
Ah, thank you for pointing that out.