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There really is alot of interesting history post war. Media and schools make it seem like "ww1-vacuum-ww2" but the first world war completely changed the shape of the next 2 decades
Adrian Goodman in the UK alone we have almost 2000 years of recorded history. Schools don't have time to cover everything that happened and so they have to select the periods with significant events, but what to select? Is the Reformation more important than the Agricultural Revolution? As for the media they tend to only cover periods that will attract an audience, or periods that mirror current events.
I find the interwar period to be very interesting. Especially the political landscape. I do agree that it sometimes get played down far to much. Often just summed up as the Roaring 20's and Great Depression. But I think this has a bit to do with American Centrism as well as trying to gloss over the less pretty sides of the post war era like the first red scare mention in this video. Of course the complexity of the era does not make it easy to actually sum things up. With a simple thing like the Russian Civil War actually being far from simple with muliple sides fight. From International intervention from both the Allies and a Collation lead by the Germans and it allies. To nationalist that want to break away from Russia. To the multitude of different ideological driven faction. And some not ideological drive to.
I have come to the conclusion that the First World War and its immediate aftermath have shaped the modern world perhaps more than any event in history. The Second World War, the Cold War, America as the dominant force in the world, day to day politics, and the list goes on, stem from those 4 years. I think its neglected due to a combination of factors. In no small part, the era is so complicated and multifaceted it takes a long time to even develop a basic understanding. In part it's also due to schools always having to teach to the slowest kid in the room and a lot of the teachers not being too swift either.
+Jonathan Green I absolutely agree. I tried, in vain, to address this topic to my local school board, who is only concerned with numbers and not actually instilling valuable knowledge and wisdom into youth. I personally believe that history is the most important subject in education because it gives the citizens of a society context, necessary context, on where they came from, who they are, when things happened, why society is the way it is and how things came to be the way they are. It allows citizens to have perspective as well, to see what life was like in the past and the hardships people lived through, to appreciate what they have and to understand the mistakes of those who came before them. If we cannot learn from the past, we will repeat the very same mistakes. Fundamentally, society cannot progress in a healthy, productive manner if history is cast aside. Teaching history must be true to the nature of history, completely unrated. Suppressing history, censoring history or compressing history serves no purpose except to maintain a status quo. Yes, it can be said that in a standard education, history cannot be taught in an effective way because there is not enough time in a school year, let alone in a school day, between all the other subjects that must also be crammed into the heads of impressionable youth. That is true. So why not restructure the way education is organized? Unfortunately, such suggestions are not looked upon with any favorability.
@Ryan Borganson Especially back then, when the state fought the unions actively, the unions where the statists, and the state tried to protect the workers from the state.
@@Battleschnodder The capitalist state protects the capitalist bosses. Yesterday and today. Only the reformist think the capitalist state can be an organ of workers power. The libertarians see the protection of private property as the only right that needs protection. The protection of the right to own property to exploit others, business secrets and to make only money exchanges is what they are all about.
I think this is one of those topics where knowledge of it is heavily dependent on which region and school one went to. Coastal schools in northern affluent areas tended to go over it, but the more central/rural/southern you go, the less likely it is to be part of the curricula.
If you actually read the report you would see there was a lot more evidence then the flags which was a deeper argument then just their color. As usual this channel distorts history and I'm glad it was demonitized.
There's still a red scare in the U.S. Except it is against anyone who is labeled as "leftist", even if it is against people on the left who are still in favor of democracy and capitalist-economy.
Well you do have popular morons like crowder and shapiro who label anything to the left of them as being marxists and communists so its definitely there. But you also have ridiculous stuff like claims that senator illhan Omar literally has ties to al qaeda which is completely unsubstantiated
I *love* the musical intro/animation for these post-1918 episodes. It's exciting and gets me pumped for the events I'm about to learn. Great work by the music / animation team!
I've been hearing a lot of people speak glowingly of McCarthy lately. Given how we are increasingly seeing backlash to the jump in economic disparity and shift to 'gig economy', it probably will not be too much longer till we see a bigger backlash to that. One could even argue the MAGA movement essentially is part of a 'red scare' since much of the rhetoric reads along those lines.
Steel Worker: "Can we get better pay, or a day off, my back hurts, and I would like to see my children." Elbert H. Gary: "No" Steel Workers: *Strike* Media and other CEOs: "Look at all those Communists!" So it was Communist to request better work conditions and protest when a clearly unfair answer was given. What the hell happened to us after Versailles. I mean damn!
@@hihu7200 The North was founded on a different kind of slavery, importing large numbers of poor, low-skill immigrants from Europe and then keeping them poor until they or their children are assimilated and find better employment. They then moved on to another group to repeat every 20 - 30 yrs. Abolishing slavery and the rise of unions broke this cycle, to which the industrialist just moved the factories instead of the workers, to Mexico and overseas. Modern day American economic might is based upon military power and having the world reserve currency and oil in the USD. But it is burning thru that wealth (well actually concentrating it at the top) built up over 2 centuries.
He did not mention that Steelworkers were required to work 8 12 hour days a week. Yes 8 12 hour periods in a 7 day week, thus the worker had to work one day a week for 24 straight hours. No extra pay, no over time pay, just work.
It IS communist to demand better work conditions. That's what communism is all about in fact. The overthrow of capitalism and the establishment of working class control over the means of production is a means to achieve and ensure better working conditions for all. Indeed, they are the means for the universal liberation of humanity. THAT is the goal of communism.
If I were planning a Bolshevik overthrow of the US in 1919 and didn't want people to know about it, I would TOTALLY tell people not to read the comments.
Just found this channel! What an amazing content it is. As Russian/Latvian I love your non-biased approach. In today's world we must drop nationalities, learn from history and be one nation - plant earth nation. So much respect goes out to the tea of this channel. People like you should be writing history books for schools, not biased, local "historians".
As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said "No trespassin'" But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me! This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the Redwood Forest, to the Gulf Stream waters This land was made for you and me - Woody Guthrie
Even though a beauitful poem it lacks in understanding what private property is and what it does. It is not something we should give up without understanding it first. Private property means that someone owns the property, which means he or she has complete control of that property which means no one else is allowed to do anything there which they disagree with. So lets say you own a house and you own the property its on, no one else can start a landfill in your back yard because you own it, nor can they start mining for coal beneath your house nor have yoko ono singing solos on your back yard 5 days a week. I can not do anything on that property which you disagree with, the only way for me to be allowed to use your land for something is if we signed a contract on it where it specified what it was i was allowed to do and what you wanted in return for it.
@@daniellassander Hey, I appreciate the reply. Why I chose this particular part of the song was because of the critique Guthrie levels at private property and how selling of land to private owners in the US has stolen a beautiful and bountiful land that could be shared by all for the benefit of everyone; and which has instead been consolidated into the hands of private interests to the detriment of all.
@@daniellassander Also, I think it's important to distinguish between private and personal property. There is a common misunderstanding in today's political climate that's being peddled on purpose by bad-faith actors that claim that the left wants to come for your property. However, this is not the common way of thinking in leftist circles. The idea rather is that goods procured by you through your own labour is yours to own and do with as you please (personal ownership); but that goods, land, and tools of production should not be privately managed as this leads to consolidation of wealth and unjustly hinders the rest of society to benefit. Examples here are natural resources, roads, land etc. which should be publicly owned and managed by collectively organized and democratically elected bodies that are made up by members of the community that are relevant for this common resource.
It was a pretext to destroy labor. Used by media propaganda and brute force to do so. Which it succeeding in for over a decade, until the 30's when it reformed after the depression. The book 'fall of the house of labor' is great on this subject.
@@VRSVLVS And it never would/will. But the proletariat is allowed to throw tantrums and get pacifying crumbs thrown to it by condescending and/or naive politicians.
Another superb episode from @thegreatwar. I enjoy watching documentaries about this underreported period from history. It tends to be overshadowed by the Great War which preceded it and the Great Depression snd World War II which came after.
Bismarck, K&G and you publishing in the same exact afternoon, wow could it be my birthday? Wait a sec, August 29, OK explains a lot! What a tricky and dark subject by the way, glad that 100 years later things this kind of state organized fear and propaganda could never happen again...
In the 1980s I took a job with the city government of Jacksonville, FL. I had to take an oath that I would not attempt to overthrow the city government and that I was not now nor had ever been part of the Communist Party. Probably that was left-over from the McCarthy days. I wonder if it's still part of the hiring process.
Probably. A lot of states demanded such things in the 1950s and they were not rescinded even after the senator was disgraced. Even in a place like Turkey, a law prescribing severe penalties for "making Communism propaganda" was abolished in 1991 - it was considered to no longer be relevant with the demise of the Soviet bloc.
Goes to show just how effective the democratic formalities of this country are when 1st amendment rights are trampled on at the first sign of resistance.
And people think the current state of civil unrest is bad. We’ve got quite a bit further to fall before we come anywhere close to the chaos of this time period. Mean words and a handful of aggressive confrontations aren’t anywhere close to organized insurrection and attempted assassinations.
The prelude to The Cold War 100 years ago one of my 10th grade studies. I read The Rise and Fall of Communism by Archie Brown about both sides in detail.
@@TheArklyte actually it does has it. That book is 600+ pages long look it up. I believe that was $20 on Amazon Pre Soviet era and French Revolution era which was 1783.
The historical resilience of the american left to foreign influence is remarkable, and I've very glad of it. Many of the accused groups were indeed approached and courted by the Bolsheviks, but the conversations and relationships always seemed to break down or be rejected at some point. While the left may have sympathized, they almost never collaborated.
@@Gonboo Throwing money at something isn't the same as successfully gaining influence in it. How successful were the soviets at actually getting those groups to do what they wanted? Do you have references for the holly wood funding? The greatest support I've seen Hollywood give the soviets came as part of government-encouraged propaganda campaigns in the early 1940's.
Why does everything have to be left or right? Does workers who were dying due to their mistreatment in factories owned by hideously wealthy businesses trying to improve their lives make them left wing...?
I sorta have a problem with the comment. the joke is funny, that's not it. After the communist were done blaming and punishing the wealthy they turned to blaming the farmers. So much for the workers party. This is an angle that isnt explained a lot or at all. Unfortunately it seems blaming the farmers spurred on a problem with food for the next 50 to 60 years. Yet the propaganda stops with the wealthy and doesnt mention a death penalty for farmers being found with three grains of wheat.
@@murphyslaw_1776 They are ideologues and don't understand reality. But it's the capitalists that are self-entitled docuhebags that want to hand on to their money and social position.
I'm Romanian, a citizen of an ex communist country. The first step for communists after they took power through falsified elections was to label hundreds of thousands of undesirables "fascists" and to torture them in prisons with no witnesses apart from the other inmates. Colleagues, neighbors, family members were encouraged to blow the whistle on each other for the slightest disagreement with the communist ideals, in order to be locked up and tortured by the communist thugs and hooligans, because one could rarely find an educated communist. They hated and they still hate intellectuals, regardless of their ethnicity. If you open the door to communism , you invite death in your home.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. There were radical groups in the US that wanted to execute the same revolutions that were occurring elsewhere in the world. So while the reaction of government, industrial interests, and even the public was often heavy handed and unfair, it was based upon a real threat.
@@jamestheotherone742 Not really. AFAIK there wasn't a large movement to overthrow the entire government and overhaul the whole economy. You had some extremists at the edges, but there are always people like that. What there was, was a clear labour movement that supported and strenghtened the working class.
@@Healermain15 Large movements start as small movements of a cadre of extremists. Each wannabe Lenin sitting around in his mom's basement fantasized about leading a glorious communist revolution. Labor unions existed long before, but by their nature became breeding grounds for socialist political organizations.
@@jamestheotherone742 You're conveniently dancing around the fact that there was no major movement to start any kind of violent revolt or attempt to overthrow the sitting government. All you're saying is that any kind of threat, no matter how small or unlikely, justifies any kind of repression and violence from the government or majority groups. That's a far bigger threat to people's wellbeing than that handful of wannabe Lenin's you're so worried about.
@@Healermain15 You are apparently ignorant and/or naive of history. There was no leftist revolution in the US *because* the government came down hard on them where ever they popped up and it was rejected by the majority. I was not making any judgement, only stating fact without any bias either way. Don' t project your own feelings. Read my words.
Really, the first red scare was after Haymarket, the second was 1919 with the Palmer Raids and Gallianists, the third around 1947, and the fourth was in the early 50s and throughout the 50s.
The Great War caused a great many unexpected changes. Government overreach during the War caused great resentment. Demobilization seemed to scare those in power that Bolshevik sympathies would cause a Red Revolution in the US. Such revolutions occurred in Russia, Germany, Italy, France and Britain. Only Russia succeeded. In the other countries militant trade unions were seen as a threat. The overreaction by the Government and private security thugs was a very dark time in America. The resentments continued for decades.
CommandoDude actually the red scare is democrats saying Russians are everywhere and behind everything against them in the US. Only delusional morons believe this.
I think the worst part of the Red Summer was just how black veterans were treated. They fought for a country that denied them full citizenship but was willing to use them to fight to bring democracy to other people overseas. And to return home to be treated horribly was just disgraceful.
@Shane Gallagher They were actually staunchly anti-Imperialism, just as the prevailing ideology of the country has been for most of its history. Many were indeed slave owners, though. It was a practice that was considered quite normal throughout the world, unfortunately. Twelve of the thirteen colonies did vote to ban its practice upon writing the articles of Confederation. Sadly, any state had the right to veto a bill under the old system, and Georgia did just that. The issue was half-heatedly pursued through the legislative process for the next few years, but the prevailing opinion was that slavery was going extinct through natural causes and that the generation would be the last to practice it. This seemed to be true and it did go extinct in the North. In the south it was likewise a shrinking minority until the invention of the Cotten Gin, which transformed the southern economy overnight. It ended up starting a war in 1860 because the founding ideology and what was happening in the Southern states were wholly incompatible. To return to the framers, Thomas Jefferson wrote many publications to end its practice and described it as a hideous blot. He never bought any slaves unless doing so reunited a family together. He was of the opinion that ending its practice imminently would destroy the economy and destine the former slaves to a life of perpetual poverty. He believed slave families should be united and provided education and a means to provide for themselves before being freed. Regardless of this being the correct or incorrect means to handle it, he certainly was not a proponent of slavery. Washington likewise wrote about the sustainability of slavery and advocated for holders to free them upon their deaths, which was a quite popular stance in this day. Benjamin Franklin was another advocate for freeing slaves and petitioned his state to abolish its practice, as was Samuel Adams who actually convinced Franklin that Africans could be educated (It was a common belief that Africans were less evolved that Europeans and were incapable of learning). Infact it's easier to find framers who approved of slavery and did nothing to end it, because there were, I believe two. It is perhaps unfair to do so given the level of anti-British sentiment and the potential of scapegoating, but Jefferson had written, much to the approval of most others, anti-slavery rhetoric in the constitution. He blamed the British colonial polices that promoted, brought it to the colonies, and safeguarded it, and wrote it was antithetical to the ideals of the revolution and the notion that "All men are created equally and endowed by their creator unalienable rights." The rhetoric made it as far as the final draft when South Carolina and Georgia vetoed it when it was presented. It should be telling how unpopular slavery was with the framers.
This all sounds a lot like it was overblown and too much things where assumed instead of researched. Now I know where that aspect of America comes from. Oh wait, I just assumed something. This makes me part of the problem...
The bomb at Palmer's went off "prematurely" and killed the bomber. Who was laden with pamphlets. How neat. There is no reason to believe that wasn't staged.
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@easy deism Communists fight for the universal liberation of humankind. If you think killing communists is like killing vermin, then you yourself must stand in the way of progress, liberation and the solution to the impending climate catastrophe. And thus you must have been severely misguided by the bourgeois brainwashing machine. Don't kill the communists. Join them, join them in the fight against oppression, inequality and for the full democratisation of society trough the collective control of the means of production. It is in your own best interest. Read Marx, read Trotsky, read Kropotkin, read Lenin, Read Luxemburg and read Kautsky. Read, learn, pick up the red banner of liberty and join us. Join us for your sake and for the sake of the future of humanity.
If you make peaceful revolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable. On a side note Communism still has a higher kill count than capitalism. It produces nothing but corpses. The problem is we as americans never removed those cultural groups which promote communism and unrestricted capitalism. The same people are responsible for both problems. Go to bitchute for answers. The people I mentioned earlier control RUclips and actively promote bolshevism and censor alternative voices
@Many Okuhs Correction: everytime Stalinists have fought for anyting it has lead to reaction and oppression. There is indeed no liberation of the working masses in those examples, we are in agreement. It is very unfair however to put horse-blinders on and only stare at the atrocities of stalinism when discussing communism. From the outset, large parts of the communist movement were firecely critical of Stalinism as exported by the USSR, and fought it. If you want to remain intellectually honest with yourself and speak of "Every time Communists have fought for anything" you should also look at the Paris Commune, the Spanish Republic, and the many, many communist/anarchist or radical socialist groups around the world that have fought for the beterment of the position of the working class. But we agree on the fact that the USSR, China and Albania are not the awnser, That is why we should condemn so-called "Marxism-Leninism" and it's praxis in the harshest of terms, learn from the past, and put our efforts into building genuinely radically democratic worker's movements that can move humanity forward into a classless, statless society wherein everyone takes according to their needs, and produces according to their ability.
that dude was breaking the skulls of actual working people striking for better conditions, on the west coast today the only people "protesting' are radlib blue haired middle class college students who haven't worked a day in their lives
so they basically violated the first, fourth, sixth and probably the eighth amendment because of a red piece of cloth. (edit: also the 15th ammendment) tell me again how it's the workers endangering the liberty, freedom and democracy
So, the Seattle Wobbly (IWW) riots, in which a wave of atrocities Did occur (many N older house has/had a haunted closet or attic) remains swept under the rug. The 'concealment' of this episode likely contributes 2 the peculiar antisocial mien of this area.
We live in halcyon times that are the most peaceful and prosperous in all of human history. Despite what a tiny minority will tell you to further their own benefit.
*kills millions of people, stagnates the economy, starts stealing peoples land and homes, makes a constitution that bans rights I don't know about that.
@@Arnaere You do know that the Bolsheviks and Trotskyists were only two types right? And Lenin established state managed capitalism as part of the NEP, he directly said so many times
@@Arnaere You're conflating Bolsheviks with all forms of communism leaving out tons of history like the Kronstadt rebellion that you are doubtless ignorant of. Most the victims of the USSR were communists.
The Communist Control Act of 1954 (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. §§ 841-844) is an American law signed by President Dwight Eisenhower on August 24, 1954, that outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in or support for the party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.[1]
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Why have I been hearing a lot about the New York Times in this video?
Do you and Indy share responsibility for Making the videos?
@@Marinealver because of the ad before the video was history related and you did not notice
Could you guys talk about race relations and black people in America from 1918 to 1921?
Also, your video on Namibia was AWSOME. And surprisingly intersting
There really is alot of interesting history post war. Media and schools make it seem like "ww1-vacuum-ww2" but the first world war completely changed the shape of the next 2 decades
I think WWI significantly shaped the next 10+ decades
Adrian Goodman in the UK alone we have almost 2000 years of recorded history. Schools don't have time to cover everything that happened and so they have to select the periods with significant events, but what to select? Is the Reformation more important than the Agricultural Revolution? As for the media they tend to only cover periods that will attract an audience, or periods that mirror current events.
I find the interwar period to be very interesting. Especially the political landscape. I do agree that it sometimes get played down far to much. Often just summed up as the Roaring 20's and Great Depression. But I think this has a bit to do with American Centrism as well as trying to gloss over the less pretty sides of the post war era like the first red scare mention in this video. Of course the complexity of the era does not make it easy to actually sum things up. With a simple thing like the Russian Civil War actually being far from simple with muliple sides fight. From International intervention from both the Allies and a Collation lead by the Germans and it allies. To nationalist that want to break away from Russia. To the multitude of different ideological driven faction. And some not ideological drive to.
I have come to the conclusion that the First World War and its immediate aftermath have shaped the modern world perhaps more than any event in history. The Second World War, the Cold War, America as the dominant force in the world, day to day politics, and the list goes on, stem from those 4 years.
I think its neglected due to a combination of factors. In no small part, the era is so complicated and multifaceted it takes a long time to even develop a basic understanding. In part it's also due to schools always having to teach to the slowest kid in the room and a lot of the teachers not being too swift either.
+Jonathan Green
I absolutely agree. I tried, in vain, to address this topic to my local school board, who is only concerned with numbers and not actually instilling valuable knowledge and wisdom into youth. I personally believe that history is the most important subject in education because it gives the citizens of a society context, necessary context, on where they came from, who they are, when things happened, why society is the way it is and how things came to be the way they are. It allows citizens to have perspective as well, to see what life was like in the past and the hardships people lived through, to appreciate what they have and to understand the mistakes of those who came before them. If we cannot learn from the past, we will repeat the very same mistakes.
Fundamentally, society cannot progress in a healthy, productive manner if history is cast aside. Teaching history must be true to the nature of history, completely unrated. Suppressing history, censoring history or compressing history serves no purpose except to maintain a status quo. Yes, it can be said that in a standard education, history cannot be taught in an effective way because there is not enough time in a school year, let alone in a school day, between all the other subjects that must also be crammed into the heads of impressionable youth. That is true. So why not restructure the way education is organized? Unfortunately, such suggestions are not looked upon with any favorability.
History, part of a well-balanced breakfast!
The breakfast of champions! 🏆💪
Finally - a video about trade union history. A much under-rated and under-reported topic. Top stuff guys
@Ryan Borganson unions are voluntary association of workers to defend their rights against big bussines and the government. wtf you on about
@Ryan Borganson Especially back then, when the state fought the unions actively, the unions where the statists, and the state tried to protect the workers from the state.
@@Battleschnodder The capitalist state protects the capitalist bosses. Yesterday and today. Only the reformist think the capitalist state can be an organ of workers power. The libertarians see the protection of private property as the only right that needs protection. The protection of the right to own property to exploit others, business secrets and to make only money exchanges is what they are all about.
Fascinating episode. I've read some stuff about the Red Scare. Not that well known to the main public. Great you guys covered it.
I think this is one of those topics where knowledge of it is heavily dependent on which region and school one went to. Coastal schools in northern affluent areas tended to go over it, but the more central/rural/southern you go, the less likely it is to be part of the curricula.
"as evidenced by all three groups using a red flag"...... ah come on
I literally face palmed when that was revealed to be their evidence. To think people like that was in position of power.
It's not any different today.
Sadly.....
Some galaxy-brain right there for sure.
If you actually read the report you would see there was a lot more evidence then the flags which was a deeper argument then just their color. As usual this channel distorts history and I'm glad it was demonitized.
I wonder if there will be another Red Scare...
Only if you want to believe propaganda and let fear be instilled in you without understanding why you’re being made to fear it at all
There's still a red scare in the U.S. Except it is against anyone who is labeled as "leftist", even if it is against people on the left who are still in favor of democracy and capitalist-economy.
What do you think the anti-union propaganda spewed by walmarts and amazons and other corps is?
Yes we are in a Red Scare right now, and a Civil War, and also a Cold War all in one package.
Well you do have popular morons like crowder and shapiro who label anything to the left of them as being marxists and communists so its definitely there. But you also have ridiculous stuff like claims that senator illhan Omar literally has ties to al qaeda which is completely unsubstantiated
I *love* the musical intro/animation for these post-1918 episodes. It's exciting and gets me pumped for the events I'm about to learn. Great work by the music / animation team!
thanks!
The US: *has a Red Scare*
~30 years later
McCarthy: *Do it again*
King of Skill?
@Grant McDaniel Don't you mean Fox News?
I've been hearing a lot of people speak glowingly of McCarthy lately. Given how we are increasingly seeing backlash to the jump in economic disparity and shift to 'gig economy', it probably will not be too much longer till we see a bigger backlash to that. One could even argue the MAGA movement essentially is part of a 'red scare' since much of the rhetoric reads along those lines.
Pff, Red Scare is a constant state of being for yankees and brits, nothing new here. Can't wait for EU to stop playing their flute.
@@neeneko
MAGA hats are red = communism confirmed!
Random worker: _sneezes_
Media: *BOLSHEVIK PLOT*
Random worker: %95 of us want to seize the factories, but we don't quite agree how. 4:55
@@campionpesate4647 One guy says in his opinion 95% of workers want to seize the factories.
@@TheSunderingSea A strike organizer. My mistake.
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Rocksparadox From the blocks
That’s random and aggressive, jeez.
This is amazing. This is possibly the best content this channel has done. You guys (and possibly gals?) did an amazing job on difficult material.
Thank you
Steel Worker: "Can we get better pay, or a day off, my back hurts, and I would like to see my children."
Elbert H. Gary: "No"
Steel Workers: *Strike*
Media and other CEOs: "Look at all those Communists!"
So it was Communist to request better work conditions and protest when a clearly unfair answer was given. What the hell happened to us after Versailles. I mean damn!
Business as usual?
The USA was pretty much founded on slavery, and the aristocrats rarely like it when their power and wealth is threatened.
@@hihu7200 The North was founded on a different kind of slavery, importing large numbers of poor, low-skill immigrants from Europe and then keeping them poor until they or their children are assimilated and find better employment. They then moved on to another group to repeat every 20 - 30 yrs.
Abolishing slavery and the rise of unions broke this cycle, to which the industrialist just moved the factories instead of the workers, to Mexico and overseas.
Modern day American economic might is based upon military power and having the world reserve currency and oil in the USD. But it is burning thru that wealth (well actually concentrating it at the top) built up over 2 centuries.
He did not mention that Steelworkers were required to work 8 12 hour days a week. Yes 8 12 hour periods in a 7 day week, thus the worker had to work one day a week for 24 straight hours. No extra pay, no over time pay, just work.
It IS communist to demand better work conditions. That's what communism is all about in fact. The overthrow of capitalism and the establishment of working class control over the means of production is a means to achieve and ensure better working conditions for all. Indeed, they are the means for the universal liberation of humanity. THAT is the goal of communism.
Bobby Siecker say it louder for these historically illiterate bozos, mate ✊✊
If I were planning a Bolshevik overthrow of the US in 1919 and didn't want people to know about it, I would TOTALLY tell people not to read the comments.
Hence the “Long March Through the Institutions”.
"...paranoia in the press and politics..." fast forward 100 years later
So incredibly relevant a hundred years later.
I guess you could say that.
@@nutmaster7242 history will always be relevant. Less we forget the mistakes of the past an repeat them.
History is like poetry, it rhymes.💯
An interesting topic to cover!
One of my favorites history topics in history class in high school.
And "anti-American" was refurbished to mean "anti-bourgeois". Big Brother would be proud of this usage of Newspeak!
Having to hire a new police force might explain the rampant corruption in the 20s and 30s in Boston.
interesting hypothesis
Was the corruption in the police dept or among the elected officials?
Just found this channel! What an amazing content it is. As Russian/Latvian I love your non-biased approach. In today's world we must drop nationalities, learn from history and be one nation - plant earth nation. So much respect goes out to the tea of this channel. People like you should be writing history books for schools, not biased, local "historians".
As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said "No trespassin'"
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the Redwood Forest, to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me
- Woody Guthrie
Even though a beauitful poem it lacks in understanding what private property is and what it does. It is not something we should give up without understanding it first.
Private property means that someone owns the property, which means he or she has complete control of that property which means no one else is allowed to do anything there which they disagree with. So lets say you own a house and you own the property its on, no one else can start a landfill in your back yard because you own it, nor can they start mining for coal beneath your house nor have yoko ono singing solos on your back yard 5 days a week. I can not do anything on that property which you disagree with, the only way for me to be allowed to use your land for something is if we signed a contract on it where it specified what it was i was allowed to do and what you wanted in return for it.
@@daniellassander Hey, I appreciate the reply. Why I chose this particular part of the song was because of the critique Guthrie levels at private property and how selling of land to private owners in the US has stolen a beautiful and bountiful land that could be shared by all for the benefit of everyone; and which has instead been consolidated into the hands of private interests to the detriment of all.
@@daniellassander Also, I think it's important to distinguish between private and personal property. There is a common misunderstanding in today's political climate that's being peddled on purpose by bad-faith actors that claim that the left wants to come for your property. However, this is not the common way of thinking in leftist circles. The idea rather is that goods procured by you through your own labour is yours to own and do with as you please (personal ownership); but that goods, land, and tools of production should not be privately managed as this leads to consolidation of wealth and unjustly hinders the rest of society to benefit. Examples here are natural resources, roads, land etc. which should be publicly owned and managed by collectively organized and democratically elected bodies that are made up by members of the community that are relevant for this common resource.
That’s my favorite verse. Glad someone else remembers it, despite the fact it ended up being censored.
@Many Okuhs Sure thing buddy
Never thought I would hear Seattle mentioned in The Great War...great episode as always!
Great video, as always. Thanks!
This is an interesting topic and I am warming up to Jesse Alexander, he is a great host.
Thanks! I was sick the day we filmed this, so I tried to keep the energy up...
@@jessealexander2695 Thank you for making these videos!
@@davidhalabi664 My pleasure!
@@jessealexander2695 You git the YT 'Infotainment' propaganda award...and push for a tipping app. for all your red heads.
It was a pretext to destroy labor. Used by media propaganda and brute force to do so. Which it succeeding in for over a decade, until the 30's when it reformed after the depression. The book 'fall of the house of labor' is great on this subject.
I suspect Mayor Hansen would not like the Lenin statue that is now in Seattle.
I donno, it would prove he was right.
@@jamestheotherone742 As if Seattle has been taken over by the proletariat right now... It's still firmly under the thumb of capital.
@@VRSVLVS And it never would/will. But the proletariat is allowed to throw tantrums and get pacifying crumbs thrown to it by condescending and/or naive politicians.
@Shane Gallagher I think you did not understand my post.
Another superb episode from @thegreatwar. I enjoy watching documentaries about this underreported period from history. It tends to be overshadowed by the Great War which preceded it and the Great Depression snd World War II which came after.
Bismarck, K&G and you publishing in the same exact afternoon, wow could it be my birthday? Wait a sec, August 29, OK explains a lot!
What a tricky and dark subject by the way, glad that 100 years later things this kind of state organized fear and propaganda could never happen again...
Citizen in 1919: the Reds are coming! The Reds are coming!
Paul Revere's ghost: oh dang, I thought it was the British.
In the 1980s I took a job with the city government of Jacksonville, FL. I had to take an oath that I would not attempt to overthrow the city government and that I was not now nor had ever been part of the Communist Party. Probably that was left-over from the McCarthy days. I wonder if it's still part of the hiring process.
It should be. John Brennan voted Communist, yet still allowed into the Obama ADMINISTRATION
Probably. A lot of states demanded such things in the 1950s and they were not rescinded even after the senator was disgraced. Even in a place like Turkey, a law prescribing severe penalties for "making Communism propaganda" was abolished in 1991 - it was considered to no longer be relevant with the demise of the Soviet bloc.
Goes to show just how effective the democratic formalities of this country are when 1st amendment rights are trampled on at the first sign of resistance.
Longest string of Bannner Healines in the New York times (outside of WWII) was the 1919 steel strike.
And people think the current state of civil unrest is bad. We’ve got quite a bit further to fall before we come anywhere close to the chaos of this time period. Mean words and a handful of aggressive confrontations aren’t anywhere close to organized insurrection and attempted assassinations.
the more things change the more they stay the same.
Everyone thought they were right
*everyone was wrong*
_so am I_
I suggested they do an episode about this. Thanks for doing this, ive always found this time very interesting
The prelude to The Cold War 100 years ago one of my 10th grade studies. I read The Rise and Fall of Communism by Archie Brown about both sides in detail.
If that book doesn't start with the events of 1848/49 or earlier with such a title then you can demand your money back:D
@@TheArklyte actually it does has it. That book is 600+ pages long look it up. I believe that was $20 on Amazon Pre Soviet era and French Revolution era which was 1783.
Eugene Debs 2020
There's a great video by The History Guy about the Red Summer of 1919, and this one only sort of had to do with communism. It's worth a watch.
Great content as always Jesse. Thanks.
The historical resilience of the american left to foreign influence is remarkable, and I've very glad of it. Many of the accused groups were indeed approached and courted by the Bolsheviks, but the conversations and relationships always seemed to break down or be rejected at some point. While the left may have sympathized, they almost never collaborated.
Except the USSR funded Hollywood and various labor unions associated with those industries found there.
@@Gonboo Throwing money at something isn't the same as successfully gaining influence in it. How successful were the soviets at actually getting those groups to do what they wanted? Do you have references for the holly wood funding? The greatest support I've seen Hollywood give the soviets came as part of government-encouraged propaganda campaigns in the early 1940's.
Yeah but one reason also was distance.
Why does everything have to be left or right? Does workers who were dying due to their mistreatment in factories owned by hideously wealthy businesses trying to improve their lives make them left wing...?
Colm Of course workers’ rights is a leftist cause. find me an empathetic rightist and i’ll show you a liar.
The Great War has technically ended, but the people have not changed.
People, people never change
Great job, this was very informative!
Congratulations on the Audible sponsorship!
Mindblowing how little has changed in America since this
Communism: *exists*
America: is this some peasant joke im too free to understand?
I sorta have a problem with the comment. the joke is funny, that's not it. After the communist were done blaming and punishing the wealthy they turned to blaming the farmers. So much for the workers party. This is an angle that isnt explained a lot or at all. Unfortunately it seems blaming the farmers spurred on a problem with food for the next 50 to 60 years. Yet the propaganda stops with the wealthy and doesnt mention a death penalty for farmers being found with three grains of wheat.
Joey Dyker yes
Communists are self entitled douchebags.
@@murphyslaw_1776 They are ideologues and don't understand reality. But it's the capitalists that are self-entitled docuhebags that want to hand on to their money and social position.
Realism,not optimism.
I'm Romanian, a citizen of an ex communist country. The first step for communists after they took power through falsified elections was to label hundreds of thousands of undesirables "fascists" and to torture them in prisons with no witnesses apart from the other inmates. Colleagues, neighbors, family members were encouraged to blow the whistle on each other for the slightest disagreement with the communist ideals, in order to be locked up and tortured by the communist thugs and hooligans, because one could rarely find an educated communist. They hated and they still hate intellectuals, regardless of their ethnicity. If you open the door to communism , you invite death in your home.
We were this close to greatness
I knew the red scare was a exercise in paranoia and self deception but it was far worse than i ever imagined. Thanks
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. There were radical groups in the US that wanted to execute the same revolutions that were occurring elsewhere in the world. So while the reaction of government, industrial interests, and even the public was often heavy handed and unfair, it was based upon a real threat.
@@jamestheotherone742 Not really. AFAIK there wasn't a large movement to overthrow the entire government and overhaul the whole economy. You had some extremists at the edges, but there are always people like that.
What there was, was a clear labour movement that supported and strenghtened the working class.
@@Healermain15 Large movements start as small movements of a cadre of extremists. Each wannabe Lenin sitting around in his mom's basement fantasized about leading a glorious communist revolution.
Labor unions existed long before, but by their nature became breeding grounds for socialist political organizations.
@@jamestheotherone742 You're conveniently dancing around the fact that there was no major movement to start any kind of violent revolt or attempt to overthrow the sitting government.
All you're saying is that any kind of threat, no matter how small or unlikely, justifies any kind of repression and violence from the government or majority groups.
That's a far bigger threat to people's wellbeing than that handful of wannabe Lenin's you're so worried about.
@@Healermain15 You are apparently ignorant and/or naive of history. There was no leftist revolution in the US *because* the government came down hard on them where ever they popped up and it was rejected by the majority. I was not making any judgement, only stating fact without any bias either way. Don' t project your own feelings. Read my words.
Really, the first red scare was after Haymarket, the second was 1919 with the Palmer Raids and Gallianists, the third around 1947, and the fourth was in the early 50s and throughout the 50s.
McCarthy was right! Look at our education system or the fact we allow federal employees to unionize!!
Sweet!
Seattle strikes during the red scare 1919.
2020 : let's do it again in Seattle with the chaz/chop
Exactly
17:09 So the New York Times hasn't changed in 100 years.
well that's an impressive record for a propaganda newspaper
The Great War caused a great many unexpected changes. Government overreach during the War caused great resentment. Demobilization seemed to scare those in power that Bolshevik sympathies would cause a Red Revolution in the US. Such revolutions occurred in Russia, Germany, Italy, France and Britain. Only Russia succeeded. In the other countries militant trade unions were seen as a threat. The overreaction by the Government and private security thugs was a very dark time in America. The resentments continued for decades.
"Only Russia Succeeded" Russian communists murdered 10-15 millions people and destroyed 100s millions of lives. Quite the success.
Calvin Coolidge is a hero!
Thank you for covering this topic so even handedly instead of dismissing it in favor of one narrative or another.
I like the title and the video
Wow I actually got a heart, thanks!
Thanks for that very fine presentation!!
100 years later the red scare 2019 lol
CommandoDude actually the red scare is democrats saying Russians are everywhere and behind everything against them in the US. Only delusional morons believe this.
Exactly. Even today there are Republicans claiming there are reds under the beds and all that bullshit
Idk if that intro scene is new or I just never paid attention before but it's very cool
I think the worst part of the Red Summer was just how black veterans were treated. They fought for a country that denied them full citizenship but was willing to use them to fight to bring democracy to other people overseas. And to return home to be treated horribly was just disgraceful.
The perfect citizen. The one you can mistreat and abuse, and they still fight for you. THAT'S how you know you have properly subjugated people.
@Shotgunmad xl You're joking, right?
@Shotgunmad xl You lost all credibility with "ethnostate"
Ole Hanson is the founder of my hometown. I just learned a whole new side of him.
Oh yeah the red scare,they don't really talk about this in school.
Because to talk about it gives legitimacy to the idea that you actually can question capitalism like these people did
Great vid as always
I guess history does repeat itself.
Jesse is getting better and better!! Way to go!!!
@1:10 to skip the product plug
Great idea for an alternate history tv series on stream.
Why does the 'Land of the Free' always seem to lead the charge to prevent freedom being open to all?
@ Correct and right! Your point is?
@Shane Gallagher They were actually staunchly anti-Imperialism, just as the prevailing ideology of the country has been for most of its history. Many were indeed slave owners, though. It was a practice that was considered quite normal throughout the world, unfortunately. Twelve of the thirteen colonies did vote to ban its practice upon writing the articles of Confederation. Sadly, any state had the right to veto a bill under the old system, and Georgia did just that. The issue was half-heatedly pursued through the legislative process for the next few years, but the prevailing opinion was that slavery was going extinct through natural causes and that the generation would be the last to practice it. This seemed to be true and it did go extinct in the North. In the south it was likewise a shrinking minority until the invention of the Cotten Gin, which transformed the southern economy overnight. It ended up starting a war in 1860 because the founding ideology and what was happening in the Southern states were wholly incompatible.
To return to the framers, Thomas Jefferson wrote many publications to end its practice and described it as a hideous blot. He never bought any slaves unless doing so reunited a family together. He was of the opinion that ending its practice imminently would destroy the economy and destine the former slaves to a life of perpetual poverty. He believed slave families should be united and provided education and a means to provide for themselves before being freed. Regardless of this being the correct or incorrect means to handle it, he certainly was not a proponent of slavery. Washington likewise wrote about the sustainability of slavery and advocated for holders to free them upon their deaths, which was a quite popular stance in this day. Benjamin Franklin was another advocate for freeing slaves and petitioned his state to abolish its practice, as was Samuel Adams who actually convinced Franklin that Africans could be educated (It was a common belief that Africans were less evolved that Europeans and were incapable of learning). Infact it's easier to find framers who approved of slavery and did nothing to end it, because there were, I believe two.
It is perhaps unfair to do so given the level of anti-British sentiment and the potential of scapegoating, but Jefferson had written, much to the approval of most others, anti-slavery rhetoric in the constitution. He blamed the British colonial polices that promoted, brought it to the colonies, and safeguarded it, and wrote it was antithetical to the ideals of the revolution and the notion that "All men are created equally and endowed by their creator unalienable rights." The rhetoric made it as far as the final draft when South Carolina and Georgia vetoed it when it was presented. It should be telling how unpopular slavery was with the framers.
@ sorry, I misunderstood the thrust of what you posted.
Because you can only be truly free if it's on the expense of others.
They're back at it.
Labor rights here in the US are absolutely abysmal now. We could use another radical worker's movement.
Very interesting experience, listening to this in 2020
This all sounds a lot like it was overblown and too much things where assumed instead of researched.
Now I know where that aspect of America comes from.
Oh wait, I just assumed something.
This makes me part of the problem...
History repeats 100 years later
Video on the Red Scare sponsored by an Amazon company.... Ironic.
The bomb at Palmer's went off "prematurely" and killed the bomber. Who was laden with pamphlets. How neat. There is no reason to believe that wasn't staged.
oh, lol, I thought this video was going to be about 2019 America.. Silly me!
Hi hi I've just compiled a massive playlist of all your videos although I am missing seven I've got 673 so far can you tell me what the remaining seven are
Thank you for making a video about my people
Damn I wish this was made earlier because about a year ago I did a project in history class about this
1919 or 2019...?
Great video guy!
Thanks!
We are In the third red scare now🤬
Seeing a few disturbing parallels here.
Those who can't allow peaceful revolution force violent revolution
Kill the commies wen they do
@easy deism Communists fight for the universal liberation of humankind. If you think killing communists is like killing vermin, then you yourself must stand in the way of progress, liberation and the solution to the impending climate catastrophe. And thus you must have been severely misguided by the bourgeois brainwashing machine.
Don't kill the communists. Join them, join them in the fight against oppression, inequality and for the full democratisation of society trough the collective control of the means of production. It is in your own best interest. Read Marx, read Trotsky, read Kropotkin, read Lenin, Read Luxemburg and read Kautsky. Read, learn, pick up the red banner of liberty and join us. Join us for your sake and for the sake of the future of humanity.
Peacefully if possible, by force if necessary.
If you make peaceful revolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable. On a side note Communism still has a higher kill count than capitalism. It produces nothing but corpses. The problem is we as americans never removed those cultural groups which promote communism and unrestricted capitalism. The same people are responsible for both problems. Go to bitchute for answers. The people I mentioned earlier control RUclips and actively promote bolshevism and censor alternative voices
@Many Okuhs Correction: everytime Stalinists have fought for anyting it has lead to reaction and oppression. There is indeed no liberation of the working masses in those examples, we are in agreement.
It is very unfair however to put horse-blinders on and only stare at the atrocities of stalinism when discussing communism. From the outset, large parts of the communist movement were firecely critical of Stalinism as exported by the USSR, and fought it. If you want to remain intellectually honest with yourself and speak of "Every time Communists have fought for anything" you should also look at the Paris Commune, the Spanish Republic, and the many, many communist/anarchist or radical socialist groups around the world that have fought for the beterment of the position of the working class.
But we agree on the fact that the USSR, China and Albania are not the awnser, That is why we should condemn so-called "Marxism-Leninism" and it's praxis in the harshest of terms, learn from the past, and put our efforts into building genuinely radically democratic worker's movements that can move humanity forward into a classless, statless society wherein everyone takes according to their needs, and produces according to their ability.
Ole Hanson was a hero. We need him again in Seattle today.
that dude was breaking the skulls of actual working people striking for better conditions, on the west coast today the only people "protesting' are radlib blue haired middle class college students who haven't worked a day in their lives
so they basically violated the first, fourth, sixth and probably the eighth amendment because of a red piece of cloth.
(edit: also the 15th ammendment)
tell me again how it's the workers endangering the liberty, freedom and democracy
Yeah but they wanted to be treated like humans checkmate lib
Redcoat893 The entire original comment is defending the workers.
Who remembers that time Macauthur beat his own soldiers after the war 🤔 talk about that please
"Overthrow of capitalism and the dictatorship of the proletariat"
Doesn't sound Bolshevik at all, no sir.
So, the Seattle Wobbly (IWW) riots, in which a wave of atrocities Did occur (many N older house has/had a haunted closet or attic) remains swept under the rug. The 'concealment' of this episode likely contributes 2 the peculiar antisocial mien of this area.
Ah typical American capitalism
"All the more dangerous because it is quiet"
Out of context he is not wrong here.
Will you guys talk about Japan?
Gee... This sounds like TODAY!! I wonder why? "Wait 100 years and try again when people aren't aware of history.".
It's nothing like today, it was way way more intense
The future is the past
Never forget that
Great job thank you!
we live in interesting times
We live in halcyon times that are the most peaceful and prosperous in all of human history. Despite what a tiny minority will tell you to further their own benefit.
@@jamestheotherone742 So it doesn't have the potential to get any worse?
@@sppbpp2242 Oh boy how things have changed in 11 months
Wow. The media used Russia, Russia, Russia back then. Crazy
that feeling when you accidently create a police surveillance state to prevent a hypothetical police surveillance state
15:56 wow, how have I never seen this side of Silent Cal before?
Communist Revolution? Sounds pretty based!
*kills millions of people, stagnates the economy, starts stealing peoples land and homes, makes a constitution that bans rights
I don't know about that.
@123 "kills 3.4 billion"
I didn't know there was a black book of the US
@@Arnaere
You do know that the Bolsheviks and Trotskyists were only two types right? And Lenin established state managed capitalism as part of the NEP, he directly said so many times
@@whatabouttheearth ...What's your point?
@@Arnaere
You're conflating Bolsheviks with all forms of communism leaving out tons of history like the Kronstadt rebellion that you are doubtless ignorant of. Most the victims of the USSR were communists.
The Communist Control Act of 1954 (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. §§ 841-844) is an American law signed by President Dwight Eisenhower on August 24, 1954, that outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in or support for the party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.[1]