This is the most fertile commenting ground ever. Not only can romanians and slovaks argue with hungarians, but communists, nationalists and liberals can fight each other too. Lovely
Yes indeed and they like to be authentic about their feelings too that's why they look solemn and disgruntled often in their expression. Even now 100 years later.
Better say, who cares, unless it's about Russia. Americans seem to love either romantic sentiments about Tsars or red scare stories about Stalin. The latter made it so that in the current US even a slightly left idea is considered Marxism. The US is dumbing down at a terribly high rate.
@@leobz12 Well, let's not take the general words out of their context. If I remember correctly, he said that in letter(s) addressed to French politicians and military leaders, trying to impress upon those the importance of supporting Romania and its national goals. If anything, Berthelot for sure was not looking to Romania as to an African country, to be spoiled of riches and exploited, but as to a regional ally of France, a Latin country and a pillar of French influence in a region where already German and Russian interests were competing. I believe we should grant General Berthelot plenty of excuses for his words (which today are seen carrying more malicious meanings than in his time!), also in the name of the French officers who fought and died alongside Romanian troops during the battles of 1917-1918.
By the way: You American? East of the Rhine is Germany too. That one is certainly in our books, and in bullet holes in buildings. And Poland. Russia. Prague. Vienna (Music Capital) and some little very different countries messing each other up. So perhaps South East of Vienna? Although Greece we also know. And Hungary's rich culture. Oh, Croatia for holidays. Albania to talk about corruption and hope. And... Mmm.
France: Fall back to the demarcation line and we'll get Romania to do the same. Hungary: Okay, we gave up occupied lands. France: *HAHA, YOU FOOL! YOU FELL FOR ONE OF THE CLASSIC BLUNDERS!*
Hungarian Soviet Republic was actually doomed from the start since Kun alienated many factions within the Hungarian society. I keep saying, it is a fascinating piece of history, this Hungarian Soviet Republic.
Kun created a form of government that had it's social basis laid out on the workers....in an agricultural country. He had little to no support from the beginning, only that he was seen as a strong leader who could prevent the utter destruction of the nation.
I don't think it was doomed for that reason necessarily. Kun had a surprisingly wide range of support; since the Entente failed to help the Karolyi govt deal with Hungary's neighbours, Hungarians increasingly became sympathetic to the Bolsheviks due to the possibility of a Russian alliance. Conservatives actually supported the communists at first; the consensus was 'rather Bolshevism than being partitioned'. Even Charles IV (the last king) expressed such a sentiment in a conversation with a British officer. The reason it was doomed, in my opinion, was because it could not stop the invasions of its neighbours. The only thing that could would be to accept their territorial demands, which Horthy was willing to do (whereas Karolyi and Kun were not).
@@wojciechwilkanowski4472 That is true, but that support would only have lasted as long as the war did. As soon as the war was over, and Kun tries to implement the communist policies (nationalization, collectivization, abolishment of royal titles) he would have lost the support from the peasants, the aristocrats, and the army. It wasn't really Kun or Bolshevism the people supported. It was a strong central power that resisted the enemies, and defended Hungary. They would have accepted anything, be that left or right winged.
It is pity that a massive Red Terror practitioner Bela Kun was shot in 1938 by his russian comrades during Stalin purge, I would prefer 1917 to 1938 for him! Before Soviet Hungary in 1919 Bela Kun was a part of Red Russian Army and he slaughtered hundred thouthands civilians in Ukraine in 1918!
@@rb2964 it wasn't the Romanians who installed him nor was he a fascist. But the fact that you support the Bolsheviks already tells me enough that I don't want a conversation with you
I think there were no big difference without communist regime in Romania. Its a terror state from the start. And nowadays still. The entire Romanian orthodox church was the new securitatea. But all genocides in the past several hundred years committed by the romanian church. So, basically no difference.
I am absolutely loving these segment Jesse has been doing! This era of history was a major blindspot for me and I am fascinated by all of these events I knew very little about. Kudos to Jesse and the Great War channel for an amazing series!
i find it fascinating how bad it got at this time. Especially with how dumb the leadership seems at times. I mean I know there were no easy answers but it seems at times that the people in charge (especially the 4 main allied powers) seem to go out of their way to make the decision that instead of stabilizing things like they hope, will only make the locales even angrier and set things up for a more violent and harder second world war. And is it just me or does it seem like every time a French or British official comments on these events happening in Germany and the East, they always sound tone death, smug, and a bit racist?
@@Nostripe361 I've been thinking about the 1848 revolutions when I hear in these videos what was happening in 1919. I think Habsburgs and, after the creation of the Dual Monarchy, with help from the Hungarians did such a great job of keeping any nascent nationalism working in their favor, playing nationalities off each other by offering political concessions. Once the war was over it was just a total free for all and it seems clear nobody had any idea of how crazy it would get. In those parts of Europe that developed more nationally after 1848 the situation was more controlled; well, somewhat at least. It obviously got pretty hairy in Germany. And it terms on entente smugness and racism, I think that is manifest. The smugness also certainly comes from drinking the victory Kool Aid which probably made their belief in their exceptionslism even more insufferable.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Dual Monarchy, didn't worked very well, Hungarians didn't trusted Austrians and vice versa. Austrians were more willingly to trade language and political rights for stability, Hungarians opted to intensify the Magyarization (no minority schools after primary school) and this didn't made Romanians and Slovaks very happy . Also they were very against United States of Greater Austria for autonomy based on minorities. Also since the 13th century the Orthodox Church started to be seen as heretical in Hungary (including Transylvania), Romanians were put in a bad position. Because of that in the 19th century in Transylvania, most of lower class in Transylvania was composed from Romanians and the Magyar landlords didn't wanted to make concessions because they were losing money, because of the cheap Romanian workforce. The fight between rich and poor got a national connotation. So because of those Romanians in Transylvania had a lot of hatred for their Hungarian masters, also the Hungarians didn't cared that much on the problem, they were too focused to be equal to Austrians. So in 1919 Hungarians ended with a blinded by hatred and revenge minority that wanted to cause as much damage to Hungary as possible.
@@AzUniverzumUraesParancsoloja Not really. I think (hope) that the nationalist tensions from the last centuries are left behind. In this era we should stop wishing for a "Great Hungary" or "Great Romania" and combining our efforts for a "Great Europe".
Yesterday i was getting ready for studying for a very important exam so i went to youtube for search music but then i saw this video in recommended page and said ''Ok lets watch it'' half hour later i realize it was like midnigth and i went to sleep. I suspended the exam but at least i know how was central europe after the great war. Moral? This Post-war series is so damn great,Nice Job.
Have you studied the entire history of Romania and the atrocities made by the Hungarians to the Romanian people? I think it would help to better understand this portion of history
@@gigikontra7023 and not only those - but the ones when they conquered transilvania and the ones through out the history - I think those are worth mentioning, otherwise it will sound like we have no rights as romanians.
There were massacres from both sides but more hungarian were kille by romanians in the last 4 hundred years. I think you do not learn your sins, just those made by hungarians? Its because sou need the legend of "bloody hungarians" to justify your needs for Transylvania and use it as the fundamentals of your identity. If we look at it objectively, however, there were many more problems than Hungarian-Romanian coexistence in the world. We didn't murder each other by the hundreds of thousands, like, say, the Germans and the French or the Poles and the Ukrainians, etc.
@@liviuradu8011those massacres were from the massacres romanians did first buddy, also u talk About rights Hungary was the first country in europe to have rights for minorities , magyarization also came from orders of the pope wich the Hungarian king refused from the millions of Hungarians in Transylvania today there isnt that many as many have been marrying romanians...
@@liviuradu8011only reason you could find romanians in Transylvania is because the Kings in Hungary prefered to usé romanians as farmers and the Székely as border guards, before the mongol invasion of europe in 1241 there was no vlachs in Transylvania buddy yall were invited later when We lost 500.000 people in the invasion.
Timestamps 2:29 Hungary Takes the Iniciative Against Czechoslovakia (May) 4:13 The Offensive Begins/ Allied Ultimatum/ Lowering Moral (June 5) 5:46 Armistice/ Romania Doesn't Withdraw (June 28) 7:00 The Paris Peace Conference Struggles for a Policy 9:32 Romania's Bargain/ Dilema 10:50 Hungary Prepared for an Attack/ Long Odds 11:49 Military Developments/ Hungrarian Soviet Republic Comes to an End 13:50 What Went Wrong for Hungary? 18:06 Conservative counterrevolutionary Movement
@@cornelo9118 remember that: that was the first and last time our Parliament building was "decorated" that way .... our special "thank" goes for the jewish communist regime of Kun (Cohn) Béla they ruined our country and made us hate communism for ever!!!
We didn't even learn about this war in school here in Serbia, only WWI and Treaty of Versailles and that's it. Amazing, didin't even know it happend until now. Greetings to our Romanian brothers and congrats!
I recently went to Budapest(for the first time) and as a romanian I expected hostile reactions.But everything was fine. I somehow ..admire you. Peace !
People get along well, both in Hungary and Romania. As long as you do not delve into politics and history, it should be fine. I have many Hungarian friends, we get along well, but we disagree A LOT when it comes to our history and politics.
Your anecdotal evidence has no validity. Hungarians are not asking for national rights. They are asking for privileges - especially the privilege to oppress and dominate other peoples. They don't understand democracy. They want to be "great". They are unfit to rule others. Long live Slovakia, Rumania, descendants of the Romans, and Serbia! Long live the Rumanian language - based on Latin! How noble! How great!
@@busterbiloxi3833 I can partly agree to this. Many of my Hungarian friends seem to have no understanding of democracy. They seem to like democracy only when it favors them. They long for a kind of big daddy, authoritarian leader who is capable of ruling the nation with an iron fist and make it great again. This mentality has nothing to do with democracy overall. That is why people like Orban thrive in Hungary, despite the fact Hungarians know that he is a very corrupt individual. Other than that they are fine when they do not get self-indulged in historical nonsense. Their tendency to scrap even part of their history just because it does not suit their modern political narrative is kinda dangerous though.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth I'm from Hungary and in some ways i'm agree. In Hungary most of the people vote to the party what promise the most to them. One of the biggest "invention" of the Orban regime is that they give "bonus" money to the pensioners in every year (5000-10000 huf, around 15-30 €), instead of give more pensions, and when elections came they could say them, that if they dont vote to their candidates, they will not get more money. And their jackpot is the immigrant criris. The Fidesz (Orban's party) spent billions of hungarian forints since 2015 to anti immigrant and anti George Soros and anti EU propaganda, makeing a country more like Russia than the EU. The other half of the people is very divided, and many of the opposition partys is de facto in Orban's pocket (like the socialist party, the "MSZP", which destroyed the chances to an opposition collaboration in the 2018 election). And the biggest "opposition" party is the biggest reason why Orban is very popular. Its head (Gyurcsany Ferenc) was the prime minister of Hungary. He cheated the elections, and when the people started demonstrateing against him, he smashed up them with the police, there are some interesting videos about this incident in youtube, like an old men even started a T-34 tank in one of these events. So in all, there is a "stability" after the left governments failures and 2008 crash, and the people like authoritarian leaders, like Horthy and Kádár, and Orban is in their place.
Great video, really accurate, on thing to mention though, the picture you use in order to portrait Ionel Bratianu is actually his brother’s picture, they come from a long line of great politicians from the 19th century until the last of them dying in communist prisons after world war. Ionel Bratianu died in 1927, same year with Ferdinand, he had a medical issue that needed attended but due to much responsibility and sacrifice in the political stuggules of Romanian back then he postponed it until it was too late for him. Great hero of our nation, never to be forgotten.
Can i just call out the irony of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom being mad at other countries for wanting territories like mate....look at what you've done to the world map :))
@@fatalsiege. you learn history!!!... the hungarians sawed havoc and stole EVERYTHING of value from Romania when the german and austrohungarian armies entered southern Romania including occupying Bucharest when it capitulated in dec.1916; in Transilvania the hungarian minority and army was conducting ethnic opression and clensing, killings, and forced maghiarisation of romanian majoritary population!!! Romania was a leading oil, petrochemical and derivates producing country, had all its infrastructure destroyed wether by own sabotage (ordered by f*ing u.k. government and antante with promises of reparations wich didnt happen after the war of course) or by war; in short Romania was completly destroyed and wealth stolen by the central powers, its population decimated, it's treasury sent to f*ing russia for safekeeping never to be seen again, the government relocated to Iasi and its army heroically kept the german army at bay at the Marasesti/Marasti/Oituz line!!! Romania was drown by the Antante into war with empty promises but lost everything, was conquered in part, lost a large part of its population, and then the f*ing english and americans whos territories wasnt affected by the war had the nerves to say oh no Romania you little thief nation go back, you dont deserve anything!!! They were the thieves and liars betraying Romania after the war!!! The queen Mary said it right, we HAVE THE RIGHT, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE to occupy hungary!!! So we the romanians lost everything and werent avenged correctly by the allies as promised for the extreme sacrifices suffered so we had every right to demand those things to hungary and then some!!!
I'm Romanian, though 1/4 Hungarian also on my grandfather's side, and I just want to say that I love all Hungarian people. I consider them our European brothers and sisters and we should stop this silly hatred and stand united against the threats coming our way from outside Europe, because we have some very big dangers coming our way and none of children and grandchildren will have a future if we don't stand united.
Degeaba îi consideri tu " frați și surori" când ADN-ul lor vine din Asia. Și știm noi ce țară este stăpân în Asia.. Ei,ca și rușii, au în gene să cuceeească alte popoare. Simplu.
Florian gave me some reading recommendations on an essay I wrote on why the Hungarian revolutions failed, and I'm very happy to say I came to the same conclusions as you guys did. Great video as always
@@Sxbby4Ever degeaba au realizat inaintasii nostri lucruri marete daca ai tot felil de gunoaie la conducere si fac tara de ras mai rau prin atitudine. Si nu-s din Oltenia, vezi doar ca NU zic fui, zisei, mersei....
@@entropy_of_principles Se referea la comment-ul original Al lui Raffaelo Craiova, sunteti foarte ghiocei in ziua de azi, ce se Mai intampla daca te facea moldovean? IL impuscai
Craiova(oltenia) in the middle ages mostly belong to Hungary, because its population wasnt Vlach, but Cuman. Even today there was a huge difference I think, betven Oltenians and Muntenians. I mean, maybe hungarians kind with you, because you look like one of them.
I love how you do your best to pronounce all these different names in different languages the way they are pronounced in their original language. Very well done video. I am Romanian and I knew about this war between the Soviet Hungary and Romania, but I didn't know details. Thank you for such an informative video.
"And as for Hungary it was a society burning with resentment, there was still hatred between left and right within the country...and many felt a great historical injustice was inflicted by the great powers" Yeah........was................
@@justkornel4640 Better French, than a Russian colony. You Hungarians are funny. Basic geopolitics always dictated that small and medium countries should ally with stronger, big powers to survive and thrive. This has been the case since human society formed. Smaller tribes, allied with bigger tribes to survive.
World war 2 was a lot bigger. So were many others. It sparked the age of the industrial military complex, where rich people use poor people to kill each other. You need to learn more.
8:01 - - - The U.S. military representative in Budapest, who wrote "that miserable little nation of Rumania", was treated like a king, with all possible luxury, in a Hungarian palace. Obviously, he was not neutral. Not to mention that the "miserable little nation" sacrificed 1 of every 12 people to fight in WWI alongside Russia and the Western Allies, while Hungary fought continuously alongside Germany from the first to the last day of WWI.
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars - - Maybe, but when the Austrians shared the ruling power after their defeat from Prussia in 1866, they also gave to the Hungarians a half of the lands of the empire, for control and exploitation, lands that the Austrians obtained with their own effort after the siege of Vienna of 1683. So, the leadership of Hungary liked to share the spoils of the empire, but were not supposed to share the responsibilities?
@@FlorinSutu This is wrong! The alleged Hungarian participation in power was only an illusion that had nothing to do with reality. The Hungarians really had nothing! Because the Austrians had the power in the state! In reality, the Hungarians still had to submit to the will of the Austrians.
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars However, the Hungarians were very effective in the forced Hungarianization of the minorities from the part of the empire that belonged to them.
@@valentinovidiucornea4525 Not really! Their power was too limited for that! The masters were the Austrians in this state. They didn't want too many conflicts to arise between the nations that they ruled. That's why they made sure that there wasn't such a significant Hungarianization. For the rest, I wouldn't call Austria an empire. Because an empire is always to be defined in comparison to the other empires. With this size Austria would have been an empire in the 17th century but not in the 19th and 20th centuries. In this Zaitlater the empires were significantly larger. Just because the Austrians oppressed some nations doesn't make them an empire. The Punjabis of Pakistan rule about 50 other nations in Pakistan and no one calls Pakistan an empire for that. In terms of area, Pakistan is also larger with 796,095 km² than Austria with 675,964 km² around 1900. By the way, that was the reason why the Austrians started World War I. They wanted to feel more like an empire by conquering most of the Balkans. This is not a joke. The First World War took place because of the inferiority complex of the Austrians, who felt that they controlled too small an area. The Germans then supported the Austrians and provoked a war with the Russians and French out of the same inferiority complex. The Germans did have an empire, but only for a pathetic 33 years when they got hold of the first colonies. But compared to the real British Empire, that was pathetic. That is why they took part in the Austrian war and wanted to gain large territories by defeating the Russians and French. That almost worked too. After the victory against the Russians in 1917 and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the Germans had conquered large territories in Eastern Europe. A large-scale colonization was planned. But then the Germans had bad luck and finally lost the war together with the Austrians. The Ottomans were also involved. In fact, they also took part in this war for the same reasons of inferiority complex. The Ottoman empire has shrunk a lot and the Ottomans thought that their empire had become much too small. So areas should be recaptured. Off to war. The problem was that they were on the losing side and then shrink a lot instead of expanding like the Germans and Austrians shrink a lot too. Then in addition to the inferiority complexes of their small size compared to the empires of the world, the Germans then also had the inferiority complex of being the losers of the great war. This inferiority complex was really unhealthy for the Germans and for Europe. Because for the Germans it was again time for the next wars for to conquer territories again where the inferiority complex was then additionally extremely increased by a grotesque racism with a megalomaniacal feeling of superiority against everyone. The result of this ludicrous inferiority complex was 55 million deaths as a result of various genocides and various wars. Whereby, if one looks more closely, the Austrians, as a voluntary part of Germany, were once again involved in the the inferiority complex madness. This time The Turks, the former Ottomans, were smarter than that and didn't take part in this the inferiority complex madness. In any case, it was really the case that the two world wars were actually fought because ofabsurd inferiority complexes.
Bela Kun real name was Cohen. And first blows against the red hungarian army was executed by German Transylvanian minority militia under the command of former austro-hungarian officer Arthur Phleps, the later SS general.
ha! My father came from Hungary and he often pointed out the irony of a landlocked country with no navy being ruled by an admiral. He would have appreciated you pointing that out. thanks
your father forgot to mention that Hungary PURCHASED an Adriatic port Fiume from the Croats, against TWO counties!!! from Hungary's territory in order to be able to develop and build a significant commercial/military harbor base for the Hungarian state....
As a romanian / transilvanian, I am aproud of my ancestors who realized România Mare in 1918 after centuries of expotation under Austro- hungarian Emperium. I wonder what would hapend if romanian army would not stop soviet Hungary? ....and after some years eliberate Budapest again of Horty regim? Thank you for new informations I got about european history. We need to live in peace with our nabourghs but not foget the past...
Please, share this video with some Hungarians I don't like this silence on the comment section! Where are the Hungarians, time to learn some real hostory?
Another two enlightening excerpts: Source: Joseph Held, "The Heritage of the Past: Hungary before World War I", in Ivan Volgyes (editor), HUNGARY IN REVOLUTION. 1918-19. Nine Essays, Univ. of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1971, pp. 6-7. Source: Gabor Vermes, "The October Revolution in Hungary: from Karolyi to Kun", in Ivan Volgyes (editor), HUNGARY IN REVOLUTION. 1918-19. Nine Essays, Univ. of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1971, p. 47.
You are right in many things, but my great-grandfather is a Hungarian born in Bottomcarpathia (today territory of Ukraine beyond the Carpathians) and I recently found his school yearbook on the internet, where every child, every grade, is printed from every subject! It was a surprise to me that in the 1892 yearbook, in the same class, there was someone who had Hungarian classified, there was someone who had Slovak, there was someone who had Romanian and there was someone who had Ruthenian (Ukrainian)!
@@cyrkestuffl9051 OK, nice piece of info. However, what's your point? What exactly do you want to say by your post? I mean, more than emphasizing the fact that Magyars were always a minority in most of the territories that after the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867 were placed under the control of Hungary?
@@CborgMega After the Hungarian bloodshed of our war of independence - with the help of Russia - we lived from 1849, we Hungarians in the era of passive resistance. This meant that Hungarian - usually a noble man - did not hold office in the state-Austrian office. Our country was like a colony. The Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Romanians in Hungary, Serbs and Croats also remained oppressed. It was said then that the minorities were rewarded with what the Hungarians were punishing. After several European military defeats of the Austrian emperor, he was forced to ease the repression and the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was established by "compromise". Hungary had an independent government (except the Ministry of War, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Foreign Affairs), an independent parliament - in which minority advocates were present, but the laws passed had to be passed by the king, who was also the Austrian emperor. Education in Hungary was under Hungarian control. Compulsory schooling was introduced at this time. (Everyone had to write, read, count - this required them to complete a 2-4 grade school - of course there were those who did not study because it was no longer compulsory to go to school from the age of 10 - many dropped out of school because they had to work. fully implement the law.) It was so until the dissolution of the empire until 1920!
@@cyrkestuffl9051 Yep, I get it, you point out that going to school was compulsory in Hungary, at least up to the age of 10. Nevertheless, you say truthfully that "education in Hungary was under Hungarian control". And Hungarian politicians were not generous, they just understood that the schooling system was needed to transform into Magyars as many members of the other nations living in Hungary as possible. Especially those who would go beyond 4 grades. Same with the military draft, or the employment in the public administration. And yes, it was so until 1919, when Magyarization officially died! Now, since you seem quite amazed by what people less knowledgeable would consider generosity from the part of Hungarians towards the other nations under their domination, let me share with you some details of historical importance for Romanians in Transylvania - that should give you some context to the situation in which my co-nationals lived back then. So, even before 1848, but especially after the "compromise" of 1867, Romanians living under Hungarian domination used to give their newborn kids Latin-inspired names: Ovidiu, Silvian, Claudiu, Aurelian, Augustin, Ciprian (Cyprianus), Eustatiu (Eustatius)... The reason? Because such names were difficult, if not impossible to Magyarize! By comparison, other Romanian standard names, like Gheorghe, Ion, Petre, Mihai, Nicolae, Stefan, Anton etc. were quite easy to transform into Magyar names. How was this done? Via the schooling system, or by the Hungarian-controlled administration, or by the military draft... All Romanians passing through schooling system, or the military draft, or being accepted to work for the administration ended up with documents in which their names were Magyarized (not to mention the official records of the institutions issuing the documents...). You mentioned 1848. Do you know how was Magyarized, in the school, the name of Avram Iancu, the Romanian leader of the 1848 Revolution in Transylvania? Iank Abraham! You are praising the Hungarian law on education introduced by the Parliament in Budapest - which, by all testimonies from that epoch, including from observers outside Hungary (Frenchmen, Britons, Germans) was never implemented in the benefit of others than Magyars themselves. In fact, by the Education law of 1868, the Magyar language was introduced as compulsory even in the religious schools - those operated by the Orthodox and Greek-Catholic Churches in Transylvania (most of their members being Romanians). During the government of Tizsa Kálmán, the laws of 1879 şi 1883 made Magyar language mandatory in all primary schools. In 1891, the Csaki Law makes Hungarian mandatory in kindergartens. In the Apponyi Law of 1907, article 12 stated that the government has the right to close down any Romanian school, if the decision is based on higher state interests... After this law was adopted, no less that 500 Romanian schools in Transylvania were closed, up to 1910. Part of the Hungarian strategy against Romanian language in Transylvania was the 1897 law regarding Magyarization of the names of Romanian towns and villages in Transylvania. How was this done? Usually, the termination „u” was deleted from the original names, to make them sound Hungarian. For example, places like Albacu were renamed Albac and then Fehervölgy, Buciumu became Bucium then Bucsóny, Câmpeniu - Cîmpeni and then Topánfalva, Sohodolu became Sohodol then Aranzosszohodol, Cărpinişiu became Cărpiniş then Abrudkarpenyes, Lăpuşu became Lăpuş then Lepus and so on. Same with names of individuals: Dumitru Furduiu was modified in Fúrdui Demeter, Ioan Furduiu became Fúrdui Ianoş, Nicolae Furduiu - Fúrdui Miklos and so on! As a consequence, even today, many Romanians with ancestors in Transylvania have such names without the termination in "u", since their forefathers had their names Magyarized! This was not something done by mistake or some local initiatives of zealous Magyar clerks. In 1898, Hungarian authorities have issued for Transylvanian administrative service a book describing in very details how the Romanian names must be translated in Hungarian ones. An original of this “manual” can be seen at Cluj Napoca University Library. The book name is “HOGY MAGYAROSITSUK A VEZETEKNEVEKET" and it was written by Telekes Simon. In 1908, the Magyar authorities released a more detailed and bigger manual, based on another similar book written by Anton Husza-Herskovitz in 1907. As you may see, this was the real Hungarian system of oppression and Magyarization before WWI. And we, Romanians, we know it well. Also this is general knowledge for Serbs, Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenes etc.. But, by all means, you may think these are lies and propaganda, as many Magyars of today do believe...
As a Romanian, I will tell you this we were invaded from loads of countries why? Because we have gold, oil what you need we have also our territorial map should be larger then is at the precedent stage is a sad story.
Greetings from România mdfkrs. For all those who fell they was left behind in our Holly ground they can anytime cross the border back to their mother land or even further at origin Ruths deep in Mongolia or middle of nowhere
November 13, 1918 My Grandfather entered Budapest! Yes myself I'm 💯% Romanian 🇷🇴 Love my country and i don't want to annoy no one here but i can say it loud and proud. Old man i'm Proud Of U! Peace. 🌎✌
@Vasile Chiriac in 1916. The Hungarian rolyal army, the Hungarian Husszárok, the 8th army from the 3rd devision, and Little German army march to Bucharest in 1916.
Ahhh dear Romania, our (Slovak) only reliable ally. Romanians helped us in 1918 and 1919. Romanians liberated many slovak territories in 1945 too. And then they left because thats true liberation (on the other hand, Russians become occupants almost instantly). Romania also refused to attack us in 1968. So big thanks to Romania from Slovak people. Maybe we should kick Orbans Hungary out of V4 and invite Romania instead. We had another allies too, shamefull ones. - France, which gave czechoslovak territories to Hitler during Munich conference. In slovak history books its called Munich betrayal because we were military allies. France should defend Czechoslovakia and vice versa. But I guess French paid for it a few years later... - Russia attacked us in 1968 and occupied us till 1991. Founding member of warsaw pack (Russia) attacking member of warsaw pack (Czechoslovakia)...ridiculous.
I know it's frustrating living in minor history country. Slovakia younger than myself, Romania was formed in 1859, and they were eating kebab with the ottomans till😅
@@Saints1885 Hungarians should stop pretending they are British national museum. You cant steal history of all. Kebab? Haha, very funny. And you have centuries old experience of eating kebab because Hungarians were under Ottomans occupacion...but I guess, even ottoman sultans were actually Hungarians, according to hungarian history books.
@Aleks Kevyn How the wheel turns... :) We used to say: Russians built their "union" with tanks, Brussels built their "union" with banks, but the goal is the same.
I am British and this is all new to me. I have visited Romania but not Hungary. First thing to say is all the countries involved have come a long way from this. And it helps me understand a little more different attitudes towards European peace and integration in m own country compared with those in mainland Europe. We have had settled borders for a thousand years so do not understand how important it is to build institutions to prevent war in Europe.
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 we are talking about a revote in left circles since we are deeply against the vote, although we are not sure if we will get the revote as nationalist parties use it as fuel. Btw where you from?
Romania have stolen Transylvania from Hungary, it was part of Hungarian Kingdom for 1000 years. The Entente (British and French) gave Transylvania to Romania, it was the deathy penalty of 1000 yrs old Hungarian Kingdom, that lost 70 % of its territories, because of the judgment of the Entente. The real reason was that they wanted to kill Austria -Hungary forever. Romanians always lie about history .
Neville Chamberlain said that Czeckoslovakia was a small, minor country of strange people and culture. I'm glad that you see that Albion is part of the European Family of Nations. ONE EUROPE - FROM THE ATLANTIC TO THE MEDITERRANEAN - AND BEYOND! Glory to Ukraine! Death to Moscow!
@@busterbiloxi3833 Hopefully one day, after our time, when Russia or at least parts of it, cam join other European nations. I don’t know if you have ever been but if they are not Europeans l don’t know what they are. Our view of the country is distorted by two things. First, we equate the people with the governments which have been horrible for over a century. Second we think of it as one thing when it is amazingly diverse. Alright almost everyone is white but they is a huge mixture of Tartars, Bashkars, Cossacks etc etc. What we think of as Russia is a federation of states. Russia is fantastic to visit as they have genuine hospitality culture, despite all the propaganda. Putin and his like is not Russia. After Ukrainians, the biggest losers in the war are Russians.
I'll not go as far to say I love Hungary :) But that's not because of Hungarian people, but because I guess I couldn't say that about any country in the world. I love humans in general, though, especially those that are kind :D
@Hungary #1 Hey, I've actually answered to ''why?'' It's got nothing to do with Hungary, I don't love any other country either :))) Regarding injustices, I'm sure those exist, on both sides, as literally they exist for any other two neighboring nations on Earth. Btw, do you understand that whenever you would say that to a Romanian (''Because Hungarian people will not accept the injustice you have done to them?''), he will go ''Uh? What are you even talking about?''. P.S: I;m not sure how this got from: 1) Hungarian stating ''We love you Romania'' and 2) '' I love humans in general, especially those that are kind'' to 3 '' injustices''. You're on the wrong topic I guess. What's that reaction you speak of?! ''We love you Romania''? This does not make sense.
You can get a lot of new fans adding at least spanish subtitles. Very few or none war youtubers in spanish speak about this "less important" front. I hope u can do this effort. Greetings from Chile.
@Cypher hahaha recently it has been PROVEN, genetically, that all those Hungarian heros had NOTHING to do with the vlachs... Ceaucescu lied to you, as always... 🥱😋
@@cafta I show you what is fishy : your socalled history... :-DDD YT: "A románok igazi történelme. Románul tudó magyaroknak" (The real history of the Romanians. for Hungarians who can speak Romanian) and " Magyar korona, román korona - Ioan Talpeș, a román titkosszolgálat volt elnöke” (Hungarian Crown, Romanian Crown - Ioan Talpeș, former President of the Romanian Secret Service) we know that here in the Carpathian basin there always lived people who spoke a language similar to Hungarian, and in old-Europe as well !! BEFORE the devastating Roman invasion … old-Greek, old-Celtic, old-Etruscan are no „vanished” languages… for they are very familiar to Hungarian ears …(also ancient Sumerian word roots are surprisingly similar to Hungarian!) AND Genetics have only PROVEN what we Hungarians ever knew, see also in one of our codexes: Wikipedia: Chronicon Pictum ENGLISH article (WHY is the Romanian article so short….? :-D ) that our roots are far-far in Middle-Asia, via Georgia up to Iran ... where people, very similar to us live... those with that fantastic steppe culture… and they KNOW about us and that we are relatives unfortunately, they have been overrun by islam, that almost deleted their ancient culture. still they respect us and invited us to the "Turkic Council" (not Turkish...) they remember and call themselves „Atilla’s folks”, some 27 tribes. YT: "What is the Turkic Council?" appr. 300 mill population, strong economies, tendency growing … :-D we are NOT alone in this world, and we are strong together.
@@robertmifkovic6325 that is an incomplete narrative about that history, even in the wiki you found more: "...On 20 May 1919, a force under Colonel Aurél Stromfeld attacked and routed Czech troops from Miskolc. The Romanian Army attacked the Hungarian flank with troops from the 16th Infantry Division and the Second Vânători Division, aiming to maintain contact with the Czech army. Hungarian troops prevailed and the Romanian army retreated to its bridgehead at Tokaj. There, between 25-30 May, Romanian forces were required to defend their position against Hungarian attacks. .." So the Romanians contributed with troops on that front, also they fought in the almost same time with Ukrainians and Bolsheviks in the East. Sources for that post are unbalanced, almost all presents only Hungarian view, there are absolutely not one from Romania!
@@MrQ454 Since the events were richly recorded by the numerous Entente diplomats observers and military attaches, it is easier to prove the Hungarian point of view, because Romanian point of view is often very far from the official Entente observers and records.
@@csongorcsillogo1440 And how you know what it is the Romanian point if you simply don't look?! I looked on the all the views and I could see what Hungarians simply try to mystify. There were also Entente officials with different opinions. The sources are very clear unbalanced! 4 Hungarian, 1French, 1 Polish, 1 American, 1 English and you try to convince me that are objective and moderate?!
"miserable little nation of Romania" I guess the Austrians still love this western phrase in 2022... but this arogance only confirms the real power of the underdogs.
This period of our history has always been hazy...it still is somewhat, hazy, somewhat boring and certainly very troubled. But you did a great job putting it all together. Thank you.
I thought Indy could not be replaced. But damn did I enjoyed this episode, part because of the fact that I'm Romanian, but also part because of the host. Great job man
I really think that I know about history. But all the post WW1 conflicts - I've never heard about any of this until you guys brought it up. Thank you very much.
Most of Romanians themselves do not know exactly what happened in 1919, because during the Communist regime (1945 - 1989), it was impossible (and forbidden) to talk to pupils in schools about how Romania destroyed the first Bolshevic regime exported by USSR in Europe! :-)
Fascinating conflicts after WW1 such as Russian Civil War,Polish-Soviet War, Baltic states struggle for independence,Irish War of Independence,Greco- Turkish War which was part of the Turkish War of Independence,3rd Anglo-Afghan War,revolt in Mesopotamia(Iraq) 1920 and the conflicts and campaigns in north Africa involving both Spain and France against Riff tribesmen.
I'm going to say this in every one of your videos, but your pronounciation of French is excellent. Félicitations pour votre travail, mon cher ! Hungary and Romania, you're both wonderful peoples, take care of yourselves.
@@danielirimescu312 , they are not huns. between the presence of the huns in Pannonia and the coming of the maghyars is almost 500 years. Huns were relatives of the mongols, originated in Altai, but the maghyars were fino-ugric people. Is no ethnic connection between them
I'm an expat American living in Romania. I recently took a road trip with some Romanian friends through Transylvania, Bucovina, and Maramures. Romania is a very beautiful country! However, we were refused service at a hostel, a hotel, and a restaurant because we were not Hungarians! One restaurant wanted to charge us 50 Lie per table after they found that most of our party was Romanian. Is this animosity caused by resentment over WWI? I found it very annoying; but, my Romanian friends took ii stride.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, friend. I hope this hasn't discouraged you from having these excursions again! Perhaps next time you should consider avoiding those parts you had trouble in and visit the rest of the country! edit: I forgot to answer the question. It's caused by resentment over not just simply WWI, but over 1000 years of conflict between our ancestors over Transylvania.
1: i strongly believe youre just a romanian who tries to ruin the hungarians image 2: the "beautiful" parts of romania were built by hungarians and germans. it simply doesnt belong to romania 3: before u attack and say something stupid, im an arab, not hungarian or even european
@@zubrifikusummuk It is incredible, I think you live in a parallel reality, there are lots of video even on youtube or presented at news were romanians who visited the western part of Transilvania were ignored or asked to live ithe restaurants or franchise businesses owned by hungarians because they don t take orders from romanians.. this tensions really exist, are not so frequent but treating them as a " try of ruination" is totally a lack of counciousness.
@Nobody Knows "Why would it be?" Because people are territorial apes with overinflated egos. And this is the RUclips comments section. A deadly mix :))
Found your channel recently and I love it. The thumbnails of colorized B&W photos really sets the theme for your channel and acts as a sort of portal to the world you are about to enlighten us on. Thanks for all your hard work.
There was a period when Google refused to let me log in. I am finding these gems from The Great War slowly but surely. Thank you for a very interesting video.
One "funny" bit is, Horthy's advance and victory from the south, was actually sponsored and armed by the Romanian government. He sure did appreciate it two decades later.
Csongor Csillogó you are just a copy paste which you suffer because TRANSILVANIA came back to the MODERLAND!!!! You better watch what your nationalist Prime Minister is doing and how he get your country out of Europe .... Live the History for some objective people to comment!!!! YOU WILL NEVER EVER INVADE ANY ROMANIAN LAND ANYMORE!!!! SO DEAL WITH THAT MR COPY PASTE!!!!
@@csongorcsillogo1440>won 3 Wars >ethical majority >politically ours >and you had it for 400 year, we had it for 100 years, but with your logic Hungary should be Austrian or Turkish since they conquered it in the past
@@djcrazy4788 but they refuse to speak it. They do not own transylvania, they stole it 1000 years ago when they came from Asia. It's an easy argument to win since they are 100% wrong.
@@leontrotsky3602 Where were romanianas 1000 years ago? Transylvania belongs to Hungary. They have been living there for centurys, while nothing like Romania even exists.
@@piotrkulpa8034 my guy, have you heard of the Dacians? Like the Romanian ancestors… or they do not count, because… ? I don’t remember reading anything about Hungary or Hungarians at the time. Weird, right? Care to clarify where exactly was Hungary and the Hungarian people or their ancestors at the time? I believe I made my point. Hungary had occupied it for a while and now they don’t anymore. End of story. Ps. I have nothing against you (HU) but this can’t still be a subject of discussion. It’s just silly. By this logic, the Romanian army entering Budapest, that would mean Budapest should be Romanian because Romanians were there once, right? Didn’t think so
The East European Contries fight between themselves, while the west were making rules...LOL I hope all the East European countries will wake up and get wise, pulling together and prosper instead being played by the west
That's what i keep saying. If Romania and Poland, and sure, Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia would band together to rise economically as a cohesive group, would present a real influence at the treaty table. And would also balance the west-east various trifles and would make the EU stronger. After all we all are europeans, we should learn to play better with each other and build a better tomorrow.
@@somnorila9913 They will never cooperate properly, the Treaty of Trianon created an unresolvable grudge between countries in the Pannonian Basin. This division was the western powers' primary intention.
@@mastermindd For this part of Europe no solution would have made things better. The biggest mistake, IMO, was that the land-swaps were not followed by population replacements as well, like it happened in many parts of Europe after World War 2.
@Balázs Gólya More Romanians live in those territories since way before the times your people came to Europe. I know you don't like to be reminded of your origins, but maybe it's time for you to embrace the truth.
The Carpathian Mountains were already there BEFORE the Romans, who occupied and ruined Europe and the ancient nations ... WHAT is Rome and WHO are the Romans??? Romans were and are a shame: divide-et-impera, thats all they are capable of. Us, Hungarians have ever fought AGAINST the unfortunately still living-on ROME, that is the prison of nations, a sinister Imperium. Today it is settled in the usa and called the deep state and rules over the EU. Already King Atilla has defeated them. Whatever empire tried it with us, we Hungarians have finally overcome and survived them. The Carpathian Basin must be an island of peace for the mutual benefit of all the peoples, folks and nations living here. The Carpathian mountains are not yours or ours : they belong to Our Blessed Lady, Queen of the Carpathian Basin. This is our ancient divine law. This is our mission to fulfill here and makes us a strong nation and it will last forever or at least until this law will be enforced. Earlier or later even you MUST understand it.
"The peasants did not want to sell their land to the State..." I think you got it wrong, the Socialist State did not buy any land in any country from the peasants, it only took it by force and with lots of victims.
@@carron979 Sorry for the long time that i've replied .... RUclips didn't notify me about your coment A landlocked country doesn't need a navy 😂😂😂. Why the duck do you need to spend money on a fleet when the only body of water is itself landlocked and is in no dispute with any neighbor, that lake is not shared with any neighbor... Hungary is the only owner. The navy is defending the lake from whom? From aliens? 😂😂😂😂 That is the best example of ... Well spent public money 😅😅😅
I have found some interesting info about the language policies in the armed forces of Austria-Hungary Empire, and the conflict between Vienna and Budapest on this topic. I am presenting here an excerpt from the book of Pieter M. Judson , *The Habsburg Empire: A New History* , Belknap Press, 2016 (pages 431-432)
What this video fails to mention is that during the occupation the romanians also tried to alleviate the hunger in Hungary by providing foodstuff. Also to everyone who thinks the conditions imposed on Germany were too harsh, take a look at the requirements imposed by the germans on the romanians in 1917...
Yeah they gave out occupation food stamps and checks for money. I have one of those in my collection. There's also a lot of photographs of how the soldiers interacted with civilians, if anyone here says it's not documented.
@@alexsamu3478 Well, the commie takeover was only possible because of the double dealings of Entente and the military actions of Romania, so.... Signing the Belgrade treaty (wich clearly states that territories north of the Mures remain under Hungarian control), but subsequenly allowing Romania to cross the Mures and not informing Hungary about the change was the chief cause of the governmental collapse. People lost faith in both of the democratic forces and in the negotiations with the entente/little entente, allowing the birth of the famed "nazbol" mostrosity.
@@AlexanderSSI lmao, whend did Hunagry started the Great War? Yeah, Austria-Hungary for sure but also the Hungarian goverment and Prime Minister István Tisza was strongly against the Ultimatum and declaration of war.
@Aleks Kevyn Can you specify what would be a more accurate approach? I'm getting more and more interested in these things, the more I learn - they never told us in school we occupied Hungary or other stuff
@@IoachimSavianPopovici don't believe this, this is propaganda, we didn't wanna conquer them, we had to defeat the Bolsheviks. they even featured anti romanian quotes in the video. i suggest you try a book or even Wikipedia than this. it's been a trend in the past few years to spread anti romanian propaganda on the internet. they were completely impartial, and portrayed us as literal thieves are you joking.
@@im_so_bored3896 I don't know... it seemed OK to go there, from the video, except for communist who, of course, hate us for it, but the video says that the actual occupation of the country didn't go so well. If we did everything by the book, that's great, but, if we made any mistakes, I want to know, cause that would explain why some people have resentment towards us
@@IoachimSavianPopovici yeah fair enough, idk to me they seem to be quite biased. i don;t even know why i care, i'm not a nationalist, i'm quite a progressive person but there comes a point where i too have had enough of ppl bashing on romanians as a people group.
Jesse, I have just discovered your channel and this great analysis of obscure (to the western world) conflicts that still affect international relations today.
Horthy would go on to restore the Kingdom of Hungary but instead of a king, Horthy was elected regent for life. He mostly stayed out of internal political affairs until the lead up to World War II, when he finally had the opportunity to reclaim the lost territories. Fun Fact: Hungary wasn’t the only “kingdom without a king” in 20th century Europe. In 1948, Francisco Franco, who had led a fascist regime known as the Spanish State to that point, restored the Kingdom of Spain, and took a position as regent for life very similar to Horthy’s. Spain remained a “kingdom without a king” until 1975. It could also be argued, although less so, that from 1918-1949 Germany was a “kingdom without a king” as well, as the state continued to be known as the German Realm (Greater German Realm from 1943-45) through 1949. However during the monarchical days it was more commonly known as the “German Imperial Realm” unofficially, and the usage of this decidedly ended in 1918 with the fall of the monarchy, and no regency ever occurred.
@@costelpraduitoru2792 Nu trebuie sa ne unim cu nimeni Transilvania a fost tinut autonom multe sute de ani, apoi a facut parte din imperiul ungar un imperiu care a fost infiintat in anul 1000 Romania o tara relativ noua infiintata in 1859 a furat teritoriul Transilvania. Chiar daca suntem romani inceteaza cu apelativul de "copile" si alte chestii care incearca sa ma denigreze si mai invata istoria, istoria aia adevarata nu tampeniile cu care te-a indoctrinat la scoala
@@DoyPac Romania nu a furat absolut nimic. Poporul transilvanean a votat in 1918 unirea cu Romania. Transilvania este teritoriu romanesc, unde traim de peste 2300 de an in continuu. A fost un teritoriu cotropit de altii, dar componenta si caracterul romanesc a ramas aici constant. Copile, te rog eu frumos, pune mana pe cartile de istorie. Citeste, invata si respecta natiunea din care faci parte. Ca roman transilvanean sunt dispus sa ma jertfesc pentru Bucuresti la nevoie, avand in vedere ca regatul a trimis spre osanda sute de mii de romani ca noi sa fim liberi azi si sa putem sa ne vorbim limba stramoseasc pe pamantul nostru sfanta. Traiasca Romania Mare! Honor et patriae! Gloria aeterna!
@@aranykert You may be imortal, but you live in vain 😂. What is true, Hungary is the defender of Europe, the best nation of all, the ones who been the first, everywhere?? By the way, it's a doubt who been the first on The Sun 😂, Hungarians or North Koreeans?
@@ToolTestandUnboxingI know! The disputed land Manchuria sounds like Magyaria, which claimed by the Japanese, the Koreans and the Chinese! The Emperors on all sides were born there pretty much! :))
I'm Hungarian. I LOVE (and know a bit ) history and this is just BRILLIANT Jesse! Very difficult times, difficult subject but perfect description of the age and the REAL happenstances! ..and even as an East Europian should say: super ironic story telling! :D Many thanks for teaching the Planet!
As a Romanian, I totally agree with you and I hope that more people learn our common history and learn from those mistakes. It's sad that there is a historical hate between our nations and that we can't just get along as neighbours. This war that Russia started agains Ukraine made us realise how much we depend on our neighbours, especially near powerful countries ruled by mad old man.
@Alsky The ones that don't know the history will do that, just like the "proud Romanians" that can't take the blame for the state our country finds itself in. But educational videos like this one, and open minded people like the ones from this topic, both Hungarian and Romanian, will make us get over our historical beef and start acting like decent neighbours.
@Alsky I Live in Cluj-Napoca, a city where the Hungarian population is noticeable, and it's always fun to see people that don't see nationality getting along just fine and enjoying each others company, while the nationalists and "old school" just sit in their corner and complain. Life moves on, people need to let go of some of our past mistakes, but not forget them. Know your history so you don't repeat its mistakes. Once people understand this, they will see that we are not that different
@@danpristavu3148 Know your history? Romanians don't know even their own history. We Hungarians would be very friendly and forget the past if we occupied another country's 2/3 part too... Your "Cluj-Napoca" (horrible Romanian name) had 80-90% Hungarian majority. A big part of them were immediately deported from the city after 1919, and 10 thousands Olah's moved in their houses. The Hungarian univeristy was Romanianized, or closed, the Hungarian students were persecuted.
Sorry but when Romania ocupated Budapest the Entant banned Romania to ocupate Transylvania all the way to the Tisza. But you can still get back Bessarabia and North bukovina.
@@milandobai1123 i am OK with current borders with hungqey. Its just I'd obv prefer it if we got more land for the same reasons you like that you didn't lose more land
This is the most fertile commenting ground ever. Not only can romanians and slovaks argue with hungarians, but communists, nationalists and liberals can fight each other too. Lovely
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Romeo Alfa you made my day
Have a nice day dear sir :)
Great war comment section a battleground? Lol they covered Balkan war so well Turks and Greeks agreed with each other.
@nlpjohn I m not afraid :)
"No-one was satisfied with the situation." European history in a nutshell.
Yes indeed and they like to be authentic about their feelings too that's why they look solemn and disgruntled often in their expression. Even now 100 years later.
@@AnnaLVajda Awesome Comment.
And your head is a putrid nut
actually you're wrong. romanians, serbians, czech etc etc were pretty happy they managed to escape the Austro-Hungarian PRISON !!!
@@victorv834 „Prison“..you know, usually one should do better outside of prison than inside… ;)
Inter War Hungary: A kingdom without a king led by an admiral without a navy.
Funny but true. And im proud of this because im Hungarian.
@@laszlohrabovszky2489 Really?I'm Romanian. I want to ask, how do you feel about this situation?
I think Hungarians had some fleet on Danube.
@@kevinboros7427
Well your name sounds like hungarian...
Emm... We didnt had an army in those times. So it was a *little hard* to defend our Homeland.
@@robertmifkovic6325
Just smaller river-boats with a few guns.
‘They are little brigand peoples who want to steal territories.’ Hypocrisy at its finest Loyd George
A single square mile seized is a tragedy, a million square miles seized is an empire.
CommandoDude And May or May not be the cause for the spiral that caused 9/11
"the empire on which the sun never sets " Would never sink so low to steal some territories.
I mean, he ain't wrong. Just lacking a sense of self-awareness.
The difference between little and big Brigands
European history in US history books: "If it happened east of the Rhine, it didn't happen."
Better say, who cares, unless it's about Russia. Americans seem to love either romantic sentiments about Tsars or red scare stories about Stalin. The latter made it so that in the current US even a slightly left idea is considered Marxism. The US is dumbing down at a terribly high rate.
Gen. Berthelot: `Romania, a french colony'. The Big Four probably considered the eastern countries like african or indo-chinese colonies!
@@leobz12 Well, let's not take the general words out of their context. If I remember correctly, he said that in letter(s) addressed to French politicians and military leaders, trying to impress upon those the importance of supporting Romania and its national goals. If anything, Berthelot for sure was not looking to Romania as to an African country, to be spoiled of riches and exploited, but as to a regional ally of France, a Latin country and a pillar of French influence in a region where already German and Russian interests were competing. I believe we should grant General Berthelot plenty of excuses for his words (which today are seen carrying more malicious meanings than in his time!), also in the name of the French officers who fought and died alongside Romanian troops during the battles of 1917-1918.
Well they can and could be manipulated and former little Entente Cordiale people happily did and does that.
By the way: You American? East of the Rhine is Germany too. That one is certainly in our books, and in bullet holes in buildings. And Poland. Russia. Prague. Vienna (Music Capital) and some little very different countries messing each other up. So perhaps South East of Vienna? Although Greece we also know. And Hungary's rich culture. Oh, Croatia for holidays. Albania to talk about corruption and hope. And... Mmm.
France: Fall back to the demarcation line and we'll get Romania to do the same.
Hungary: Okay, we gave up occupied lands.
France: *HAHA, YOU FOOL! YOU FELL FOR ONE OF THE CLASSIC BLUNDERS!*
Damn
Ah one of the Great Sayings of Dark Helmet
Sad true story...
Most of the weapons could not be retained by Hungary after the agreement. And then Hungary was attacked.
Blue Snail
There is nothing new under the sun: ‘Vae victis!’ So simple is that.
@@AzUniverzumUraesParancsoloja ????????? :))))))))
This comment section is surprisingly decent
Gotta make sure we're polite and respectful. Or else, there will be bloodshed lmao
Socialist demoncrats dont study history.....so many facts per minute destroys their brain
Cells.
Yeah, there are more comments anticipating the flame war, then there are actual flame wars.
@@davidgough7552 like you are above the rest of us...😂😂😂
I'm both slightly disappointed and pleasantly surprised at the same time.
"the great war" in eastern europe; "the war to start all wars"
milcoll73 you may be the palest person on the planet
@@eball2k9 possibly but not really. i mean, albinos are a thing.
@Mr.T stfu snowf
milcoll73 hungarians are central europeans
@brawler Eastern Europe is Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Georgia.
Hungarian Soviet Republic was actually doomed from the start since Kun alienated many factions within the Hungarian society. I keep saying, it is a fascinating piece of history, this Hungarian Soviet Republic.
Kun created a form of government that had it's social basis laid out on the workers....in an agricultural country. He had little to no support from the beginning, only that he was seen as a strong leader who could prevent the utter destruction of the nation.
@really sore knee Yeah I kinda realized that too after I posted the comment but I was like eh
I don't think it was doomed for that reason necessarily. Kun had a surprisingly wide range of support; since the Entente failed to help the Karolyi govt deal with Hungary's neighbours, Hungarians increasingly became sympathetic to the Bolsheviks due to the possibility of a Russian alliance. Conservatives actually supported the communists at first; the consensus was 'rather Bolshevism than being partitioned'. Even Charles IV (the last king) expressed such a sentiment in a conversation with a British officer.
The reason it was doomed, in my opinion, was because it could not stop the invasions of its neighbours. The only thing that could would be to accept their territorial demands, which Horthy was willing to do (whereas Karolyi and Kun were not).
@@wojciechwilkanowski4472 That is true, but that support would only have lasted as long as the war did. As soon as the war was over, and Kun tries to implement the communist policies (nationalization, collectivization, abolishment of royal titles) he would have lost the support from the peasants, the aristocrats, and the army. It wasn't really Kun or Bolshevism the people supported. It was a strong central power that resisted the enemies, and defended Hungary. They would have accepted anything, be that left or right winged.
It is pity that a massive Red Terror practitioner Bela Kun was shot in 1938 by his russian comrades during Stalin purge, I would prefer 1917 to 1938 for him! Before Soviet Hungary in 1919 Bela Kun was a part of Red Russian Army and he slaughtered hundred thouthands civilians in Ukraine in 1918!
The only people who also see the irony in an admiral becoming the leader of a landlocked nation! Well done my friends! Keep up the great work!
And also the irony that kicked out their king only to make him king.
@@jevinliu4658 Horthy was just governor, not king
@@Berik99 He eventually became a "regent"...
@@jevinliu4658 The position of Regent and Governor was the same in Hungary
@@rb2964 it wasn't the Romanians who installed him nor was he a fascist. But the fact that you support the Bolsheviks already tells me enough that I don't want a conversation with you
"Brigands that only want to steal lands" this is coming from the prime minister of a colonial empire 😂😂😂
Lmfao
😂😂😂😂😂
yeah, ain t that funny? arrogant brits
I sometimes wonder how Romania would have ended up if we never had a communist regime.
If comunism never happened, I think Hungary would have ended the same way
We would be way more advanced and united too
I think there were no big difference without communist regime in Romania. Its a terror state from the start. And nowadays still. The entire Romanian orthodox church was the new securitatea. But all genocides in the past several hundred years committed by the romanian church. So, basically no difference.
We would have been a pretty decent country if it wasn't for the iron guard and the communist regime, I just hope we'll recover one day
@@AndreiGrozea correction, tough: the iron guard was setting us light years ahead on some matters that nowadays are crushing us. :)
I am absolutely loving these segment Jesse has been doing! This era of history was a major blindspot for me and I am fascinated by all of these events I knew very little about. Kudos to Jesse and the Great War channel for an amazing series!
i find it fascinating how bad it got at this time. Especially with how dumb the leadership seems at times.
I mean I know there were no easy answers but it seems at times that the people in charge (especially the 4 main allied powers) seem to go out of their way to make the decision that instead of stabilizing things like they hope, will only make the locales even angrier and set things up for a more violent and harder second world war.
And is it just me or does it seem like every time a French or British official comments on these events happening in Germany and the East, they always sound tone death, smug, and a bit racist?
@@Nostripe361 I've been thinking about the 1848 revolutions when I hear in these videos what was happening in 1919. I think Habsburgs and, after the creation of the Dual Monarchy, with help from the Hungarians did such a great job of keeping any nascent nationalism working in their favor, playing nationalities off each other by offering political concessions. Once the war was over it was just a total free for all and it seems clear nobody had any idea of how crazy it would get. In those parts of Europe that developed more nationally after 1848 the situation was more controlled; well, somewhat at least. It obviously got pretty hairy in Germany.
And it terms on entente smugness and racism, I think that is manifest. The smugness also certainly comes from drinking the victory Kool Aid which probably made their belief in their exceptionslism even more insufferable.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Dual Monarchy, didn't worked very well, Hungarians didn't trusted Austrians and vice versa. Austrians were more willingly to trade language and political rights for stability, Hungarians opted to intensify the Magyarization (no minority schools after primary school) and this didn't made Romanians and Slovaks very happy . Also they were very against United States of Greater Austria for autonomy based on minorities.
Also since the 13th century the Orthodox Church started to be seen as heretical in Hungary (including Transylvania), Romanians were put in a bad position. Because of that in the 19th century in Transylvania, most of lower class in Transylvania was composed from Romanians and the Magyar landlords didn't wanted to make concessions because they were losing money, because of the cheap Romanian workforce. The fight between rich and poor got a national connotation.
So because of those Romanians in Transylvania had a lot of hatred for their Hungarian masters, also the Hungarians didn't cared that much on the problem, they were too focused to be equal to Austrians.
So in 1919 Hungarians ended with a blinded by hatred and revenge minority that wanted to cause as much damage to Hungary as possible.
Nostripe361
Just like nowadays...
@@AzUniverzumUraesParancsoloja Not really. I think (hope) that the nationalist tensions from the last centuries are left behind. In this era we should stop wishing for a "Great Hungary" or "Great Romania" and combining our efforts for a "Great Europe".
Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs and Slovaks: We have the most arguments and disagreements in all of Europe!
Balkans: Hold my Rakija
Romania is a Balkan country ...
@@Fabian-xi8ee Balkans geographically end at the Danube and Sava rivers.
Kalimdor199 Romania has land south of the Danube.
MacedonianUnit underrated comment! Наздраве, my Macedonian friend!
@@SKa-tt9nm Only Dobrudja.
Yesterday i was getting ready for studying for a very important exam so i went to youtube for search music but then i saw this video in recommended page and said ''Ok lets watch it'' half hour later i realize it was like midnigth and i went to sleep.
I suspended the exam but at least i know how was central europe after the great war.
Moral? This Post-war series is so damn great,Nice Job.
Thanks!
Wait what. U can suspend it?
Romania could conquer Austria too
@@neymarmessironaldo5881 Yeah how?
@@nzimportnzimport8853 yes sure but it'd be outrageous
Have you studied the entire history of Romania and the atrocities made by the Hungarians to the Romanian people? I think it would help to better understand this portion of history
Ip and Treznea massacres against Romanians! Yes
@@gigikontra7023 and not only those - but the ones when they conquered transilvania and the ones through out the history - I think those are worth mentioning, otherwise it will sound like we have no rights as romanians.
There were massacres from both sides but more hungarian were kille by romanians in the last 4 hundred years. I think you do not learn your sins, just those made by hungarians? Its because sou need the legend of "bloody hungarians" to justify your needs for Transylvania and use it as the fundamentals of your identity.
If we look at it objectively, however, there were many more problems than Hungarian-Romanian coexistence in the world. We didn't murder each other by the hundreds of thousands, like, say, the Germans and the French or the Poles and the Ukrainians, etc.
@@liviuradu8011those massacres were from the massacres romanians did first buddy, also u talk About rights Hungary was the first country in europe to have rights for minorities , magyarization also came from orders of the pope wich the Hungarian king refused from the millions of Hungarians in Transylvania today there isnt that many as many have been marrying romanians...
@@liviuradu8011only reason you could find romanians in Transylvania is because the Kings in Hungary prefered to usé romanians as farmers and the Székely as border guards, before the mongol invasion of europe in 1241 there was no vlachs in Transylvania buddy yall were invited later when We lost 500.000 people in the invasion.
Timestamps
2:29 Hungary Takes the Iniciative Against Czechoslovakia (May)
4:13 The Offensive Begins/ Allied Ultimatum/ Lowering Moral (June 5)
5:46 Armistice/ Romania Doesn't Withdraw (June 28)
7:00 The Paris Peace Conference Struggles for a Policy
9:32 Romania's Bargain/ Dilema
10:50 Hungary Prepared for an Attack/ Long Odds
11:49 Military Developments/ Hungrarian Soviet Republic Comes to an End
13:50 What Went Wrong for Hungary?
18:06 Conservative counterrevolutionary Movement
The Romanian flag (opinca) on the Hungarian Parliament
@@cornelo9118
remember that:
that was the first and last time our Parliament building was "decorated" that way ....
our special "thank" goes for the jewish communist regime of Kun (Cohn) Béla
they ruined our country and made us hate communism for ever!!!
@@cornelo9118 Show!
@@messor01 Just google it
@@cornelo9118 🤣🤣🤣
We didn't even learn about this war in school here in Serbia, only WWI and Treaty of Versailles and that's it. Amazing, didin't even know it happend until now.
Greetings to our Romanian brothers and congrats!
Your only friend is romania, and that's all! LOL
Orthodox brothers 🇷🇴❤🇷🇸❤🇬🇷
@@robertalexandru17_.27 🇷🇸 🇷🇴 🇬🇷
Thank you, we love you.
Congrats for being gae ??? Then your car to
I recently went to Budapest(for the first time) and as a romanian I expected hostile reactions.But everything was fine. I somehow ..admire you. Peace !
People get along well, both in Hungary and Romania. As long as you do not delve into politics and history, it should be fine. I have many Hungarian friends, we get along well, but we disagree A LOT when it comes to our history and politics.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth When different things get taught in school as history in the 2 countries you get that result.
Your anecdotal evidence has no validity. Hungarians are not asking for national rights. They are asking for privileges - especially the privilege to oppress and dominate other peoples. They don't understand democracy. They want to be "great". They are unfit to rule others. Long live Slovakia, Rumania, descendants of the Romans, and Serbia! Long live the Rumanian language - based on Latin! How noble! How great!
@@busterbiloxi3833 I can partly agree to this. Many of my Hungarian friends seem to have no understanding of democracy. They seem to like democracy only when it favors them. They long for a kind of big daddy, authoritarian leader who is capable of ruling the nation with an iron fist and make it great again. This mentality has nothing to do with democracy overall. That is why people like Orban thrive in Hungary, despite the fact Hungarians know that he is a very corrupt individual. Other than that they are fine when they do not get self-indulged in historical nonsense. Their tendency to scrap even part of their history just because it does not suit their modern political narrative is kinda dangerous though.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth I'm from Hungary and in some ways i'm agree.
In Hungary most of the people vote to the party what promise the most to them. One of the biggest "invention" of the Orban regime is that they give "bonus" money to the pensioners in every year (5000-10000 huf, around 15-30 €), instead of give more pensions, and when elections came they could say them, that if they dont vote to their candidates, they will not get more money. And their jackpot is the immigrant criris. The Fidesz (Orban's party) spent billions of hungarian forints since 2015 to anti immigrant and anti George Soros and anti EU propaganda, makeing a country more like Russia than the EU.
The other half of the people is very divided, and many of the opposition partys is de facto in Orban's pocket (like the socialist party, the "MSZP", which destroyed the chances to an opposition collaboration in the 2018 election).
And the biggest "opposition" party is the biggest reason why Orban is very popular. Its head (Gyurcsany Ferenc) was the prime minister of Hungary. He cheated the elections, and when the people started demonstrateing against him, he smashed up them with the police, there are some interesting videos about this incident in youtube, like an old men even started a T-34 tank in one of these events.
So in all, there is a "stability" after the left governments failures and 2008 crash, and the people like authoritarian leaders, like Horthy and Kádár, and Orban is in their place.
I find it beyond ironic, that of all people, a Brit should criticize others for “ wanting to steal territories “. British arrogance at its best !
Don't mind me, I'm just here to give pizza to those who came to read the comments.🍕
Thank you Mussolini
This is some great pizza Mussolini
Say what
Grazie, Mr Mussolini
Better not be any pineapple on it.... In which case, thanks! :D
long live Romania!!! and hungary and everybody else
Thx bro
Thx
thanks.
Anyone Hungary enough for a Romania ?
Snowflake
Great video, really accurate, on thing to mention though, the picture you use in order to portrait Ionel Bratianu is actually his brother’s picture, they come from a long line of great politicians from the 19th century until the last of them dying in communist prisons after world war. Ionel Bratianu died in 1927, same year with Ferdinand, he had a medical issue that needed attended but due to much responsibility and sacrifice in the political stuggules of Romanian back then he postponed it until it was too late for him. Great hero of our nation, never to be forgotten.
Can i just call out the irony of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom being mad at other countries for wanting territories like mate....look at what you've done to the world map :))
Yeah, that got a chuckle out of me.
Yes but European territory is a bigger deal as it can upset the balance of power learn history
@@fatalsiege. you learn history!!!... the hungarians sawed havoc and stole EVERYTHING of value from Romania when the german and austrohungarian armies entered southern Romania including occupying Bucharest when it capitulated in dec.1916; in Transilvania the hungarian minority and army was conducting ethnic opression and clensing, killings, and forced maghiarisation of romanian majoritary population!!! Romania was a leading oil, petrochemical and derivates producing country, had all its infrastructure destroyed wether by own sabotage (ordered by f*ing u.k. government and antante with promises of reparations wich didnt happen after the war of course) or by war; in short Romania was completly destroyed and wealth stolen by the central powers, its population decimated, it's treasury sent to f*ing russia for safekeeping never to be seen again, the government relocated to Iasi and its army heroically kept the german army at bay at the Marasesti/Marasti/Oituz line!!! Romania was drown by the Antante into war with empty promises but lost everything, was conquered in part, lost a large part of its population, and then the f*ing english and americans whos territories wasnt affected by the war had the nerves to say oh no Romania you little thief nation go back, you dont deserve anything!!! They were the thieves and liars betraying Romania after the war!!! The queen Mary said it right, we HAVE THE RIGHT, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE to occupy hungary!!! So we the romanians lost everything and werent avenged correctly by the allies as promised for the extreme sacrifices suffered so we had every right to demand those things to hungary and then some!!!
Can you say "R" ? 😂
As your name is mr. Fint Inavlad.
At least both Hungarians and Romanians agree that the Communists were not our friends
The Hungarians seem to be BFFs with russians now (again) What a twist!!!
@@AAWW745 yeapp....
The Commies in the first place was truly the Pandora's box.
I don't know, Hungarians seem to have a short memory these days
@@AAWW745 they will learn the hard way...again
I'm Romanian, though 1/4 Hungarian also on my grandfather's side, and I just want to say that I love all Hungarian people. I consider them our European brothers and sisters and we should stop this silly hatred and stand united against the threats coming our way from outside Europe, because we have some very big dangers coming our way and none of children and grandchildren will have a future if we don't stand united.
Degeaba îi consideri tu " frați și surori" când ADN-ul lor vine din Asia. Și știm noi ce țară este stăpân în Asia..
Ei,ca și rușii, au în gene să cuceeească alte popoare. Simplu.
@@garmastean English?
lordbeanz560 a very big part 2/3 of their country lol
@@garmastean doar trimitetil acasa in Russia noi i așteptam ca aic n-are cine lucra nimeni nu vrea să lucreze
@@garmastean spui numai prostii !
Florian gave me some reading recommendations on an essay I wrote on why the Hungarian revolutions failed, and I'm very happy to say I came to the same conclusions as you guys did. Great video as always
Well, great video! Love the correct pronunciation of names and that Romanian national ideal of "Romania Mare". That was a nice touch! Well done!
swarthy gypo
@@jozsefsandor671 we should have never left Budapest and made you our puppets.
Trăiască România Mare 🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
Hungary is a great country with kind people. I felt at home when I visited. I am a Romanian.
Well you did not enter in contact with them to get much hate what they have.
sa numai spui la nimeni că ești oltean din Craiova că ne faci de râs ;)
@@Sxbby4Ever degeaba au realizat inaintasii nostri lucruri marete daca ai tot felil de gunoaie la conducere si fac tara de ras mai rau prin atitudine.
Si nu-s din Oltenia, vezi doar ca NU zic fui, zisei, mersei....
@@entropy_of_principles Se referea la comment-ul original Al lui Raffaelo Craiova, sunteti foarte ghiocei in ziua de azi, ce se Mai intampla daca te facea moldovean? IL impuscai
Craiova(oltenia) in the middle ages mostly belong to Hungary, because its population wasnt Vlach, but Cuman. Even today there was a huge difference I think, betven Oltenians and Muntenians. I mean, maybe hungarians kind with you, because you look like one of them.
1914-1918, The war to end all wars.
1919-2019, hold my beer.
Second hundred years war
1918 - 2019: hold my corpses
*2020
no beer
țuică
@@victorbuturoaga6220 True llol
I love how you do your best to pronounce all these different names in different languages the way they are pronounced in their original language. Very well done video. I am Romanian and I knew about this war between the Soviet Hungary and Romania, but I didn't know details. Thank you for such an informative video.
"And as for Hungary it was a society burning with resentment, there was still hatred between left and right within the country...and many felt a great historical injustice was inflicted by the great powers"
Yeah........was................
Ben L. Get what you deserve
@@ionflorea2601 you wouldn't get anything than. Just stay "the best French colony".
@@justkornel4640 Better French, than a Russian colony. You Hungarians are funny. Basic geopolitics always dictated that small and medium countries should ally with stronger, big powers to survive and thrive. This has been the case since human society formed. Smaller tribes, allied with bigger tribes to survive.
nowadats hungary has the best pornstars
Little Ears why am I not surprised.
If I've learned something on this channel is that the war to end all wars just sparked a lot of smaller wars
World war 2 was a lot bigger. So were many others. It sparked the age of the industrial military complex, where rich people use poor people to kill each other. You need to learn more.
8:01 - - - The U.S. military representative in Budapest, who wrote "that miserable little nation of Rumania", was treated like a king, with all possible luxury, in a Hungarian palace. Obviously, he was not neutral. Not to mention that the "miserable little nation" sacrificed 1 of every 12 people to fight in WWI alongside Russia and the Western Allies, while Hungary fought continuously alongside Germany from the first to the last day of WWI.
Hungary did not choose to fight for the Germans. The Austrians wanted that and not the Hungarians.
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars - - Maybe, but when the Austrians shared the ruling power after their defeat from Prussia in 1866, they also gave to the Hungarians a half of the lands of the empire, for control and exploitation, lands that the Austrians obtained with their own effort after the siege of Vienna of 1683.
So, the leadership of Hungary liked to share the spoils of the empire, but were not supposed to share the responsibilities?
@@FlorinSutu This is wrong! The alleged Hungarian participation in power was only an illusion that had nothing to do with reality. The Hungarians really had nothing! Because the Austrians had the power in the state! In reality, the Hungarians still had to submit to the will of the Austrians.
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars However, the Hungarians were very effective in the forced Hungarianization of the minorities from the part of the empire that belonged to them.
@@valentinovidiucornea4525 Not really! Their power was too limited for that! The masters were the Austrians in this state. They didn't want too many conflicts to arise between the nations that they ruled. That's why they made sure that there wasn't such a significant Hungarianization. For the rest, I wouldn't call Austria an empire. Because an empire is always to be defined in comparison to the other empires. With this size Austria would have been an empire in the 17th century but not in the 19th and 20th centuries. In this Zaitlater the empires were significantly larger. Just because the Austrians oppressed some nations doesn't make them an empire. The Punjabis of Pakistan rule about 50 other nations in Pakistan and no one calls Pakistan an empire for that. In terms of area, Pakistan is also larger with 796,095 km² than Austria with 675,964 km² around 1900.
By the way, that was the reason why the Austrians started World War I. They wanted to feel more like an empire by conquering most of the Balkans. This is not a joke. The First World War took place because of the inferiority complex of the Austrians, who felt that they controlled too small an area. The Germans then supported the Austrians and provoked a war with the Russians and French out of the same inferiority complex. The Germans did have an empire, but only for a pathetic 33 years when they got hold of the first colonies. But compared to the real British Empire, that was pathetic. That is why they took part in the Austrian war and wanted to gain large territories by defeating the Russians and French. That almost worked too. After the victory against the Russians in 1917 and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the Germans had conquered large territories in Eastern Europe. A large-scale colonization was planned. But then the Germans had bad luck and finally lost the war together with the Austrians. The Ottomans were also involved. In fact, they also took part in this war for the same reasons of inferiority complex. The Ottoman empire has shrunk a lot and the Ottomans thought that their empire had become much too small. So areas should be recaptured. Off to war. The problem was that they were on the losing side and then shrink a lot instead of expanding like the Germans and Austrians shrink a lot too.
Then in addition to the inferiority complexes of their small size compared to the empires of the world, the Germans then also had the inferiority complex of being the losers of the great war. This inferiority complex was really unhealthy for the Germans and for Europe. Because for the Germans it was again time for the next wars for to conquer territories again where the inferiority complex was then additionally extremely increased by a grotesque racism with a megalomaniacal feeling of superiority against everyone. The result of this ludicrous inferiority complex was 55 million deaths as a result of various genocides and various wars. Whereby, if one looks more closely, the Austrians, as a voluntary part of Germany, were once again involved in the the inferiority complex madness. This time The Turks, the former Ottomans, were smarter than that and didn't take part in this the inferiority complex madness.
In any case, it was really the case that the two world wars were actually fought because ofabsurd inferiority complexes.
The one dislike is from Mihály Károlyi
Károlyi? Wrahh!
you mean 202?
károlyi mihály was an idiot, he disbanded the army
Bela Kun real name was Cohen. And first blows against the red hungarian army was executed by German Transylvanian minority militia under the command of former austro-hungarian officer Arthur Phleps, the later SS general.
Kohn, not Cohen.
A fact not really relevant, usually only brought up by anti semites which was a big reason Kun changed his name.
ha! My father came from Hungary and he often pointed out the irony of a landlocked country with no navy being ruled by an admiral. He would have appreciated you pointing that out. thanks
your father forgot to mention that Hungary PURCHASED an Adriatic port Fiume from the Croats, against TWO counties!!! from Hungary's territory in order to be able to develop and build a significant commercial/military harbor base for the Hungarian state....
So, you got something fom the Croats, another neighbour you don't like 🤣. Yup, you don't like them, but you like what they have.😅
Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, strong together brothers!!!!
also Bulgaria and Hungaria! we are more related than we are told so. If we are friends we can have a big positive impact.
3 countries against a disarmed communist country 🤣🤣🤣
@@AliLali05 skill issue
Together... Hungary always alone!
@@hungary8955 feels bad man
You actually took time to pronounce all the names right. Wow. Grats!
JulioAbel90 he said budapest wrong but then again everyone does so yeah
@@angiekay478 can you blame them? Hungarian is hard
@@nuperaa6617 he's a romanian nationalist so what do you expect?
@@totalhistorychannel1156 Who?
@@wellthatworked6986 the creator of the video ... This Indy nidell
I am a descentant of General Mosoiu and also 1/4 hungarian. There is no need for hate. We are all europeans now!!!
you are too early an european..
As a romanian / transilvanian, I am aproud of my ancestors who realized România Mare in 1918 after centuries of expotation under Austro- hungarian Emperium. I wonder what would hapend if romanian army would not stop soviet Hungary? ....and after some years eliberate Budapest again of Horty regim?
Thank you for new informations I got about european history.
We need to live in peace with our nabourghs but not foget the past...
As a hungarian im suprised how peaceful is this comment section 😅
Me too, Sanyi, me too. Seems like extremists-nationalists got tired, finally... Isten, ald meg a magyart! ;) Cheers from Romania, neighbour!
We have to learn from the past and to improve our future...
Im from Romania and i angree becous we dont forget the past and think to the future
All we past to the comunism they make it to be like animal
Please, share this video with some Hungarians I don't like this silence on the comment section! Where are the Hungarians, time to learn some real hostory?
Another two enlightening excerpts:
Source: Joseph Held, "The Heritage of the Past: Hungary before World War I", in Ivan Volgyes (editor), HUNGARY IN REVOLUTION. 1918-19. Nine Essays, Univ. of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1971, pp. 6-7.
Source: Gabor Vermes, "The October Revolution in Hungary: from Karolyi to Kun", in Ivan Volgyes (editor), HUNGARY IN REVOLUTION. 1918-19. Nine Essays, Univ. of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1971, p. 47.
Jesus Christ man!
U have a lot of free time,don t you?
You are right in many things, but my great-grandfather is a Hungarian born in Bottomcarpathia (today territory of Ukraine beyond the Carpathians) and I recently found his school yearbook on the internet, where every child, every grade, is printed from every subject!
It was a surprise to me that in the 1892 yearbook, in the same class, there was someone who had Hungarian classified, there was someone who had Slovak, there was someone who had Romanian and there was someone who had Ruthenian (Ukrainian)!
@@cyrkestuffl9051 OK, nice piece of info. However, what's your point? What exactly do you want to say by your post? I mean, more than emphasizing the fact that Magyars were always a minority in most of the territories that after the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867 were placed under the control of Hungary?
@@CborgMega
After the Hungarian bloodshed of our war of independence - with the help of Russia - we lived from 1849, we Hungarians in the era of passive resistance. This meant that Hungarian - usually a noble man - did not hold office in the state-Austrian office. Our country was like a colony. The Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Romanians in Hungary, Serbs and Croats also remained oppressed. It was said then that the minorities were rewarded with what the Hungarians were punishing. After several European military defeats of the Austrian emperor, he was forced to ease the repression and the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was established by "compromise".
Hungary had an independent government (except the Ministry of War, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Foreign Affairs), an independent parliament - in which minority advocates were present, but the laws passed had to be passed by the king, who was also the Austrian emperor. Education in Hungary was under Hungarian control. Compulsory schooling was introduced at this time. (Everyone had to write, read, count - this required them to complete a 2-4 grade school - of course there were those who did not study because it was no longer compulsory to go to school from the age of 10 - many dropped out of school because they had to work. fully implement the law.)
It was so until the dissolution of the empire until 1920!
@@cyrkestuffl9051 Yep, I get it, you point out that going to school was compulsory in Hungary, at least up to the age of 10. Nevertheless, you say truthfully that "education in Hungary was under Hungarian control". And Hungarian politicians were not generous, they just understood that the schooling system was needed to transform into Magyars as many members of the other nations living in Hungary as possible. Especially those who would go beyond 4 grades. Same with the military draft, or the employment in the public administration. And yes, it was so until 1919, when Magyarization officially died!
Now, since you seem quite amazed by what people less knowledgeable would consider generosity from the part of Hungarians towards the other nations under their domination, let me share with you some details of historical importance for Romanians in Transylvania - that should give you some context to the situation in which my co-nationals lived back then. So, even before 1848, but especially after the "compromise" of 1867, Romanians living under Hungarian domination used to give their newborn kids Latin-inspired names: Ovidiu, Silvian, Claudiu, Aurelian, Augustin, Ciprian (Cyprianus), Eustatiu (Eustatius)... The reason? Because such names were difficult, if not impossible to Magyarize! By comparison, other Romanian standard names, like Gheorghe, Ion, Petre, Mihai, Nicolae, Stefan, Anton etc. were quite easy to transform into Magyar names. How was this done? Via the schooling system, or by the Hungarian-controlled administration, or by the military draft... All Romanians passing through schooling system, or the military draft, or being accepted to work for the administration ended up with documents in which their names were Magyarized (not to mention the official records of the institutions issuing the documents...). You mentioned 1848. Do you know how was Magyarized, in the school, the name of Avram Iancu, the Romanian leader of the 1848 Revolution in Transylvania? Iank Abraham!
You are praising the Hungarian law on education introduced by the Parliament in Budapest - which, by all testimonies from that epoch, including from observers outside Hungary (Frenchmen, Britons, Germans) was never implemented in the benefit of others than Magyars themselves. In fact, by the Education law of 1868, the Magyar language was introduced as compulsory even in the religious schools - those operated by the Orthodox and Greek-Catholic Churches in Transylvania (most of their members being Romanians). During the government of Tizsa Kálmán, the laws of 1879 şi 1883 made Magyar language mandatory in all primary schools. In 1891, the Csaki Law makes Hungarian mandatory in kindergartens. In the Apponyi Law of 1907, article 12 stated that the government has the right to close down any Romanian school, if the decision is based on higher state interests... After this law was adopted, no less that 500 Romanian schools in Transylvania were closed, up to 1910.
Part of the Hungarian strategy against Romanian language in Transylvania was the 1897 law regarding Magyarization of the names of Romanian towns and villages in Transylvania. How was this done? Usually, the termination „u” was deleted from the original names, to make them sound Hungarian. For example, places like Albacu were renamed Albac and then Fehervölgy, Buciumu became Bucium then Bucsóny, Câmpeniu - Cîmpeni and then Topánfalva, Sohodolu became Sohodol then Aranzosszohodol, Cărpinişiu became Cărpiniş then Abrudkarpenyes, Lăpuşu became Lăpuş then Lepus and so on. Same with names of individuals: Dumitru Furduiu was modified in Fúrdui Demeter, Ioan Furduiu became Fúrdui Ianoş, Nicolae Furduiu - Fúrdui Miklos and so on! As a consequence, even today, many Romanians with ancestors in Transylvania have such names without the termination in "u", since their forefathers had their names Magyarized!
This was not something done by mistake or some local initiatives of zealous Magyar clerks. In 1898, Hungarian authorities have issued for Transylvanian administrative service a book describing in very details how the Romanian names must be translated in Hungarian ones. An original of this “manual” can be seen at Cluj Napoca University Library. The book name is “HOGY MAGYAROSITSUK A VEZETEKNEVEKET" and it was written by Telekes Simon. In 1908, the Magyar authorities released a more detailed and bigger manual, based on another similar book written by Anton Husza-Herskovitz in 1907.
As you may see, this was the real Hungarian system of oppression and Magyarization before WWI. And we, Romanians, we know it well. Also this is general knowledge for Serbs, Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenes etc.. But, by all means, you may think these are lies and propaganda, as many Magyars of today do believe...
As a Romanian, I will tell you this we were invaded from loads of countries why? Because we have gold, oil what you need we have also our territorial map should be larger then is at the precedent stage is a sad story.
And your people stilll ride in horse carriages, shut up.
@Mihnea Tomoiaga i live in romania man its true romania is pretty garbage...
@@acid7673 I live in Romania too, it depends by region. Also I haven't see horse carriges in years.
Greetings from România mdfkrs. For all those who fell they was left behind in our Holly ground they can anytime cross the border back to their mother land or even further at origin Ruths deep in Mongolia or middle of nowhere
November 13, 1918 My Grandfather entered Budapest! Yes myself I'm 💯% Romanian 🇷🇴 Love my country and i don't want to annoy no one here but i can say it loud and proud. Old man i'm Proud Of U! Peace. 🌎✌
Kár hogy a fele magyar
🇷🇴👍👍💪💪🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
@PCfighter touché
@PCfighter 0% culture 🥱
@Vasile Chiriac in 1916. The Hungarian rolyal army, the Hungarian Husszárok, the 8th army from the 3rd devision, and Little German army march to Bucharest in 1916.
Ahhh dear Romania, our (Slovak) only reliable ally. Romanians helped us in 1918 and 1919. Romanians liberated many slovak territories in 1945 too. And then they left because thats true liberation (on the other hand, Russians become occupants almost instantly). Romania also refused to attack us in 1968. So big thanks to Romania from Slovak people. Maybe we should kick Orbans Hungary out of V4 and invite Romania instead.
We had another allies too, shamefull ones.
- France, which gave czechoslovak territories to Hitler during Munich conference. In slovak history books its called Munich betrayal because we were military allies. France should defend Czechoslovakia and vice versa. But I guess French paid for it a few years later...
- Russia attacked us in 1968 and occupied us till 1991. Founding member of warsaw pack (Russia) attacking member of warsaw pack (Czechoslovakia)...ridiculous.
Yes to Romania in V4, and acest for V4 to Black Sea!!
yeah, Ceausescu said NO to the russian troops
I know it's frustrating living in minor history country. Slovakia younger than myself, Romania was formed in 1859, and they were eating kebab with the ottomans till😅
@@Saints1885 Hungarians should stop pretending they are British national museum. You cant steal history of all. Kebab? Haha, very funny. And you have centuries old experience of eating kebab because Hungarians were under Ottomans occupacion...but I guess, even ottoman sultans were actually Hungarians, according to hungarian history books.
Respect both from Bulgaria
Respect to you too brother!
Respect from Romania to you too!
Respect man we like bulgaria
Much respect for the bulgarian all inclusive and cucambers!
This is the best video on post-WWI Eastern Europe. Splendid!
@Aleks Kevyn Death to Moscow! Death to the Neo-Bolsheviks - enemies of Europe!
@Aleks Kevyn How the wheel turns... :) We used to say: Russians built their "union" with tanks, Brussels built their "union" with banks, but the goal is the same.
@@meleardil Brussels does not orchestrate famines where millions of people die at the hands of bloodthirsty Bolsheviks.
@@busterbiloxi3833 All communism culminates with famine, gulags and massgraves. This one wont be different...
@@meleardil The EU is not communist.
I am British and this is all new to me. I have visited Romania but not Hungary. First thing to say is all the countries involved have come a long way from this. And it helps me understand a little more different attitudes towards European peace and integration in m own country compared with those in mainland Europe. We have had settled borders for a thousand years so do not understand how important it is to build institutions to prevent war in Europe.
Please come back in the EU. A weakened EU (without the UK) only plays in Russia's favor.
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 we are talking about a revote in left circles since we are deeply against the vote, although we are not sure if we will get the revote as nationalist parties use it as fuel. Btw where you from?
Romania have stolen Transylvania from Hungary, it was part of Hungarian Kingdom for 1000 years. The Entente (British and French) gave Transylvania to Romania, it was the deathy penalty of 1000 yrs old Hungarian Kingdom, that lost 70 % of its territories, because of the judgment of the Entente. The real reason was that they wanted to kill Austria -Hungary forever. Romanians always lie about history .
Neville Chamberlain said that Czeckoslovakia was a small, minor country of strange people and culture. I'm glad that you see that Albion is part of the European Family of Nations. ONE EUROPE - FROM THE ATLANTIC TO THE MEDITERRANEAN - AND BEYOND! Glory to Ukraine! Death to Moscow!
@@busterbiloxi3833 Hopefully one day, after our time, when Russia or at least parts of it, cam join other European nations. I don’t know if you have ever been but if they are not Europeans l don’t know what they are. Our view of the country is distorted by two things. First, we equate the people with the governments which have been horrible for over a century. Second we think of it as one thing when it is amazingly diverse. Alright almost everyone is white but they is a huge mixture of Tartars, Bashkars, Cossacks etc etc. What we think of as Russia is a federation of states. Russia is fantastic to visit as they have genuine hospitality culture, despite all the propaganda. Putin and his like is not Russia. After Ukrainians, the biggest losers in the war are Russians.
We love you Romania 🇭🇺 ❤️ 🇷🇴
Romania loves you too!
you should, cause without us you would have been all musulmans
@@AliveForMusic common....
I'll not go as far to say I love Hungary :) But that's not because of Hungarian people, but because I guess I couldn't say that about any country in the world. I love humans in general, though, especially those that are kind :D
@Hungary #1 Hey, I've actually answered to ''why?'' It's got nothing to do with Hungary, I don't love any other country either :))) Regarding injustices, I'm sure those exist, on both sides, as literally they exist for any other two neighboring nations on Earth. Btw, do you understand that whenever you would say that to a Romanian (''Because Hungarian people will not accept the injustice you have done to them?''), he will go ''Uh? What are you even talking about?''. P.S: I;m not sure how this got from: 1) Hungarian stating ''We love you Romania'' and 2) '' I love humans in general, especially those that are kind'' to 3 '' injustices''. You're on the wrong topic I guess. What's that reaction you speak of?! ''We love you Romania''? This does not make sense.
You can get a lot of new fans adding at least spanish subtitles. Very few or none war youtubers in spanish speak about this "less important" front. I hope u can do this effort. Greetings from Chile.
No need to say "thank you, Romania"! You are welcome, Hungary!
Thank you, Romania! For giving back northern Transylvania in 1940.
@@matesajben5274 Thank you, Hungary! For giving it back in 1944! Thank you again for being such nice hosts in 1919, 1944 and 1953.
Thank you!
All romanians should thank to the Entente powers that they gived Romania 103 093 km2 land from Hungary. So Romania became 238 397 km².
@@Horvath-Peter Give? We conquered. The title of this video is the Hungarian - Romanian war.
You lost, we won. Cha cha.
@@DerDop Not even conquered. More like liberated. How can you conquer your own people?
let's be grateful to the Romanian people 👏, they were a barrier to the Islamic Ottoman invasion in Europe, a great and brave people . Respect !
WHAT...? and what about stronghold Hungarian Kingdom and Hunyadi János? ever heard of? omg
@@msmajmia7896 ur just brainwashed by Hungarian education system
@Cypher
hahaha
recently it has been PROVEN, genetically, that all those Hungarian heros had NOTHING to do with the vlachs...
Ceaucescu lied to you, as always... 🥱😋
@@msmajmia7896 something is fishy about that study.
@@cafta
I show you what is fishy :
your socalled history... :-DDD
YT:
"A románok igazi történelme. Románul tudó magyaroknak" (The real history of the Romanians. for Hungarians who can speak Romanian)
and
" Magyar korona, román korona - Ioan Talpeș, a román titkosszolgálat volt elnöke”
(Hungarian Crown, Romanian Crown - Ioan Talpeș, former President of the Romanian Secret Service)
we know that here in the Carpathian basin there always lived people who spoke a language similar to Hungarian, and in old-Europe as well !! BEFORE the devastating Roman invasion … old-Greek, old-Celtic, old-Etruscan are no „vanished” languages… for they are very familiar to Hungarian ears …(also ancient Sumerian word roots are surprisingly similar to Hungarian!)
AND
Genetics have only PROVEN what we Hungarians ever knew, see also in one of our codexes:
Wikipedia: Chronicon Pictum ENGLISH article (WHY is the Romanian article so short….? :-D )
that our roots are far-far in Middle-Asia, via Georgia up to Iran ...
where people, very similar to us live... those with that fantastic steppe culture… and they KNOW about us and that we are relatives
unfortunately, they have been overrun by islam, that almost deleted their ancient culture.
still they respect us and invited us to the "Turkic Council" (not Turkish...)
they remember and call themselves „Atilla’s folks”, some 27 tribes.
YT: "What is the Turkic Council?"
appr. 300 mill population, strong economies, tendency growing … :-D
we are NOT alone in this world, and we are strong together.
Never talk to an Italian officer about your war plans (11:40).
In fact the Italians helped a lot in those times. Hungarians were stupids to not keep their secrets
@@MrQ454 they did pretty well in Czechoslovaki ata that period
@@robertmifkovic6325 that is an incomplete narrative about that history, even in the wiki you found more: "...On 20 May 1919, a force under Colonel Aurél Stromfeld attacked and routed Czech troops from Miskolc. The Romanian Army attacked the Hungarian flank with troops from the 16th Infantry Division and the Second Vânători Division, aiming to maintain contact with the Czech army. Hungarian troops prevailed and the Romanian army retreated to its bridgehead at Tokaj. There, between 25-30 May, Romanian forces were required to defend their position against Hungarian attacks. .." So the Romanians contributed with troops on that front, also they fought in the almost same time with Ukrainians and Bolsheviks in the East.
Sources for that post are unbalanced, almost all presents only Hungarian view, there are absolutely not one from Romania!
@@MrQ454 Since the events were richly recorded by the numerous Entente diplomats observers and military attaches, it is easier to prove the Hungarian point of view, because Romanian point of view is often very far from the official Entente observers and records.
@@csongorcsillogo1440 And how you know what it is the Romanian point if you simply don't look?!
I looked on the all the views and I could see what Hungarians simply try to mystify. There were also Entente officials with different opinions.
The sources are very clear unbalanced! 4 Hungarian, 1French, 1 Polish, 1 American, 1 English and you try to convince me that are objective and moderate?!
"miserable little nation of Romania" I guess the Austrians still love this western phrase in 2022... but this arogance only confirms the real power of the underdogs.
Trăiască România, trăiască românii ! Glorie eternă eroilor români !
This period of our history has always been hazy...it still is somewhat, hazy, somewhat boring and certainly very troubled. But you did a great job putting it all together. Thank you.
Romania will rise again! Love
Thank you for drawing attention to these lesser-known conflicts. Great description of what is often very complex situations.
I thought Indy could not be replaced.
But damn did I enjoyed this episode, part because of the fact that I'm Romanian, but also part because of the host. Great job man
Thanks!
I really think that I know about history. But all the post WW1 conflicts - I've never heard about any of this until you guys brought it up. Thank you very much.
Most of Romanians themselves do not know exactly what happened in 1919, because during the Communist regime (1945 - 1989), it was impossible (and forbidden) to talk to pupils in schools about how Romania destroyed the first Bolshevic regime exported by USSR in Europe! :-)
Fascinating conflicts after WW1 such as Russian Civil War,Polish-Soviet War, Baltic states struggle for independence,Irish War of Independence,Greco- Turkish War which was part of the Turkish War of Independence,3rd Anglo-Afghan War,revolt in Mesopotamia(Iraq) 1920 and the conflicts and campaigns in north Africa involving both Spain and France against Riff tribesmen.
I'm going to say this in every one of your videos, but your pronounciation of French is excellent. Félicitations pour votre travail, mon cher !
Hungary and Romania, you're both wonderful peoples, take care of yourselves.
Long live Romania
The latin country from the East who kept their identify between a sea of slavs
Except hungary ! They are not slavs. They are huns
@@danielirimescu312 they're part just like us
@@aiurea1 o just made a correction. Hungarians are not slavic people. By the way i love goulash
@@danielirimescu312 slavs settled in Hu and Ro too, but they evetually blended in. Hu and Ro have a few elements in common.
@@danielirimescu312 , they are not huns. between the presence of the huns in Pannonia and the coming of the maghyars is almost 500 years. Huns were relatives of the mongols, originated in Altai, but the maghyars were fino-ugric people. Is no ethnic connection between them
One should love a person not because he belongs to a certain ethnic group but because of the person he is.
That would be ideal. Unfortunately, in practice this has happened rarely.
I'm an expat American living in Romania. I recently took a road trip with some Romanian friends through Transylvania, Bucovina, and Maramures. Romania is a very beautiful country! However, we were refused service at a hostel, a hotel, and a restaurant because we were not Hungarians! One restaurant wanted to charge us 50 Lie per table after they found that most of our party was Romanian.
Is this animosity caused by resentment over WWI? I found it very annoying; but, my Romanian friends took ii stride.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, friend. I hope this hasn't discouraged you from having these excursions again!
Perhaps next time you should consider avoiding those parts you had trouble in and visit the rest of the country!
edit: I forgot to answer the question. It's caused by resentment over not just simply WWI, but over 1000 years of conflict between our ancestors over Transylvania.
When you'll go next time just slap'em.
Yes we are angry that you would enslave 3 million Hungarian under the fairytale dacia project.
1: i strongly believe youre just a romanian who tries to ruin the hungarians image
2: the "beautiful" parts of romania were built by hungarians and germans. it simply doesnt belong to romania
3: before u attack and say something stupid, im an arab, not hungarian or even european
@@zubrifikusummuk It is incredible, I think you live in a parallel reality, there are lots of video even on youtube or presented at news were romanians who visited the western part of Transilvania were ignored or asked to live ithe restaurants or franchise businesses owned by hungarians because they don t take orders from romanians.. this tensions really exist, are not so frequent but treating them as a " try of ruination" is totally a lack of counciousness.
Deeply disappointed. Not much of a bloodbath in the comments :(
@Nobody Knows "Why would it be?" Because people are territorial apes with overinflated egos. And this is the RUclips comments section. A deadly mix :))
Found your channel recently and I love it. The thumbnails of colorized B&W photos really sets the theme for your channel and acts as a sort of portal to the world you are about to enlighten us on. Thanks for all your hard work.
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How did you get your name to look like that?
@@kevinboros7427 Like what?
@@roskcity I think he means the verified tick
Love hungary and romania.
Love hungarian and romanian .......girls
@@SpasticStolas ok
@@SpasticStolas kinda dumb
@@martonszucs8887 yea man
@@SpasticStolas gratulálok bazdmeg
My friend in 3rd grade was Hungarian. Her name was Maria. Her mom and my mom were friends. I respect Hungarians.
There was a period when Google refused to let me log in. I am finding these gems from The Great War slowly but surely. Thank you for a very interesting video.
One "funny" bit is, Horthy's advance and victory from the south, was actually sponsored and armed by the Romanian government. He sure did appreciate it two decades later.
:( At least we got Transylvania back! Still mad about Bessarabia and Bucovina though... Also Silistra but not that much.
@@kevinboros7427 Transylvania was nevert part of Romania before 1920.
Csongor Csillogó you are just a copy paste which you suffer because TRANSILVANIA came back to the MODERLAND!!!!
You better watch what your nationalist Prime Minister is doing and how he get your country out of Europe ....
Live the History for some objective people to comment!!!!
YOU WILL NEVER EVER INVADE ANY ROMANIAN LAND ANYMORE!!!! SO DEAL WITH THAT MR COPY PASTE!!!!
@Botond kovács the Hungarians haven't had a proper claim on Transilvania since Trianon.
@@csongorcsillogo1440>won 3 Wars >ethical majority >politically ours >and you had it for 400 year, we had it for 100 years, but with your logic Hungary should be Austrian or Turkish since they conquered it in the past
Traiasca Romania Mare!
Care?
Si eu care credeam ca am scapat de Vadim si fanaticii lui!
@@danradu8370 nimeni nu tea intrebat nimic copile , si invata sa scri
@@averageminecraftenjoyer1792 mai bine te luai de sandor sau nu ai inteles nimic si vezi ca nu sunt copil
I am romanian and if we meet any hungarians we sometimes argue about who owns Transilvania, it's basically a joke now.
you speak Hungarian? or how exactly do you talk to them
Almost all Hungarian people from Romania, they speak Romanian language .
@@djcrazy4788 but they refuse to speak it. They do not own transylvania, they stole it 1000 years ago when they came from Asia. It's an easy argument to win since they are 100% wrong.
@@leontrotsky3602 Where were romanianas 1000 years ago? Transylvania belongs to Hungary. They have been living there for centurys, while nothing like Romania even exists.
@@piotrkulpa8034 my guy, have you heard of the Dacians? Like the Romanian ancestors… or they do not count, because… ?
I don’t remember reading anything about Hungary or Hungarians at the time. Weird, right? Care to clarify where exactly was Hungary and the Hungarian people or their ancestors at the time? I believe I made my point. Hungary had occupied it for a while and now they don’t anymore. End of story. Ps. I have nothing against you (HU) but this can’t still be a subject of discussion. It’s just silly. By this logic, the Romanian army entering Budapest, that would mean Budapest should be Romanian because Romanians were there once, right? Didn’t think so
The East European Contries fight between themselves, while the west were making rules...LOL
I hope all the East European countries will wake up and get wise, pulling together and prosper instead being played by the west
That's what i keep saying. If Romania and Poland, and sure, Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia would band together to rise economically as a cohesive group, would present a real influence at the treaty table. And would also balance the west-east various trifles and would make the EU stronger. After all we all are europeans, we should learn to play better with each other and build a better tomorrow.
@@somnorila9913 the V4 is a similar thing, involves hun, pol, slk, czech
@@somnorila9913 They will never cooperate properly, the Treaty of Trianon created an unresolvable grudge between countries in the Pannonian Basin.
This division was the western powers' primary intention.
wise words my friend
@@mastermindd For this part of Europe no solution would have made things better. The biggest mistake, IMO, was that the land-swaps were not followed by population replacements as well, like it happened in many parts of Europe after World War 2.
I hope Romania and Hungary will never go to war again.
Well this comment section is a war zone between the two
@Balázs Gólya Don't hold your breath.
@Mihai Ciubotaru that's 100% never
@Balázs Gólya lets compromise, you get the Hungarians and we keep the territory, everyone's happy :)))
@Balázs Gólya More Romanians live in those territories since way before the times your people came to Europe. I know you don't like to be reminded of your origins, but maybe it's time for you to embrace the truth.
The Carpathian Mountains are Romanian mountains! Since the days of the Romans!
hahaha
@@msmajmia7896 whats funny
The Carpathian Mountains were already there BEFORE the Romans, who occupied and ruined Europe and the ancient nations ...
WHAT is Rome and WHO are the Romans??? Romans were and are a shame: divide-et-impera, thats all they are capable of.
Us, Hungarians have ever fought AGAINST the unfortunately still living-on ROME, that is the prison of nations, a sinister Imperium.
Today it is settled in the usa and called the deep state and rules over the EU.
Already King Atilla has defeated them. Whatever empire tried it with us, we Hungarians have finally overcome and survived them.
The Carpathian Basin must be an island of peace for the mutual benefit of all the peoples, folks and nations living here.
The Carpathian mountains are not yours or ours : they belong to Our Blessed Lady, Queen of the Carpathian Basin.
This is our ancient divine law. This is our mission to fulfill here and makes us a strong nation and it will last forever or at least until this law will be enforced.
Earlier or later even you MUST understand it.
"The peasants did not want to sell their land to the State..." I think you got it wrong, the Socialist State did not buy any land in any country from the peasants, it only took it by force and with lots of victims.
Source: trust me, bro, bloody communism are always bad!111
Ahh much more of a relevant sponsor than the previous app that sponsored the show. Many thanks for that!
Le finálé... Is fantastic
An admiral becomes the head of state for a landlocked country.... The best remark ever.
maybe he was in command of a fleet on the Balaton lake...
@@carron979
Sorry for the long time that i've replied .... RUclips didn't notify me about your coment
A landlocked country doesn't need a navy 😂😂😂.
Why the duck do you need to spend money on a fleet when the only body of water is itself landlocked and is in no dispute with any neighbor, that lake is not shared with any neighbor... Hungary is the only owner.
The navy is defending the lake from whom? From aliens?
😂😂😂😂
That is the best example of ... Well spent public money 😅😅😅
Daddy what's a clusterfuck? Watch the next "The Great War" video and you'll get that whatever the result could be, people will have a hard time.
*Guys please keep the comment section nice and good*
Peace ✌️
Cant we all discuss violent conflict in peace!?
;)
That 1 min 30 to start the video tho. F that.
... that 2 minutes for me to write this. F that.
Yeah...kill the extremists!!
We have peace, we just don't agree, because we cant. The geopolitical reality wont let us.
A century later, Romanian Internet Troops engage Hungarian Internet troops in a fierce battle for the territory of the comment section
I have found some interesting info about the language policies in the armed forces of Austria-Hungary Empire, and the conflict between Vienna and Budapest on this topic. I am presenting here an excerpt from the book of Pieter M. Judson , *The Habsburg Empire: A New History* , Belknap Press, 2016 (pages 431-432)
Fighting digital wars in online comment sections is so much cooler than fighting them in real life on bloody battlefields.
I know right?
What this video fails to mention is that during the occupation the romanians also tried to alleviate the hunger in Hungary by providing foodstuff.
Also to everyone who thinks the conditions imposed on Germany were too harsh, take a look at the requirements imposed by the germans on the romanians in 1917...
Yeah they gave out occupation food stamps and checks for money. I have one of those in my collection. There's also a lot of photographs of how the soldiers interacted with civilians, if anyone here says it's not documented.
@@angeloh.7746 send me
They used some nasty words about Romania. They must've been very upset Romania didn't comply with their orders :).
Romania:Do we have to teach this lesson again you old man!
*old man shaking his cane at taunting young people*
Thank you for bringing up these topics. They have enduring value. And I will certainly check the Mak Wheldon clothing.
Your not the only one who saw the irony of an Admiral taking control of a long locked country. Great job.
The Great War: This will be the war to end all wars.
Hungary Yes...
Romania ...but no
Start wars and complain when you loose... HAHAHA!
@@AlexanderSSI You weren't paying attention.
You blame Roumania for following instruction from Antante and defending against commies
@@alexsamu3478 Well, the commie takeover was only possible because of the double dealings of Entente and the military actions of Romania, so.... Signing the Belgrade treaty (wich clearly states that territories north of the Mures remain under Hungarian control), but subsequenly allowing Romania to cross the Mures and not informing Hungary about the change was the chief cause of the governmental collapse. People lost faith in both of the democratic forces and in the negotiations with the entente/little entente, allowing the birth of the famed "nazbol" mostrosity.
@@AlexanderSSI lmao, whend did Hunagry started the Great War? Yeah, Austria-Hungary for sure but also the Hungarian goverment and Prime Minister István Tisza was strongly against the Ultimatum and declaration of war.
I am Romanian and this was most enlightning
@Aleks Kevyn Can you specify what would be a more accurate approach? I'm getting more and more interested in these things, the more I learn - they never told us in school we occupied Hungary or other stuff
@@IoachimSavianPopovici don't believe this, this is propaganda, we didn't wanna conquer them, we had to defeat the Bolsheviks. they even featured anti romanian quotes in the video. i suggest you try a book or even Wikipedia than this. it's been a trend in the past few years to spread anti romanian propaganda on the internet. they were completely impartial, and portrayed us as literal thieves are you joking.
@@im_so_bored3896 I don't know... it seemed OK to go there, from the video, except for communist who, of course, hate us for it, but the video says that the actual occupation of the country didn't go so well. If we did everything by the book, that's great, but, if we made any mistakes, I want to know, cause that would explain why some people have resentment towards us
@@IoachimSavianPopovici yeah fair enough, idk to me they seem to be quite biased. i don;t even know why i care, i'm not a nationalist, i'm quite a progressive person but there comes a point where i too have had enough of ppl bashing on romanians as a people group.
popovici..serbian surename??
Jesse, I have just discovered your channel and this great analysis of obscure (to the western world) conflicts that still affect international relations today.
Happy watching!
I'm romanian and I have hungarians in my family. 🇷🇴 🇭🇺 🇪🇺👍
Half romanian then
@@RealSnuuy I'm not hungarian, but some relatives of mine are
it"'s sad
@@timeanagy8495 what's sad ?
@@timeanagy8495 Sad that people can get along?
Horthy would go on to restore the Kingdom of Hungary but instead of a king, Horthy was elected regent for life. He mostly stayed out of internal political affairs until the lead up to World War II, when he finally had the opportunity to reclaim the lost territories.
Fun Fact: Hungary wasn’t the only “kingdom without a king” in 20th century Europe. In 1948, Francisco Franco, who had led a fascist regime known as the Spanish State to that point, restored the Kingdom of Spain, and took a position as regent for life very similar to Horthy’s. Spain remained a “kingdom without a king” until 1975.
It could also be argued, although less so, that from 1918-1949 Germany was a “kingdom without a king” as well, as the state continued to be known as the German Realm (Greater German Realm from 1943-45) through 1949. However during the monarchical days it was more commonly known as the “German Imperial Realm” unofficially, and the usage of this decidedly ended in 1918 with the fall of the monarchy, and no regency ever occurred.
Kingdom of WHATTT ? There was no such Kingdom...only in them ill-erotical dreams ...
horthy will restore :)))))) ha haaaa how can a coward like horthy to restore something because he was a coward he run from hungary in 1944
horthy had help from the germans in 1940 and this is all about horthy
You gotta miss the old chair of wisdom,where wisdom was given,quotes shall be memorised and Flo was granted raises.
Flo flo flo flo flo flo
I hate when people say Romania "stole" the territory Hungary "owns" (which was stolen from Romania in the first place).
Dont be naive check history because Transilvania was hungary teritory from the beggining, verifica istoria ai fost indoctrinat gresit
@@DoyPac copile explicami si mie de ce transilvania e plina de romani , trebuie sa ne unim si cu moldova
@@costelpraduitoru2792 Nu trebuie sa ne unim cu nimeni Transilvania a fost tinut autonom multe sute de ani, apoi a facut parte din imperiul ungar un imperiu care a fost infiintat in anul 1000 Romania o tara relativ noua infiintata in 1859 a furat teritoriul Transilvania. Chiar daca suntem romani inceteaza cu apelativul de "copile" si alte chestii care incearca sa ma denigreze si mai invata istoria, istoria aia adevarata nu tampeniile cu care te-a indoctrinat la scoala
@@DoyPac Romania nu a furat absolut nimic. Poporul transilvanean a votat in 1918 unirea cu Romania. Transilvania este teritoriu romanesc, unde traim de peste 2300 de an in continuu. A fost un teritoriu cotropit de altii, dar componenta si caracterul romanesc a ramas aici constant. Copile, te rog eu frumos, pune mana pe cartile de istorie. Citeste, invata si respecta natiunea din care faci parte. Ca roman transilvanean sunt dispus sa ma jertfesc pentru Bucuresti la nevoie, avand in vedere ca regatul a trimis spre osanda sute de mii de romani ca noi sa fim liberi azi si sa putem sa ne vorbim limba stramoseasc pe pamantul nostru sfanta. Traiasca Romania Mare! Honor et patriae! Gloria aeterna!
Great story telling, diction and accuracy... a story well documented.
Congrats!
A Great Lie in the Age of Great Lies!
@@aranykert You may be imortal, but you live in vain 😂. What is true, Hungary is the defender of Europe, the best nation of all, the ones who been the first, everywhere?? By the way, it's a doubt who been the first on The Sun 😂, Hungarians or North Koreeans?
@@ToolTestandUnboxingI know! The disputed land Manchuria sounds like Magyaria, which claimed by the Japanese, the Koreans and the Chinese! The Emperors on all sides were born there pretty much! :))
I'm Hungarian.
I LOVE (and know a bit ) history and this is just BRILLIANT Jesse!
Very difficult times, difficult subject but perfect description of the age and the REAL happenstances!
..and even as an East Europian should say: super ironic story telling!
:D
Many thanks for teaching the Planet!
As a Romanian, I totally agree with you and I hope that more people learn our common history and learn from those mistakes. It's sad that there is a historical hate between our nations and that we can't just get along as neighbours. This war that Russia started agains Ukraine made us realise how much we depend on our neighbours, especially near powerful countries ruled by mad old man.
@@danpristavu3148 Thank you that there are people who think like this. Unfortunately, quite a few people are still fueling the chaos.
(a Hungarian)
@Alsky The ones that don't know the history will do that, just like the "proud Romanians" that can't take the blame for the state our country finds itself in. But educational videos like this one, and open minded people like the ones from this topic, both Hungarian and Romanian, will make us get over our historical beef and start acting like decent neighbours.
@Alsky I Live in Cluj-Napoca, a city where the Hungarian population is noticeable, and it's always fun to see people that don't see nationality getting along just fine and enjoying each others company, while the nationalists and "old school" just sit in their corner and complain. Life moves on, people need to let go of some of our past mistakes, but not forget them. Know your history so you don't repeat its mistakes. Once people understand this, they will see that we are not that different
@@danpristavu3148 Know your history? Romanians don't know even their own history. We Hungarians would be very friendly and forget the past if we occupied another country's 2/3 part too... Your "Cluj-Napoca" (horrible Romanian name) had 80-90% Hungarian majority. A big part of them were immediately deported from the city after 1919, and 10 thousands Olah's moved in their houses. The Hungarian univeristy was Romanianized, or closed, the Hungarian students were persecuted.
Trăiască România Mare de la Nistru pân-la la Tisa!
Sorry but when Romania ocupated Budapest the Entant banned Romania to ocupate Transylvania all the way to the Tisza. But you can still get back Bessarabia and North bukovina.
@@milandobai1123 i am OK with current borders with hungqey. Its just I'd obv prefer it if we got more land for the same reasons you like that you didn't lose more land