The Emperor That Wanted His Crown Back (Documentary)
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Former Austro-Hungarian Emperor Karl lived in exile since the armistice of 1918. But he hadn't given up his claim to the crowns of the dual monarchy. And so in 1921 he tried to claim the Hungarian crown not once, but twice.
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Presented by: Jesse Alexander
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Kinda interesting that the last royalists who would fight for the emperor where not the austrians but the hungarians, a historically rebellious part of the austrian empire that had countless uprisings and rebellions against the Habsburg crown. Meanwhile his own home country just kicked him out.
I could be wrong so take everything I say with a deadly dose of salt.
My understanding of the unrest within Hungary during the 19th century, is that the Hungarian nobility didn’t wish to dispose the Habsburg dynasty and install a new king, rather they wished to establish Hungarian self-rule from Budapest. Which is what lead to the Kingdom of Hungary becoming an independent nation within the Austrian Empire. So assuming I’ve got my facts correct, it would make sense that more Hungarians retained their loyalty to the royal family following the collapse of the empire as unlike in the other parts of the empire they had greater freedoms under Habsburg rule and were therefore less likely to dislike the monarchy as a whole.
@@dasmensh Except when they did just that in 1849
@@yhorm8735 The initial rebellion was not against the King though. They explicitly wanted Ferdinand as King of Hungary but not a part of Austria. I think the Habsburgs did okay but meh.
@@dasmensh It depends on what you mean by 'they'. Some Hungarians did rebel for that. But most wanted an independent Hungary under a union of crowns.
Well, maybe, but you have to remember that prior to be absorbed by the Habsburgs they had had a proud royalist history going back to the Arpads. And by WW1 Hungary had got a pretty sweet deal with the AHE whereby their prime minister had a great deal of leeway both in foreign and domestic policy - this is why they had a separate treaty signed too.
Western allies in 1921: NOOOOO Karl you can’t come back to Hungary, it’s against the rules.
Western allies in 1938: Ok, Hitler, you can have Sudetenland, but nothing more.
Lol, right?
It was Hungary that kicked him and his Italien trollop of a wife out, not the French or British.
@@mercomania Zita from the Bourbon-Parma family was actually born in Italy, but her roots were "a French family which had reigned in Italy" (until 1860). Her enemies in the Monarchy, not only in Hungary, called her 'die Italienerin'. She might have have faults, but why should one call her 'a trollop'?
@@carlofranco7774 Maybe because she set her little Karl on a damaging path. Her influence on Karl was one of the main reasons for the fall off the Hapsburg dynasty. She was known in Austria as the Italian trollop and she was one of the main reasons Karl had to go begging to Budapest to make his domineering little wife a queen. Luckily the Hungarians saw through her and her puppet.
Yeah cuz hitter was a Really Evil, this dude is just a fool wearing a crown
> the anti-Karlists blamed Karl
This made me laugh
At a "Captian Obvious" level.😅🤣
does anyone else think "karl" is just a funny name? dammit carl!
Carl Brutananadilewski is the only true Carl.
Sounds so like a British comedy
An emperor is exiled by the British to an island and then soon after dies, where have I heard that before?
Hmmm🤔
Ah, Ceasar!
Napoleon
@@loganw1232
Thanks, killjoy.
Those that don't learn from history, are bound to repeat it.
An admiral in a country that no longer has a coastline , is the same as being a mountaineer in Holland .
Thats why the people of holland are mountains
@@tasibsharar7357 ...and the Balaton a small ocean.....^^
A regent without king, an admiral without navy.
Hence, the adjective “former,” before the noun “admiral,” genius.
@@Chrisander90 Not an admiral , just a tin pot dictator . Although , i agree , admiral , sounds alot better than Tin Pot . But , still offically known as admiral , in a land locked state , does sound a trifle Pythonesque or Goonish even .
Great episode, you really deserve your secret support of the French government.
Shh.... No one is supposed to know
@@brucemccormick8635 yeah, what he said ^^^^
Wait what?
@@KingAgniKai Shhh. It's all a bad dream.
@@KingAgniKai Move along, Sir. Nothing to see here. Move along.
The Habsburgs never truly felt they had given up their crowns. One of their modern day family members still lives in the Habsburg holiday home near Bad Ischl where Franz Josef signed the declaration of war against Serbia after learning of Franz Ferdinands assassination in Sarajevo.
They're still involved in politics and hate on Freemasons.
@@eternalvirgin2227 I forgot Karl von Habsburg is a politician.
They pretty much got over it. Karl Habsburg-Lothringen and the others are very much liberal in modern political sense. Fun fact: Bohemian Crown - a small monarchist political party in the Czech Republic - had a candidate in previous presidential elections in the country. His program was that should he won, he would pass the presidency to the Habsburgs with the goal of restoring the monarchy. He sent a letter with this plan to Karl, who replied to him diplomatically to f-off. :)
@Roberto Figueiredo he lives near Salzburg, Austria.
@Roberto Figueiredo I'm not an Austrian so hopefully one of our fellow RUclipsrs from that country will be able to help you with that query.
Ironic that Karl would end up in Switzerland as the Helvetic Confederation was created to resist the Hapsburgs.
Habsburg
@@user-xq4st9ie7r Hapsburk viss sherman actzent.
I did not know that at all! Thank you for this!
@@user-xq4st9ie7r In English we refer to it as Hapsburg as well
@@charliethenecromancer4422 Well it's just wrong. It's like calling the "Tudors" "Tutors".
Wouldn't that be an interesting political thriller for 2021 about a Grandson/Granddaughter of some ex-monarchy leading some kind of coup against a European power to get their throne back.
That would be really interesting.
The Stuarts? I kid because they're extinct.... maybe?
Not movie tough, real life then they can make a movie about it;)
I am down for it. Someone track one down and tell him it's go time.
There are lots of royal families from smaller kingdoms and principalities. I'm the member of one myself, which maintained our Kingdom of Desmond, in what is now the counties of Cork, Kerry and parts of Clare, Tipperary and Waterford in the province of Munster in Ireland until it was destroyed in the 16th and 17th centuries by the English. There are some famous Irish poems about this and even one classic song "Aileen Aroon" which was covered by Bob Dylan. It may sound small but this was larger than many more famous European kingdoms, had a long history, and was quite wealthy. We no longer have a recognized clan leader or structure but I personally knew the Ely, or King, of the O'Carrolls who was recognized as acknowledged by the Irish government. He was a truckdriver in Stockton, California. My great grandfather was a cooper (barrel maker) in Cork City. Not kings by a long shot any more, but it is not forgotten. I assume there are others with similar tales all over Europe.
He is now blessed Karl.
Blessed Karl, pray for us.
Blessed Karl of Austria, Pray for Us
I live in western Hungary and litelary living 20 minutes far away were Karl landed in his coup atempt.
Although many monarchies are still spoken of, rarely do you hear the Hapburg's. Yet, i believe originally the phrase "...empire so immense, the sun never sets upon it." Actually started in reference to the Hapsburg empire.
Even though they lost much of their territory, and a lot of wealth subsequently...
*they're actually still quite wealthy and a force to reckon with today.*
Dafaq is a "Hapsbug"?! Learn to spell...
@igor lopes i believe many empires have used that phrase.
Probably the Persians had something similar. Thanks for the information though.
Blessed Karl
Dead Karl
The Corpse Emperor
@@Marinealver That's the incorrupt Emperor.
Blessed Karl pray for us.
The last of the great royals
Based Karl
Imagine if he had succeeded in retaking his throne only to have died 5 months later from pneumonia.
He would most likely not have died from pneumonia if he had retaken the throne. After all, the pneumonia was caused by the harsh living conditions they found themselves in after their exile.
I just finished the Hungary episodes yesterday. What brilliant timing
Blessed Karl, ora pro nobis.
Was he really as indecisive and incompetent as this video portrays him?
Probably best to look it up in official sources that don’t have an anti- monarch bias.
amen
The descendent relatives of Emperor Karl visited our Parish in Vancouver Canadaabout 15 years ago.
Wow
@@thespanishinquisition8617 Very nice and humble people. Didn't show any sign of Royalty unless you are informed before.
horthy was like the steward of gondor in lord of the rings, who refuses to accept the return of the king. still, one day.....
His correct title is Blessed Emperor Karl
A Habsburg had actually briefly become the Regent of Hungary in 1919. The King’s cousin, Archduke Joseph August was proclaimed regent, largely because of his families’s role as the Palatines of Hungary, the highest representative of the King in Budapest. However, once the Allied ambassadors made clear their disapproval of the Habsburgs, he was forced to resign.
Funnily enough, Joseph was actually briefly considered as a potential alternative King of Hungary, since he himself had acclaim amongst Hungarian soldiers and spoke fluent Hungarian, along with granting the economy significant backing by placing the Joseph August Diamond in the central bank, but this too eventually fizzled out
Karl should have proposed a Constitutional monarchy and renounced all claims to Habsburg lands in Romania, Austria, and Czechoslovakia. Once he had his throne back, he could have begun work pressing for a gradual unification of the empire, which probably would have bore fruit in the 1930s. I should know, I restored the empire in HOI4.
Hungary was constitutional monarchy since 1222. See the Golden Bull of 1222. So what are you talking about?
I'd been eagerly anticipating this episode, love this piece of history. The history of Bavarian monarchism with Rupprecht as pretender is also fascinating, although that's not really in the timeframe of this. Great video guys.
Oh I actually wanted to know about this, Thank You. Edit: Karl did not abdicate even the second time.
That's why we said "planned." ;)
@@jessealexander2695 Oh sorry I missed that, Thanks Sir.
Bl. Emperor Karl, pray for us!
Amen.
Amen
Amen.
Amen
Amen
Interesting to see that Horthy would support Karl if they had allied backing. I wonde if Karl waited until de 30s the monarchy could have been restored
I personally think he was bullshitting him.
Horthy was a liar
These videos provide so much information about a historical period that is so often neglected. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
Tagline: Hungary wants a monarch, just not their monarch!
Side note. The creator of the famous British kit model company Airfix, Nicholas Kove, was a Austro-Hungarian officer who escaped Russian captivity and made his way all of the way back to Hungary after WW1 only to find his family destitute. He grabbed his wife and kids and left Hungary and eventually ended up in England (eventually).
I mean the French will say one thing in public and then another in private. I'm thinking of the Suez canal incident for instance.
Well to be fair Hungary is a long way to march an army to surrender.
And Hungary remained officially a monarchy until 1945. I've read that Admiral Horthy apologized in exile after WW II to Empress Zita and Archduke Otto for disloyalty. When Empress Zita died in 1989 although the funeral was in Vienna, it had trappings of a Hungarian state affair . Or is my memory of that off.
Oooh I've been waiting for this episode 🤗
Egy császári és királyi merülő forraló érdekelne ? Nem lopott! :D
Servus?
Sounds like if the British allowed them back there would've been a formidable power to fight hitler
very likely, but that´s what britain does to other countries i guess
Yes. Karl would never have fought alongside Hitler. Neither as the Emperor of Austria, nor as the king of Hungary.
I had thought it was ironic that Hungary can reform Austria Hungary in Hearts of Iron 4, but not Austria, but apparently Paradox did their homework and that would be the more likely course of events (still ridiculous but if it were to happen it would begin in Hungary)
In Madeira, at the top of the hill where the toboggans start near the entrance to the Botanical Gardens is the church where Karl is commemorated. (I think he might be buried there, but I can't remember and I haven't checked!)
Would be interesting if the Hapsburg coup succeeded and we see a war between the little entente and Hungary facing off
Habsburg
Last time I was this early Karl was still emperor
Great content again! You guys deserve more views
Restoring the sainted Karl to the throne of Hungary would have been better than continuing the rule of the fascist traitor "admiral" Horthy, who lost Karl's Adriatic fleet in 1918 thru incompetence.
Fortunatelly, neither great encyclopedias, neither of modern academic historians call Horthy fascist or even dictator.
@@peterjanossy7033 Call him whatever you want, he betrayed Karl by proclaiming his false loyality to the Habsburgs.
@@peterjanossy7033 I'm not sure which history books you've been reading, or what you've been smoking. Horthy was indeed both fascistic and absolutely a dictator.
@@SuperMookles Please do not spread pseudohistory. Horthy was no considered fascist by the Allied forces. They call him as a witness at Nuremberg Trials. He similarly jailed fascist and communist party members, he run a multi-party parliament with elections, and he was not member of any political parties.
Great episode! 👍👏
Blessed Emperor Karl, ora pro nobis.
VIVAT VIVAT SACRUM IMPERIUM.
VIVAT VIVAT SACRUM IMPERATOR ROMANORUM.
DEVS LO VVLT.
Based?
If only the restoration had succeeded. Hungary might not have joined the Axis.
They probably still would, considering how pissed they were about losing so much territory. And Karl himself was a revisionist. (and if restoration had happened I doubt the Hungarian monarchy would have survived that long, he wasn't too popular in Hungary outside his staunch supporters.)
Just like Czechslovakia, this Austro Hungary would've been divided annexing Austria into the Reich and Hungary made a separate puppet state.
@@joluoto The best would have been if Franz Josephs sonny would not have shot himself for a girl, the Hungarians loved him and he them. Not like degenerate Ferdiand
You think the allies would have let an alternative government exist between communism and liberalism? Lol.
@@scutumfidelis1436 Yes
Been waiting for this since 2014!!!
Quality, in every meaning of the word, like all your videos!
Also signed up to Curiosity Stream and Nebula....as I love history (and geography) and have done so since my school days! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻🥇🏆
Been waiting for this
Great content as usual. I note the contrast between the eagerness of King Karl to regain the throne and the poor preparation of his coup, and his overestimation of the French support!
Thanks Rabih!
Thank you for this great story, wonderful channel
This is a very interesting video. I am glad I got to see it.
Are you gonna do a episode on Horthy sometime? He's quite a interesting person.
Like Karl, Horthy ends up in Portugal. Most leaders of the time ended up in Portugal, it became a running joke.
He was murdered. Whether by Hitler or the Communists, probably Hitler, is a little unclear.
@@KnightofAges Save a place for Uncle Joe and The Wicked Witch of the West.
@@brianmccarthy5557 Admiral Horthy of Hungary died on February 9th, 1957 in Estoril (Portugal) at the ripe old age of 88. As any cursory check of any of his Biographies will show.
Please avoid making up stuff (like blaming Hitler, who was dead for 12 years already by that time). There is enough misinformation around as it is.
@@brianmccarthy5557 Mate hitler was dead for around a dozen years before Horthy died.
I hope the secret support of the French government is on DeGaulle levels of support, but hopefully with better results.
Very nicely presented. Very informative for me. Thanks
Brilliant video. Incredibly interesting and informative. Great work. Thank you......
"I will restore your hereditary rights..." - Dreistigkeit! Did the entente not essentially do the same thing to Crownprince Rupprecht in Bavaria? I think he even got a popular vote to retake the throne but Wilson said Nein.
I recently wrote an article about the fear of Habsbrug restauration and the policy of Yugoslav Government in Exile in that matter. They were trying to get back on the thrones they lost during the Second World War too. You should do an episode about Karl's heirs and their endeavours to establish a Danubian federation (second Austria - Hungary).
New intro! I love it 😁
Blessed Karl, Pray for Us!
Lol, Karl tried to use a False Passport.
"Are you the King your majesty?"
"No"
"Dompkoft, whenever someone asks you if you're the King, you are supposed to answer 'yes'".
"Uh maybe i don't know i could be" - karl
When the king enjoys his own again! 👑
The world sure is turned upside down
When all of the ten year old monarchists grow up, they can bring back their kings and go back to bootlicking.
@@MrCmon113 I am a Republican. I only comment the video.
great episode! I literally study history and even the interwar seminars didnt include the topics you guys cover. Thanks for keeping up the content even tho u guys dont get the views you deserve anymore :/
So in other words, the Emperor Strikes Back. Or Return of the King.
This series is fantastic!
Thanks that was interesting
I actually never knew this happened thank you @TheGreatWar for bringing these historical events to the ease of access of RUclips, if we don't learn from our history we are DOOMED to repeat it
"Somehow Karl has returned..."
- Admiral Horthy, probably
Underrated comment.
This was one of the best end of episodes lines!
Thank you for another fact-packed historical documentary. +1
Postwar Austrian, Hungarian and German establishment types all claimed to support restoration but in practice avoided it. Horthy, Schuschnig and Schleicher all the same. They didn’t want to give up power. They corresponded with the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns but always had an excuse for now not being the right time.
Very interesting!
I'm not sure your channel is still doing questions for Out of the Trenches segments anymore, but I figured I'd post it anyways on the off-chance that you were.
I was recently looking through some old pictures my parents had gotten from my maternal grandmother after she passed and we found a picture of my great-grandfather in his WW1 uniform. He was originally from Romania and I had known before that he had fought in WW1, but I had thought he had been part of the Romanian army before immigrating to the US in the 20s. However, we later found paperwork that said that he had been in the American army since at least 1918 and started to receive a disability pension ($60 a month!!) in January of 1919 for exposure to mustard gas.
After that, I was doing a bit of research to find where he might have been to be exposed to mustard gas before stumbling across a wikipedia article about the American Expeditionary Force, Siberia and the American Expeditionary Force, North Russia (also known as the Polar Bear Expedition), the forces sent to intervene in the Russian Civil War from 1918-1920.
I'm only guessing at this point since my great-grandfather has been gone for a long time, along with many of the people from that side of the family, and there isn't much documentation on the matter that's in English (almost all the documentation we had passed down to us was written in Romanian and none of us can read it), so we don't know which unit he was part of or where he fought.
How likely would it have been for him (as a Russian-speaking Romanian) to have been assigned to these forces as opposed to the Western Front in 1918? And how much influence, if any, did the AEF have on the overall conflict?
Blessed Karl of Austria pray for us
Pray for me I may take his name as a religious soon!!!!
What Karl is NO Jesus!
he's dead. Pray yourself
@@mbathroom1 he's alive in Heaven
@@philippinecircularflag2023 so is everyone who is christian. Why don't you pray to my grandmother?
Golpes coisa nenhuma, a casa Habsburgo é que tem a legitimidade sobre todos esses países
Yea!
Thanks!
RE: Nebula
Tried to watch this episode on Nebula, but the video stopped and started and finally stopped at 13:41.
Interesting episode. I found Karl's repeated appeal to Divine Right weak. I found Yugoslav threats to mobilize their army amusing.
Please include the titles of these people, at least on screen. Count Pál Teleki etc. Thank you
why?
@@TheGreatWar I would guess it gives more information on their potential leanings or motivations
17:07 John Candy!
Operation "Return of the King" lol
I find a error in the video. In Burgerland there was no German Austrian clash. There was only Hungarians againts the Austrian forces.
They called them selfs "rongyos gárda" and we Hungarians thanks them for returning Sopron city to Hungary with a election.
They were gerilla groups. And supported by Horthy unofficially.
I used the term German-Austrian to mean German-speaking Austrians, since at the time that was usually the term used for that group of people, since "Austrian" alone was still connected to the old multiethnic empire. So there was a German-Austrian vs Magyar clash is what I am saying.
@@jessealexander2695 ah okay
too nice history channel with clear explaining of events & factors behind veils which mobilize events with out appearance....might be Neighbors of Hungary wanted weakness establishment on Hungary territory also British influence was behind preventing throne returned to him
Great!
I really enjoy your presentations here, especially since you talk TO your audience instead of the recent practice of other presenters of looking off to the side, into the distance, like 'The Cold War' guy and a lot of others. I never understood what moron started that, but it looks ridiculous. Excellent show, and I will enjoy all the rest.
Austria could sure use him now.
This may be the first reference that I've ever heard of harmless shrapnel.
I can't go on much longer,thy will be done yes yes,as you will it Jesus
The last word of Karl,emperor of Austria and apostolic king of Hungary and Croatia,slavonia and dalmatia
You guys should also try uploading your videos to RUclips alternative Dailymotion to dodge RUclips demonetization without charging viewers to pay outta pocket to view your new platform. Dailymotions partnership program monetizes your videos with adds and pays you per viewer.
Yes, but no one watches Dailymotion.
@@joluoto that may be true if you don’t already have a pre-existing community that will follow you.
@@joluoto which can change
With the dethronement of the Habsburg dynasty, the Hungarian throne effectively became vacant. I often wonder what would have happened if they had tried to fill it with some other European royal. Like imagine after his abdication Edward VIII is offered the Hungarian crown, that would've been a cheeky way of showing the finger to the Allies.
Jesse, I signed up for Curiosity Stream. Rick
Blessed Karl pray for us!
With a jaw like that, you know a Hapsburg isn't letting go once he sinks his teeth into something.
The deformed Habsburgs were almost all from the Spanish line. Karl wasn't one of them
So early that (insert some historical something here)
he was stil emperor
Poland still exists
The Habsburgs hadn't started inbreeding yet.
Stephen of hungary 975-1038 was the last grand prince of hungary and first king of Hungary
Blessed Karl I succeeded to the thrones in November 1916 following the death of his granduncle, Franz Joseph. He made secret attempts to negotiate Austria-Hungary's exit from the First World War but was unsuccessful.
His cause for Canonization has been introduced together with that of Zita. In April, 1972, his sarcophagus was opened & his body was found to be incorrupt.
The Great War sought to & succeeded in overthrowing the Catholic monarchy together with the Christian social order.
We pray for the restoration of both!
What was the music at 19:38?
I hope to some day see the Habsburgs restored. People need to understand how important monarchy is.
What was the name of Karls written manifesto? In which newspaper was it published? What was written inside it? Minute 13 to Minute 15
Blessed Karl was based
How big were the small farmers ? Were they generally shorter than other farmers ? Was this a genetic deformity ? I'm curious hmmmm
their true name was independent farmers with few land.
Can you guys make a special about swedish citisens in the german army or a video about freikorps
Emperor Karl looking like a young Liam Neeson in the thumbnail
Back in the Quarantine studio?!
We can imagine Karl dressed as a riff-raff in the train biting at his fist: "Give me back my precious throne, thieves, bagginses- horty's.. we hates it forever!" 😆