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Hey everyone! I'm VERY sorry about the audio issues. I had forgot the camera audio settings were set on automatic gain control, where usually I have it set on manual. That's what after every cut it got louder. BELIEVE ME that is fixed for the next video. I'll also try to get all the links to the models I showed off in the description as well - I forgot to do that last night. It was very late and that was something I forgot to do. Sorry about that.
Hey, do you know of a large format 3D printer with two nozzels, a heated bed, and self leveling?
3D Printing Nerd can you rewiew the flux delta+
@Kosmi_K - The gMax 1.5XT+ has a dual nozzle option, with a heated bed and auto leveling via BLTouch.
@herry campbell - sure, if they send me one :)
Have you tried the gMax 1.5XT+ with a dual nozzle? I haven't seen any videos or reviews of the two nozzle option hence my hesitation on that. I already have a Form2 which makes amazing prints but I'd really like to be able to make big things with dissolvable supports.
Great user's perspective review and guidance at the end. Dual independent extrusion is here and BCN3D has thrown down the gauntlet for 3D printers in its price range. Can't wait to see the potential that will be realized with this capability.
Thank you! That's what I really tried to do - give a perspective of what it would be like for anyone to have one in their home. Glad you liked it!
Multi material maker coin!!! Pretty much a reason to get the machine right there. Also the dual extenders kinda look like eyes #cutesigma
Yes they do! I seriously though about putting some googly-eyes on the fans!
Solid review Joel, reflects my experience with the machine pretty closely
Hey Devin! That's good to hear. I absolutely LOVE this machine, and once the software is more robust and solid, it's going to kill.
Thanks for the Review, We count on your honest Opinion. Thanks for Being true to all of us in the Community. I look forward to Future Reviews.
Somethings wrong with the sound, I think. It loud after each cut and then gets quiter.
Expierenced the same issue
We also suspect it is a movie editing program causing it.
Yeah, something ugly with the audio, indeed. I have to keep raising and lowering the volume
VERY sorry about that, sorry I didn't realize it in time. The camera was set to automatic gain control for the audio from an earlier shoot. I forgot to set it back to manual before recording the sit down portion of this video. The setting is changed for the next stuff and it won't be a problem again - it was just so late I forgot to do my standard checklist before recording.
I don't mind it so much. Just wanted to let you know :)
Nice review! A mention would have been nice from you for the Two color roctopus. Nicely printed tough!
I put the link to the rocktopus in the description - sorry about that. forgot to add links while I was doing this late last night.
Hey Joel, don't be sorry, making these videos are hard work! You did a great job! Thanks for adding me and the others. Get some rest 😃and High five! 🤚
awww, thank you! #returnfive
Always enjoy your videos, Joel. Keep 'em coming.
I will, thanks for watching!
it's exactly the initial thought i had, a novice would find this quite overwhelming in my opinion. it's funny how a cheap 3d printer kit from china might not be the best choice for a first 3d printer and yet a high end 3 dprinter would also possibly be a no-go
It's weird to think that, isn't it? Just because you go for a more expensive machine, it doesn't really mean that it's going to be better for you. Oh, Joe, I added a link to your Sigma live unboxing video in the description - hope you don't mind.
far from it, appreciate the link insertion so thank you :) #highfive
Isn't the purge sequence adjustable in simplify3D?
Yes, totally!
The rattle noise is because you haven't tighten the bucket thumb screw hard enough (maybe it clashes a little before arriving at it's end) It disappears if it is well tightened
They are tightened down all the way, promise. The rattle is from the construction of the buckets, leaving a metal tab loose when sticking through the hole it's suppose to go through. I'm going to try and show what I mean in a later video.
I can't wait to see where BCN3D goes with this machine. Exciting! Thanks for the video Joel.
Thank you for watching, RJ! Also, yeah, it's just going to keep getting better.
The Mario box in the background looks great painted. Can't wait to see the big one finished!
Thanks! I sure can't either! I'm doing a video on the small one soon, in prep for finishing the big one.
Great review! I wish I had known more about BCN3D before getting a Taz 5 with Dual V2 head last year. That dual printhead is just a pile of problems, and the independent heads on the Sigma look effortless!
You can probably reduce the PVA purge amount by tuning the extruder's steps-per-mm setting, or lowering the Flow % for that nozzle. Maybe lower the temp on the PVA to ensure it doesn't ooze too much. And you can probably use sparser supports most of the time. Cheers!
In the Simplify3D profiles, I think it would just be a gcode change.
Do the purge buckets need to be metal? Can you print larger replacement purge buckets?
Is nema 14 on independent extruder under powered? Did you experience skipping?
I experienced ZERO skipping, and I didn't feel either extruder was underpowered. But, that's just my experience.
Very honest review! I hope they manage to overcome the firmware and software issues!
Thank you! I know they will.
Do the purge buckets need to move with the Y axis? I think it would be better to have large static buckets between the frame and the bed running the length of the frame along the Y axis and only need to move the flexible wiper with a small supporting beam underneath. That way you could have openings along the side of the frame for easy emptying and total weight being driven by the Y axis motor would be less (possibly reduce ringing if any, or lead to faster attainable print speeds). Just my two cents but this machine still looks awesome. Big step up from my CocoonCreate/WDi3v2
They DO move with the Y axis, but, your idea is very interesting...
Nice review! What were your settings for the flexible benchy?
Could you use something like the fuzzy side of some self stick velcro to tighten up the buckets so they don't rattle?. Stick it to one side of what must be a gap between the mount and the bucket to take up that space and add just a bit of friction to keep it from moving.
I thought about that, but will most likely go with some hot glue. I think it would work well AND have a slight bit of shock absorbance. Will test that out!
thanks for the review Joel!
I'm personally using 3DLac as wel, and boy does that stuff work wel! but to be honest i mainly print PLA.
and in my experience the 3DLac works best if you heat up your printbed slightly when printing with pla. due to the heat it gets a bit more sticky. often for me 45 degrees celcius is enough to let the pla prints with 3DLac stick like a boss!
I am suprised with this review. With the latest firmware (they no longer maintain this printer) I cannot calibrate buildplate. I can start calibration after calibration over and over. Even when I leave the bed heated for 30min and then start calibrations. The right hotend seems to have leveling issues comparing to the left side one.
Hi! You didn't mention the progress they made regarding the noise volume. It's quite an achievement considering the jet fighter the original Sigma was! 😉👍 High five.
+rosebuddesign635 I thought I did? No? Crap. I know I did in the unboxing.
Thanks for the answer. Ok then, sorry I missed the unboxing.
isn't the amount of purge material related to settings in S3D? Maybe you need a better retraction setting before it changes tool, and let it prime less material before activating the tool again? Just guessing here, I don't have dual extruders myself, but since you set everything up yourself in S3D I thought it might be related to bad settings instead of a printer problem
YES! It's all controlled via software! BUT, the ProGen website is the one generating the profiles, and if I were to tell my mom to print a thing, she could pick the profile on the ProGen site, but I don't think I could guide her through editing gcode for layer changes. I get the feeling BCN will update the ProGen site and we'll be seeing LESS purged material soon.
What would you say as far as Ultimaker 3 vs BCN3D Sigma R17 on print quality?
With my current experience, they're both so, so, SO close it's hard to call a "winner".
Do you think the print quality on the Sigma is equal or better than the Ultimaker 3 for both single and dual extrusion prints? Also do you the stringing, and other problems during dual extrusion prints affects the Ultimaker 3 as much as the Sigma? Thanks AA12
Joel, I am new to 3D printing and what people print with their printers. Why do they call that boat a Benchy? Just curious and I seriously don't know why they call it Benchy.
Hey John! Welcome to 3d printing! The little boat is called "3DBenchy" because it's meant as a benchmark test for a 3d printer! It was created by a gentleman named Daniel Noree, and I just had the chance to speak with him. He's a good dude. ruclips.net/video/40sJ6iDlzLE/видео.html
Cool. Good to know. 👍🏼
Because it is a 3D benchmark tool that tells you TONS of information about what is and isn't working on your printer. It'll help you tune your printer out for optimal performance and get your prints looking as good as they can be.
And since the Benchy is so popular, you can show it to about any knowledgeable 3D print person and they will be able to explain to you what went right or wrong with the print and generally how to remedy it.
I'm sure someone has already pointed this out, but the audio isn't balanced. sometimes it's really loud and sometimes you can't even hear it
You're right. I forgot to set the camera back to manual audio from automatic gain control. ugh. It's fixed in next video.
Are there 4D printers for making wicked cool artful optical illusions?
Хочу себе IDEX принтер, но очень дорого, буду строить сам). Спасибо за обзорчик!
Hello Joel, it has been a couple of years since you posted this review. Do you or anyone have an update regarding the changes that may have been made to the Firm and software for the BCN3D Sigma? or any changes to the machine itself?
Hi, You made mention that the Glass Bed has a gap between the heater pad and the glass....making it slow to heat up. Is this done on purpose for some reason?
I have made one to the design from BCN3D, the CAD file shows the glass sitting on the heater pad! but using the BCN3D Glass plate it sits just over 1mm above the heatbed!
Thanks for the review. If you fix all the rattling/loose parts of the printer, is it acutally quiet enough to be run in an office? I'm still looking for a very quiet printer and so far the only ones i found to be very quiet have too many other setbacks i cant accept. How is the noise compared to an UM3 when printing? And one other thing that bothers me a bit is that they use 2.85mm filament. I've only used 1.75mm filaments for years (after the Makerbot Cupcake CNC that used 3mm was kicked out) and i would love to keep using all the 1.75mm filaments i have. Are there kits or conversions to change this printer to 1.75mm filament?
Can you do the same sorts of things with the dual extruder of the Qidi X-Pro?
great vid joel. looks like you had a lot of fun with it so far. nice to see the tron bike turned out cool. can you bung some photos up on twitter for us. :)
Yes, more detail photos on twitter soon - right now I have to go to work though.
:)
Hi Joel do you have any experience upgrading to dual extrusion as I have a graber i3 that I would like to upgrade but am a bit hesitant as not many people have done videos on doing that, any advice??
Hi joel, i am getting a cr-10 soon and I was wondering if you had any suggestions of what brand of filament i should get and what filament types i should get
does bcn's Marlin actually run the touch interface too? or is that done by a separate board/controller?
how does it compare to the UM3 in terms of handling dual extrusion?
They're both so, so close in quality. SO CLOSE.
Hello 3D Printer Nerd,
I would like to buy a priner but I'm still hesitating between the raised 3D N1 dual and the sigma R17. I like the sigma for this double independent extruders and the raised for its enclosed area... Can you say me which one is the best to print ABS with soluble Support pls ? :) And thx for your awesome videos !!!!
Can you check Moai Sla printer? İt is on kickstarter.
I would definitely add some hoses and connect the purge buckets to a shop vac.
I actually have a decent idea for a new bucket design. Hope to find some time to implement...
The machine now ships with Jumbo bucket STL's.
Hello~ what software did you use for those high quality parts? Simplify3D or Cura?
so I have the money would you recommend this or the ultimaker3
+kd827827 what are you looking to print, what materials, how much space do you have?
3D Printing Nerd I am looking to print things for hobby/fun but I also want to print and sell stuff. I have enough space for both printers concerting that they work with sd card/wireless and dont have to be by my pc
oh and I mainly want to print pla,abs, and pva and possibly some flexible filliments
I've had a printer and want a upgrade so I'm slightly experienced
+3D Printing Nerd hello
Do you think that the quantity of purge material is so high because they did that on purpose? to sell more filament? like printer ink dump?
I don't think so. In this case, I think it had to do with calibration and settings in the slicer profile.
our company just bought this printer to get a feel about 3d printing and getting into additive manufacturing (we do CNC ), i just unboxed it today,and will be testing it out tomorrow, exited to see how it will turn out, but your video was quite helpful!
Ha-ha, here is a new tool for 3D printing: BCN3D Sigma vacuum cleaner.
Bahahahhaha
Regarding the software issues, is this machine supposed to be market ready, or did they say that the software is still Beta? Just curious, because from all you said about the software it sounds beta and they are still taking feedback to get the bugs worked out.
The machine is sold as a market ready device, but, there are bugs. I think they will issue firmware updates to take care of what I've found.
*Future Print Idea*
3D Print larger buckets and use rubber filament to print the flexible parts
I don't think that'll work since the buckets will hit the bottom of 3D printer before the bed, on long prints.
Sevendogtags yea.... but maybe longer but not deeper
They now ship the printer with STL's of Jumbo Buckets. Work great.
Joel soon to 100k subs... Lets Go! = D
GOOOOO!!!!!
Who do you make the duel color octopus? Can you please make a short tutorial?
I put the link to it in the description - maybe contact the author that way?
Ohh thanks. I don't check description after the video. I want to contact Dp90pusika
can you rewew the flux delta+ plzz
If they send me one, yes!
Love the small dual-colour maker coins - they look like custom poker chips. :)
THAT is a great idea!
Joel the cuts with the super loud volume is terrible. great video but man, those transitions are tough if you're wearing headphones.
Yes they are and I'm terribly sorry. I forgot to switch the camera back to manual audio control from automatic gain control. It does this, and I didn't realize it while editing because it was late. The setting is changed for the next video. Again, super sorry about that.
I had this printer for 2 years now, it's high quality, but I had no success with it at all. when i ordered this machine from bcn was great than they released in update which burn something and stop working I spoke to bcn and I shipped it back but instead of fix it they send me used refreshed one and sense that time replacement machine will not printer properly I try to replace the parts but with no success. bad experience I won't invest on bcn 3d anymore and the upgrade parts so expensive.
How is the print quality and the auto bed leveling? Also did you experience any missed steps on the motors like Tom did?
Tom said it best in a tweet, "It's the closest you're going to get to an Ultimaker without actually getting an Ultimaker". Print quality was top notch, for every print. I experienced ZERO missed steps, though unlike Tom, I did not start with the bad gcode, I was given the updated files for the sdcard before I opened the box. I hope that makes sense.
That's what I was thinking as well, I have been waiting for your review to decide if this or the UM3 is the one to get. You guys have not made the decision easy, this machine looks like it could be a dethroner for the UM at some point, just not sure if it is yet.
Crisp high five to you for your thoughts on which one to do? I.e. Is the UM3 worth the extra grand right now?
TJ, thanks for the crisp high five! As for this versus an Ultimaker 3, that's a very hard decision. Both machines perform incredibly well, though, if the decision is based purely on price, the Sigma takes it. But, as you and I both know, it's not just price alone :)
3D Printing Nerd not too worried about price, but if the Sigma is on par with the UM3 saving money is nice. The main thing I want is good quality prints across single and dual heads. And you happen to have both for comparison, you are my knowledge source.
I've been using hairspray on my glass bed for another printer. You want the cheap Aquanet stuff. It is like $2.50 at Walmart. Get the purple can of it. Super cheap. :-)
Purple can is best?
www.walmart.com/ip/Aqua-Net-Extra-Super-Hold-3-Unscented-Hair-Spray-11-Oz/10997068 That is the one I got. Whatever is in it, makes it cheap, and effective. :-)
Good review. But the audio is wonky. You must be using Aftereffects to edit....😜
Ha! While somewhat true, the audio problems stemmed from the camera audio being set to automatic gain control, rather than manual. It was late and I didn't run through my usual checklist before shooting. Its fixed for next time.
3D Printing Nerd You do know I'm teasing you. No offense was meant.
Woot! new video! High Five!
what's a good printer for a First time User today at a good price. Keep up the good work
Thank you, Dan! I really depends on your budget, your experience level, and your technical ability.
Its a realy nice printer but it have some issues
did anybody tought the printer looks like a smily face
the printer looks so friendly
if you read dis joel can you make some eyes for the printer one for each printhead
Hey, Joel. Of course, as usual, I'm a bit late to the game. If you do go back to see if anyone has added comments perhaps you can answer my question: What about the Prusa multi-color extruder kit? Do you have any idea when it will finally be released and do you plan to do a review? (I know that's like asking if little bears go doodoo in the woods, right?) My MK2S is due to ship in a week or so. I realize the question is a little off topic but there are some (lots?) of us who don't have 3 grand lying around for a multi extruder printer like this when an extra $250 or so could accomplish the same thing. Thanks and, as always, high five!
Hey Ted! Sorry mate, I don't have a window into that multi material upgrade to the Prusa machines. I know Prusa himself doesn't want it out unless it's perfect. I just don't know how long that'll take.
Also, little bears DO doodoo in the woods :)
3D Printing Nerd Thanks, Joel. I'm sure that Josef Prusa is loathe to start production on anything that's not up to his standards. I just thought you may have gleaned a little inside poop while at MRRF. I'm glad I didn't add the multi kit at the time I ordered the i3 MK2S. Lead times are depressing as it is but I'm confident it will be worth the wait. Thanks again. 😊
would you recomend the flux delta+
Unknown, never used one!
To have fewer purges, don't print the bike vertically like a skyscraper that needs a zillion layers!
But, that gives it the best detail! Purges are controlled in the Simplify3D gcode, so I just need to adjust that.
Does anyone know the name of that wavy looking dresser? That or a link to it would be nice.
Here you go www.thingiverse.com/thing:1293330
Thanks
I added the links to the description finally, but, big thanks to shocktop for the assist!
Any day!
form 2?when?
and sprintray moonray s?is it coming?
I do have a Form 2, and I plan on doing some sort of review on it. The Moonray would be cool to try out, but I have no contact with the company.
fast reply
didn't you had form 2 for couple of months
and matterhackers have sprintray, that's why asked you
you have good contacts with them,don't you?
That's true, I could make contact through them. Unfortunately, I'm behind. I'll probably have the Form 2 for as long as they will let me keep it.
I still hate the fact that 3D Printer reviewers use Simplify3D to judge the printer. Simplify3D may be better, but it is not free. Its an additional cost. Its an Upgrade, not included by the manufacturer.
It may be justifiable for this review as the printer is already expesive enough where $150 may not matter much tho.
+Alvin Gozali True, it's not free, but I get the best results when using it. I did use the Průša Slic3r when I did prints on that machine, and this machine along with the UM3 use Cura. The goal of a reviewer is to use what the printer manufacturer recommends, and use whatever it is I use and / or am used to. Also, Simplify3D IS recommended by the printer manufacturer in this case.
If heat those collection boxes and melt the excess it hold more!!!!
Man that thing is sexy...probably WAY out of my price zone...but gorgeous none the less
Maybe a side accessible removable wipe tray port on REV 2 :)
Flexible filament through a bowden?
I thought that was a guaranteed jam.
I know, right? Nope, it works. In fact, Bill at Punished Props got Ninjaflex going in his Sigma!
he best 3d printer for the money ????
That's really up to you and your money :)
Love the Review and it is exactly how I find this machine BUGGY Firmware, not really a fan of this machine for a lot more reasons hence the machine is now for sale. v01-1.23 was fairly quickly superseded.
I want this machine sooooo badly, just I don't have almost 3,000 dollars so.......
I've got the $2700+ but I've also got a wife of 39 years and would like to make it to 40!
oo, I want that pri.... 3D nerd coin please!
ooh really? hmm... Angus designed that one. I'll have to ask if he will release it.
thank :)
hey joel I just mail my package to you for fan mail friday hope you like it
niceeee
the rattle sounds like a kango hammer
for it's price idk if it's worth it.
This is one of those machine I would use my own money to buy. I would skip morning lattes and save my pennies to get this machine. It's easily within my top 5 of all machines I've ever used. Price is high, but it's within the appropriate range given the machines it's compared with.
But isn't getting a free 3D printer a form a compensation? After all, it is worth thousands of dollars...
That's a very good question, and it's a "yes" and it's a "no". The goal of giving me a printer that I keep is so I can keep using it and, in the end, show it off more. This can work to the advantage of a company where the machine is a good machine, but this has worked to the detriment of a few companies that have given me machines to keep. In the end, though, it's up to me to continue to be unbiased and approach reviews fairly, and then, hope that my viewers also think I'm being fair and unbiased. In the case of the Sigma, I honestly do really like the machine, and I think what I said in the review (using poor audio, sorry about that) is true. What's your thoughts on this?
You make a very valid point. I guess I'm so used to watching RUclipsrs "review" products, insist that they were not compensated in any way, and a few videos later, state that they sold it off at a "heavily discounted price".
Thank you for the response. Great video as aways #high5 :)
You need to work on your audio editing
Audio editing was fine, but, I had accidentally left automatic gain control for audio ON in the camera. Ugh. Sorry about that. I changed the setting and it'll be fixed next video.
4th!
First!