Death of Walter Nowotny - Leader of first jet unit in history | 258 victories - 8th November 1944
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- On 8th November 1944, Major Walter ‘Nowi’ Nowotny, veteran German ace and leader of ‘Kommando Nowotny’, took off alone on a mission to intercept an American bomber formation in the Osnabrück area. During this flight, Nowotny claimed a B-17 shot down and another one damaged, while also claiming a P-51 destroyed. At some point as he returned to base at Achmer, Nowotny’s Me 262 ‘White 8’ suffered an engine failure on the port side; whether this was caused by combat or by mechanical failure is unclear. Soon after, several American P-51 Mustangs dived on Nowotny’s jet as he led them over Vörden airfield. Probably approaching to land, Nowotny was most likely surprised by Edward ‘Buddy’ Haydon’s unseen P-51D, which caused him to pitch up in reaction and induce an accelerated stall, made worse by unequal thrust due to flying on one engine. Haydon reported Nowotny thrashing around in the cockpit as he crashed into the ground a few kilometres east of Hesepe airfield. The 23-year-old Nowotny had 258 victories at the time of his death.
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Sources:
Heaton, C., Lewis, A. (2012). The Me 262 Stormbird: From the Pilots Who Flew, Fought, and Survived It. United States: Zenith Press.
Lewis, A., Schulze, O. K., Heaton, C. D., Olds, U. (2011). The German Aces Speak: World War II Through the Eyes of Four of the Luftwaffe's Most Important Commanders. United States: Voyageur Press.
Heaton, C., Lewis, A. (2021). Above the Reich: Deadly Dogfights, Blistering Bombing Raids, and Other War Stories from the Greatest American Air Heroes of World War II, in Their Own Words. Penguin.
Robert Forsyth Jagdgeschwader 7 ‘Nowotny’.
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I have not included the fight with the B-17 as IL-2 does not model this aircraft at the moment. Also, the claim at the beginning that Nowotny achieved his 200th victory over Bulgaria may be incorrect.
Great video. Love your channel, keep it up. How about some DeHaviland Mosquito content? 🙂
@@tylerleversage1933 As soon as it is released I have some great videos planned...
How so you verify this ?
I have read in Pierre Clostermanns book that he and a group of Tempests jumped 2x Me262 in their landing final during one if their "rat-chase" patrols.
They only found out days later that one of these Me262 were piloted by Nowotny and they saluted in the bar to a great airman where one of the pilots in the bar commented that "the guy who first put national insignias on an aircraft was an ####hole" meaning in terms "war is hell".
Hard to verify this story as well, but that is the claim.
I would like to know where your info comes from.
@@mortenBP all my sources are in the description :)
@@mortenBP it could not happened as it was described in Big Circus. Clostermann was on his "office clerk duty" on 8th november 44, when Nowotny died. He returned to the 122. wing on 12/1944
Walter Nowotny was born in Austria.He had, like some of his comrades, the highest decoration possible, Knight Cross with oak leaves, swords and diamonds.Nowotny received an honor grave on the Central Cemetery of Vienna. In 2003 left groups in the Vienna City Council were succesful in refusing Novotnys grave further the status of Honor. So, a private group of some men an women continued to take care of Novotnys grave. God bless them.
"Left groups"...some trash !
Well he was a committed Nazi, so why praise a hero for the wrong cause?
@@jenniferkelly6931,but really true! 😢
In the funeral coffin was only his left hand, no further parts of his competly smasd body !
Well produced. Doesn't quite match the version I heard Galland describing, who said they heard the characteristic hammering of the 262's cannons and knew Nowotny was fighting for his life. They stepped outside, and soon a 262 emerged from the clouds in a steep dive, seemingly ~ 600mph, and impacted. It was such a heavy hit, that all they found of Nowotny was his left thumb."
The sound of the 30mm cannons may have been Nowotny alerting Dortenmann (whom he radioed at first to not take off before he was spotted) or anyone concerned that he was in trouble. He was not engaged in combat at that time but on the downwind leg to land.
I am often in the Achmer region. Many people dont even know it was a jet airport back in the war. I pass the place where it was quite often. Sometimes thinking about its history. Thanks for keeping the history alive.
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What a fabulous aircraft of it's time the ME 262 , wish had the chance to see her fly for real!
Maybe you can see the ME-262 fly that is in that video of it recently flying...
Kommando Nowotny was not disbanded.
It was turned in a full fledged Jagdgeschwader (JG7), so it was actually upgraded.
Yes, JG-7 was created, when Nowtony crashed, Galland promoted Georg-Peter Eder on the spot to take over command until Theodore Weissenberger came in from JG-5.
(8:23) of course they are,LOL manourve kill (bullshit) they weren't even dog fighting,Nowonty was attempting a landing LOL.
Nowi, one of the best german Hero.
Hi is in Walhalla by his Kameraden
I live near this former air base Achmer / Bramsche. Until a few years ago there was a memorial plaque commemorating one of the most successful fighter pilots of the Second World War. Unfortunately, the current political system here does not consider it necessary to commemorate such a brave and venerable person of the past and after such a long time the memorial has to die now. A shame!
For sure a brave guy - as anyone flying a Me262 was - but venerable? Nowotny was a dyed-in-the-wool Nazi - in stark contrast to comrades like Günther Lützow (110 aerial victories) who was even braver in standing up against the SS when they tried to commandeer his men and in confronting Göring in the Fighter Pilots‘ Revolt. A true hero, he died in combat on April 24, 1945, incidentally also in a Me262.
It’s sad the way they treat our heroes of the past across Europe now days.
Thank you for the statement!
Have the same Birthday like Walter 07.12., and have his Glashütte Pilot watch!
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Grüsse zurück aus Norddeutschland!
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Me 262 was the best, p51, spitfire just jokes
4 years of aerial combat, died age 23. Definitely had a gift for Dog fighting, but the odds were not favorable in 44. Not many Allied pilots achieved even a 1/4 of those victories.
You had to have a lot of guts to take off all alone in late 1944 to engage a swarm of B.17s escorted by countless Mustangs....practically suicidal. Yet, he shot down a bomber and a Mustang and might have made it back to base if it hadn't been for the mechanical failure.
Top marks for the Paint scheme on Nowotny's 262 it was never the more famous splinter scheme with yellow highlights that everyone seems to think.
Nowi's White 8 actually carried the Green Heart emblem of his former unit JG-54 under the canopy on both sides.
Rip Nowotny..
This re-enforces the belief for me that even the best pilots could/can blunder when they have spent most of their flying career in other types of aircraft . A mechanical problem & aggressive enemy fighters and not being in a FW-190 even overwhelmed Ace virtuoso Nowotny .
Very good observation. I agree, I think there was a combination of mechanical failure and lack of experience of the pilot who was flying a new type of plane with which he was not familiarized.
Due to the worsening military situation of Germany, the jet engines of the ME 262 were built with poor quality materiales and the lack of others; it was a no-winner thing...
Well, thank you for nice video story. Here now for the first time I got the full story of the way he died; most commonly was described as he died from the engine failure and was burnt alive in a cockpit (what from story here was not correctly written historic information). Thank you!
Interesting theory, but maybe only Nowotny new what happened for sure. There is a memorial with a little garden with flowers where he crashed. I think the local villagers tend it.
They Even had Dirty AF Vulchers in the Real War..
Poor Nowotny Bullied to death in a heavily damaged plane
(hope that us pilot felt ashamed afterwards and was given a talking to)
Excellent presentation! I see you mainly work on ETO but I was wondering if you’re familiar with the Atukan Island Zero. My grandfather was there when it was shot down and I have a piece of it. Cheers from USA
Hopefully one day IL:2 goes to the Pacific and we can see Soto retell some of the stories from that side of the world
I would love to but IL-2 doesn't have any Pacific theatre yet :(. If that happens 100% will be doing Pacific battles.
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My friend Major Urbab Ben Drew shot down two 262's in a single engagement over this Airfield.
Just read his story, very interesting!
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German Hollywood Designed them..
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Good times? You really think so do you? How many people died because of those good times that you speak of?
You left several key elements of the story out. Franz Schall shot down several P-51s before being shot down himself. You made it seem like he was just shot down. Second Nowotny shot down a B-17 and a P-51 before his demise. The P-51 victim was Warren B Corwin who was killed. Then you make it seem as if only one P-51 recorded his demise when in fact 4 or 5 P-51s recorded this moment. He was chased by several Mustangs and he didn’t just stall out and get killed. He was shot down and was witnessed as stalling out. Please do extra research when making such videos.
Thanks for the feedback. The consensus is that he stalled and crashed, which is consistent with eyewitness accounts. I did not include the fight with Schall as it is not essential to Nowotny's crash. However, Im interested to know where you have the info on Corwin.
He wasn’t shot down though. Edward “Buddy” Hayden himself said this, the only person that fired a shot at him was Ernst Fiebelkorn but he was too far away for his rounds to have any effect.
@@thewatchman9540 This is correct. I interviewed Eder, Galand and Haydon (see my book The Me-262 Stormibird all are in there), and this data is also in my books Above the Reich (Haydon interview), and The German Aces Speak (vol 1) with Galland's interview.
To add to the muddle, former RAF Fighter Pilot Pierre Clostermann states in his book The Great Circus that Walther Nowotny was shot down by a Tempest.
@@duartesimoes508 Unfortunately, Pierre Clostermann's 'The Big Show' is not a credible historical source and is known for being semi-fictitious. His claim was made before all details around Nowotny's death were known.
Thank you for new series.
My opinion was necessary move me 262 against allied bombing change guns to 20 mm and install air to air missiles the Hitler decision to transform me 262 in bomber no crazy but out reallity at the end there were no pilots no fuel and despite me262 moved from highways the war was winned by allied one cause abnormous Air superiority
@Soto Cinematics, Walter Novotny didn't achieve his aerial victories in the sky over Bulgaria. In fact he has never participated in combat action in the sky over Bulgaria.
I was also surprised with that statement as is known Nowotny was never there.
It has always been a mystery to me why they put Walter Nowotny in charge of the Me 262 commando instead of a much more qualified pilot and leader such as Wolfgang Spate.
If Hitler had waited 5 years before invading Poland, allowing for the full development af the technology the reich had been working on....including nuclear bombs.....
And Japan wanted to wait until 1949 for WWII after the Americans had left the Philippines... Hitler sucked them in early...
@@BuzzLOLOL They should have waited, Germany, Italy and Japan.... Just 10 years.... the world would have been a much better place now....
German generals were against a war at 1939.
Let's not forget the enslaved workers from many countries who risk their lives to sabotage the planes they were forced to build. Probably the major reason for poor build quality. They found a piece of sharp metal next to the fragile/explosive fuel tank of an ME 163 with a note next to it it said "I'm not happy in my work."
great ace Walter Nowotny
"The unit suffers from many losses because of ... poor quality components" From what I've read and seen, Germany's kit in the last year of the war increasingly resembled the quality of the cheapest amazon crap you get today: like, you could spend $20 on an umbrella, but that $5 one is fine, despite its 2 star review and shady seller.
Their factories were bombed night and day - literally - for more than 3 years (nonstop !) by swarms of British and American formations ! It's an absolute miracle that the Reich not only continued having an enormous war material output but actually increased its production ! To ask for quality under such conditions is a blunder.
0:45 a perfect view to Achmer Airfield. the Village of Achmer looks not much different like today
I absolutly DO NOT believe the number of victories!!!....I say its claimed victories...claimed !! Only.
You're correct. Air war historians have found that a great many of his claims do not match up with recorded Soviet losses. The same thing applies to Erich Hartmann. On the other hand, some of the top scorers were fairly accurate claimers.
Stay in service . Your ball. Operation: “Three in Tail”
Awarded a manoeuvre victory?? You can't be serious.
Major Walter Nowotny, ein großer deutscher Held und Flieger, Er hat mehr als seine Pflicht getan. Er möge in Frieden Ruhen. Hoch geehrt von Freund und Feind.
Er war ein Deutscher aus welchem Lande?
@@robertomeneghetti6215 Er war Österreicher.
@@Nana-rk2xn Mit so einem Slavischen Namen!?
@@robertomeneghetti6215 In Österreich gibt es viele schon lange ansässige Bürger mit slawischen Namen. Das alte Kaiserreich war bekanntlich vielsprachig und zerfiel nach 1918 in Nationalstaaten mit eigenen Muttersprachen.
@@robertomeneghetti6215Hitler war deutscher? Aus welchem Land? 😅
Allowed had to do was allow the FW 190s yo give cover
A very interesting video, I like the style.
So many nazis and wehraboos in this comments section jfc
Long live the ace…
He is currently cooking up nicely with all his nazi mates.
Very well-presented. Personally, I could have done without the background music: the narrative was more than enough to keep my attention
Why did'nt he not bail out before?
Not the first jet unit in History, that title belongs to RAF 616 squadron flying Meteors, the Meteors had already downed two V1 flying bombs on the 4th August 1944
Thank you for this video ! ...on 8. November 1944 Major Nowotny was approaching Hesepe airfield cause his Me 262 had less fuel - Willi Heilmann is flown a Focke Wulf 190 Dora-9 and flew in this area as ' Platzschutz-Staffel' - He has seen 10-12 enemy fighter behind Nowi - probably Walter Nowotny had no more fuel to fly another landing and crashed near Hesepe airfield and died...
Willi Heilmann wrote an excellent account of his war experiences, "I Fought You From the Skies". Been over 40 years since I read it but remembered the account of Major Nowotny's death. After reading Willi's book I became a fan of the FW 190D. I was lucky enough to fly a P-51 once, doubt I ever get the chance to fly a Me 262 or a long nose Dora.
@@ericvonzipper4374 ...I do agree... Willi Heilmann wrote an excellent book about his time in JG 54 ' Greenheart ' ...you can be lucky as a Mustang pilot but a Me 262 is a very good and fast Fighter too...
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Pierre Clostermann also regarded Dora-9 high, although one should know, that his ,Great Circus’ is rather a fiction book. Still great reading.
The death of an air ace, not so easy to digest!
Wish if Germans could have won WWII, because they really deserved to win but unfortunately they had been fighting the whole world 😢
Non compos mentis
I have seen in the past a few seemingly different notes on all of this matter. But it seems to be pretty logical, as it could well have happened this way. If he had spotted the other Mustangs earlier, he could have bailed out. But, then again, he would have probably been shot in his parachute, as this was an often observed fate for German pilots late in the war.
According to Galland and Haydon, he was below 400 feet, and at his speed bailing our would not have been an option.
A shameful war crime...!
Guy should've bailed after flame out, Im sure Goering was demanding these guys nurse the golden sharks back to base at all costs...
Hans Dortenmann becomes eventually top-scoring Dora-9 ace with 18 kills on this type, incl. 6 P-51 and 5 Tempests.
This is questionable, The first operational squadron of jets may have been the RAF Gloster Meteors in July 1944. The ME 262 may not have been operational until late July. Previously under Werner Thierfelder who died in July.
The Meteor was slower and more lightly armed , but with more reliable and longer life engines than the ME 262. Pity that the UK Air Ministry didn't pull their fingers out and have an operational Whittle powered jet by 1943. The ME 262 was a far more Innovative design, but held back by the Nazi regime's shortage of strategic and high quality metals
He was polish origin commander me 262 squads victim, allied tactics to intercept me 262 on airports were the velocity reduced
He took off alone, Galland was there and ran after calling him back but it was useless.
Many of Germany's top Aces died due to equipment failure.rather than just getting shot down. HJ Marseilles comes to mind as well as many others.
Nope. Heinrich Bartels, Hans philipp, Otto Kittel, Wilhelm Ferdinand Galland, Max stotz, Emil Lang, Wolf dietrich Wilcke, Horst Gunther Von Fassong, Wilhelm Lemke, Walter Oesau, etc... all been shot down by allied fighter.
Anybody can refute pretty much anything. My point was that the Germans had a harder time keeping their equipment properly maintained due to logistical shortcomings and supply shortages. In the case of Now Tony the engines were state of the art and as such they still had teething problems. After '43 there were fuel shortages and pilot shortages making the battle in the sky less than an even playing field.
Then tell me other aces who killed by mechanical problems sir?
@@kaa8643 Werner Molders
He killed in He-111 crash accident. Not a mechanical problem sir?
Great video!how die egon mayer and klaus mietush pleaze tell
War is such waste.
I was under the impression that the engines are the same only the internals are made from the correct materials like inconel and Titanium.
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Excellent video and information!
Why it is shown that Nowotny hits a Soviet plane in the sky of Bulgaria on 14.10.1943? The Soviets are far on East to that moment. The only Allied planes flying over Bulgaria in 1943 and 1944 belong to USAF and RAF.
Yes, I've noted that this was incorrect in my pinned comment.
He wasn't wearing his lucky underwear that day.
Well, everybody dies when his time is up, only we never know how or when it is going to be.
Thanks!
nonsense
Reminds me a little of Tommy McGuire's death, he was pulling a tight, too tight turn in an unfamiliar aircraft trying to get the enemy in his sights when he stalled, rolled over, and crashed into the Jungle.
actually, familiar aircraft but with it’s ordnance not jettisoned.
There is a book ,The race of aces’, one of best I have read.
@@wolffweber7019 Familiar type (p38) but not familiar aircraft, he had borrowed some general's P38 for this mission. McGuire always took pains to have his tweaked out at maximum performance, sort of like McCudden did with his SE5a in World War One. McGuire was in someone else's P38 that day that wasn't tweaked out like his was. Sure, he could reach all the controls in the cockpit without thinking about it, but the aircraft probably wasn't going to respond the way he subconsciously expected.
@@wolffweber7019 and yes, he did tell everyone not to jettison their fuel tanks, and that indeed contributed to his stall.
@@michaeldailey3219
He was excellent pilot and skilled engineer but it was his last chance to outscore Bong, because he was scheduled to return to the USA. So he crossed the thin red line. End of story.
Same to Neel Kearby, btw my favorite ace.
@@wolffweber7019 Yep, he had something akin to what german pilots referred to as 'neck rash' , probably a necessary ingredient in the psyche of the highest scoring fighter pilots, but one that also often is the undoing of them.
Clostermann describes it differently!
Maneuver victory? What the heck is that?
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Así no es la historia de Walter nowotny
not unlike Haffner and Emil Lang
Another beautiful video as always!
Shock maneuver I guess
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I would say the painting is by Keith Ferris?
Yes, mine is personally signed with an inscription by Edward "Buddy" Haydon, hanging on my wall.
I heard that Nowi forgot his lucky trousers--from a meme of course, very official sources
Nowotny's brother Rudolf was one of my interviews several years ago, and he concurred with Hannes Trautloft that "Nowi" was superstitious regarding his trousers. American ace Robin Olds flew in the same pair of socks in WW II and Vietnam, good story there about how Chappie James threw them away.
@@colinheaton2679 Thanks for the information! I have finished your Me-262 interview book and have started reading the German Aces Speak II. What did you think of the personalities of the different pilots such as Galland vs Steinhoff? They definitely strike different tones
Gravity, you win again
the first allied bomber pilots that realized there's something twice as fast as they are . . . must have been shocked
aber zum Glück hatte wir die 262 nicht schon ein Jahr früher ! Wer weiß, vielleicht hätten wir den Krieg gewonnen und was wäre dann heute ?
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Great video!
I must say I enjoy these videos. The Luftwaffe pilots literally fought to the last man all on a lost and evil cause .
From YOUR viewpoint... from his, he gave his life for his motherland fighting a coalition of evil enemies.
@@jenniferkelly6931 Nazis murdered millions of jews, most of them innocent. If that is not evil from your viewpoint then I can not help you.
Y como fallecio ? Q paso ? no veo disparos
Hola gabriel, el piloto Estado unidense cuando se cruza con el 262 a baja velocidad, dijo que Nowotny se impreciono al ver al p51 ya que creia que lo habia perdido, al asustarse se cree que Nowotny quizo girar para salir de la mira de tiro del p51 y que al tener un motor sin fuerza el avion se desestabilizo giro y callo abruptamente matando a Nowy .
Fabulous.
Вполне закономерно...
Your an Aussie and have done no Australian ace re-enactments..??? Pls do some pls🙏🏽
He was defending Hitler . Thats why so many young men had to die. Its sad when evil men cause so much death.
A single fighter against a formation of hundreds of bombers and escort fighters. Still gets to shutdown a bomber. This aces flew knowing they had the best plane in the world.
Had he been flying a D9 he probably would still be alive.
Manuver kill
So it is done to get medals? Not my flying honour at all ? Enemy pilot error casulty should give an acknowledgement only ??Don't you think.OR if I blow up a fright train carrying 100 aircraft do I get the 100 smashed aircraft score as kills?? HMMM ? NOT in my Honour.
if only Germans had something good to fight for...
LOL!
Only wish we'd won.
German's could have done better with their 262s, but they tried to use prop plane tactics, instead of making maximum use of jets speed advantage. They tried to manuver, and the P-51 were quick enough to cut the turning circle.
The Jet Engines were very tricky in those days, as they had been stalled in the development for years... So it was fairly hard to fly these planes at all.
No they didn’t, they were developing tactics, the problem the had were that the allies were in the sky with overwhelming force. The 262 had a very impressive kill ratio even so.
@@traxel14 Absolutely correct. The engines were more than tricky, they were total garbage. The axial design was pushed in 1940 after the centrifugal designs failed. They thus made the problems even bigger. It was not stuck in devolpment, rather it was never going to work in any meaningful time scale. They were throw away items. The French and the Russians didn't get them to work after the war either. Simply many issues, and not really metals, had to be solved before axial designs could be got to work. Around 10 years. The British were worried that the Germans would copy their working centrifugal designs. Thus no British jet flew over enemy lines.
An P-51 could turn inside a Me 262 but the Me 262 was so fast it could turn the circle in less time and in theory get on to the tail of the P51 that way. Of course for about 1/6 of the first part of the circle the P-51 could get its guns on to the Me 262 but if you are a good pilot you play to the strengths of your aircraft and avoid exposing its weakness.
@@williamzk9083 Hit and Run from the rear then Climb again and Repeat.Just like any faster plane would DO !!
glad to know that the top German ace was a "pure Arian" with family name like Nowotny 😁
Eh 🤷
You knew him Tom?
Probably Czech ancestry - he was from Austria, and Vienna in particular saw much emigration from the Czech lands in the 19th century.
Clostermann was there. In his Tempest Nowotny was killed by his airplane. Dead stick.
No, Clostermann wasn't there. His report of Nowotny's end is bullshit.
@@carlodecanini1455 I mis-typed. Nowotny crash was witnessed by base personnel only due to overcast
One of the great german aces. Many people dont know this but germany had over a hundred pilots with 200 or more kills and over 200 closr to a hundred kills . The highest scoring american had 40. Yeah that's right 40. Most german aces had that after 2 months.
American and British pilots were rotated once they had completed a certain number of missions or reached a certain amount of flight hours.
German pilots fought until they were dead, wounded, captured or there was nothing for them to fly at which point they surrendered
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