Death of Hans-Joachim Marseille - 'The Star of Africa' | 158 victories - 30th September 1942
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- On 30th September 1942, Hauptmann Hans-Joachim Marseille, ‘The Star of Africa’, led a flight of four Bf 109 G-2s of JG 27 on a Stuka escort sortie. On the return journey back to base, Marseille’s Bf 109 G-2/Trop began suffering engine trouble, causing him to lose altitude and eventually bail out. Marseille hit the tail of his fighter and was either knocked unconscious or failed to open his parachute.
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Colin Heaton and Anne-Marie Lewis ,The Star of Africa: The Story of Hans Marseille, the Rogue Luftwaffe Ace Who Dominated the WWII Skies.
Robert Tate, Hans-Joachim Marseille: An Illustrated Tribute to the Luftwaffe's "Star of Africa".
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Him in WWII and Werner Voss in the Great War. The Germans had some fantastic pilots.
I agree, and Voss was my favorite WW1 German pilot. I believe he was the very best of all.
what about Red Baron ( and his brother) ww1, Guynemer, Fonch
ww2 Bader, Closterman, and so...
Bro...you NAILED the markings! OUTSTANDING!
Your videos are fantastic, so beautifully done and so accurate regarding technical details and historical events. 10 out of 10!
Reuploaded in 4K.
Historical discrepancies: IL-2 does not model the Bf 109 G-2/Trop filter or the Spitfire Mk
V with air filter. This video was made with my personal desert modification based on this mod forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/79130-desert-war-modpack/
Why not use IL2 desert wing instead ?
@@Errorcutive Doesn't have the G model at all
Marseille suffered the same fate as my uncle Flt Sgt Graham George Buckland earlier in 1942. Buckland’s plane was hit by Marseille and when bailing out hit the tail wing and plummeted to the ground.
My condolences. Like Marselle, I hope your uncle did not suffer.
How do you know he was shoot by Marseille?
@@FerencPusztai-gh6kn Interviews from those in the air and on the ground that day by Colin Heaton the author of the ‘Star of Africa’.
@@patriciaramsey5294 Thank you, it is believed as he bailed out he was stuck by the tail wing and plunged to earth without opening his parachute.
@@richardcarthew4893 Thank-you!
Nice work! Not only did you get the markings accurate, the weathering is superb! Never mind the absence of the tropical filter, the skins look really good 👍
Thanks Linus, check here for the skins I used for this video forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/76480-soto-cinematics-falling-aces-of-wwii-cinematic-documentary-series-nowotny-kittel-pattle-lang/
I commend you on your knowledge. Some of us do not even know what a skin is.
The desert filter is actually under the cowling/engine and the buldge on the side of the engine cowling. I'm not sure I'd call the North African desert tropical as it is super dry. :)
Seems most of the aces in this series were not lost in direct combat with the enemy. Quite anticlimatic considering how celebrated a lot of them were.
Life's ironies. i.e. Schnaufer injuries received car crash1950, Bär air test crash 1957, Peiper murdered 1976 (ex-Waffen SS),
When you're THAT good, it usually takes some crazy fluke to get you.
It is correct that he did expressed his reluctance to fly the then new Me 109G G-2/trop that he considered unreliable correctly as it turned out! An enquiry into the crash was hastily set up. The commission’s report concluded that the crash was caused by damage to the differential gear, which caused an oil leak. Then a number of teeth broke off the spur wheel and ignited the oil. Sabotage or human error was ruled out. For me it has been badly translated because the DB 605A-1 like the previous engines variants has no differential gear like the rear axle of the car but it did mentioned number of teeth broke off the spur wheel and ignited the oil but I'm not an engineer! Fact is that he was a master of deflection shooting and even Hartmann admitted he was much better! The truth is that Joachim Marseille suffered much from nervous breakdowns in his last months so I doubt, if he survived, could really go on. A great pilot indeed...
Really a good job 👍 👍👍
Marseille was caught hit by point of the tailplane, he was gutted from sternum to groin, fellow crash recovers were sickened by the sight of a man who had been gutted. Shades of The Blue Max film. He was ordered to fly a plane he knew was a death sentence. RIP, Hans Joachim Marseille, a better pilot than Hatmann by Eric's own admission and a chance taker because he had the ability to do so.
makes a video talking about the Dornier Do 335, where the French pilot Pierre Clostermann piloted his Hawker Tempests saw her for the first time a Dornier Do 335
H.J.Marseillet nem lelőtték, hanem motorhiba miatt katapultált, és a függőleges vezérsíknak csapódott.
On video your show Bf-109 F...))
Great vid, looks fantastic. One thing I'd question, Luftwaffe typically flew in a schwarm which consisted of two flight leaders and their wingmen. Here you have one pilot without a wingman which could be lethal in air combat. I'm not sure if they flew differently in North Africa.
Excellent. Someday I hope you post a video on Oblt. Egon Mayer.
A good death for a strong and brave man. And he was spared to see what the evil Anglos have done to Europeans in general and the Germans in particular since.
The best Lutfwaffe ever! - Even Hartmann said that.
I think it was Galland that described him as the ‘unrivaled virtuoso amongst fighter pilots’. Not sure about Hartmann commenting on him as they never met. Galland met him in Africa when he visited as General Inspector of day fighters..
Yup. Eric met Marsaille and said he was the most daring , gifted flier he had ever met. WOW, THE ACE OF ACES SAYING THAT , PROPS BUBBI.
You should do one on the death of Willie McKnight. A Canadian ace in a Hurricane with a big skeleton with sickle painted on his fighter.
I wish this video had been a little more detailed.
One of my all-time favorite aces. One can only imagine what he would’ve accomplished had he survived.
He would have killed more people fighting the Nazis. Hardly an accomplishment.
@𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓢𝓽𝓪𝓻 𝓸𝓯 𝓐𝓯𝓻𝓲𝓬𝓪 without a doubt!! Perhaps even 400!! Rest In Peace ☮️
@𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓢𝓽𝓪𝓻 𝓸𝓯 𝓐𝓯𝓻𝓲𝓬𝓪 he likely would have been pulled from combat before he could get anywhere near Hartmanns score. There were other pilots who were of extreme talent too that were pulled from combat after achieving a certain amount of kills. Had marseille survived longer he likely would have been one of them
@@dr.killshot4949 Yes; lots of 'high scorers' were sent to staff positions in Berlin or (if they were wounded or injured in operations) they'd get ground staff positions within their unit. IF Marseilles had continued flying, I'm pretty sure he'd have stayed with the west with JG27, the odds would have tilted against him as the 'tech tables turned' (from an Me109F flying against Hurricanes, and P40s to now flying the "G" Models against later model Spitfires, Typhoons, Tempests, P47s, P38s and P51s. I'm sure HJM's overall skill would have given him the 'edge' but the weight of operations would have exhausted him. Not to mention the real killer in the Med was Allies ability to mount repeated raids against anything suspected of being an Axis airfield, dispersal, repair facility, marshalling facility etc day and night.
@@dr.killshot4949 - The first one of such aces being the famous Adolf Galland, who at 29 became the Luftwaffe's youngest general.
You say "the so called star of africa? " How about you tell us who the real star of africa is IF it wasn't this guy?
Superb video!!!
Even Erich Hartmann told that Marseille was the best of the best in dogfight
Luftwaffe, 2 wingman, you're sure about that
Awesome video, gotta put the 4k logo on the thumbnail lol, gets more clicks
Волос не падает с головы без воли Господа....
Who actually believes Marseille shot down 17 aircraft in one day? He also claimed to have shot down 7 enemy planes in one sortie - which I'm calling BS on too.
They were all recorded and if it was bs everyone would have pointed it out and who actually believes you are a human i call it bs
@@prathamatwal936 And I call bullshit on your 'all recorded' - you clearly have no idea whatsoever
That is why the best are never defeated.Nishiwaza is another one where he wasnt shot down but his transport aircraft was brought down.It's tragic two of the very best were lost in accidents with no fault of theirs.
Very interesting, I had always wondered how he died. One can never say really, but when our time is up, we die, in a way or another.
Marseille was invited to the Messerschmit facory by Messerschmit himself, and he leted him test his newly designed Bf-109G. Marseille testes it, doing crazy stunts and maneuvers as Messerschmit watched in horror, scared of losing his new Bf-109G, because those maneuvers were crazy. After Marseille landed, he complained that the plane is too heavy, which doesn't allow him give his full performance and do some maneuvers.
Too young to die :// he was real legend
Great work! Thank you!
He went out undefeated. What a legend and hero.
"Undefeated?" - He was shot down six times.
@@mathewm7136and you could do better 😂 !
@@mathewm7136 So was Chuck Yeager. So was Galland, So was Richard Bong the greatest U.S ace.
Haha chuck Yeager, BONG HAD 40. BIG DEAL. THERE WERE OVER A HUNDRED LUFTWAFFE EXPERREN WITH 100+ KILLS. 5 WITH OVER 200 AND 2 WITH 300 +. HARTMANN & BARHORN. MARSAILLE HAD HE LIVED OUT THE WAR WOULD HAVE PASSED BOTH 300 HOLDERS. HE WAS THE BEST EVER.
@@twolak1972
Look at how angry this dude is.
What was the reason for the engine trouble? Shot or just happened to break down?
It had design issues.
@@jaybee9269 Some say the new engines leaked oil like a waterfall.
@@jaybee9269 For a same reason JG52's pilots also decided to stick to flying the Franz (or Frederich) model 109s for a while.
In before Holwood makes a movie and turns the Star of Africa into a Black man.
That leads to a new definition of face plant. RIP.
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They should've stuck with the African variant
Fritz got too cocky
Hallo.
Who here has seen Animarchy's videos on this madlad?
great video...terribly sad ending...
Even though ME 109 s take out Spitfires, they can't take out P51/D Mustangs...😋
It certainly could and did.
Awesome 👍
Known as "The Star of Africa"...
great work.
Voss of WW2
I knew a guy that had some scraps with tan paint on it
Claimed it was from his last 109
His father was a rat patrol member in the British army and they came across a wrecked 109 with a yellow 14
I seen these scraps in 1981 at a SoF convention in Pomona
The other, even, simpler way is a simple ROPE. Tie the rope to the cabin, say, the seat, slowly exit the cabin, the air flow would push towards the tail, climb down towards the tail, after the tail, jump and ... Marseille and many others would have been, still, alive and very old.
Early playbod
Invert the fighter to bail out??
A BRILLIANT COMBAT PILOT and The MODERN BOLCKE !!!BUT Im English SO If You LIVE BY the SWORD !!!😳😔g
A great air ace! What an ironic way to go...
Excellent work and a beautiful video - thx for that. You may want to make another video of a German ace, my suggestion would be „Joachim Muencheberg“ - here his Wiki record en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_M%C3%BCncheberg - he fought at the English channel, in Afrika, in Russia and back in Afrika. 135 victories - contemporary of HJ Marseille and in fact: the fought at the same time in Afrika and over the channel. He received as one of only two Germans - the other German was HJ Marseille) the Italian „medaglia al valor militare“. As HJ Marseille in his final flight, J Muencheberg was not shot down - but collided with the debris of a already shot down enemy. Enough stuff for a good video, don‘t you think?
MARSEILLE INOLVIDABLE
Tragischer Tod. Ohne feindeinwirkung.
Couldn't have Marseille landed? On the beach or even on water? How come the best pilot in the Luftwaffe stalled? Inverted or not. True, low speed is necessary for the jump, but, a stall? Why did the airplanes not have handles or wire, so the pilot can approach the tail and jump after the tail and not before?
Hi Young Steven, - I would suggest instead of Your "handles or wires" for the pilot to take a ladder !
@@helmutpohl2762 Yes, for an idiot, even, a ladder is complicated. Handles and wires are STANDARD everywhere. Climbing, trucks, even, the Space Shuttle and airplanes. BASIC SAFETY FEATURE! And, also, great for the maintenance crew. Some 109's had a wire between the cabin and the tail. Yet, and idiot would not have figured this out.
An airplane is a basic vehicle. ANY VEHICLE HAS THESE. EVEN THE MOUSE TANK.
He couldn’t bail out earlier cause it was enemy lines and he didn’t want to be captured and he couldn’t see what speed or where he was going cause the cockpit got covered with smoke that was why he accidentally went in a dive when he went to bail out :)
@@jakelanglands5964 Well, in case so, Hans should have landed immediately and walked or surrendered. May have, still, be alive and provide us with invaluable, historical information and thus continue to serve Germany and the humanity. May have, also, become a marshal in the modern, German air force or a civilian pilot. Still, service to Germany and the humanity. Also, after surrender, may have been liberated by the Germans to continue to serve as a pilot on the Western Front.
Such was an horrific end to such a great Ace, he disliked that particular model of the Gustav,, he preferred the E, or Emil even ( it’s been said) going so far as to refuse to fly this model, his superiors gave him an order to do so!! Thanks
You sure it was the E and not the F model?
@@konaber8020 he loved and cut his skills on the E- model, but I don’t discount he may have even preferred the F model as it was a vast improvement!! But he definitely disliked the G!! Thanks
I thought he liked the F model.
The model that preceded the Bf-109G-2 was the Bf-109F-4 and not the Bf-109E ( that dates back from the Battle of Britain ). I have read that he turned down the Bf-109G-5 with the two 13 mm machine-guns and the bulges in front of the canopy that contained the larger bullets and he continued flying with the Bf-109G-2 with the two 7,9 mm machine-guns. He had never disliked his Bf-109G-2 ( with its top speed of 665 km per hour ).
Yo what up Sotonators?
😂 what up bro
Missing sand filter on the induction intake for the supercharger. Is this DCS??
Fighting an enemy is about taming beasts outside. That is the job of an ace.
Piloting an unreliable plane is about taming the beast you are riding. This is a task for test pilots.
If anyone deserved to outlive the war, it was Marseille. He did not hate his enemy, was not a Nazi, and just wanted to have fun. Had he survived, he could have passed on his knowledge to allied fighter pilots, but more likely he would have entertained the world as a movie star.
The guy insulted Hitler infront of Gestapo and SS commanders..to his face!
He was an absolute chad.
Also.. Extremely humane. Rare breed in his field.
Who really knows he may not have wanted to carry on, as he was suffering from combat fatigue an had lost some close friends. Stress effects everyone differently.
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Ngl the death is just like something out of a Loony Toons cartoon lmao
Thanks
Sad to hear a death so unceremonious not fitting of it's ownLegacy.
Grande Uomo
I have heard his claims were wildly inaccurate. Is that true?
Like most German aces his claims were inflated yes
there was a study done post-war by a british colonel and general (i think) that discovered the German reporting criteria for a 'confirm kill' was actually stricter than the allies. over the years the anti-German propaganda has made the claims that the German numbers were inflated
No, and in fact one of the Luftwaffe staff officers doubted his records and came out to fly with him and more than suitably impressed. German records are well known for the amount of information and strict rules. Not mentioned in the above narrative, the aircraft he was flying this day was just uncrated and assembled and on it's initial sortie.
BAHAHAHHAHA
Bravo erano in troppi non si poteva fare di piu
Another great video! Thanks!
Its sad. ... those times, that war! If now, he'd be a most valuable member of the allies (NATO) no doubt. Sad that then the worlds timeframe of events messed up people that could've been good friends today :(((
German officially credits him with 175 kills
Please do a lot on luftwaffe night fighter aces as well… thanks
Excellent work!
Марсель придумал свою тактику - стрелять по фонарю кабины и убивать пилота . Конечно мастер своего дела , но погиб глупо !
Marseille always aimed for the engine.
So well done!
Nice work
Early playboy
I have never actually believed that 17 victories claim…
Records show allied losses in the area on that day as 11 aircraft from all causes.
Some of those lost were Hurricanes, a type he did not claim.
Other losses occurred while his Aircraft was still on the ground.
@@andrewnimmo4232 Yep, I remember reading that years ago, in the 70s I think. Some conspiracy theory idiot countered that the RAF covered up the loss of six additional aircraft that day to discredit him.
He surely deserves a biopic. Would have crossed 300 had he lived through the war. Would have also been high in NATO.
I think the plane shown is F and not G2 ...
I believe the plane that was shown might of been an f model but the g model for the trop looks basically the same just a different engine with sliding ball bearings and it had more armour
@@jakelanglands5964 dear sir please just look at drawings and detailed articles on the subject ! The G had the 2 front bulges for the fore guns. The G was pure shit. the plane shown has no front side bulges but the central cannon.
@@salsalocofrance1 I believe that is the g6 you are thinking about I could be wrong tho but I’m pretty sure the g2 trop is basically the same u might want to check up on that
Perhaps, was it a sabotage because this pilot was not friend with the german power.
A lot of top Luftwaffe pilots were not necessarily Nazi, Hans Ulrich - Rudel being one of the few who was.
@@jonathansteadman7935
Yes, I agree with you, but Marseille was against the power and he paid it.
I have a book that chronicles his life in the Luftwaffe. Fascinating read. There was not an ace-let alone fighter pilot that eclipsed what he accomplished. His prowess was astounding. He had the uncanny ability in deflection shooting where he would fire a burst, and break away and engage another, fire a burst, break, engage-same, over and over. Most of his kills were in the F-his absolute fav. He was one with the 109F. Granted, his kills were P-40s and the like, which racked his kill numbers rapidly and easily. RIP.
To those who doubt his 17 victories in one day, know that he was a fantasticly good shot. His mechanics said that he averaged only 15 rounds per victory. While all pilots overclaimed, even dividing his "kills" by 2 still gives an incredible score. In my research of air combat claims, actual kills- aircraft destroyed- was usually half to one quarter of victories claimed. This is a constant by all pilots of all nations. That's why I prefer to use the term victories instead of kills.
He also aimed for the front of the planes he shot down, not the pilots.
Warthunder ..... beautiful
It's il2 not war thunder
He really was a star!
Anyone else find it strange that he had a French sir name?
Je suis effaré de lire tant de louanges pour des hommes qui se battirent au nom de la barbarie !!! Aucun respect pour ça !!! Par contre gloire à ceux qui se sont battus et ceux qui sont morts pour que celle-ci ne dure pas mille ans
I am terrified to read so many praises for men who fought in the name of barbarism!!! No respect for that!!! On the other hand, glory to those who fought and those who died so that this one does not last a thousand years.
Good point and I agree wholeheartedly that he fought, very well, for a very bad cause. I can admire and hold in esteem, his skill as a warrior.
Bon point et je suis tout à fait d'accord qu'il s'est battu, très bien, pour une très mauvaise cause. Je peux cependant admirer et tenir en estime son talent de guerrier. (Google Translate)
@@theallseeingmaster exactly! Soldiers creed “ To do and die, not ask why!!🫡
No comment….
@@ricardocorbie6803 No disrespect meant to you, sir. But suppose an Auschwitz camp guard had said the same thing, “To do and die, not ask why.” Would you let that guard off, or would you condemn him? No, I’m not equating a death camp guard with a common soldier. What I am I saying is this: A common Nazi soldier should have no glory or honor attached to him. He fought, perhaps unwittingly, for a monstrous regime. There is no glory or honor in that.
@@rogerr2796 I see your point, but I disagree!! Thanks Sir , no disrespect taken✅
I love German Luftwaffe. I wonder how they made so many kills.
It’s complicated, but one primary reason is because Luftwaffe pilots didn’t have a fixed number of missions to fly as their Allied counterparts did. This, along with having more experience, allowed them more time and opportunities to score victories.
It's contentious, because the RAF only lost eleven aircraft the day he claimed 17.
@@capoxspring3323 yes, this is true. I will possibly make a video on this day in full, where I discuss the claims v the actual victories
@@capoxspring3323 Well, you know...."fog of war" and all that. :)
They had so many because the rule for them was " fly until you die" this was due to the fact that thier training program sucked and they were so outnumbered
Wow what a way to go! Impressive fighter record but you can't replace experience and knowledge. Good video
My grandfather was a tank driver in the war. He was told by his superiors that the Sherman was the best in the war. They couldn't penetrate the German tank s what's the German tanks could shoot right through. It's like sending them to a gun battle with knife. Three of the tank he was in got destroyed .
I am not sure how experience is relevant to flying, because, flying is very easy and basic, easier than driving. Morale is, definitely, damaged, though. Some say Marseille prohibited the group to use 109 G, because, of oil leaks. However, Marseille was ordered from the top to reverse the order. Some say Marseille had a major oil leak and di not jump inverted, but, instead, tried to walk on the oily wing. Because of lack of handles and wires, Marseille slipped and hit the tail. I do not know what the truth is. Everyone says differently.
Maybe, an option was to point the nose up, 90 degrees in reference to the ground. Then, wit for the complete stall ( airplane does not move, but, stays motionless in the air ), then, spring quickly away. Possibly, over deep water to be able to survive regardless of the parachute.
Another option was to belly land on water. This is, always, the safest, regardless what people say. Such a pilot would be able to adjust the level without the engine spinning the propeller. When the propeller does not spin, just the availability of a propeller may not be enough to turn the plane upside down in water. A good idea may or may not be to undo all seat belts and harnesses and inflate the jacket before landing. A wing can, also, be used to land the plane on water in a circular way.
Hi Steven, - what a pity the Me 109 G is not a double seater ! So You could have given Marseille Your advice directly ! But - nevertehless - we are proud of You and Your Knowledge .....how old are You ? I think 8 - 10 .......
What a terrible way to die. I hope Marcel was unconscious when he hit the ground. (Shudders)
According to one story the tailplane impact broke a few ribs and stopped the man's heart.
Marseille ;) jochen marseille not marcel
Well done with the video, very professional! Also I love how he landed face-first
Marsaille was the greatest ever. A insanely gifted pilot and the best deflection shooter of the war. He could do things with his 109 that no one else would even dream of. Had he survived the war he would have surpassed Barkhorn and Hartmann easily. His skill level had NO PEERS. His Bf109 unfortunately killed him . He hated the G model favoring the F for it's better agility .Sad that he had to die over a faulty engine and not have gone down in battle like he deserved.
Just found your channel,Marseille was one of my favourite AXIS aces