Thanks Batesy...lots of science involved !! Great vid as always...raining here tonight in Mansfield...again but no complaints !! And bloody cold !! Big difference at the end !!
Craig Willis Gday Craig, Yeah mate, I find these videos interesting to film. Seeing how it all goes together is good to see. Same here mate, lot of rain and snow coming again over the weekend. Merrijig would of had a dusting last week. Very low elevation falls. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Batesy.
@@timbates4wdadventures I posted a photo on Facebook the other day (rarely use FB) of the view from my back door of the snow on the hills...haven't seen it like that for many years !! Take care mate !!
Now that was very well explained and informative. Thanks Tim for the vid. Old mate was able to impart this information very well in an easy to understand way. You can also see this company doesn’t cut corners or use cheap parts to achieve more power and better performance. Some were commenting on the cost of this upgrade but as you have said, you get what you pay for and I’m sure this customer will get many thousands of trouble free km’s out of the Hilux. 🍺
Darren Craike Gday Darren, Thanks mate. Matt does know his stuff and explains things well, but easy to understand. DTA is a great company to have work done on your vehicle. They have dealt with performance cars for over 25 yrs, and they sure don’t cut corners on cheap parts. I greatly appreciate your feedback mate. Cheers Tim.
That was really interesting, Tim. I have a 2016 Fortuner with the same engine, but auto, and I tow a mid-size van. I have just got a transmission oil cooler, and I reckon I will look into that intercooler after watching this video.The mods that can be made never stop! Its important to look after the donk, but I still gotta save some money for camping gear when we eventually get back down to the high country...
G'day Garry, It was interesting for me filming it. The intercooler on it's own is worth looking at. Have a chat with Matt at DTA, and he will help you out with any questions that you have. Thanks alot for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.
As I'm now able to spend the extra coin on such an upgrade, I'm curious as to why on other channels, (Ultimate Diesel Tuning) they achieve very similar power outputs, albeit, slightly lower torque with just an ECU flash/tune. Why spend upwards of 4k on the turbo/intercooler?
Hi, thanks for your good question. A/ I have not seen results from other companies but its important to compare the actual gain in power and torque, not the peak power numbers as all dyno's read different. B/ We tune for reliability as our primary factor, while we could make more power it may come at a cost in long term reliability. We do not compare what we do, nor are we trying to make more power than the next guy. C/ The larger turbocharger gives the 1GD a much broader power band, this is impossible to see when just comparing a peak power / torque number but in terms of driving the vehicle, its much more flexible and usable. D/ The intercooler will not do anything for increased power, however it does give much more consistent power, again not flash on a dyno graph but much nicer on the road.
hello tim. i saw on one pickup truck made by nissan, they had heated and cooled seats. They oviously had to have some thin wires, to contain the cooling componants, so it would be nice to see such technology on intercoolers, controled of the fermo fan. as the air blows through the intercoolr, it blows cool air that way.
Forty Two Gday mate, I’d have a chat with the boys at DTA. They will best advise you on what turbo for your Hilux. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
I'm curious to know where the terminology N70/N80 came from with Hilux. I have worked for Toyota for 21 years and this is not something we use as Toyota employees. Is this something that people have just made up? Or where did it come from? If you ask me, the Hilux in this video is a GUN126R. Not having a go, just curious.
I'd be interested to see an flow diagram of air going through the intercooler. To my way of thinking, most of the boosted air would flow directly between the inlet and outlet, with almost nothing flowing through the other 80% (taking the path of least resistance). The 80% would still soak some heat, but surely an intercooler would be better with a diffuser spreading air flow through the whole unit?
Hi, in some applications flow diverters are an advantage, more where the tanks are very long, or where the tanks are very skinny where a reasonable taper cannot be built into the tanks. In this case, you can see a good taper is built into the cast alloy end tanks to help transition the air flow. Air will happily travel to the top of this intercooler as it will be at lower pressure and as the pressure builds up in the lower, more direct tubes, the air will travel and distribute through the top of the core. This style of intercooler has been used for a very long time in the top tiers of racing, OEM vehicles including supercars and interstate 500hp trucks where some have 1200mm high cores and the inlet and outlets at the top.
I've got a fairly stock ZD30 CRD, what order would toy start doing modifications to get EGTs down and Power up (I have a catchcan already).. Thinking exhaust, turbo, intercooler etc, but in what order given it will likely be 1 mod a month? I'm guessing worth doing the tune last when all the rest is done.
G'day mate, I have the same model Patrol. Bigger intercooler will help get the EGT's down as will a 3in exhaust. If you have a chat with Matt from DTA on the contact details at the end of the video, he will advise you on which way to go on what mods to do first. Thanks for your enquiry mate. Cheers Tim.
@@Mambey My exhaust is 3in all the way through from the turbo, and without any manual controller that you mention. Yeah righto mate, i have gone to a much bigger intercooler and bonnet scoop from standard. My combo with a tune and not chipped, works really well.
jamie greenwood I’m not being either way mate. To be fair dinkum honest, I had no idea what you meant about switching brands. We’re you talking about me or you? I can take a joke any day from people having a go at my Nissan. Geez, I have a crack at Toyota drivers all the time. Part of the fun between the two badges.
@@timbates4wdadventures Im toyota landcruiser man my self...owning two at present Tim im around your age as well i was thinking after u seeing the lux on the dyno you might change brands true....there is a reason thou ...toyota is number one in 4wds throughout most countrys in the world .... but its every bodys choice what they drive and what works for them
Geepers that’s about $500 a kilowatt in power gains I would expect a lot more power for that money. At least it’s safe, still surely you can get that power out of a standard turbo. 💰💰💰
@@Ga7cun7sSUCK a safe tune on its own would get you nearly 110kw on the stock gear lol. This is either the safest dumbest tune I have ever seen or it still isn't tuned correctly.
All that money invested into a turbo to have the boost fall away earlier than the factory turbo??? Watch the graph again... Power curve is exactly the same you've just thrown boost n fuel at and is made safe by the cooler the new turbo is junk and falls away earlier in the rev range than the factory item... absolutely robbery of this blokes money
You can easily get 30kw and 150nm gains out of a dead stock manual n80 hilux without even pushing the factory turbo. With an intercooler, highflow turbo, exhaust and tune you should at least make a 50kw/200+nm gain safely. Was pretty much a waste of time bolting all those bits on this one!
All for 117kw, I'm gob smacked at the lack of performance. The little 2.8L isn't suited for towing unfortunately. Without any engine mods you can get a safe tune to around 105kw at the wheels on these hiluxs I tossed up all the dual cab utes before settling on the Ranger, more expensive I know, and the Toyota fan boys will harp on about reliability and unbreakable yaddah yaddah yaddah. At the end of the day I definitely feel I made the right decision. 108kw at the wheels stock. Did a few engine mods and got an aftermarket ecu put in and I'm 140kw at the wheels on 33". Looking at going an upgraded turbo aswell which claims up to 160-165kw at the wheels with all the other mods I've done. For towing i love it, for daily driving i love it, for 4wding I love it.
Thanks Batesy...lots of science involved !! Great vid as always...raining here tonight in Mansfield...again but no complaints !! And bloody cold !! Big difference at the end !!
Craig Willis
Gday Craig,
Yeah mate, I find these videos interesting to film.
Seeing how it all goes together is good to see.
Same here mate, lot of rain and snow coming again over the weekend.
Merrijig would of had a dusting last week. Very low elevation falls.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Batesy.
@@timbates4wdadventures I posted a photo on Facebook the other day (rarely use FB) of the view from my back door of the snow on the hills...haven't seen it like that for many years !! Take care mate !!
Now that was very well explained and informative. Thanks Tim for the vid. Old mate was able to impart this information very well in an easy to understand way. You can also see this company doesn’t cut corners or use cheap parts to achieve more power and better performance. Some were commenting on the cost of this upgrade but as you have said, you get what you pay for and I’m sure this customer will get many thousands of trouble free km’s out of the Hilux. 🍺
Darren Craike
Gday Darren,
Thanks mate.
Matt does know his stuff and explains things well, but easy to understand.
DTA is a great company to have work done on your vehicle.
They have dealt with performance cars for over 25 yrs, and they sure don’t cut corners on cheap parts.
I greatly appreciate your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
That was really interesting, Tim. I have a 2016 Fortuner with the same engine, but auto, and I tow a mid-size van. I have just got a transmission oil cooler, and I reckon I will look into that intercooler after watching this video.The mods that can be made never stop! Its important to look after the donk, but I still gotta save some money for camping gear when we eventually get back down to the high country...
G'day Garry,
It was interesting for me filming it.
The intercooler on it's own is worth looking at.
Have a chat with Matt at DTA, and he will help you out with any questions that you have.
Thanks alot for your reply and feedback.
Cheers Tim.
As I'm now able to spend the extra coin on such an upgrade, I'm curious as to why on other channels, (Ultimate Diesel Tuning) they achieve very similar power outputs, albeit, slightly lower torque with just an ECU flash/tune. Why spend upwards of 4k on the turbo/intercooler?
G'day mate, i have asked Matt from DTA to reply to your reply mate.
Thanks for that.
Cheers Tim.
Hi, thanks for your good question. A/ I have not seen results from other companies but its important to compare the actual gain in power and torque, not the peak power numbers as all dyno's read different. B/ We tune for reliability as our primary factor, while we could make more power it may come at a cost in long term reliability. We do not compare what we do, nor are we trying to make more power than the next guy. C/ The larger turbocharger gives the 1GD a much broader power band, this is impossible to see when just comparing a peak power / torque number but in terms of driving the vehicle, its much more flexible and usable. D/ The intercooler will not do anything for increased power, however it does give much more consistent power, again not flash on a dyno graph but much nicer on the road.
hello tim.
i saw on one pickup truck made by nissan, they had heated and cooled seats.
They oviously had to have some thin wires, to contain the cooling componants, so it would be nice to see such technology on intercoolers, controled of the fermo fan.
as the air blows through the intercoolr, it blows cool air that way.
Not a bad idea mate if it could work.
Cheers Tim
Hey bates, I've found a 80 series landcruiser it is a 1HZ engine, not the greatest but I'll end up doing an engine conversion to it
G'day Dylan,
Thats great mate that you have now found a 4wd to go with.
What engine would you be putting in the 80 series?
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures yeah It's definitely a capable 4wd, I'm thinking of going with 1HD-T engine turbo diesel
@@dylanmoncrieff8180 Yeah top stuff mate. Sounds good.
@@timbates4wdadventures yeah the reason for that is the 1HZ isn't a turbo diesel engine it's just a diesel engine but 1HD-T is a turbo diesel engine.
What do you reckon about a turbo on a LN106 Hilux? Might get a second hand kit off a newer model hilux but not sure
Forty Two
Gday mate,
I’d have a chat with the boys at DTA.
They will best advise you on what turbo for your Hilux.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
I'm curious to know where the terminology N70/N80 came from with Hilux.
I have worked for Toyota for 21 years and this is not something we use as Toyota employees. Is this something that people have just made up? Or where did it come from?
If you ask me, the Hilux in this video is a GUN126R.
Not having a go, just curious.
G'day Michael,
I did ask the guys about your question, and they didn't know.
They have always gone with the model being called a N80.
Cheers Tim.
I'd be interested to see an flow diagram of air going through the intercooler. To my way of thinking, most of the boosted air would flow directly between the inlet and outlet, with almost nothing flowing through the other 80% (taking the path of least resistance). The 80% would still soak some heat, but surely an intercooler would be better with a diffuser spreading air flow through the whole unit?
Hi, in some applications flow diverters are an advantage, more where the tanks are very long, or where the tanks are very skinny where a reasonable taper cannot be built into the tanks. In this case, you can see a good taper is built into the cast alloy end tanks to help transition the air flow. Air will happily travel to the top of this intercooler as it will be at lower pressure and as the pressure builds up in the lower, more direct tubes, the air will travel and distribute through the top of the core. This style of intercooler has been used for a very long time in the top tiers of racing, OEM vehicles including supercars and interstate 500hp trucks where some have 1200mm high cores and the inlet and outlets at the top.
I've got a fairly stock ZD30 CRD, what order would toy start doing modifications to get EGTs down and Power up (I have a catchcan already).. Thinking exhaust, turbo, intercooler etc, but in what order given it will likely be 1 mod a month? I'm guessing worth doing the tune last when all the rest is done.
I would say a new exhaust first then get it turbo then as soon as you can get the intercooler that way it keeps things cool then do the tune
G'day mate,
I have the same model Patrol.
Bigger intercooler will help get the EGT's down as will a 3in exhaust.
If you have a chat with Matt from DTA on the contact details at the end of the video, he will advise you on which way to go on what mods to do first.
Thanks for your enquiry mate.
Cheers Tim.
@@Mambey
My exhaust is 3in all the way through from the turbo, and without any manual controller that you mention.
Yeah righto mate, i have gone to a much bigger intercooler and bonnet scoop from standard.
My combo with a tune and not chipped, works really well.
@@Mambey
Gday Owen,
They are worth it big time.
Big difference from standard low range to the reduction gears.
Where did u pick the turbo up from
G'day mate,
If you can contact DTA and chat with Matt.
He will tell you that.
They open again this coming Monday.
Cheers Tim.
might have to switch brands now Tim
jamie greenwood
Why’s that mate?
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures was a good shit stir for u Tim ?dont be so serious ....thats why.... ive got a couple of thumbs up for my coment....
jamie greenwood
I’m not being either way mate.
To be fair dinkum honest, I had no idea what you meant about switching brands.
We’re you talking about me or you?
I can take a joke any day from people having a go at my Nissan.
Geez, I have a crack at Toyota drivers all the time.
Part of the fun between the two badges.
@@timbates4wdadventures Im toyota landcruiser man my self...owning two at present Tim im around your age as well i was thinking after u seeing the lux on the dyno you might change brands true....there is a reason thou ...toyota is number one in 4wds throughout most countrys in the world .... but its every bodys choice what they drive and what works for them
jamie greenwood
Absolutely mate.
I don’t care what badge of 4wd I go bush with.
As long as people use them.
Geepers that’s about $500 a kilowatt in power gains I would expect a lot more power for that money. At least it’s safe, still surely you can get that power out of a standard turbo. 💰💰💰
G'day mate,
Have a chat with the guys at DTA, they will have that info for you.
Cheers Tim.
Dale how do ypu know what this bloke paid? Im sure it was a shit load since a tune is $1200 on its own.
@@Ga7cun7sSUCK a safe tune on its own would get you nearly 110kw on the stock gear lol. This is either the safest dumbest tune I have ever seen or it still isn't tuned correctly.
@@1989cranston yesh after all the work he paid for id be bitterly disappointed with that.
What's the stock psi?
Im not sure mate.
If you contact Matt at DTA, he will help you with that question.
Cheers Tim
Stock on the n80 is 16psi.
Im thinking the hilux engine is crap. How the hell are you supposed to pull anything where the power drops as rpm goes up??? Regardless of the amount.
G'day mate, '
Im not sure.
Thats a question to ask to boys at DTA.
Thanks for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Covid stop me from getting down to them .. but ill get to them one day
G'day Stuart,
In your own time mate, but they are well worth having a chat with.
Cheers Tim.
Car servicing is still allowed, get the oil changed whilst you rock out with smile on your face....
@@renaehobbs5309 lol i am in Gippsland going all that way is mot aloud lol 5 kms now lol ill get there but
@@stuartsheil4234 yes, true, 6 weeks and counting hopefully.👍
@@renaehobbs5309 Thats right.
DTA is still open during Stage 4 restrictions.
All that money invested into a turbo to have the boost fall away earlier than the factory turbo??? Watch the graph again... Power curve is exactly the same you've just thrown boost n fuel at and is made safe by the cooler the new turbo is junk and falls away earlier in the rev range than the factory item... absolutely robbery of this blokes money
You can easily get 30kw and 150nm gains out of a dead stock manual n80 hilux without even pushing the factory turbo. With an intercooler, highflow turbo, exhaust and tune you should at least make a 50kw/200+nm gain safely. Was pretty much a waste of time bolting all those bits on this one!
Bet all that cost an arm and a leg !
It shouldn't matter what it costs.
Thats the work that guy wanted.
As the old saying goes. You get what you pay for.
Cheers Tim.
All for 117kw, I'm gob smacked at the lack of performance. The little 2.8L isn't suited for towing unfortunately.
Without any engine mods you can get a safe tune to around 105kw at the wheels on these hiluxs
I tossed up all the dual cab utes before settling on the Ranger, more expensive I know, and the Toyota fan boys will harp on about reliability and unbreakable yaddah yaddah yaddah. At the end of the day I definitely feel I made the right decision. 108kw at the wheels stock. Did a few engine mods and got an aftermarket ecu put in and I'm 140kw at the wheels on 33". Looking at going an upgraded turbo aswell which claims up to 160-165kw at the wheels with all the other mods I've done.
For towing i love it, for daily driving i love it, for 4wding I love it.