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The Big Arteta Debate! | The Invincible Podcast
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Robbie keeps talking down to ancelotti he’s won the prem, he had the best win percentage as an Everton manager since the 1960s put some respect on don carlo he didn’t spend half the amount at Everton as Arteta nor had a similar quality squad.
So you’re arteta out?
Ten Hag having more English trophies than Arteta is so funny.
Arteta has achieved more than him
@@noah2906 apart from actual trophies.
Achieved what?
@@noah2906what did arteta achieve? No trophies in 4 years?
@@lukey19920 A simplistic mind like yours what understand obviously
To beat Chelsea,spurs and United within 2 weeks is not a joke...It's not easy to win matches in that order.chelsea at home spurs are united away..
3 of the worst versions of those teams I've seen in my lifetime.
absolute nonsense those 3 teams are trash currently 😂
@@davidp8380spurs have been a lot better than the Mourinho years and the 2nd conte season
@@tigermouth11spurs get the job done but are awful when it matters. This ain't the title challenging 2nd placed spurs that make UCL finals 😂
@@Coronel-z1d form goes out the window in a derby. A terrible Everton team beat a title chasing Liverpool.
A lot of clubs now look at Arsenal as the benchmark. The only thing Arteta and his boys are lacking is and EPL or CL trophy to seal their status. For those that don't want Arteta, who exactly would you rather prefer?
There is no benchmark to talk about until they win something. Especially after how the team performed in CL knockouts. These are the games where you set the benchmark. Unfortunately Arsenal still lacks something to be considered a top dog
Tuchel’s a proven winner
Zizou?
Well even an fa cup or carabao cup would be nice considering this is our longest trophy drought for a decade
@@Kevin-im1gj Yeah what we lack is winning a major. I do think some clubs are looking at what Arteta/the club is doing though, so maybe an example of a model, as opposed to a benchmark. But if Areta does go onto win majors, that's something else.
But you can have a number of different models potentially, it's finding one that works for your club and what the vision is, etc.
Klopp only won the league once, but he also won every other trophy and got to multiple finals. Arteta is not doing that yet.
How long and where was Klopp a manager before Liverpool?
He joined Borussia Dortmund in 08/09 where he won back to back league titles, the DFB Pokal Cup and the DfB Supercup twice overcoming the mighty Bayern Munich so his record is in a completely different sphere to Artetas
@@jivet3919 Why didn't Arsenal show ambition and hire an experienced manager like Klopp?
@@DarrenTaylor-be5hf like who,,Ten Haag,Morinho,,Tuchel who stop Bayern from getting their routine Bundesliga title ?
Yet
Big up AFTV, great content all season long COYG
Arteta has raised the level to something we haven’t seen in 20 years. Be careful what you wish for lads, Arteta isn’t perfect and he’s still got a lot prove but everything is there to be successful now, we just need to find those marginal gains by any means necessary. Let him cook and if by the end of it he hasn’t delivered the league or CL then we’ll discuss.
Let him cook
Arsenal got to a champions league final in 2006 and have won back to back fa cups since. You arteta sexuals are weird
@@mac10ner A CL final that was lost and he’s already won himself an FA Cup anyway. 2 out of Arsenal’s top 3 league performances ever are delivered by Arteta and the league is the only accurate way to see where a team is at. Ten Hag will still be sacked even if he wins the cup this weekend, ask yourself why.
Exactly, everybody can have their opinion, and I respect that, but I don't even understand the Arteta conversation. Be careful what you wish for. Remember we couldn't get in the top four a few years back.
The level is 2 places up from our usual 4th and at the same time that the top 4 aside from City in LIverpool, Chelsea and UTD have all been terrible. UTD now have had a better season and still sacking their manager, we need to really be doing the same if we're to try and start actually doing/winning anything
I agree slightly about the Liverpool point but they did win the CL when they had 97 points, won the league the season after… then 2 years later was 2 games away from the quad and got to 3 CL finals all in… so the players were always in with a massive chance! If Arsenal don’t get to a CL final or win any silverware soon then who knows what happens
Robbie's take on Liverpool I'd embarrassing. Trying to belittle or compare to Arteta’s time so far is laughable.
@@FrankSolo367 No its not. Klopp getting to much praise for 1 Prem title in 9 YEARS. Wenger easily better than Klopp first 9 YEARS
@@matthewdoyle3877 Wenger made it to one champions league final and lost it. Klopp made it to more finals in two years. Go sit down.
I'm a Chelsea fan but the only reason why Arsenal lost the league is they are missing a 20+ goal striker.
which Arteta failled to buy, instead he bought your donkey
Liverpool made THREE CL finals, won the CL, won the FA cup, League cup, club World Cup, UEFA super cup, what have Arsenal won? Liverpool finished 2nd with 97 & 92pts pts totals we’ve never seen before for a 2nd place team, Arsenal got 89 you couldn’t even get 90pts.
Yo! Yeah Klopp is da GOAT for me. To he'll with the trophies, I rate him over Pep. But he's gone now. And we're going to be reminded of the stats you just put out, for a very long time to come.
:)
@@joelmiranda241 😂😂🤣 what ever makes you feel good
Klopps got a good 15years more managerial exp then arteta, and arteta is already beating him. So go f yourself with your forgetful stats
1 trophy in 5 years
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
@@pabloeskibar8076We are very much ok,no leaking roof,fan base is United,you don't know whether TenHag is staying or going
@@noah2906 u are ok with 0 trophies?
Klopp won 9 trophies in 9 years with pep at city. Robbie with excuses. Also Klopp made it to many cup finals along the way. Arteta is way off the standards. These lot sound like there okay with waiting another 5 years for trophies.
Klopp have been in the business for long. He has taken Dortmund to a champions league final. So has the experience. For Mikel he will get there. Appreciate what he has done and stop being an ungrateful idiot.
@@jamesalphonsus9642 what has he done though? Got second place with one trophy and a dinner plate in four years? Giving Arsenal the worst trophy drought it’s seen in a while? Why did we sack Wenger just to end up with another nearly manager
We are ok with Arteta,Klopp only won 1 EPL title but you want Arteta to win it every season 🤡
You both need to raise your standards. No need for insults. Just shows your lack of intelligence. It okay to want to be the best you know. ETH just won the FA cup against the unbeatable pep. The worst coach and united team still managed to win a trophy. Its embarrassing.
Do you know the meaning of standards? That a team finished 5 points behind city and the following season chase them to the end with 2 points adrift and you talk about standard. ETH won FA cup, so did Mikel. Standard is your position after 38 games. Everyone could see what Arsenal can do and have done. What standard and improvement have united achieved in the league? Keep deceiving yourself.
If i was Robbie or Lee judges i wld not question Arteta because is one of the best coaches we've had since Arsen wenger ,people forget that Arteta is young and his knowledge of the game is immense. Imagine coming second twice in the league from the best manager of all time. Put your energies elsewhere like how do we strengthen the team.
24:43 Liverpool's players never left cause they were winning trophies and regualry making CL finals and won one. Seriousely how deluded are these two?
We haven't collected any decent fees yet. We have dead wood we can't sell that we renewed contracts recently.
Best show for ages, can’t believe julian has gone what an absolute result !!!! been crying out for this
Is cup competitions peps fault too?
We don't have a good squad yet.
Yes because Pep might watch the game and make the players nervous.
@@potentialswillrule so giving Jorginho a new contract makes the squad better?
Evidently.
Now I don't care what anyone says...😉😉, this team almost feels like the 97/98 team, we just need an Ian Wright, Anelka and Petit. I think Rice is our Vieira (box to box). Martinelli or Saka (Overmars). Odegaard shows signs of Bergkamp. I thought Ramsdale was the nearest to David Seaman, Raya bit like Lehmann makes a few mistakes but is still a good keeper.
The arsenal of the last decade wouldnt have survived that run in we just had pretty much unscathed
Thats a change in mentality
I think we should wait till the end of next season to talk arteta after the progress we made we must not forget there are not any managers out there will come in and do a job
There are so many managers I would have over Arteta!!!!
Arsenals improvement is always attributed to Arteta. But I attribute it to the internal development of our extremely talented young core. Saliba, Saka, Martinelli, etc. these players would improve regardless of manager 🤷🏽♂️
We have the right man.
I’m terrified that he gets taken away by Real Madrid or Barca.
We are so lucky to have Mikel Arteta.
Pretty ancelotti everton actually did really well he left half way through the season to go back to real Madrid
Many football fans suffer from the grass is greener syndrome. The sense that new managers and players will come in and solve everything.
There is no debate needed.
Arteta has done wonderful things as manager. Well done. Keep going 💪💪
4 trophy less seasons on the bounce
Well done. Keep going
@@DarrenTaylor-be5hf Dont be entitled,,,
In years gone by, loosing was becoming the norm at Arsenal. Arteta has bought back the expectation to win and be dining at the top table again
It's absolutely ludicrous to think people want Arteta out. Some of our fans can be unbearable sometimes
Anyone who says that is really a spurs fan in disguise
Weve won fuck all. If we win nothing again next year he needs to go.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Lauren! I would have others over 2nd hand man of Pep!!!
Emery is second best after Arteta!!!
The difference is not the players but the coach. We have a coach with low MENTALITY.
The silly Arteta debate*
When you start to dismiss any topic regardless of what it is by calling it silly and attempting to take it off the table for discussion that is when things become dangerous. That's where fascism is born my friend.
We're talking about who should be the manager of Arsenal not the UK Prime Minister! It's only football mate chill out
@@davidp8380 Silly Arteta debate
Lee was talking out of backside, Arteta's Rice signing is way higher than Rio Ferdinand in 2002. 30,000,000 in 2002 is 61,000,000 with inflation. But nice try, SAF actually won trophies and in terms of the squads as a whole it was nothing like the talent Arteta has imported to Arsenal in every position after spending 700m. Saka is the only club grown talent right?
@@davidp8380 Fascism is a conservative ideology
The best managers score highly on recruitment, making average players better and drilling in a playing system that players can slot in and out of if required. Arteta scores highly on all counts. Plus versatility of style to boot, when needed.
Think you might want to reassess those scores tbh. Particularly around recruitment.
Tavares, Turner, Lokonga, Vieira what signings
Giving new contracts to Nelson and Nketiah - mastermind, elite level moves
@@Putmeincoachplease Nelson and NKetiah was to preserve some value for their sale. Tavares was cheap.
Rice? Odegaard? White? Timber probably....
@@Putmeincoachplease Paid 74m signing Pepe 10m to leave Genius!
Arteta has done well but Unai Emery should have been given more time though, to be fair.
Exactly!!! Emery would have won the title!! He is a serial winner! And he took us to European final!!
A great season is Only when you win trophies, we had a good progressive season
So in the last 7 years only Manchester City and Liverpool (once) had a great season
@@jojolouisThe only teams that have had great seasons without winning anything are the teams who have very little chance like Brighton, Brentford etc. So unless you think Arsenal is that level of club, no they did not have a great season and haven't had a great season for a very long time.
Thinking about Rice's first season and who it compares too - there aren't many in the last 35 years that spring to mind. Dixon, Bould, Seaman, Wright, Limpar, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Campbell (Anelka, Silvinho, Gilberto and Sanchez had very good first seasons but not at the same level). Great company to keep.
When people say it’s Arteta’s 5th year as Arsenal manager he shouldn’t be making any mistakes (which I think he’s made very few) it’s his 5th year as a manager PERIOD! First job, massive club, so many problems he’s had to deal with, club in complete decline when he took it on, it’s nothing short of extraordinary what’s he’s done… we are lucky to have him, if you don’t realise that you are not an actual Arsenal fan .. we should be grateful to Arteta, Edu and the Kroenkes!
If only Arteta has some balls to engineer a win against City, just like Man U, we would have been Champions
Arteta has done an excellent job at Arsenal in recent years seasons. Attending the matches and the atmosphere at Emirates is brilliantly. But there is clearly pressure now to win silverware next season. It has to be the next step.
Everton where good when Ancelotti was there. After he left everything broke down
Finally, an invincible pod without Julian 😁
Cmon ,brodda Juli is 👍 😮😂
I’m totally with your grounded realism Robbie. You keep us all on track with our expectant thinking and educate a lot of our new fans on what is reasonable Instead of having an entitlement that we have to just win everything. We have to work up to that and it takes time and real belief. Big up you, thank you for keeping it real 👍
Thumbnail is the Prem Liverpool won. Been so long they've forgotten Arsenal's ribbons are red and white 🤣🤣🤣
Food for thought. Mikel’s only major trophy was won when he first arrived with Emery’s squad. And then emery stops Mikel from winning the league at the emirates.
Wow brilliant observation
True bro, 6 from us
Your point being...?
And before that Emery knocked him out of the EL with Villareal.
Emery owns Arteta, like the Man on the corner owns the Lady working it
I must admit that I honestly thought that you'd win the EPL over us? (Man City) Up until the Villa game, I didn't see that happening, and from then on I thought you had lost the chance and I knew that we'd win every game. We always do, if someone gives us a chance.
Why Robbie says all the time about Southgate that he done nice things and all of that but needs to be sacked because he can’t get it over the line and that’s his ceiling
Why he ain’t using the same logic for arteta?
Just trust the PRocess and stop using your brain.
It’s not the same thing at all
Good point that arsenal squad is closer to Denmark than France. England are up there with talent though. There's 1 arsenal player that will get any minutes in the euros what does that tell you?
@@jivet3919 Wtf do u know plastic?
Great season to be part of lads coygs! Last final push to the top we gonna do it next season and the season after. We gooner be the team in everyone's head.
Great episode!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
No Julian so I tuned in, great episode
You just don’t have a refined enough palate for Julian
I couldn't stand Julian until this podcast, effortlessly funny and outrageous, I actually believe he's trolling most times
A lot of people forget the interview when arteta first came in where he said things would get worse before they get better. Fast forward arsenal have improved dramatically.
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
All this noise and it is literally 1 more.. damn.. y’all really have to troll harder 😂
The amount of players that have lefy Arsenal and won leagues and European trophies. These 2 are deluded
This guy really compared Everton situation to win trophies 😂 Then he says Arsenal were in a mess and would take 2/3 seasons. Ancelotti is one of the best of all time.
But Liverpool did well in cups and won the champions league
it's crazy! Arteta and Edu have done wonders! Who is out there to take us to next level as a coach??? Honestly the only reason we not winning is because of a juggernaut in Man City and Pep that is the only reason. We will be better next year, CL, Prem, Cups. We will be better next year, no question!
Fans like you are a problem for this club as you accept failure. Arteta has probably spent more money than the whole of Wenger’s reign and we won fuck all but 1 fa cup. The Kronkes are giving money this is all comes down to an inexperienced coach that is learning on the job at our expense
Yawn, absolute delusion
@FrankKnights ok. Tell me who's gonna win league over Pep? He's won 4 in a row, treble last year, 6 out of 7. Who tf is gonna do better? Fans like you are a problem. Demanding success no matter who we're up against. Absolute nonsense.
Not saying Arteta is perfect but fuck me you have no idea how hard this is. This is like going against Fergies Utd on steroids.
How come you couldn't win the europa league pep want in it but you took 4 pounds off man city this season bit lost to fulham villa
I'd swap arteta for ancellotti Now,
Nah. He’s old man. Great manager but Mikel could be our manager for the next 15 years and get better and better
40:30 that game against Norwich was when I bookmarked Gabriel as being our most important player!
He didn't play the first 3 matches and we lost.
There’s one common denominator why we lost to West Ham and Villa at home, we were all over them but weren’t clinical enough.
We need a WORLD CLASS finisher.
Who?
36:36 That "mess" won him the FA CUP! Just saying...
And this is what makes Klopp one of the greats because he managed to defeat Guardiola and his multi-million-pound squad.
Mikel will never win the league while Pep is there.
Loved it. Respect to you and respect to Arteta
1st time i've agreed with everything these 2 have said 100%
I love what Arteta is doing at Arsenal and think it would be idiotic to want to see him leave. That being said, he does tend to get ahead of himself at times. I think he should try get the basics right and win trophies doing that before trying his experiments. I don't think he has the squad nor accolades to do what he wants to do. Needs to be patient, sometimes he unnecessarily does too much.
Both seasons we've lost the league because of ourselves, not City.
Hopefully France don't play Saliba lol. Hopefully no players get injured at euros
The joke is man ute and Chelsea are looking at Championship managers
(As a neutral) the only thing that saves Arteta is that they lost out on the title by less than three points. Apart from that Arsenal never played in any finals or semi-finals (let alone won a trophy). He gets one more year, even if they finish second next year, he's gone. "Moral victories is for minor league coaches" - Ye
Don Robet Forget Leverkusen When a Hold Season Unbeaten
Exactly why arsenal fans are hated. How do we talk all this rubbish with NOTHING TO SHOW. How can you say "other clubs are copying our model" the model of spending big and getting knocked out of all competitions? Delusional fan base we are
2nd place is not a trophy. Top of the table most of the season to bottle it again
Learn the meaning of the word "bottle" .
@@eivm1990Arsenal were top and bottled it. 🤷♂️
@@georgeyboy5256 Liverpool were top too
@@baristashah8868 Both a pair of bottlers then!
@@georgeyboy5256i know you finished 7th and 8th in league focus on your teams and where they finished. Cant talk when you guys finished lower at least arsenal are challenging man city liverpool also but no one apart from that so focus on your team instead of talking about a team that slapped you up in the prem.
I think he was like head hunted because he was offered the job before Emery and he refused to be PEP's number 2 and immediately after sacking him offered him the job again
Anyone saying arteta out is deluded
Bro you alright man can't get to a final and hasn't won trophy in 4 years look how much he has spent
You're deluded
On the one hand the motivation the players had was down to the manager, however tactics and plan B (for example should’ve kept benching zinchenko against villa and rest Saka and you play low block at Allianz ) and wedve won the league and had a chance to progress further in champions league.. similar to last year you don’t need to win games you’ve got a lot of points in front of city, sometimes play for the draw low block and nick it, play safe no need for shaky ramsdale to be kept under unnecessary pressure.. it’s always same predictable formation experienced managers will catch you out.. I’d sack him although they can’t so I hope Madrid or Barca take him
I like Arteta, however he does not take cups seriously and there is some favouritism in his fielding of players. His ego will ruin him. About Pep, he is the best but the mindset that teams and the media have of thinking he does not have any mistakes, make it difficult for other teams to focus on beating them.
I legit believe if you think arteta needs to leave, you need to get your head checked. He deserves better than you clowns. Show him some respect. He's taken us from a mid table team, to marginally losing to the best team in the world
Yeah but he can't get to finals or win trophies
@user-xg7yj8tn2f he's won the FA cup. He can win things. But the league title is the main prize for us right now and we lost the league from 1 single moment this year. It could have quite easily gone either way this year. It was quite literally 1 son 1v1. Or 1 doku foul on macalister. One single moment could have swayed it towards arsenal. The margins are so small. Next year I believe we'll win it for the first time in 21 years
@lewis, answer one question. How many finals or semi finals has Arteta been to??
@paritdoshi9836 please answer this one question. Were you dropped as a baby?
Arsenal fans are the reason the club is losing home games
Great read 👍 facts
based on?
@@stefanvolk7418 the🍼
Elaborate?
Yup the home atmosphere is so fake.
I am an arsenal fan and I think Arteta can succeed but this is not a well balanced argument; you guys are forgetting that Klopp although he won the league once he was winning every other trophy too; league cup x2, FA cup x2, UCL x1 and he got to at least three other finals!! Arteta has only won an FA cup and reached two semi-finals in five years!!! Not a great record tbh.
It's funny how this two are not mentioning the other competitions.
You can not claim you "progressed" if you not include ALL competitions. Not only the League!
Do I think Arteta should be fired? No
If we don’t win a trophy next season and hit 5 full season without , are their reasonable concerns to raise? Yes
community shield and FA cup…..
@@briggsygamescommunity shield? shameless human
@@izzickk but your point was to win a trophy? klopp in 9 years only won the prem once and you’re already demanding that from arteta? bet you want him to bag the double and win UCL same year as well don’t you?
you really don’t understand football in the slightest
@@briggsygames arteta is not klopp he has never won majors even as a player
@briggsygames so the champions league isn't a big trophy? Why cause Arsenal never won it? But yall gas up the community shield
People who want Arteta out say to people who want to keep him are deluded. It's an agenda against him. Yes you're right Robbie, be careful what you wish for. We didn't win it because we couldn't keep the momentum going, we beat city and never lost, and we beat all the other big teams, so I don't think city and Pep stopped us.
I do think if Arteta didn't play around at the start with players in usual positions, then we could have gained more points at the start of the season. No team can lose more than 4 games to win the title and we did, that is how we didn't win the league. That's not because of city, it was the same when utd was top dog and then Chelski.
But I still want Arteta to stay and keep building, win us the league and CL and keep building until he's won everything he wants to achieve at Arsenal. 👍👍⚽⚽
Is that why we don’t see Yardman anymore? Please bring him back
The don not going to let anything affect the brand. I rate the business sense and workrate mans still in the trenches creating the content himself more time bare early in the morning e.g. transfer daily occasional fan cams could've let cecil and other staff do that completely seems to still love this but yeah the purge has been real and the og mission does seem to have changed with different obligations maybe
Not playing Havertz as striker to begin with coat us the title mor than anything else imo.
Guys I feel for the Arsenal players I am gutted for them for not winning anything. They have given it a hell of a performance this season. I just feel like the boys have to win something any cup next season just to get the mentality positive. That could be our break through and a start. Have to got to there no letting go now. We can't only focus on the EPL only better teams do it they win knockout football to get to finals to win cups. Gooner for life yeah. 17:53
Aubameyang scored 30 goals this season
What debate is there?
Dubai, its 44 degrees here and rising. You will comeback a lobster
king arteta top manager, without a throphy for 4 years , that sound like any other pl manager
Robbie must stop using this excuse of Pep being here he doesn't win four trophies every season
This season trophies:
Liverpool-1
Man Utd-1
Man City-1
Arsenal-0
🤣🤣🤣
Robbie, the simple truth is that with a lot of those fans who just like yardman are severely limited to a one dimensional way of thinking, and are unable to comprehend that just because they may have grasped the understanding of arithmetics does not mean that they now understand the field of mathematics.
A bit like Jay from the inbetweeners, in their heads at least there's no doubt that when they lost their virginity, it was such that the world of porn stars would have looked on with nothing other than pure envy and jealousy 😂
Lost bunch on aftv
Yes! No Julien lol
Arteta is the reason clubs are firing their coach
It’s not tho bro
That is so delusional idk where to begin.
artetas last season for me i’m sorry im tired of not winning trophies he better win or walk 2025 i’ll take a carabao atleast he jus needs to win
so anyone with different opinion is removed from this channel
I can't believe you are having a conversation about arteta
gREAT SEASON Robby but you didnt win anything.. be second is a looser place
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
Anyone calling for Arteta to go hasn't got a clue. An absolutely ridiculously stupid opinion showing zero knowledge or awareness of the game. As Robbie said, look where we were, and now up against arguably the best PL side since its inception with undoubtedly the best manager in the world.....yet a tiny minority moan because we haven't won the league yet 😂😂😂. Arteta is a guy that every big club in the world would take- he's improving every season as he's relatively young, and as the guys said, he's building something special. Klopp is regarded as a Liverpool legend yet won 1 title in 9 years because he was up against this City team too- didn't hear any of their fans wanting him gone because they understood the situation.
So frustrating we have some toxic "fans" who can't see the wood for the trees.
If arsenal can keep signing young players and keep faith in the manager,we are going to sweep this league back to back to back..👍👍🤲✊
4 consecutive full seasons of failure. Trust the process!
Ever since Arteta has started spending money on his own squad he’s won NOTHING 😭😭😂😭 don’t worry give him another 800m and he *might* finally win a trophy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Man. City gets 20 points deducted, he will have won 2 EPL!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Arsenal and the we challenged trophy. Robbie always talks down to yardman disrespectfully
Again Lee spoke nonsense Liverpool was winning stuff and getting to finals before they won the league it’s not the same thing
If you think Arsenal need to sack Arteta, sincerely, go support someone else