Just so you guys know, I hear you guys about us being more negative towards the game than usual, but I promise that we'll try to be a bit more neutral. WoW is the game we love and it's been a HUGE part of us in our lives. Hope you guys understand.
I appreciate that Hotted, and I do believe you, however it's very easy to see what the general tenor of the show has been over the last month or so. Getting someone who's a bit less invested (a lot of you guys have had a really long and brutal history with wow) and with a more neutral look at things. Also, a little less petulant Blizzard bashing would be a nice change.
I want you guys to express your true opinions about the game whether its negative, positive or somewhere in between. Dont be neutral for the sake of being neutral. The game is in a bad spot and you should say so. If we say the game is good when it isnt then nothing changes. Keep up the good work and dont let others influence your opinions. As far as blizzard goes, the criticism is not petulant - its well reasoned and it is certainly deserved. Blizzard is selling out and relying on their strong IP to make money and eschewing quality. The old blizzard would have NEVER released BfA in the state it was in and the fact that they would release such a horrid and incomplete expansion should tell you that activision is pressuring them to release unfinished content for shareholders. Nothing about what blizzard has become deserves praise.
Just keep shitting on it because Activision listens to nothing but money. As far as I can tell Blizzard has given up all its agency in how to allocate resources aka make the game fun not just profitable.
When a ship is sinking people try to grab pieces of floating wood not pieces of shit. Unfortunate BDO is shit. Believe me i too want to play an MMO with anime waifus with huge balloon tits but not when that game is smelly trash.
I played a lot in classic and TBC and didn't play at ALL until BFA and one of my observations is that classes in classic felt like swiss army knives. One spec might have a bigger knife, another a better screwdriver, and the third had a small serrated blade, but I always had the use of the entire SWK. Classes in BFA feel like you get a ladle, a meat cleaver, and a turkey baster. If Im specced to scoop, i cant cut or moisten anything because those tools are locked behind another spec. For example, in Classic I could play a enh shaman, but still kick ass as a healer in a BG where we had no dedicated healer because I still had access to most healing tools even though they were not optimized by being specced resto. Very different design philosophy.
Rarely does anyone discuss the downgrading of crafting in WOW. I understand not being motivated to pursue raiding for certain items that another person will be getting thru RNG and lesser content. The same applies to crafting as well. I enjoyed having high level fishing and was motivated to gain access to high level fishing pools. Now anyone can fish high level content with no effort to earn it. I'm no longer motivated to earn money in the game the way I used to be. I always enjoyed exploring and often knew things about the world no one else did. Now everyone is forced to explore if they want to fly. Every level of this game has been downgraded. I wish more youtubers would notice that not just raiding and gear have been ruined.
Last year when I played Monster Hunter World it was the first game that gave me the same feeling I had from WoW. I wanted to play more and progress my character. The deterministic factor that you can progress your character in a meaningful way matters. I'm a semi-casual player who only plays a couple hours a day during the week and on weekends. I don't raid mythic and at this point there's no progression I can make unless I get a titan or warforge piece.
There is a fine line between Legion level content releases and WOD level content releases. In legion, there was complaints that the pace was too fast, where WOD was utter trash and had very few patches with even fewer chunks of meaningful content. I feel that taking a slower pace, but really delivering complex patches with actual depth is the proper way to go. Blizzard does this to themselves, they are their own worst enemy. They will certainly take your feedback; months after the content has been launched when it's too late to change the potential optics. They also CONSTANTLY re-iterate on the classes each and every expansion. When they do that, they all need rebalanced; they take away abilities, talents etc. only to give them right back to you an expansion later. They burden THEMSELVES with all of these changes, which of course takes away from development time of systems and other content. Seriously, when will they learn to find a real positive place for the classes/specs... then leave them be for a bit and focus more on meaningful content. I've said it too much over the years... you experience their content through your character. If your character plays/feels like shit, every piece of content will feel the same. But, they continue to constantly change them, which eats up a shitload of dev time in beta and post launch, that it certainly takes away from other content development. Sad part is, with just a few surveys, Q&A's and focused testing on the side... they really could get the classes/specs in a great spot that would make the most people content. Different talents for different play styles... then turn the knobs to make them extremely close to each other in output. Boom! Leave the damn things alone for a few expansions and focus on quality content to experience through those characters.
MOPs problem was 14 months of timeless isle and SOO, exceeded the drought of WOTLK and CATA combined by a landslide. the reason we were given was to make the next expac even better, WOD ended up with a near 16 month drought of tanaan jungle and HFC, and the most cut expac in WOW history
I am new player and leveling up my first character and I don't feel overburdened and actually the huge amount of content and things to do is the reason I want to play this game.
I still think one of the things that still bugs me till this day is that you cannot even choose your weapons anymore. Sub has to use daggers, Fury has to use 2 hand weapons, enhance has to dual wield. I am not familiar with other classes but I assume its the same with them as well.
I don't believe that at all. BDO has a system that takes very long to get into while WoW starts out simple and stays simple. WoW has far more interesting zones that keep new player attention than BDO. It's very far off of being a wow killer.
No it wouldn't have. That game has so many huge problems it's insane. No end game, literally lottery RNG based loot system, can't see how much damage you're doing or how effective your attacks are, the stats and item system is dog shit, among dozens and dozens of other things that make it a bad game.
Nice to see that Rich has spotted a big problem that i have met as well, all the characters i have played so far are so similar in rotation and you can put the exact copy of abilities at the same places with same binds, only animation that differs... and yep all have builders and spenders, and proc's... so boring.
I bought BDO during the Steam sale last summer and played it some in the lull before 8.1. I had the most fun in the character creator screen. I intend to give it another try at some point but what I have about their implementation of transmog ($30 for an albeit very nicely designed set of armor) made me a little leary. But I do want to try out life at level 57.
what i actually love about bdo is its alive world. Every area is always populated. Every Area stays relevant. Not to mentioned you will meet players everywhere aswell. I think that BDO not making use of teleports actually proofs that dungeon finder for example made the players just stick to the city areas.
WoW needs a way A DETERMINISTIC WAY where you slowly titanforge your gear like in WoD... It would be amazing to be able to go to Aggramar or to Illidan and titanforge your gear for the current content So you can pursue your Ideal titanforge and it is fun
Blizzard have the biggest gameworld of any game in World of Warcraft, of wich they only use 1 % for current content... there are so much oppertunity to use old areas to make intresting content. There is no need to create new areas each expansion, it is perfectly fine to reuse old content and use areas players might feel familiar with. Just need to be a bit innovative with what they can do. Brainstorm it coz how the game is right now, is just atrocious.
anyone else see Asmon changing? :D must be the sparkles, his hair is combed, clean PURPLE shirt (?!?) , his desk is clean, and there a pink ambient light in the back? weird haha. good for you tho man :D
I'm not sure its a good thing retail slows down before a raid tier, not to jump the whole classic bandwagon but the hype builds before a tier and servers become more active, people dont slow down before AQ or BWL release, the same would go for tbc/wotlk
I went to the wow general forums the other day and I couldnt believe the level of disconnect between the playerbase of today versus those of us who want the game to go back to the way it was. These people actually think that the game is doing better now that they finally were able to push their agenda of dumbing everything down to make it soloable. And if you push back, they say "go play classic," yet when we tried to tell them back in TBC to play single player games if they didnt have the time to form groups and raids they told us we were just elitist assholes who only wanted to show off our gear that the casuals couldnt get. And let me just say this: I was never a hardcore raider back then and now I have a full-time job and an 8 month old child. I still dont want lfr and lfd and all of the other meaningless solo content that they have added. Please give me my MMO back and let these people who like solo content leave. There was always more of us then them anyways.
Just raid mythic. It's not easy. It's not soloable. You can't queue for it. It takes time. You have to have a guild/friends/community to do it (outside of the first couple of bosses).It's got all of the things the "Make Azeroth Great Again" crowd wants, but for some reason they don't want to do it. My suspicion is that many of them are bad/mediocre players that couldn't handle it. And I played all the way back in Vanilla, too. I just don't whine about "how much better the game used to be." It wasn't better. It was just easier.
Lol here is a perfect example of that disconnect I was talking about. And if you think the game is just as good as it was back then, you are in a shrinking minority.
The way catch-up item level and artifact knowledge work, you are literally encouraged to not play the game until the last patch. Whatever work you put in now to get item level upgrades or AP will be 5, 10, 30 times easier in 6 months time. People have been saying it for years and I have disagreed, but I think this time they finally have gone too far with catch-up mechanics. It's making the game feel pointless to play. Oh, and the game is still dogshit. So that's a motivational problem as well.
@@xzBorn_ Kind of, but the power difference between tiers was less pronounced as the item level difference was lesser. You could previously find niche scenarios where older tier sets were superior because of different stats or set bonuses. Now that can't happen because secondary stats have a smaller impact compared to primary stats, the pool of stat types is smaller, and set bonuses don't exist. Having ways for good players to distinguish themselves by keeping gear sets from older raids in their bag to exploit created value in having progressed through that content, rewarding them with additional gameplay and increasing the skill cap.
@@xzBorn_ there were a few catch up mechanics in vanilla (dire maul, tier 0.5 set, and then the end of BC we saw the first instance of "welfare epics." To me it should be kept at a minimum if done at all. As they mention at some point in the podcast, in TBC there were entire communities focused on the various tiers of progression because in order to be able to start tier 5 progression you had to have mostly tier 4 gear. This was definitely the best system IMO because not only did it incentivize players to do the earlier raids because they needed the gear from them to move up to the next tier, but it also incentivized blizzard to make meaningful gear progression throughout all the raids because there would always be a guild that was progressing through that tier of content even after the new tier came out. If you couldnt tell, im in full agreement with asmon that TBC had the best end game philosphy, and im someone who never set foot in black temple. There was always something to do and you couldnt just wait for the next patch and skip the tier of raiding you were on.
How long ago was this recorded to be talking about 'thoughts and concerns about 8.1' I subbed for a month when that patch came out and my sub runs out in like five days, there was no new content in it ;_;
On the topic of negative perceptions from content creators rippling out to players. It does have some merit to say it can change people's opinion of the game. But that is few and far between. I'd say it is more of people are feeling the same way and it make people more comfortable knowing they aren't the only one feeling that way. I can say that there is a lot of criticism pushed towards these game systems that are flawed, but people lack the understanding of constructive criticism vs destructive. If more content creators point out the flaws and present their opinions on how it could be mended would be more beneficial to making changes occur. If people only say what is wrong and now how to make it better, you have people just bitching about the problem. Blizz who may be watching it has to take more time to think of a way to fix it with no direction of where it should go based on the feedback. I'm sure many people have seen these types of thing flowing around the streaming and RUclips environment. Personally I think people with a large following could spark great ideas within their communities and convey a concept for them to work with. Give them a foothold and a direction. Let blizz take it the rest of the way. I think blizzard is lacking that idea factor and critique within their company at the moment so us as the community can hopefully try to help them. Fact is, world of warcraft is my game just as much as it is blizzards or anyone else's. I've invested time since December 2004 almost 100% continuous subscription. I think of myself as part owner, so like Allcraft, I want to see the game get better because of my investment. Why not try to offer directions on where to go and where to drop the systems and move on. I know there is people that will disagree with this. You do you. This is my opinion on the state of things in the topic I mentioned. Sometimes beloved game companies actually need our help.
problem is only the gear funneling every patch to everyone, so good and bad player are always close to equal in terms of gear but the results each can archive with that gear are still so different so ppl will only see an inprovement by just "getting better" at the game. Back then u had the idea: if u manage to clear that content (for that u needed to improve ur gameplay constantly to archive it) u get the good gear which makes u on paar with the elite. Now its not the gear anymore u can blame, so what do ppl do if they reached almost 80% of there theoretical power by default? just getting better for the last bit of better gear? No point i guess for a casual player. So the insentive to play the game drops a lot, gear isnt a factor of a good game-experiance anymore but personal skill but if u arnt a senior wow player, u dont really need to improve since u get the gear anyway. On top every twitch streamer is usually a good player within good grps so even twitch showes the casual gamer a wow-experiance they prolly cant even dream of archiveing SO what has to be done is: Going away from gear resetts every patch Increase thedifficulty of content extreme so there isnt a powercreep between good and bad player which is so obviouse ( like m +10 stays same as now but a +15 would be like a plus 20 now or so) And ofc we need better ballancing
It's more clear to him than most when Asmongold is "in character" if you will... he can't help but smirk a little bit. Asmongold is divisive at his best, and a full on negativity shill at his worst. I think Rich can't help but to wear his reaction on his face sometimes.
"That's the good thing about class design...if you don't like it, play something else!" This is where I am with wow. I main Affliction. I've been Affliction for 9 years. I like dots! It's my thing. Chaos bolts look cool and the numbers are impressive, but it's not me. Now that Affliction is based on a cd window, it's zero fun for me. And I've been told to play something else. But I don't want to. I want my rot spec back. I don't want to nuke anything. That's what I miss about class design. I feel like now there's no other spec to go to now.
I've mained a warlock the entirety of my WoW career and I've been playing since Vanilla. Affliction is my least favorite spec, but I play it when it's the best spec for raids, which is often. I'm glad it looks like it's going to be the weakest spec in BoDA. Anyway, to your main point, if you've only been playing Affliction for 9 years, then your damage doesn't matter because you don't push relevant content anyway.
Francesca Knowles i know how you feel. I miss my old shadow priest so much with spikes and orbs rotation. Now it’s just a mix of every caster, doesnt feel like a SP anymore. I want my old SP back
I really feel like they need a stream where they bring in a random player that feels different than them. As well as a returning player and a player that quit. Non-streamers that don't play all day and need the game to be interesting to make money.
Blizzard hide subs because they are not proud of there game anymore. They need to take pride in content they think is really good dispite player perception or they are just churning out shit content they know is bad. I think it they released more quality content backed by passion the subs will take care of themselves.
I do believe the proper pronunciation is REE-ZID-YOU-UM...….not REZ-IH-DOOM. been hearing this pronounced wrong not just in this channel but in many others.
28:10 the talk about blizzard looking into the phychology behide why people Enjoy it. its very simple. "community" people are soical creatrues we all know this. But probelm with the state of wow is. from the start of the game untill max level your basicly stuck on a path and dont go outside the guidelines and never soicalize at most you do a dungeon and if lucky the dungeon group speaks without being toxic. and then max level the said player is thrown into it M+, raiding, RBG, arenas where most groups want to talk. and this new player is like ermm this doseut feel right so basicly sits on LFR or doing old content wondering wat to do. Even tho i stopped playing little while ago. after doing Normal Uldir as i felt bored.... i didnt feel invested. and Looking at BFA i cant seem to play it. ill try and jump back in and see but i feel like am forcing myself becuase ive played this game for over a decade. also just to add about gorgrond. gorgrond Monk i waite for 2 days stright with 40man group getting it first on my realm. dunno am at a tipping point atm. if this game gets worse am honestly Done with it. packing it up putting in the draw and forgetting about it. Love the stream's Lads and the vids peace.
I'm thinking of ending it all if classic wow isn't successful I've put 6 years of my life into learning lore and enjoying wow for them to go and just ruin the game in one expansion is amazing....
When Blizzard changes wow from getting on with a chore list to, getting on to see what is going on. That will be the turning point, and will change MMOs. How to do that? Not sure, Global phasing of zones might be a idea, where everyone sees the same zone, but zones can change over time, new things to do world events happen through this system that we would never guessed. Crafting needs to have way more value. Also asmongold is wrong, giving content for everyone has helped Wow live this long, it has work and is working. It is just, wow is boring, and is playing it safe. That is it.
28th like! Allcraft is the highlight of my Thursdays. Also if you have never played Black Desert Online then hit the link above and play it like a singleplayer game. Don't look at the in game shop or any of that equipment leveling nonsense. Just play the main story and I personally guarantee several hours of quality content. Great singleplayer gameplay; aweful MMO. I recommend Archer, Dark Knight, Warrior, Wizard, or Berzerker btw.
Game's gone to shit! so, we as its loyal (former) denizens and long time supporters, have a duty to criticize rightfully as it is all that remains besides voting with our wallets.
Especially on Emerald Dream. RP PvP servers make incursions some of the best content WoW has seen in a while. Warfronts need to be redesigned with those in mind.
I'm just wondering why you guys think blizzard has a obligation to tell you how their game is going to work before it launches? Can't you leave it up to surprise? Entitled gamers
Because latest "FUN" changes feels as if you come to your favorite park and find out that all benches are replaced with bar stools, all footpaths are now coverd with brocken glass and grass is painted blue. Surprise!!! Evident, we like surprises like recent secret mounts, but things like Pantheon trinkets are just stupid.
Just so you guys know, I hear you guys about us being more negative towards the game than usual, but I promise that we'll try to be a bit more neutral. WoW is the game we love and it's been a HUGE part of us in our lives.
Hope you guys understand.
I appreciate that Hotted, and I do believe you, however it's very easy to see what the general tenor of the show has been over the last month or so. Getting someone who's a bit less invested (a lot of you guys have had a really long and brutal history with wow) and with a more neutral look at things. Also, a little less petulant Blizzard bashing would be a nice change.
Please bring HeelvsBabyFace on the show, or studenalbotroz
I want you guys to express your true opinions about the game whether its negative, positive or somewhere in between. Dont be neutral for the sake of being neutral. The game is in a bad spot and you should say so. If we say the game is good when it isnt then nothing changes. Keep up the good work and dont let others influence your opinions.
As far as blizzard goes, the criticism is not petulant - its well reasoned and it is certainly deserved. Blizzard is selling out and relying on their strong IP to make money and eschewing quality. The old blizzard would have NEVER released BfA in the state it was in and the fact that they would release such a horrid and incomplete expansion should tell you that activision is pressuring them to release unfinished content for shareholders. Nothing about what blizzard has become deserves praise.
nah dude, be yourselves and say what you think that's why people watch
Just keep shitting on it because Activision listens to nothing but money. As far as I can tell Blizzard has given up all its agency in how to allocate resources aka make the game fun not just profitable.
Please invite Bellular to be a guest.
BDO SPONSORING A WOW VIDEO LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They seem to know their audience.
hahaha omg that really is a big FU to Blizzard xD
@@Futurewolf-mk3tz Literally!
@@Futurewolf-mk3tz Blizz has had every opportunity to sponsor a podcast that brings attention to their game but once again failed
Haha sheeeit Black Desert trying to loot the sinking ship :')
When a ship is sinking people try to grab pieces of floating wood not pieces of shit. Unfortunate BDO is shit. Believe me i too want to play an MMO with anime waifus with huge balloon tits but not when that game is smelly trash.
I played a lot in classic and TBC and didn't play at ALL until BFA and one of my observations is that classes in classic felt like swiss army knives. One spec might have a bigger knife, another a better screwdriver, and the third had a small serrated blade, but I always had the use of the entire SWK. Classes in BFA feel like you get a ladle, a meat cleaver, and a turkey baster. If Im specced to scoop, i cant cut or moisten anything because those tools are locked behind another spec. For example, in Classic I could play a enh shaman, but still kick ass as a healer in a BG where we had no dedicated healer because I still had access to most healing tools even though they were not optimized by being specced resto. Very different design philosophy.
Rarely does anyone discuss the downgrading of crafting in WOW. I understand not being motivated to pursue raiding for certain items that another person will be getting thru RNG and lesser content. The same applies to crafting as well. I enjoyed having high level fishing and was motivated to gain access to high level fishing pools. Now anyone can fish high level content with no effort to earn it. I'm no longer motivated to earn money in the game the way I used to be. I always enjoyed exploring and often knew things about the world no one else did. Now everyone is forced to explore if they want to fly. Every level of this game has been downgraded. I wish more youtubers would notice that not just raiding and gear have been ruined.
Last year when I played Monster Hunter World it was the first game that gave me the same feeling I had from WoW. I wanted to play more and progress my character. The deterministic factor that you can progress your character in a meaningful way matters. I'm a semi-casual player who only plays a couple hours a day during the week and on weekends. I don't raid mythic and at this point there's no progression I can make unless I get a titan or warforge piece.
There is a fine line between Legion level content releases and WOD level content releases. In legion, there was complaints that the pace was too fast, where WOD was utter trash and had very few patches with even fewer chunks of meaningful content. I feel that taking a slower pace, but really delivering complex patches with actual depth is the proper way to go.
Blizzard does this to themselves, they are their own worst enemy. They will certainly take your feedback; months after the content has been launched when it's too late to change the potential optics. They also CONSTANTLY re-iterate on the classes each and every expansion. When they do that, they all need rebalanced; they take away abilities, talents etc. only to give them right back to you an expansion later. They burden THEMSELVES with all of these changes, which of course takes away from development time of systems and other content. Seriously, when will they learn to find a real positive place for the classes/specs... then leave them be for a bit and focus more on meaningful content. I've said it too much over the years... you experience their content through your character. If your character plays/feels like shit, every piece of content will feel the same. But, they continue to constantly change them, which eats up a shitload of dev time in beta and post launch, that it certainly takes away from other content development.
Sad part is, with just a few surveys, Q&A's and focused testing on the side... they really could get the classes/specs in a great spot that would make the most people content. Different talents for different play styles... then turn the knobs to make them extremely close to each other in output. Boom! Leave the damn things alone for a few expansions and focus on quality content to experience through those characters.
MOPs problem was 14 months of timeless isle and SOO, exceeded the drought of WOTLK and CATA combined by a landslide. the reason we were given was to make the next expac even better, WOD ended up with a near 16 month drought of tanaan jungle and HFC, and the most cut expac in WOW history
I am new player and leveling up my first character and I don't feel overburdened and actually the huge amount of content and things to do is the reason I want to play this game.
I still think one of the things that still bugs me till this day is that you cannot even choose your weapons anymore. Sub has to use daggers, Fury has to use 2 hand weapons, enhance has to dual wield. I am not familiar with other classes but I assume its the same with them as well.
if BDO didn't have so many microtransactions it would've actually killed wow
I don't believe that at all. BDO has a system that takes very long to get into while WoW starts out simple and stays simple. WoW has far more interesting zones that keep new player attention than BDO. It's very far off of being a wow killer.
Ely Venkus you’re kidding
Nah. It's a totally different game and isn't interesting to me as a WoW player.
No it wouldn't have. That game has so many huge problems it's insane. No end game, literally lottery RNG based loot system, can't see how much damage you're doing or how effective your attacks are, the stats and item system is dog shit, among dozens and dozens of other things that make it a bad game.
is this satire? lol. microtransactivsion/blizzard has tons of microtransactions
Nice to see that Rich has spotted a big problem that i have met as well, all the characters i have played so far are so similar in rotation and you can put the exact copy of abilities at the same places with same binds, only animation that differs... and yep all have builders and spenders, and proc's... so boring.
I bought BDO during the Steam sale last summer and played it some in the lull before 8.1. I had the most fun in the character creator screen. I intend to give it another try at some point but what I have about their implementation of transmog ($30 for an albeit very nicely designed set of armor) made me a little leary. But I do want to try out life at level 57.
I had the most fun with their profession / node system. I usually hate crafting nonsense but it was interesting in bdo
@@NothingCoherent Node/Worker Empire is one of the coolest features in BDO imo not to mention it is the best way to make serious money.
what i actually love about bdo is its alive world. Every area is always populated. Every Area stays relevant. Not to mentioned you will meet players everywhere aswell. I think that BDO not making use of teleports actually proofs that dungeon finder for example made the players just stick to the city areas.
WoW needs a way A DETERMINISTIC WAY where you slowly titanforge your gear like in WoD... It would be amazing to be able to go to Aggramar or to Illidan and titanforge your gear for the current content
So you can pursue your Ideal titanforge and it is fun
The state of WoW is that you can't even get guests on your vod to talk about it at this point and advertise other MMOs in the intro
Blizzard have the biggest gameworld of any game in World of Warcraft, of wich they only use 1 % for current content... there are so much oppertunity to use old areas to make intresting content. There is no need to create new areas each expansion, it is perfectly fine to reuse old content and use areas players might feel familiar with. Just need to be a bit innovative with what they can do. Brainstorm it coz how the game is right now, is just atrocious.
the game being awful has nothing to do with the relevant zones being new or not
25:07 Agreed, I have no mic streams on these days. I just play music i don't own, and make these days ultimately my phone it in days.
anyone else see Asmon changing? :D must be the sparkles, his hair is combed, clean PURPLE shirt (?!?) , his desk is clean, and there a pink ambient light in the back? weird haha. good for you tho man :D
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i remember in legion getting amanthul for my mage. I wasn't even playing wow frequently didn't know how good it was until recently
I'm not sure its a good thing retail slows down before a raid tier, not to jump the whole classic bandwagon but the hype builds before a tier and servers become more active, people dont slow down before AQ or BWL release, the same would go for tbc/wotlk
I went to the wow general forums the other day and I couldnt believe the level of disconnect between the playerbase of today versus those of us who want the game to go back to the way it was. These people actually think that the game is doing better now that they finally were able to push their agenda of dumbing everything down to make it soloable. And if you push back, they say "go play classic," yet when we tried to tell them back in TBC to play single player games if they didnt have the time to form groups and raids they told us we were just elitist assholes who only wanted to show off our gear that the casuals couldnt get.
And let me just say this: I was never a hardcore raider back then and now I have a full-time job and an 8 month old child. I still dont want lfr and lfd and all of the other meaningless solo content that they have added. Please give me my MMO back and let these people who like solo content leave. There was always more of us then them anyways.
Just raid mythic. It's not easy. It's not soloable. You can't queue for it. It takes time. You have to have a guild/friends/community to do it (outside of the first couple of bosses).It's got all of the things the "Make Azeroth Great Again" crowd wants, but for some reason they don't want to do it. My suspicion is that many of them are bad/mediocre players that couldn't handle it. And I played all the way back in Vanilla, too. I just don't whine about "how much better the game used to be." It wasn't better. It was just easier.
Lol here is a perfect example of that disconnect I was talking about. And if you think the game is just as good as it was back then, you are in a shrinking minority.
Say it with me boys... "rezid you um." Like Continuum.
ive heard many wowtubers call it Rezi-doom, its so annoying XD
The way catch-up item level and artifact knowledge work, you are literally encouraged to not play the game until the last patch. Whatever work you put in now to get item level upgrades or AP will be 5, 10, 30 times easier in 6 months time. People have been saying it for years and I have disagreed, but I think this time they finally have gone too far with catch-up mechanics. It's making the game feel pointless to play.
Oh, and the game is still dogshit. So that's a motivational problem as well.
I feel like that has always been a problem, working towards your tier-set was always over-ridden with the next tier. Or am I off?
@@xzBorn_ Kind of, but the power difference between tiers was less pronounced as the item level difference was lesser. You could previously find niche scenarios where older tier sets were superior because of different stats or set bonuses. Now that can't happen because secondary stats have a smaller impact compared to primary stats, the pool of stat types is smaller, and set bonuses don't exist. Having ways for good players to distinguish themselves by keeping gear sets from older raids in their bag to exploit created value in having progressed through that content, rewarding them with additional gameplay and increasing the skill cap.
@@xzBorn_ there were a few catch up mechanics in vanilla (dire maul, tier 0.5 set, and then the end of BC we saw the first instance of "welfare epics." To me it should be kept at a minimum if done at all. As they mention at some point in the podcast, in TBC there were entire communities focused on the various tiers of progression because in order to be able to start tier 5 progression you had to have mostly tier 4 gear. This was definitely the best system IMO because not only did it incentivize players to do the earlier raids because they needed the gear from them to move up to the next tier, but it also incentivized blizzard to make meaningful gear progression throughout all the raids because there would always be a guild that was progressing through that tier of content even after the new tier came out. If you couldnt tell, im in full agreement with asmon that TBC had the best end game philosphy, and im someone who never set foot in black temple. There was always something to do and you couldnt just wait for the next patch and skip the tier of raiding you were on.
How long ago was this recorded to be talking about 'thoughts and concerns about 8.1'
I subbed for a month when that patch came out and my sub runs out in like five days, there was no new content in it ;_;
Chiyori Nakanishi These are a couple weeks behind, Twitch has them right away and youtube gets them a couple weeks late
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Saw the BDO add, first thing i had to do was read the comments xD
On the topic of negative perceptions from content creators rippling out to players. It does have some merit to say it can change people's opinion of the game. But that is few and far between. I'd say it is more of people are feeling the same way and it make people more comfortable knowing they aren't the only one feeling that way.
I can say that there is a lot of criticism pushed towards these game systems that are flawed, but people lack the understanding of constructive criticism vs destructive. If more content creators point out the flaws and present their opinions on how it could be mended would be more beneficial to making changes occur. If people only say what is wrong and now how to make it better, you have people just bitching about the problem. Blizz who may be watching it has to take more time to think of a way to fix it with no direction of where it should go based on the feedback.
I'm sure many people have seen these types of thing flowing around the streaming and RUclips environment. Personally I think people with a large following could spark great ideas within their communities and convey a concept for them to work with. Give them a foothold and a direction. Let blizz take it the rest of the way. I think blizzard is lacking that idea factor and critique within their company at the moment so us as the community can hopefully try to help them. Fact is, world of warcraft is my game just as much as it is blizzards or anyone else's. I've invested time since December 2004 almost 100% continuous subscription. I think of myself as part owner, so like Allcraft, I want to see the game get better because of my investment. Why not try to offer directions on where to go and where to drop the systems and move on.
I know there is people that will disagree with this. You do you. This is my opinion on the state of things in the topic I mentioned. Sometimes beloved game companies actually need our help.
problem is only the gear funneling every patch to everyone, so good and bad player are always close to equal in terms of gear but the results each can archive with that gear are still so different so ppl will only see an inprovement by just "getting better" at the game. Back then u had the idea: if u manage to clear that content (for that u needed to improve ur gameplay constantly to archive it) u get the good gear which makes u on paar with the elite. Now its not the gear anymore u can blame, so what do ppl do if they reached almost 80% of there theoretical power by default? just getting better for the last bit of better gear? No point i guess for a casual player. So the insentive to play the game drops a lot, gear isnt a factor of a good game-experiance anymore but personal skill but if u arnt a senior wow player, u dont really need to improve since u get the gear anyway. On top every twitch streamer is usually a good player within good grps so even twitch showes the casual gamer a wow-experiance they prolly cant even dream of archiveing
SO what has to be done is:
Going away from gear resetts every patch
Increase thedifficulty of content extreme so there isnt a powercreep between good and bad player which is so obviouse ( like m +10 stays same as now but a +15 would be like a plus 20 now or so)
And ofc we need better ballancing
LOL! Shameless player plundering by BDO
Why is RICH randomly smiling like a mad man? When Asmon speaks? Weird.
It's more clear to him than most when Asmongold is "in character" if you will... he can't help but smirk a little bit. Asmongold is divisive at his best, and a full on negativity shill at his worst.
I think Rich can't help but to wear his reaction on his face sometimes.
he reads chat a lot, it's usually something he read
Hahahahaha BDO advert on a WoW podcast, that's telling....
"That's the good thing about class design...if you don't like it, play something else!" This is where I am with wow. I main Affliction. I've been Affliction for 9 years. I like dots! It's my thing. Chaos bolts look cool and the numbers are impressive, but it's not me. Now that Affliction is based on a cd window, it's zero fun for me. And I've been told to play something else. But I don't want to. I want my rot spec back. I don't want to nuke anything. That's what I miss about class design. I feel like now there's no other spec to go to now.
I've mained a warlock the entirety of my WoW career and I've been playing since Vanilla. Affliction is my least favorite spec, but I play it when it's the best spec for raids, which is often. I'm glad it looks like it's going to be the weakest spec in BoDA. Anyway, to your main point, if you've only been playing Affliction for 9 years, then your damage doesn't matter because you don't push relevant content anyway.
Francesca Knowles i know how you feel. I miss my old shadow priest so much with spikes and orbs rotation. Now it’s just a mix of every caster, doesnt feel like a SP anymore. I want my old SP back
I've already made the switch to swtor
they should have let us keep all are artifact abilities from legion
I really feel like they need a stream where they bring in a random player that feels different than them. As well as a returning player and a player that quit. Non-streamers that don't
play all day and need the game to be interesting to make money.
I do wish Asmond would quick bashing the LFD. I'm sorry, but "Hey, remember how awesome it was when it took 3 hours to get a group together was?"....
People farming the neck now when the neck power amount will be increased ill guess.
Yes people we have reached a time where other mmos making fun out of Blizzard, and its hilarious :D
"the success of bfa will be its ability to change on the fly" Bfa did change on the fly, a lot, it was just nefing fun things.
16:34 that may very well be the case, and most probably is.
1:7:30, how where those questions?
OMMMMMMGGGG Spotify At last Thanks guys!
Blizzard hide subs because they are not proud of there game anymore. They need to take pride in content they think is really good dispite player perception or they are just churning out shit content they know is bad. I think it they released more quality content backed by passion the subs will take care of themselves.
Wow classic time stamp?
lol black desert online supporting wow video XD
I do believe the proper pronunciation is REE-ZID-YOU-UM...….not REZ-IH-DOOM. been hearing this pronounced wrong not just in this channel but in many others.
28:10 the talk about blizzard looking into the phychology behide why people Enjoy it. its very simple. "community" people are soical creatrues we all know this. But probelm with the state of wow is. from the start of the game untill max level your basicly stuck on a path and dont go outside the guidelines and never soicalize at most you do a dungeon and if lucky the dungeon group speaks without being toxic. and then max level the said player is thrown into it M+, raiding, RBG, arenas where most groups want to talk. and this new player is like ermm this doseut feel right so basicly sits on LFR or doing old content wondering wat to do.
Even tho i stopped playing little while ago. after doing Normal Uldir as i felt bored.... i didnt feel invested. and Looking at BFA i cant seem to play it. ill try and jump back in and see but i feel like am forcing myself becuase ive played this game for over a decade.
also just to add about gorgrond. gorgrond Monk i waite for 2 days stright with 40man group getting it first on my realm.
dunno am at a tipping point atm. if this game gets worse am honestly Done with it. packing it up putting in the draw and forgetting about it.
Love the stream's Lads and the vids peace.
Its funny to me that BDO is sitting here with THEIR pen and paper taking notes on what NOT to do. LOL!!!
I'm thinking of ending it all if classic wow isn't successful I've put 6 years of my life into learning lore and enjoying wow for them to go and just ruin the game in one expansion is amazing....
Dolphchu only 6?
If you think the game got ruined in just this 1 expansion you are also delusional.
Meh, WoD received a lot of shit, then we got legion which all things aside held its self up. Hopefully wow will see brighter days.
ruin the game in one expansion? its been about 8 years the game has been awful
6 years? Really? That's it?
Can you start uploading these way faster please mate, I always have to watch twitch vods and twitch player is trash. :P
Member when every class didnt have aoe? Member when every class didnt have selfheal? I member 🙊
a wow show sponsored by black desert?! LOOOOL
Get Pilav
Thank you hotted ❤️
When Blizzard changes wow from getting on with a chore list to, getting on to see what is going on. That will be the turning point, and will change MMOs.
How to do that? Not sure, Global phasing of zones might be a idea, where everyone sees the same zone, but zones can change over time, new things to do world events happen through this system that we would never guessed.
Crafting needs to have way more value.
Also asmongold is wrong, giving content for everyone has helped Wow live this long, it has work and is working. It is just, wow is boring, and is playing it safe. That is it.
Rip falco players 1:02:23
28th like! Allcraft is the highlight of my Thursdays. Also if you have never played Black Desert Online then hit the link above and play it like a singleplayer game. Don't look at the in game shop or any of that equipment leveling nonsense. Just play the main story and I personally guarantee several hours of quality content. Great singleplayer gameplay; aweful MMO. I recommend Archer, Dark Knight, Warrior, Wizard, or Berzerker btw.
What about crafting the itens as the content drops only materials like in monster hunter world?
LMAO BDO COMMERCIAL :DD
Game's gone to shit! so, we as its loyal (former) denizens and long time supporters, have a duty to criticize rightfully as it is all that remains besides voting with our wallets.
re-sid-u-um
allcraft rebranding to black craft XD
wow died with garrosh
Rich is out of his mind. Sure depending on the zone, the invasions feel weak in some areas. Others, however, are great imo.
Incursions are fun & imo improved on invasions 10 fold.
Especially on Emerald Dream. RP PvP servers make incursions some of the best content WoW has seen in a while. Warfronts need to be redesigned with those in mind.
>not playing GW2 in 2018
OMEGALUL
8.1 was not a dead patch for marksman hunters. It was a total refresh
alan youre the best
wow unsub
FOURTH!
FIRST!!!!!
Marco Ford this is still a thing? /eyeroll
First!!!111
I'm just wondering why you guys think blizzard has a obligation to tell you how their game is going to work before it launches? Can't you leave it up to surprise? Entitled gamers
Because the people wondering pay for the game....so they have a right to know what they are paying for.
Because latest "FUN" changes feels as if you come to your favorite park and find out that all benches are replaced with bar stools, all footpaths are now coverd with brocken glass and grass is painted blue. Surprise!!! Evident, we like surprises like recent secret mounts, but things like Pantheon trinkets are just stupid.
Blizzard die this before they changes, they used to be in "close" good contact with their Players... gaming becoming Big is the start of the downfall