this camera is for people looking for a step-p from disposable film cameras. something that is well made but still offers film and has guarantee. a lot of people get into film photography cause they wanna take their time. they don't care wether or not it has autofocus or not.
I have one question: if Canon came out with a brand new AE1 build to the quality of the old camera and maybe given a new metering system, How much do you think they would charge? I think Pentax 17 is fairly priced, now when I say that, people will always think things are over priced. I don't want to spend more money than I have to, but these are tools. We have to remember that back in the day of film cameras, they were not cheap either. Growing up in 70-80-90s Film was all we had. We had no choices. You wanted a good camera, you paid for it. Do they make cameras better now then they did 20-50 years ago, I would say yes or maybe. But when the price of a roll of film was maybe $4 to $6. and we had 8-12 film companies competing for consumers... and development was available everywhere. Prices for development was cheap too, some places would give you a free roll when you dropped off your film for development. We don't have that infrastructure anymore. Thing cost more. I want to see if Pentax releases the next 2 film cameras. I like the Pentax 17 for what it does. I have a shelf of vintage cameras, some very high quality ones, but shutters have locked..etc. Not everything vintage last forever either. Be smart with your money. Don't buy just because it is the newest thing. Invest wisely! the danger is when we look at what others may want to spend on a camera and when it does not line up to what we think we would do. Allow them the enjoyment to do that. There are a lot of things in this world I can not afford, but I don't yell at people that can!
Fair thought, I’d say a modern SLR would cost around the same as a modern digital DSLR - $1.5k+US however I don’t think it would be built to the same quality of the cameras from yesteryear. Don’t think we have the skill for it. I think the existence of the secondhand market makes it tough for new camera makers especially film as they are competing with it. Ilford has a little digital camera that cost new for around $50us which has autofocus, light meter, sensor, proprietary battery ETC , I guess I would have like to seen some more of those extra features on the camera at this price point. But alas, you make a good point that this is a small production in a small niche market. This will make it a higher price. And the fact that they made it at all is good starting point. As always, I love your comments 🙏
I have a Minolta Hi-Matic 7s II. It's literally the camera the Pentax 17 should have been. They could have built it to the original specs of the Minolta, put in a modernized light meter, and called it a day. For little to none development effort.
Although this camera doesn't appeal to me, I can see a big market for it among newcomers to film photography. It's nice, small, and pocketable with the addition of a pouch. I don't know if that's in the kit, but it's certainly easy enough to find. In an age of very expensive film the half frame format makes sense. The outfit is guaranteed to work and comes with two rolls of film. While you may think it's priced to high, we will see what the market decides. They will probably sell a bunch of them.
The Pentax 17 is way, way better than my first camera, and considerably better than my second camera. Half frame? Zone focus? Hey, both of my first two cameras were 110 Format with FIXED focus, fixed shutter speed, fixed aperture. And I had no idea what I was doing at first, but by the time I got into the second one I was taking some okay snapshots at least.
I think film enthusiasts forget that point and shoots have been making a comeback. And most of them don't even have a good lens, from what I've seen the pentax 17 lens is pretty sharp to the point that is probably sharper than the half-frame resolution can render.
I feel people are missing the fact that is NEW, you can go and buy NEW. there are a lot of people out there that don't like used stuff that is why thrift shops are filled to the brim with stuff, Part of the film niche appeal is that a lot of it is indie/vintage aesthetic . This camera is for the people that are buying 2k USD Fujifilms X100V and want a film camera. Plus like me the people that are getting tired of buying point and shoots that break on the 3rd film roll. And don't want to carry their heavy SLRs with their heavy lenses. The only thing that I'm critical about is the aesthetic it just looks old and not in a good way, my Minolta 7000 looks more 80s than this camera. I think it would've benefited from X100V aesthetics.
I would consider the camera if it's at the right price point. Auto focus would have been better but hey, zone focusing camera might be fine as (mostly) everything is in focus anyway.
I'm glad to hear somebody feels the same way as I do don't have a Leica thinking of buying one quality over quantity should be the goal, are grandparents had Sears an awesome products we get Walmart and crap
Yeah for us mortals the Leica is always the end goal 🙏 can’t agree more, I guess this is the reality of inflation… our money is worth nothing . Just enough to buy some plastic junk.
@@shutterslaps4938 yeah I'm actually in the progress off selling off everything except the f3t and lenses,I just want things that will last until I'm elderly and Leica is the option I guess,every other manufacturer has abandoned film or just hucking cheap junk to make a buck
This camera will appeal to street photographers. I'ts small, silent and has manual iso setting (for pushing and pulling) as well as zone focus. U get to use the snapshot style cos of the 72 frames and dont have to constantly think of of should i take this shot cos it cost to much.. U can aachieve the winogrand like snapshot style with the lofi grainy aestheticsof daido. No loud motor makes u stealthy esp when shootintg candid in a apublic space. Built in flash for close shooting that gives that pop in a photo. Best thing is that it has warranty. It replaces all the overpriced point and shoot camera market . It is just the first step. surely they will come out with different models later on to appeal to diifernt market segments.Its like why do people use tiny Ricoh GR cameras when they can buy bigger and better cameras for the same price. l
I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this topic. I share your disappointment and confusion about the decision to design such a camera. Hopefully, Pentax sees something we film enthusiasts currently don't and will eventually create cameras that cater more to our preferences in future.
Thanks Mr. Slaps. Now I’m lusting after a Konica Recorder. I just need to convince myself that paying an extra $6 on top of the other development fees for half frame somehow makes sense for half the resolution I’m used to. Also, I too lament how *everything* these days is plastic flimsy garbage. And the very few things you CAN buy with any quality to them are so far out of the price range of mortals that I don’t even entertain the fantasy of ever owning any of it.
Oh yeah that’s a deal breaker for me… when a lab says there’s extra development fees I explain that I want it scanned as a standard 35mm frame with 2 images… no way I’m paying more for it
I guess at least the Pentax 17 will work better than your microphone. 😛 Ok, this camera leaves something to be desired, but it is new. There is an overvaluation of the old when the reality is that no company expected their cameras to continue being used for more than 10 years (continuous consumption is the basis of capitalism). And let's be honest: old lenses are no better than current ones, in terms of polishing and coating, so they have more definition. There are second-hand cameras in good condition, but it is not unusual that in a short time you come across surprises such as shutters that begin to fail, fungus and separation on the lenses, corrosion on the metal, etc. Time is relentless. Nobody is saying that the Pentax 17 is a camera for professional use, it is a portable, small, light, casual camera, to always carry with you and, yes, with excellent modern glass optics (which surpasses the old Olympus Pen lenses). The price could be lower, it is true, but they also sell you the guarantee, that you open it and ready to take photos, there will be service and original parts for at least 10 years. And like any new project, they seek to recover the costs of development
Nice try Pentax, but mmm no. If Pentax really wanted to sell me a film camera, they would come up with an X-Pan format. I can think of so many other cameras for that price that I would buy first. The only Pentax I own is the Auto 110 Super. Now, if Pentax came out with an Auto 110 Super D. A digital version of that camera would be cool.
Oh yes!!! Give me x pan or widelux copy anyway 🙏🙏 talk to me about the 110… I’ve wanted that camera for ages. So cute but also well made/thought out… would the Pentax Q be considered as a digital version? Love the Q
@shutterslaps4938 I first learned about the Auto 110 from a review in Popular Photography magazine around 1980. Then, in 1984, I was stationed in Korea while in the US Army. I went to the Post Exchange, and there it was. The Auto 110 Super kit. It came with 3 lenses, an auto winder, and a flash. I still have the complete kit. The Super has an exposure competition button. I haven't used the flash in decades because the threads stripped out were it screws on to the camera. Even with my Epson 750 Pro scanner, you can oly squeeze so much out of a 110 negative. Another reason why I'm not big on the half frame idea..
@shutterslaps4938 One of my most memorable moments with the 110 was in Daegu, Korea. I was on leave and doing some sightseeing, and I noticed that there were a lot of kids with their parents lining the street. I was told that it was children's day and they were waiting for the Pope. Though I am not Catholic, I knew this was a historic event. I had 3 shots left and needed to get some more film. I found a small camera store, and there had to be 20 Pentax Auto 110s in the place. I bought a few rolls and looked for a good vantage point. With the auto winder on the 110 looked like a small pistol. I had to remove the lens to convince a police officer that it was just a camera. I took 4 shots with the 50mm lens, and one was right on the money. I was about 20 feet away.
@@flyonwall360 and this sums up the greatest lesson in photography…. Being at the right place at the right time, where there’s something that’s worth capturing - with a camera… resolution doesn’t mater, the image will speak louder than the image quality 👌 what a story
I'm a huge Pentax fan and have many Pentax film and digital cameras. I was really looking forward to this new camera but at $500 it makes no sense. I laughed when you held up the Holga because that's exactly the image that came to mind when the Pentax 17 was dropped. And I have two Holga's but never in my lifetime would I pay $500 for one.
I didn't hear they released it. I knew they working on a few film bodies but as usual their publicity sucks. I love my mx 1 digital it just broke a few months ago. The zoom is stuck. It had the best in. Camera mic for concerts I ever used. Always great sound for a in cameea mic.
I don’t want to do the math, but none of the Nikonos versions were the equivalent of $499. This is not a great take on the Pentax. I like half-frame, zone focusing, and don’t want to deal with aging meters on my XA3 or XA4.
@@Zobeidtechnically I was wanting to say “Omega” - the last letter of the Greek language…. And technically I really should of said “Alpha” denoting the start of the Greek alphabet- this was meant to convey the point that it was the beginning (or eliminatory/basic) of the zone focus system . All that being said I do think the holga is a great camera …. Similar to the amiga. But I love that people I have their own interpretation of my content, adds a whole new dimension 👌
Ye, great job Pentax and all that, but it is waaaayyyy too expensive. And the battery was second thing that got me wondering... also why not buy Holga tim - because it doesn't exist! I want it, but they don't exist! F.
I giggled as you held up the Holgas. Everyone, learn zone focusing on a Holga and just have fun! :) That Nikonos camera is a beaut! It's the $500 thing for me. I was hoping for something under $200. I get research, design, etc. but phew. Anyway, I am still glad they made it and I hope it succeeds. Thanks for the laughs!!
There’s no way this camera could be made for $200. It wouldn’t have cost any less if it came out in the 90s adjusted for inflation. If you look at ASP-C point and shoots, they all come out to over 1K new. That’s because the sensor is the most expansive part. The 17 might seem expensive to you because of the price of decades old cameras and the fact that film isn’t the only capture medium anymore. But why would a film camera be cheaper to make now than it was back in the day? Especially if there’s no infrastructure for making them anymore.
Omg! I found a fellow film man who keeps it reel! Subbed! With all the hype going around i felt compelled to post a scathing youtube short comparing it to a cheaper vintage option with af. The yashica samurai. I love zone focusing too but a half frame camera should be for fun. Shouldn't make you work for a good image. If you get a sec I'd love to hear your thoughts on my pentax 17 mud slinging vid.
Oh man welcome aboard 💪 dude you’re work is awesome, and your camera collection is really nice 👌 would love to see you do some long form videos 🙏 but regardless, you’re works awesome. Subbed. That Samurai is a little cult classic, good score.
@@shutterslaps4938 Thank you so much for the encouraging words. I have some long-form vids shot, but a short a day is keeping me from cutting them together. Gotta say it's nice to find another film dude out here who aint a pretentious fart sniffer. Kudos man.
Finally someone who sees the absurd Pentax 17 circus the same way I do. The camera is beautifully designed garbage for hipsters with too much money (no pity for them). It's crazy how 90% of filmtubers prostitute themselves for a company if you give them a crappy camera for free…
Yeah I get that it’s a marketing thing to put the camera into every big YT channel, however, I find it so cringey. Would much rather see an advert video from Pentax showing the features and have a few guest photographers on the video giving their thoughts.
@@shutterslaps4938 ps: Thanks a lot for the Nikonos - my next „new“ film camera! Can’t wait to shoot in the rain without wasting a thought about keeping my gear dry. Really cool!!!
Yes agree with you, I think it’s a big miss, 500 pounds plus for a half frame camera aimed at who? Seems like the RUclipsers who get it for review like it!
It does have distance scales in both meters and feet on the bottom of the lens. But putting those pictograms on top makes sense. You can see them through the viewfinder. If you're shooting a portrait, you should see the little pictogram of one person in the viewfinder right below your subject. Hard to get more intuitive than that.
Because the youtubers don't even know how film works, how to shoot it, how to meter, how to print, etc. They just want to hype it up and get the attention, get a little money from pentax and that's it. It's all really diluted and smells like garbage. Hyping up a toy that cost 10x times the price of a superior used cameras that can do 10x as much? Garbage! Plastic toy!
the target audience is INFLUENCERS. No professional will buy it, no entry level film-curious shooter can afford it or justify the cost (especially with 2024 living expenses), it's design both strips you of control and overcomplicates auto exposure all at the same time. This is a PR stunt, not an honest attempt.
Rant and rant about zone focusing… But come on, it's a 25mm lens on a half frame. If you can't hit focus with that, you aren't trying.
this camera is for people looking for a step-p from disposable film cameras. something that is well made but still offers film and has guarantee. a lot of people get into film photography cause they wanna take their time. they don't care wether or not it has autofocus or not.
I have one question: if Canon came out with a brand new AE1 build to the quality of the old camera and maybe given a new metering system, How much do you think they would charge? I think Pentax 17 is fairly priced, now when I say that, people will always think things are over priced. I don't want to spend more money than I have to, but these are tools. We have to remember that back in the day of film cameras, they were not cheap either. Growing up in 70-80-90s Film was all we had. We had no choices. You wanted a good camera, you paid for it. Do they make cameras better now then they did 20-50 years ago, I would say yes or maybe. But when the price of a roll of film was maybe $4 to $6. and we had 8-12 film companies competing for consumers... and development was available everywhere. Prices for development was cheap too, some places would give you a free roll when you dropped off your film for development. We don't have that infrastructure anymore. Thing cost more. I want to see if Pentax releases the next 2 film cameras. I like the Pentax 17 for what it does. I have a shelf of vintage cameras, some very high quality ones, but shutters have locked..etc. Not everything vintage last forever either. Be smart with your money. Don't buy just because it is the newest thing. Invest wisely! the danger is when we look at what others may want to spend on a camera and when it does not line up to what we think we would do. Allow them the enjoyment to do that. There are a lot of things in this world I can not afford, but I don't yell at people that can!
Fair thought, I’d say a modern SLR would cost around the same as a modern digital DSLR - $1.5k+US however I don’t think it would be built to the same quality of the cameras from yesteryear. Don’t think we have the skill for it.
I think the existence of the secondhand market makes it tough for new camera makers especially film as they are competing with it.
Ilford has a little digital camera that cost new for around $50us which has autofocus, light meter, sensor, proprietary battery ETC , I guess I would have like to seen some more of those extra features on the camera at this price point.
But alas, you make a good point that this is a small production in a small niche market. This will make it a higher price. And the fact that they made it at all is good starting point.
As always, I love your comments 🙏
I have a Minolta Hi-Matic 7s II. It's literally the camera the Pentax 17 should have been. They could have built it to the original specs of the Minolta, put in a modernized light meter, and called it a day. For little to none development effort.
Although this camera doesn't appeal to me, I can see a big market for it among newcomers to film photography. It's nice, small, and pocketable with the addition of a pouch. I don't know if that's in the kit, but it's certainly easy enough to find. In an age of very expensive film the half frame format makes sense. The outfit is guaranteed to work and comes with two rolls of film. While you may think it's priced to high, we will see what the market decides. They will probably sell a bunch of them.
I came for the camera. I stayed for the day drinking.
The Pentax 17 is way, way better than my first camera, and considerably better than my second camera. Half frame? Zone focus? Hey, both of my first two cameras were 110 Format with FIXED focus, fixed shutter speed, fixed aperture. And I had no idea what I was doing at first, but by the time I got into the second one I was taking some okay snapshots at least.
I think film enthusiasts forget that point and shoots have been making a comeback. And most of them don't even have a good lens, from what I've seen the pentax 17 lens is pretty sharp to the point that is probably sharper than the half-frame resolution can render.
I’m actually interested in this camera, the only thing holding me back from purchasing is the price
have you heard of Penti? you're welcome! :D:D:D:D:D
get the one with the coupled rangefinder. Yes, that was a thing in eastern block low budget cameras. LOL. But not in the new pentax, nooo!
@@zabtej1645 penti? Tell me more
I feel people are missing the fact that is NEW, you can go and buy NEW. there are a lot of people out there that don't like used stuff that is why thrift shops are filled to the brim with stuff, Part of the film niche appeal is that a lot of it is indie/vintage aesthetic .
This camera is for the people that are buying 2k USD Fujifilms X100V and want a film camera. Plus like me the people that are getting tired of buying point and shoots that break on the 3rd film roll. And don't want to carry their heavy SLRs with their heavy lenses.
The only thing that I'm critical about is the aesthetic it just looks old and not in a good way, my Minolta 7000 looks more 80s than this camera. I think it would've benefited from X100V aesthetics.
For rich kids which have no clue what they do ✌🏻will make Pentax rich again!!
You’re not wrong 😅they found a market, they made this camera 😊
@@shutterslaps4938 they must make a little Bugs for real cams. 🤪🤣✌🏻
Dang i guess rollei35, agfa optima and olympus xa series just don't exist then
I can see enthusiasts buying the 17. At least, the more collecting focused enthusiast.
😂 I do definetely not know what is going on this mind of this antipod✌🏻but I feel thirsty.
🥃cheers from down under 😊
@@shutterslaps4938 cheers mate 🇦🇺!!
I would consider the camera if it's at the right price point. Auto focus would have been better but hey, zone focusing camera might be fine as (mostly) everything is in focus anyway.
I'm glad to hear somebody feels the same way as I do don't have a Leica thinking of buying one quality over quantity should be the goal, are grandparents had Sears an awesome products we get Walmart and crap
Yeah for us mortals the Leica is always the end goal 🙏 can’t agree more, I guess this is the reality of inflation… our money is worth nothing . Just enough to buy some plastic junk.
@@shutterslaps4938 yeah I'm actually in the progress off selling off everything except the f3t and lenses,I just want things that will last until I'm elderly and Leica is the option I guess,every other manufacturer has abandoned film or just hucking cheap junk to make a buck
This camera will appeal to street photographers. I'ts small, silent and has manual iso setting (for pushing and pulling) as well as zone focus. U get to use the snapshot style cos of the 72 frames and dont have to constantly think of of should i take this shot cos it cost to much.. U can aachieve the winogrand like snapshot style with the lofi grainy aestheticsof daido. No loud motor makes u stealthy esp when shootintg candid in a apublic space. Built in flash for close shooting that gives that pop in a photo. Best thing is that it has warranty.
It replaces all the overpriced point and shoot camera market . It is just the first step. surely they will come out with different models later on to appeal to diifernt market segments.Its like why do people use tiny Ricoh GR cameras when they can buy bigger and better cameras for the same price.
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I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this topic. I share your disappointment and confusion about the decision to design such a camera. Hopefully, Pentax sees something we film enthusiasts currently don't and will eventually create cameras that cater more to our preferences in future.
Yeah that’s true, maybe it will lead to bigger and better things to come.
Thanks Mr. Slaps. Now I’m lusting after a Konica Recorder. I just need to convince myself that paying an extra $6 on top of the other development fees for half frame somehow makes sense for half the resolution I’m used to. Also, I too lament how *everything* these days is plastic flimsy garbage. And the very few things you CAN buy with any quality to them are so far out of the price range of mortals that I don’t even entertain the fantasy of ever owning any of it.
Oh yeah that’s a deal breaker for me… when a lab says there’s extra development fees I explain that I want it scanned as a standard 35mm frame with 2 images… no way I’m paying more for it
I guess at least the Pentax 17 will work better than your microphone. 😛
Ok, this camera leaves something to be desired, but it is new. There is an overvaluation of the old when the reality is that no company expected their cameras to continue being used for more than 10 years (continuous consumption is the basis of capitalism). And let's be honest: old lenses are no better than current ones, in terms of polishing and coating, so they have more definition. There are second-hand cameras in good condition, but it is not unusual that in a short time you come across surprises such as shutters that begin to fail, fungus and separation on the lenses, corrosion on the metal, etc. Time is relentless.
Nobody is saying that the Pentax 17 is a camera for professional use, it is a portable, small, light, casual camera, to always carry with you and, yes, with excellent modern glass optics (which surpasses the old Olympus Pen lenses).
The price could be lower, it is true, but they also sell you the guarantee, that you open it and ready to take photos, there will be service and original parts for at least 10 years. And like any new project, they seek to recover the costs of development
Nice try Pentax, but mmm no. If Pentax really wanted to sell me a film camera, they would come up with an X-Pan format. I can think of so many other cameras for that price that I would buy first. The only Pentax I own is the Auto 110 Super. Now, if Pentax came out with an Auto 110 Super D. A digital version of that camera would be cool.
Oh yes!!! Give me x pan or widelux copy anyway 🙏🙏 talk to me about the 110… I’ve wanted that camera for ages. So cute but also well made/thought out… would the Pentax Q be considered as a digital version? Love the Q
@shutterslaps4938 I first learned about the Auto 110 from a review in Popular Photography magazine around 1980. Then, in 1984, I was stationed in Korea while in the US Army. I went to the Post Exchange, and there it was. The Auto 110 Super kit. It came with 3 lenses, an auto winder, and a flash. I still have the complete kit. The Super has an exposure competition button. I haven't used the flash in decades because the threads stripped out were it screws on to the camera. Even with my Epson 750 Pro scanner, you can oly squeeze so much out of a 110 negative. Another reason why I'm not big on the half frame idea..
@@flyonwall360 wow that’s a heck of a story! Thanks heaps for sharing 💪
@shutterslaps4938 One of my most memorable moments with the 110 was in Daegu, Korea. I was on leave and doing some sightseeing, and I noticed that there were a lot of kids with their parents lining the street. I was told that it was children's day and they were waiting for the Pope. Though I am not Catholic, I knew this was a historic event. I had 3 shots left and needed to get some more film. I found a small camera store, and there had to be 20 Pentax Auto 110s in the place. I bought a few rolls and looked for a good vantage point. With the auto winder on the 110 looked like a small pistol. I had to remove the lens to convince a police officer that it was just a camera. I took 4 shots with the 50mm lens, and one was right on the money. I was about 20 feet away.
@@flyonwall360 and this sums up the greatest lesson in photography…. Being at the right place at the right time, where there’s something that’s worth capturing - with a camera… resolution doesn’t mater, the image will speak louder than the image quality 👌 what a story
I'm a huge Pentax fan and have many Pentax film and digital cameras. I was really looking forward to this new camera but at $500 it makes no sense. I laughed when you held up the Holga because that's exactly the image that came to mind when the Pentax 17 was dropped. And I have two Holga's but never in my lifetime would I pay $500 for one.
The 17 isn't a Holga. The 17 isn't a toy mass produced by modern day slavery.
I didn't hear they released it. I knew they working on a few film bodies but as usual their publicity sucks. I love my mx 1 digital it just broke a few months ago. The zoom is stuck. It had the best in. Camera mic for concerts I ever used. Always great sound for a in cameea mic.
The MX1 has cult status 😍 sorry to hear yours died 😔 will you buy another one?
I don’t want to do the math, but none of the Nikonos versions were the equivalent of $499. This is not a great take on the Pentax. I like half-frame, zone focusing, and don’t want to deal with aging meters on my XA3 or XA4.
True…. But the price now of the Nikonos can’t be denied… you just gave me an idea - Nikonos + keks hot shoe light meter 😍👌 the ultimate set up.
I have come to the ”Slaps” and intend to stay!
Welcome aboard mate 💪🎉
"it's the amiga of zone focusing" 🤣
You nailed it 🤣
Amiga? Like Amiga computers? I don't get it. Those were way ahead of anything else in their day.
@@Zobeidtechnically I was wanting to say “Omega” - the last letter of the Greek language…. And technically I really should of said “Alpha” denoting the start of the Greek alphabet- this was meant to convey the point that it was the beginning (or eliminatory/basic) of the zone focus system . All that being said I do think the holga is a great camera …. Similar to the amiga.
But I love that people I have their own interpretation of my content, adds a whole new dimension 👌
one minute in and I'm out. I thought maybe there would be information here. Just found complaints. Bye.
you can get a FM3a for that money or a Canon 1v
That’s where my money would go 🙏
F3 did not go to Viet Nam c1980s
Ah you’re right.. it was the OG F that did, good spot
Ye, great job Pentax and all that, but it is waaaayyyy too expensive. And the battery was second thing that got me wondering... also why not buy Holga tim - because it doesn't exist! I want it, but they don't exist! F.
Yeah the Tim is an elusive little guy. Hope you eventually find one…. It’s insane what you can create with a plastic lens half frame 😬💪
if Pentax is Volvo... dare I ask who is Saab.. lol
Nikkormat.
I giggled as you held up the Holgas. Everyone, learn zone focusing on a Holga and just have fun! :) That Nikonos camera is a beaut! It's the $500 thing for me. I was hoping for something under $200. I get research, design, etc. but phew. Anyway, I am still glad they made it and I hope it succeeds. Thanks for the laughs!!
Totally agree, glad it exists and hope it does well…. But not for me 😅
There’s no way this camera could be made for $200. It wouldn’t have cost any less if it came out in the 90s adjusted for inflation. If you look at ASP-C point and shoots, they all come out to over 1K new. That’s because the sensor is the most expansive part. The 17 might seem expensive to you because of the price of decades old cameras and the fact that film isn’t the only capture medium anymore. But why would a film camera be cheaper to make now than it was back in the day? Especially if there’s no infrastructure for making them anymore.
@@VariTimo You're right, absolutely, on all fronts. My wish was never realistic for $200, just that, a wish. :)
Just wait for couple years or maybe a decade then u prob can get this one used for around that price
@@beelzking if it lasts that long 😅
Omg! I found a fellow film man who keeps it reel! Subbed! With all the hype going around i felt compelled to post a scathing youtube short comparing it to a cheaper vintage option with af. The yashica samurai. I love zone focusing too but a half frame camera should be for fun. Shouldn't make you work for a good image. If you get a sec I'd love to hear your thoughts on my pentax 17 mud slinging vid.
Oh man welcome aboard 💪 dude you’re work is awesome, and your camera collection is really nice 👌 would love to see you do some long form videos 🙏 but regardless, you’re works awesome. Subbed. That Samurai is a little cult classic, good score.
@@shutterslaps4938 Thank you so much for the encouraging words. I have some long-form vids shot, but a short a day is keeping me from cutting them together. Gotta say it's nice to find another film dude out here who aint a pretentious fart sniffer. Kudos man.
@@nicklopro amen to that man 🙏 to many people in this community taken them selves too seriously 😅
Finally someone who sees the absurd Pentax 17 circus the same way I do. The camera is beautifully designed garbage for hipsters with too much money (no pity for them). It's crazy how 90% of filmtubers prostitute themselves for a company if you give them a crappy camera for free…
Yeah I get that it’s a marketing thing to put the camera into every big YT channel, however, I find it so cringey. Would much rather see an advert video from Pentax showing the features and have a few guest photographers on the video giving their thoughts.
@@shutterslaps4938 ps: Thanks a lot for the Nikonos - my next „new“ film camera! Can’t wait to shoot in the rain without wasting a thought about keeping my gear dry. Really cool!!!
Yes agree with you, I think it’s a big miss, 500 pounds plus for a half frame camera aimed at who? Seems like the RUclipsers who get it for review like it!
Pentax thinks photographers are idiots. You saw the focus distance scale?...forks and spoons? JC. Slap us silly shutterslaps
🤣🤣🤣🤣 “forks and spoons” 😂 ya killing me man
It does have distance scales in both meters and feet on the bottom of the lens. But putting those pictograms on top makes sense. You can see them through the viewfinder. If you're shooting a portrait, you should see the little pictogram of one person in the viewfinder right below your subject. Hard to get more intuitive than that.
Because the youtubers don't even know how film works, how to shoot it, how to meter, how to print, etc. They just want to hype it up and get the attention, get a little money from pentax and that's it. It's all really diluted and smells like garbage. Hyping up a toy that cost 10x times the price of a superior used cameras that can do 10x as much? Garbage! Plastic toy!
…. Well you’re not wrong 🤷
the target audience is INFLUENCERS. No professional will buy it, no entry level film-curious shooter can afford it or justify the cost (especially with 2024 living expenses), it's design both strips you of control and overcomplicates auto exposure all at the same time.
This is a PR stunt, not an honest attempt.