Their only good review last year was the 7/10 for Starfield because everyone else was giving Starfield a 8 or 9 out of 10 even though it was mediocre at best.
@@Vi_Vi_1 Give it an 8 or 9, everyone just goes yeah ok. and moves on, give it a 10 people will question it but wont give them too much crap for it, people will forget about that in a day, but give it a 5 or 6, people are going to remember that.
There can be to much and if you can't understand that you're likely that fat kid that thought there can't be enough chocolate cake turned into an adult.
JJK is like a romance made up only of cute, fluffy moments between two flat and uninteresting characters. The problem isn’t that there’s too much action in JJK, the problem is the action is the whole show, it’s the ONLY thing, with nothing else giving those fights meaning. Even shounen needs things besides action, and JJK fails hard.
@@AraumC tell me you've never watched JJK without telling me you've neve watched JJK. This arc was the climax of the buildup of season 1, JJK 0 and Hidden Inventory, it's not "just action". Also the stuff with Toji and Megumi, Sukuna and Jogo, and Yuji and Mahito is literal character development mid fight lmao, this is such a clown take.
I'm going to be honest, 6-7 seems like a fair rate to me for something that precisely focuses only on fights and explaining skills. I like jujutsu kaisen but people put it way above things they did more
@@1chibanKasuga Totally, FMAB is a good example, it has an amazing power system, clever stratagems, well done characters and subplots and it's totally simple and easy to understand.
Tbf I would say Yuji is the only character that received any major development this arc (even then you won't really see it until the next arc), most of the cast get next to nothing in terms of significant character development/ moments (Aside from Choso maybe). People complain that jjk only characterizes the cast through fights, and I do think that can work though I think an issue with jjk is that it rarely decides to slow down and develop characters through other means and as a result it forgos a lot of potential character moments/ interactions that would further flesh out characters.
People who say that JJK S2 is almost non-stop action are technically right BUT what these people have to understand is that the Shibuya arc in its entirety is a complete pay off arc. Everything that happened from the beginning of the series until the end of the Hidden Inventory arc was building up for the events that would happen in Shibuya. A lot of shounen arcs have both the build up and the pay off all in the same arc but in JJK its been split up into multiple arcs.
Imo I don’t think it deserves it, it has one season and a bit worth of content and already does its version of a shonen ‘war arc’. Which is followed by another ‘war arc’. I and many people who take issue with the arc is because we feel we didn’t really spend enough time with many of these characters to really feel the impact of let’s say Nobara and Nanami’s deaths. Even Mahito, most of what we get from him in the whole series is this same arc….where he also dies. I don’t think it’s terrible by any means, but it doesn’t seem like many fans of it really wanna engage with how others take issue with how quick a pay off arc happens when the arcs before it seemed to primarily just establish the world and be a side quest rather than a true build up to a large scale conflict.
@@jo0rd73 The Shibuya arc isn't technically a "war arc" as it's still much smaller in scale than a war would be. That's why it's called the "Shibuya incident" but I get what you mean. I can imagine that it bugs some people that a few characters already died without really fulfilling their full potential (that's gonna be much worse later on by the way) but I think the Shibuya incident in general was perfectly foreshadowed... Hell, it wasn't even foreshadowed, it was straight up told to us by the villains that on October 31st, they would go ahead and seal Gojo... and they actually did just that.
@@wolfbrigade8042 I have read the manga so yeah I understand how it kinda gets worse in terms of character deaths happening just cause…..Honestly what was very weird to me is that I loved the arc when I binged in the manga, I think waiting weekly may have made it suffer? Because you’re waiting a week just for another fight for the most part and I felt like a lot of the impact was lost due to this. I feel like it’s a really great idea in theory but I think it could have done with more character focused moments either beforehand or during the arc. I don’t know….there was some of it I really liked upon experiencing it again in anime form but other parts just had me like “damn I think an arc like this may have happened too quickly”. I think if it happened a bit later on and served as an end of act 1/start of act 2 kind of a deal it would be more effective in the long run too. However knowing that this is like a halfway point ish of the series followed by an arc that has a different premise but similar narratively followed by an arc which is gonna apparently serve as the end of the series is just kind of underwhelming to me. Especially knowing how frequently the writing shits the bed in the following arcs, honestly post Shibuya all I really care for is the Maki shit despite it being one of the most controversial parts of what’s to come lol I just felt like that at least had emotional weight alongside the crazy fighting and character moments.
@@jo0rd73Manga series in general seem to be going much faster these days. Compared to One Piece, and Naruto, which had hundreds of chapters worth of build up, before their big bombastic conflicts, JJK has to speed its way into the conflict, to keep audiences interested.
Bringing up the animators issues is kind of unfair because tons of people watch it at different times and are unaware of the issues at Mappa unless told.
I think it's fine to bring it up as long as they separate the art from the artist. I haven't seen any of JJK, shonen just isn't for me, but if the issues are noted and don't influence the score of the actual show, then it's fine.
@@BanefulOtter I see your point, but unless you are a super fan or chronically online you wouldn’t understand why that is a point for the score. You would probably guess it by some of the episodes tho. I do understand people not liking Shōnen but I also don’t. I think things should be graded as the series is which is a battle Shonen. I’m just glad shibuya was adapted greatly despite the issues.
@@R89iv I'm glad the hear that the adaptation was good! I just think it's okay to note the human toll on something then move on. Most people won't care, but there's no harm in saying "people worked really hard on this, sometimes for an unbelievable amount of hours a week" then moving on with the review. As I said, as long as it doesn't influence review scores.
I think it's fair to bring up because I had strong suspicions that something was going on since way before anything even came out on Twitter and it did diminish my overall enjoyment quite a bit. I still think the work the animators did is incredible but at the same time I think it bleeds through quite easily when a work like this was rushed.
The problem though is that it does translate on-screen. Many of the episodes look ROUGH. Really, really rough. The entire Sukuna fight with the apex shikigami was just a crapload of scribbles and polygons without any attention to detail whatsoever, and a lot of the characters have barely any shading during the talking scenes. There's a massive dip in quality in many of the episodes so it's not surprising that such issues might come to light.
No death that I can think of was purely just to be shock value. Nanami as a character was fleshed out and was put in the very situation that made him run from being a jujutsu sorcerer. Nobara was a parallel to Haibara and her death was very important for Yuji’s character especially in tandem with Nanami’s death. Nobara’s death made Yuji have to choose which path he’s going to take. He could be like Nanami and run like Yuji was going to do prior to Todo’s speech, shift his ideals like Geto, or continue on the tough path like Gojo. Nanami and Todo pushed him in the direction he is on by the end. You couldn’t tell that story without those two deaths to the same degree. I’m sure from the start Gege wrote Nobara and Nanami as the two who will be the catalyst for Yuji to hit rock bottom and have a new starting point. Nobara’s character was written with a busted ability, but a lackluster long term goal. She felt set up to be a major loss. I’m anime only so I could be wrong, but the female character that has the strong ability and more interesting long term goal was always Maki. She’s really interesting and has ties to not only Yuta and Megumi, but also the Zenin clan. People are upset and don’t like the death of Nobara, but that’s exactly how you should feel when a person dies at a young age with potential. It sucks that Nanami dies when he’s one of the people who least deserved the death they gotten. IGN has been a failure since the start with reviews on media and haven’t been relevant with game reviews for over a decade. They’re only known for the Pokémon meme and snow they got their anime equivalent
Yeah exactly, people say nobara was a shock value kill but I disagree, she was told not stray from the group and did and while knowing that yuji and nanami didn’t win against mahito still tried to 1 v 1. She got to cocky and it killed her, I could say the same about yuji but he has soul manipulation plot armor. It’s kill or be killed and people though this was a slice of life. 💀
ugh but I still really think Nobara was for shock value. Yes, it wasn't TOTALLY for nothing, but it was no worth the vast amount of potential her character had. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to reduce her to character development for Yuji because she was a greatly developed character in JJK. For me, Nanami death - it sounds horrible, but it was great for the stakes and for what the story was trying to do. Nobara's death didn't compound the effect that Nanami's death had for me - if anything it took away from it. I'm not a film critic or anything like that so I don't have the terminology but it just felt lackluster for her character.
@@bug688 I didn't mind, because in my head Nobara already had completed her character arc. She didn't have any real goals in life, except to live life in the big city and find people who could take the few seats of her life, and both were accomplished. I feel that if Nobara lived, she wouldn't really have anywhere to GO in the story besides just get stronger and die way later. There was no overarching goal, ideal, or even school of thought (Geto, Gojo, Nanami, Yuji etc are all incredibly headfast and determined in their way of thought and decisionmaking, which intrinsically ties into their ''big goals'')
Classic IGN. You have to believe, there was an actual conference room meeting where they decided , "Yes, let's be edgy and try to be different from others by diminishing the content of hardworking animators. Yes. that will truly uplift our platform"
@@pougetguillaume4632 I feel like you missed the character progression in Shibuya just being honest. Shibuya is the pay-off to all the build up prior to this point. One example off the top of my head is Yuji. You had season 1 establishing Yuji as “special” and giving him a purpose to keep on living and fighting till he has to be executed. Then comes Shibuya, where we find out he’s related to Choso (a curse), and that’s why he can handle Sakuna’s fingers. He also has his motivations changed because of Nanami’s death. (Another character progression moment because Nanami relying on Yuji and acknowledging him is something he didn’t want to do in Season 1)
@@pougetguillaume4632 To each their own. I respect your opinion. However if you also had a platform like IGN and decided to give it a 6 when it truly is 8+ , from the plot - art - ending - hype, I would also be bashing you as well. IGN dun did it again, they deserve my insult.
For me, the too much action makes sense for what i think the shibuya incident is about. Jujutsu society is informed of something bad happening on shibuya night of 0ct.31 and obviously because of who's at play, this is a big event which calls for many sorcerers to join in. Initially it was just going to be Gojo dealing with everything but it went to shit and he was sealed. This meant that the villains had free reign to do whatever they wanted because gojo was gone. And as a result when back up is called into the barriers to deal with them. They get their shit rocked. With gojo gone, none of the sorcerers not special grade, are fodder against the disaster curses. Yuji got battered against choso, who would get high for a while so he was out of the picture until the end. With the curse users free, they proceed to summon toji of all people to kill the sorcerers but aren't lucky as toji takes over and kills who he finds strongest, most of whom are the disaster curses. Dagon then 3v1s the zenins until toji found him and committed battery against dagon. They survive to get cooked by Jogo, then suddenly sukuna is brought back and they burn the city to the ground. Mahoraga after being edged so long is summoned and gets caught against sukuna, where he eventually nuked. Then Mahito, as the bastard he is, kills people we care about suddenly, when there was more we could have gotten out of them, and kenny solos a squad to end it. When i put it like that, imo it shows how much chaos was caused in like 5 hours just because gojo was unavailable and how weak the cast is compared to the villains ' tl/dr: imo it shows how much chaos was caused in like 5 hours just because gojo was unavailable and how weak the cast is compared to the villains. So the too much action is warranted. Just sad Gege didn't expand too much on what happened in shibuya after the fact. That's my thoughts.
I think it has the perfect amount of action. to me the shibuya arc was just supposed to be pure chaos and it absolutely was, many deaths and a lot of destruction, it's called the shibuya incident for a reason so I think they did a great job especially since the staff had such a bad schedule they still managed to COOK 🗣🗣💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
Eh if you read the review it makes a bit of sense. The small amount of criticism was valid but not enough to lower it to a 6. What led to the score I guess is how the author mentioned Mappas work culture and that maybe influenced the score. Which honestly fair enough. If you look at other anime reviews they've made they usually give reasonable scores and all that. This one is obviously like a statement against Mappa work culture i think. Focusing a bit more on the "too much action" criticism. When I read the arc as it was coming out I had a similar sentiment. A lot of character didn't get a chance to do or get anything. There was a sacrifice for the amazing fights and fast pacing we got basically. Deaths felt a bit shallow after the shock wore off, for example. And it is a shame those deaths means no opportunities for said characters to do anything else. So some of the deaths feel like they actively hurt the series future potential. Maybe that wouldnt feel like that if said characters got more stuff before their deaths but they didn't. There are a lot of sensible and valid criticisms in the review. It's just that the 6/10 slaps you on the face if you don't think about the whole work culture thing and how some reviewers let that stuff affect their review. Tldr: I agree with their complaints but the 6 was too harsh.
Deaths are meant to feel shallow imo. "So much potential for the story to continue". This anime reflects real life in that no matter your potential, no matter how well of a person you could be your life could still be taken in seconds. I really like it, because it breaks the norm of protecting its main cast. Like Bleach, one of my favorite animes, really didn't have any real stakes until TYBW arc. In JJK battle is battle and you can never be 100% who will live or die.
@@frogoyes7611 Well that's just a matter of preference imo.. Firstly, lets take Nanami's death, throughout the season we see him struggling to keep up, saving his friends, facing much stronger opponents, having a mental breakdown, all of this madness results in a sorrowful conclusion when he fights his last battle in face of his shattered dreams of a peaceful life... this death does an excellent job in conveying the terrifying nature of this situation and the dark world of jjk, you can tell from his expressions that he does not want to be there and its sad to see him go that way.. his death was thematically justified. On the other hand, Nobara's death to me, felt completely unnecessary as she is killed by the same character (Mahito) acting as a plot device for yuji's 2nd breakdown after a cheap, sudden backstory.. it felt like the author had an idea to kill her out of nowhere and made a servicable backstory on the spot and killed a promising characters in an instant (Nanami death scene was well paced with great cinematography) And to me killing characters as shock value and claiming it as realistic feels like a cheap writing trope which gets uninteresting after 2-3 times (the manga continues to do this in further arcs) Its easy to kill off characters and sell their death as gtitty realism instead of actually constructing good character arcs and then killing for an even terrifying effect on the reader
I think the overall critism of deaths feeling shallow is justified. While theyre important for yuuji as a viewer we didnt nearly spent enough time with them to be sad. Sealing of Gojo made more of an impression on viewers because well, we explored his character in jjk0, season1 and in the first 5 episodes of the season2. His sealing made an impact on the story aswell as on the viewers. Deaths on this season achieved barely any of it. (you know what i mean if youre a manga reader. Outside of yuji their deaths isnt even mentioned nor important anymore) And i think that has something to do with Gege wanting to finish writing JJK. Anyways i think if there was one more arc before shibuya with nanami/nobara and the others it wouldve been better imo
Honestly I sorta kinda feel it. I've always thought that JJK really needs a tad bit more "filler", my friends say that i'm crazy for saying this but honestly JJK is the only anime I have ever seen that while on one hand I can say that I do enjoy the show, but on the other I can definitely say that I only care for like 2 or 3 characters in the entire show. The only death in season 2 that I actually cared about was Nanami. It really seems like they introduce a character, show them pop off in a fight or two, then kills them off before I ever get the chance to like them. Other than Nanami, Todo, and Maki I seriously do not see a single thing to like about any other character besides their abilities, like if Megumi were to die I would honestly be like "Damn, his powers were cool, but whatever"
Hidden Inventory Arc got an 8?! And Shibuya Arc got a 6... That sounds just a little bit to correct. Honestly...Impressed with IGN...or to be more correct I completely agree with the person that wrote the review.
@@azumag4432 I don't agree with some parts they said for Shibuya review (like made Yuji a worse character). But I agree with Hidden Inventory being a better arc from a writing standpoint.
@@Thezahza A piece from a show can be better than the rest of the show without being relevant at all. A very good example will be the "The Depressed Mage Arc"/"Sara's Arc" from Mushoku Tensei Season 2 Part 1...that...even with the skipped content was ten times better than the rest of the episodes of Season 2 Part 1 of Mushoku Tensei!
The Shibuya Arc is probably one of the most craciest things iv seen in Shounen Anime. It turned the whole Power Dynamic of the World upside down and kind of ends in catastrophe. I dont know how the Manga is going from there, but overall the feeling i got was "Funtime is over"
I do kinda feel the critique a tiny bit. I'm waiting till a friend is into rewatching it with me cause that's how I get my multiple views of a show in. Hoping to find more of the development I feel like I missed coming back to season 2 and waiting week-to-week. Fights were gr8 but rly need to take a step back to appreciate the development.
I have to agree with IGN on this one. The season was very entertaining but it seems like the author just hates expanding on the story. In great action series and films, the fights can be intense and hype even before they start, because of the buildup in the plot before them (one good example is HunterXHunter). Also great fights often represent the clashing ideals and philosophies of the characters fighting. If jjk s2 took some breaks to flesh out the world and characters the fights would have had greater impact. For example if Nobara's flashback didn't play right before her death, but got naturally inserted into the story instead I think her death would have hit a lot harder. A score of six means it's a good, above average show, that's why I find the score fitting. But it's no wonder IGN keeps giving unreasonably high scores to everything because the one time they dare to go against the crowd and give a show the criticism it deserves they get a huge backlash.
Well, I personally would rate season 2 a 7/10, because this season made me realize how little I care about the characters, 2 major characters died, and I felt close to nothing, I mean I was a little sad for some minutes in the episode, but it was quick, and I easily forgot about them.
It will do it even more the next arc. People actually start making bets on line about who will die next. I feel so bad for fans of this one character who was hyped up for months only to get one of the most messed up deaths.
@@galaxyvulture6649 WTF ? Damn, I guess I will just go with the flow, without caring too much about things. Like fights are nice but just if I care about the characters, if the author himself doesn't care, it is what it is, I will be watching season 3 mostly because of the good animation then (if the animation continues this good).
@@luccas-vh3pt in the next arc 0 important characters die, i don't know what this man is talking about tbh. it's the arc AFTER where important characters die
I'd give it a 7 out of 10 so not much higher. Sue me I guess? I don't think it's anywhere near to what the fandom hyped it up to be, but I don't think it's bad either. Anything lower than a 9 though is apparently sacrilege when it comes to popular battle series.
I had so much fun with this season, but I can 100% see your view. I mean what was fake getos plan? It made no sense lol. Also, I think after the phenomenal sukuna fight, they needed some breathing room to get into the end fights
@petritkola Can you read? "Geto" s plan was the evolution of humanity and curses into the next stage after his failure with the death paintings, so he devised a plan to remove the pillar keeping the jujutsu world balanced then proceeded to choose the players who will help him make it work.
What a lot of people don't realize is the Shibuya incident isn't supposed to be about story. It's the villain's plan coming to fruition. It's supposed to be all action, it's a war. The main take away from this arc is that the villains won. Gojo is sealed, many grade 1 and special grade sorcerers are now dead or out of commission. The story continues after the incident where the main characters have to deal with the aftermath.
No spoilers here but as a manga reader…there isn’t any story. Literally after this is the Culling Game arc introducing more characters for more fighting. It’s nonstop fighting, then talks about the next fight, then more fights 😂
@@RtsFps1 Yeah, I read the manga, and the story becomes about how the protagonists are going to unseal Gojo and the antagonists are using the Culling Games to further their plans.
How they reviewed this season is how a lot of people feel about the manga right now. There's A LOT of missed story and character opportunities coming up. It's to the point where there's no reason to get invested in any character other than Yuji and Sukuna. A lot of the people shitting on IGN now will be in the same boat by the end of S3.
I haven't caught up to the manga but I do know that certain characters like Kashimo and Yuki were wasted but I also know that Maki has ridiculous plot armour and should be dead.
@@thomasffrench3639 I won't spoil anything, but seeing as you're 30 chapters behind... you've already seen a good amount of the wasted story opportunities. So much brought up just to do nothing with it.
Spoiler warning I disagree, the problem I think starts with gojo, the shitty way of ending him just made further deaths feel even worse. And before anyone tries to say I'm just mad gojo died it was super obvious he was going to lose as he had to for the story to give yuji the opportunity to do anything. Gojo dying off screen the panel after his whole gojo won thing was horribly done leaving everyone with a bad taste in their mouth just to see kashimo die 2-3 chapters later also kinda off screen set everyone off it even more. If gojo's death hadn't been off screen and felt properly earned there wouldn't be near as much of an issue now. Even then the current manga complaints aren't even about too much action it's moreso about gege giving sukuna plot armor and the fact that he keeps off screening top tiers making it feel like the main cast has no chance without crazy plot armor. Tldr: gojo's death being poorly written is where the manga complaints start and the manga complaints aren't even the same as the ign reviewers so your whole thing about everyone saying the same thing doesn't make sense.
I think the score is pretty fair. Without the MAPPA animation carrying it, the arc feels super...unearned maybe. Most of the characters weren't built up yet to the point where I would care if they died, half of the cast I couldn't remember who or why they were there, stuff just happens without any buildup, 6 is a super fair score.
I actually agree with this take. While I thought the animation this season was absolutely phenomenal, there was simply just too much of it crammed within the relatively short span of episodes. I felt that we didn’t really get enough time to breathe and appreciate what we just watched before the next battle sequence hit us in the face.
Buddy that the point. The author intentionally design the arc to not give readers anytime to properly digest what is actually happening. Shibuya is practically a war zone and sorcerers don’t have time to mourn over death of their loved.
@@thexpatsgaming8609 not just that, after Shibuya, Gege Akutani writes everything like this. It’s fight after fight with only thin plot lines connecting them. Great fights for sure, but I do appreciate when there is a bit more narrative.
@@thexpatsgaming8609 this feels like season3, and not season2. the arc itself would have been fine. if there were another narrative/story/plot heavy present timeline arc were sandwiched between hidden inventory and shibuya arc, at least a fleshed out 12 episode arc if not a gigantic full season. thats simply just the truth and dont "it is war blah blah unforgiving world blah blah" i read and adore GRRM's books so i fkin love sudden unceremonious de@th of massively important characters, but shibuya aint it
JJK's lore and world building is at least far more consistent than Demon Slayer's. You can literally find tons of videos with hours of footage of people pointing out how bad Demon Slayer's writing is and how many plot holes there are
@@cursedstone7939it need to have something else to show besides fighting just like older anime did, if u wann say action alone then RoR is better than JJK
To be fair, i also didnt like season 2. Not because 'too much action'. Because there was no build up to any character. The death felt meaningful as i didnt care about any single of them. Action is great. But i felt it was without substance. For example, i dont know most of the side characters techniques to be excited. But when i do know, it's great, like the sukuna vs jogo fight. Ironically i liked hidden inventory better then shibuya.Overall, season 2 is better than season 1 but not as great as people make it out to be. But since season 1 was mid in my opinion, it is not much of a high bar.
Thats you though, a lot of people cared. Thats a personal thing. I loved nanami, he was stuck between two trash jobs just trying to make a living. he had potential to be a great. A lot of those deaths were not shock value. Their flaws were catching up with them.
@@confidential9692if you think u need 'high IQ' to understand jjk, then go to a doctor my guy 😅😅. Even If people have problems understanding jjk, I would say it's the lack of capability of the author to convey such concepts. There are way more complex stories and they have their way of making it understandable to the audience easily like steins gate, aot, monster,etc
They are right. I'm not a big fan of the series myself because it's like they thought the old shonen was too long and now they want to speedrun it with like 90% action instead of giving the story a decent length with proper balancing between actions and chill moments. The action itself also has very poor and convoluted power system. I see no correlation between the curse technique and curse energy at all. When Sukuna saw the potential in Megumi's power, I thought that there was gonna be some creative ways that his power can be used to fight against Gojo but instead it's just an op summon with bs abilities.
Bro it was good ,definitely a 8 for me .But ppl should also understand that fight scenes and animation are not only the basis of overall comparison.Character development, lore,plot are also the measure to find how good is an anime and besides Yuji all other characters were shallow to me.Besides it's story seems to be quite generic somewhat similar to Bleach and Character are somewhat similar to Naruto.... And there is no World building.
Problem with jjk is that it's at it's peak popularity wise(this is everywhere)so the show has currently many fanboys treating it like peak fiction when it isn't,when it ends people Will start talking more about the problems it has.
I completely disagree. Nanami, Gojo, Geto amd Yuji are all very fleshed out. If you dont think so, watch from start to finish again. If you still dont think so, idk what to say honestly. Also your *worldbuilding* complaint. I can completely understand that JJK needs wordbuilding, if it was a fantasy world with imaginary locations. But the whole shtick about JJKs world is that there are cursed spirits born from human negativity and the story is situated in 'Japan'! What, do you want paragraphs worth of dialogue about japanese culture, when it adds nothing to the story, for the sake of 'WORLD BUILDING'?! Sorry about the tone, but your second criticism was just dogsh*t.
@@oz9220 FIRST OF ALL THINKING YOUR OPINION AS BEST AND CALLING OTHER'S OPINION DOGSH*T SHOWS YOUR MATURITY . Besides my criticism is : First of all there is no character development besides Yuji in until s2.(I am not a manga reader) Animation aside (which is extra good), the characters are boring, bland and very generic & insufficiently characterized. The characters lack depth. Jjk’s strength is that its a ‘condensed’ shounen. It skips all the character and plot development and jumps right into the action scenes. I would rather watch series that are focused on characters rather than action, since action without any deep character is just a waste of pixels, because I won't give a shit about the action if I don't get to know anything about the characters, thats why I rather watch Naruto vs Zabuza a millions times instead of JJK . The fights of JJKare the best part and even though they’re very pretty they don’t have the same kind of interplay of powers and mind games that HxH or even Naturo did, which is disappointing since the power system seems very set up for that kind of stuff.
I mean I can kind of understand what they meant Fights only really have impact when you care a lot for the characters And jjk doesn't really have too many character focussed moments So it can just come across as fights for the sake of fights That said, I had fun with jjk s2 none the less
Tge fights in jjk r relevant because they show they show the shift in the jjk world. Jjks best aspect is the unexpected. Tge way the tone shifts from season 1 to season 2 is huge and for that to happen, the fights need to have more to do with the bigger picture than tge characters.
@@Blackmustache870 I get that, but the problem is that the series hardly cared about the world and most of it's characters up until this point ( Nanami, Geto and Gojo felt like the only characters that got any characterisation). The only thing it really cared about was it's power system If the point of this arc was just to ensure that the world knows about curses now, or for something else in the future, then cool
@@badpiggy4177 not caring about the world up to that point was another way of showing the unexpected. We're told mild lore about curses and jujutsu society and hidden inventory doesn't retcon anything, but expands it to show the importance of its world. Also another character people miss tgat get characterization is megumi. A lot of people don't realize this because it was such a cool action filled moment, but the moment megumi unlocked his domain, was character development for him in him learning the actual value and purpose of self sacrifice.
@@Blackmustache870yeah but if that is the case, plenty of people will lose interest which is fair, because a focal aspect of the show is with the action sequences and specific characters. If they want people to care about the world, well you gotta implement would building. Doing it in a different order isn't going to be very effective for a lot of viewers and readers, because to show a shift in a world, you need to build the world in the first place. Not saying it doesn't exist. They establish how certain things work in the world and society and all that, but it wasn't really flushed out and was definitely not a focal point of the narrative. Compare this to some other shows like say aot or hunter x hunter and it shows in my opinion more effective implementation of action and world building combined with tone shifts to great effect. Idk, I feel like most like the anime for the action and animation, with story elements and the world largely being secondary and borderline forgettable for plenty. Yes its an action anime, and yes there are certain moments many enjoyed, but we have definitely seen this done more effectively. Just my perspective
@@GodofGoblins I agree many series expands the world better than jjk, but I feel like a lot of people's problems of not caring about some things in jjk is just the viewers perception. I'm a manga reader so I don't blame anyone for missing these parts, but a lot of jjks other aspects r just overshadowed by its action because it's action is so good, not because other parts r lacking. For example, a lot of people don't consider megumi a well developed character and put him in the same tier as like nobara in terms of writing. But a lot of his characterization is shown in his domain expansion first time use and doesn't get forgotten about later in the story. He tells nanami he'll be risking his life, but not throwing it away, making megumis character arc consistent. Another part is kenjakus alias of kamo noritishi. Many people miss that the person shown that kenjaku took over was shown back in s1 when yuji and nobara fought the blood siblings. I personally think most of jjks "issues" regarding too much action r misunderstandings in tge story. Geve isn't the best at explaining but when the story is seen in a more clear way it easily becomes more than just an action series. What jjk did well tho was keeping ur attention even in scenes u didn't think would be important, something happens later that's almost mind blowing. Tojis precense in the arc was a clear example of this.
Considering that the reviewer gave a much higher score to hidden inventory arc and JJK0, I think he simply prefers there to be something more than just more action even if the action is top class. It is his opinion that everyone doesn't need to agree with. And it is not like fans would not watch part 2 of season 2 just because of an IGN review. Move on
in a way there right them killing off so many interesting characters who never did have a proper arc isn't good at all and in the next arc they introduce so many characters who are never going to have the time to develop or understand them more. the only character i can remember having a subplot end is mechamaru and maki's sister (i cant even remember there name)
What dipshit logic is that? The animators have a job, they choose to do it, it's not slavery, they did it fucking well, and so you give it lower score, because management was harsh? You don't help them by giving all that incredible but grueling work they did a lower score.
the score is way too low tbh. JJK has its stories and development within its fights. Only criticisms for this point in jjk is that there's a lack of character interactions. It's more like a 9/10
@@djaxeman2424 they rightfully criticised it for trying too hard to replicate iconic anime scenes. There were absolutely some horrible scenes in the live action where it felt like cosplay. You’re cherry picking
The plot is their protection is sealed. Shit hit the fan. The whole point of the series is action. Nobody is waiting on the romance, mystery, or thriller.
Brother how is it underwhelming? The whole point of the arc is a straight up war between sorcerers and curses which is what happens, its not going to be a yapping session, the whole arc has been hinted at since like ep 6 or 7 of season 1 like tf? Do you people even know what a WAR is at this point?
Plot wise it is very significant given how this changes the playing field as a whole. They were wrong. The only thing I agree is Vinland saga S2 being AOTY
@@jeffreyali3644 A significant change in plot doesn't equal a good plot. It is important how it is presented and executed. The problem with JJK is its content is 95 percent fighting, they simply don't care enough to provide the audience a compelling reason to care about the plot. Nobody cares how the story's conflict would get resolved. Do you care whether kenjaku succeed in merging humanity with tengen? I doubt that. People want to see cool curse techniques and domain expansion.
@@alfanscholz8663 agreed, and how it was presented and executed was done well with the buildup they had for season 1. It had a lot of action I’ll admit to that, but Shibuya general still has more to it than just fighting. Culling games is where things are pretty much only fighting and nothing else. it’s a war arc so it’s not really unexpected to have a lot of action and yet it still had some major character growth for Itadori among other things that gave a compelling reason to focus on the plot. And plenty of people care about how the conflict would get resolved. Just because you and the ign reviewer didn’t doesn’t mean everyone else won’t so don’t get ahead of yourself
It's not a bad review. The point about Yuji's character development is very valid. Yes, as Chibi said, there's some evidence of that, with Yuji telling Mahito that they're the same, but we get very little, we don't even really know how that will carry over to the next arc. Also, in all my years watching anime, this is the first time I've heard of the term 'unfinished' being used to describe episodes of a season. And yes, I know that the bigwigs in Mappa is at fault here, not the animators, but still, an unfinished production-wise anime episode airing is something unheard of. Even the animators admitted that some of the episodes were unfinished. Season 1 was so much more solid than Shibuya Arc.
@@beige_projection well that’s kinda of weird since that’s what the arc does it sets up the next arc mostly. to not put that in consideration just seems wrong.
If you’ve read the manga you already know that the shibuya incident is the catalyst for the entire rest of the series. This arc isn’t just a “one and done” thing where it’s just forgotten. It becomes the tipping point for the entire power scale flipping over
@@noot4041 so they're supposed to review the next arc too based on "what ifs and could haves" and also when it hasn't aired yet? How can they judge if the setup is good or bad if they haven't seen the next arc yet? Those who haven't read the manga do not know how much the deaths and destruction would affect Yuji and the whole story, it's only speculation up to this point and you're not supposed to write a review based on speculation.
The thing is that for me it's not that there is too much action, but it felt like there wasn't much substance to the story. The hyping up made it seem like the best arc ever made but it seems my definition of "best" is different.
@@ricky-chinaudio No MHA Sports Festival also doesn't fit my definition of "best" either. Anyways since this conversation will probably be continued on with a toxic reply, that is all you will be getting from me.
They aren't wrong in a way, although it doesn't bother as much given at some point battle animes are going to have stacked fights eventually if they build this "Vs archetype arcs". This is why season 1 handled the story better mainly because it was the introduction of the show and all the elements in it + more. Also I have to disagree with the popularity part of JJK, since season 1 was more popular than S2 because if it wasn't for S1 it wouldn't have had all these people who hyped it up with the manga readers. On Mal JJK S1 have almost 2.5 million members while S2 almost has 800k members even though its not been around for that long, still jjk s2 might get up to 1 - 1,5 mill over the years but not more than that. It requires people to watch through S1 and if they don't like that they wouldn't watch S2. Also the "villian got away" was mainly due to plot by retconning how the "Uzimaki" works in order to create the culling game (next arc), which is why it felt so cheap.
Season 2 is easily more popular than season 1 purely based off of comment count and like/dislike count on streaming sites between season 1 and 2. Google trends shows far more searches and interest now compared to 2021/2018. Including MAL makes no sense considering it's a third party review and rating site that a good portion of anime viewers do not use. Stating that Season 1 is more popular because you have to watch it to get to Season 2 is a non-argument. Season 1 had less discourse surrounding it (less videos, less comments, less memes) and Season 2 was prevalent both before, during, and after it's airing. Likewise, stating that the manga driving interest in Season 2 diminishes its popularity makes no sense. You can't have one without the other, the 2nd Season does not exist in a bubble.
Ignoring the click-bait title and under-rating of JJK, IGN is right. The only characters the author cares about developing is Yuji and Mahito in this arc and JJK did it very well, at the expense of all the ensemble characters. Nanami's death felt cheap to me since he was already "killed" by Jogo, only to be revived to go to the perfect spot to be killed by Mahito to traumatise Yuji. Geto was built up as the major antagonist with the Hidden inventory arc showing his motivation and rivalry with Gojo, only to be deleted and replaced with Kenjaku, some evil guy with an evil plot.
Matter a fact yujis new mindset is dog shit too and the newest chapter also contradicts his new mind set when sukuna said yuji has an unmoveble soul even tho shibuya arc proved that wrong
@@sonicwithglasses131 indomitable soul doesn't mean indomitable perspectives. Yuji was broken in Shibuya and came with a new understanding and reality of the world, which means even though his ideals were shattered, he has an indomitable soul.
I think that sounds really bad on paper.. but it’s kindaaaa true. There wasn’t enough buildup for a lot of it. Making things like Nobaru have next to no emotional weight. Some of the fights were kinda pointless, and I really do think removing them for a bit more anticipation and character exploration would have done the arc a large service
I feel like the lack of build up is what made the death’s actually impactful. I hate when they obviously set up a character to die, and I’m not surprised at all
They did fumble Nobara's death in the anime. That's the worst thing I an say. They made her look absolutely stupid and I don't know how the director thought the way they presented it somehow looked good.
All the fights were good to have, maybe except for the lotus. Everyone trying to hard to act like a director in these comments, just embarrassing yourself 😂
Unpopular opinon, but I agree for the most part except for the Yuji character development and the rating itself. I felt like there were too many too long fights in one season and reached a point when watching of just wanting to reach the next plot point. Overall I still did enjoy it a lot so, 8/10 but yeah a little tiring
I really liked JJK season 2 but there are some valid points. Fake getos plan past getting gojo made no sense lol (why didn't he do anything till the last episode where the thing he needed was mahito? Lol) Also nanamis death was SOLELY for yujis sadness to occur. Now in terms of action , it was phenomenal and there are some action films that serve most just for the action (this reminded me of mad max fury road and how it mainly told the story through the action). Overallt I really enjoyed it, but I agree not a lot of character growth and story
What SHOULD fake Geto been doing though? There’s really no need for him to put himself in any risk until mahito has ascended, and after that he automatically achieves his short term goal.
Fake Geto wanted Mahito's technique to evolve since once he eats a curse he can't develop its technique further. Nanamis death goes deeper than that, Nanami ran away from jujutsu because he knew he would eventually get killed like his partner and we see how he struggled with that and how he changed his mind just by a simple thank you. Nanami wanted to help people and was fine with dying and his time unfortunately ran out. Nanamis last words to Yuji give's him the strength to keep going. Sukuna himself said that when it comes to ideals Yuuji is his equal. And its because of everything that he went through in Shibuya that made him realize who he really is and what he believes in
First of all Kenjaku (fake geto) literally explained it that he needed mahito to evolve so he can use idle transfiguration 2nd of all Nanami could have just died by jogo tbh making him live up just to die by mahito was unnecesary
Honestly I agree with the review. I found the Shibuya Incident pretty disappointing with how shallow it was, action for actions sake and very little more. Action should serve the story, and a lot of the action didn’t in that arc. And I think the part of the review talking about the discarding and disrespect of the ensemble is more about how Maki and her grandfather got cooked by Jogo in the blink of an eye, never to be heard from again, and how Inumaki lost his arms off screen.
2 things, some things are elaborated on in the manga as it continues, so you can't really criticize the anime on that basis, next the story is literally intertwined with its fights, have you not seen Yuji vs Mahito and the entirety of Geto and Gojo vs Toji? They both are examples of fights with massive development and some narrative importance, hell Sukuna's rampage is literally the most important story altering event in the series even now, to say the fights weren't important to the plot is missing the whole point
What fight didn't contribute to the story? The only one I can kinda think of is like yuji vs the grasshopper? And even then they had to show some of them fighting the hordes of curses strewn throughout Shibuya as that's kinda a major plot point of the Shibuya arc. I think the complaints about the action just being there for actions sake is people who watch with their eyes closed ordon't watch shonen/anime in general just jumping on the hype train cause majority of the action is there for a reason. Were they meant to just converse with the cursed spirits that were mass murdering civilians? Were gojo and geto just supposed to converse with toji while he tries to assassinate riko?
JJK is good, but honestly overrated. I fell asleep multiple times watching it, which I have to think means something. I'm still going to keep watching it, it's not bad at all, but not a 9/10 for me like it seems to be for some. 7/10 as a series overall. I can't give it 6 tho, that's too low.
They’re right though; honestly, this article makes me feel seen, these are my exact complaints. In Season 2, episodes 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, and 22 all contain 15+ minutes of fight scene. Almost all of those contain practically no dialogue and could have conveyed the same information in a third of the runtime.
@@richieene1042thank you!!!! Talk? Sukuna would literally be laughing at this comment section. We talked in season one. We talked in first half of season 2, its time to box. These people killed their allies, what am i chatting for.
@@richieene1042 The author is the one that made choices in the arc, the story didn't write itself. If there was too much action, it's not because "well that's how the arc is", it's because Gege made the choice to do that. If something doesn't work well, you change it, not say "well that's how it is". I personally liked the season, definitely more than 6/10 and particularily some parts of it a ton but I was losing interest once the Mahito fights started. Instead of getting a build up, fight and so on, you kinda just got fight, fight, which is problematic because the build up is what makes fights meaningful and more than mindless action. It's like seeing character deaths, you don't care if you're not invested in the character
he is kinda spittin tho, they intentionally had nanami die and nobara die to make yuuji suffer, nobara was only removed from the story because gege realized her technique could damage sukuna via his fingers and her technique
I mean not necessarily, Nobara isn't confirmed dead and let's be real Nanami was not gonna make it out of there after getting hit by Jogo. The fact Maki lived is surprising by itself.
Denji touches a titty, has a character development moment and then forgets about it completely for the rest of the story, going straight back to being a thirsty simp. lesbians getting double 2-page spreads for special treatment, killed off and then brought back for no reason. Big bad gets beaten and then comes back as a pet baby so she can stick around. What consequences?
@@frustratedsquirrel There are only 2 people (not including Makima/Nayuta) who make it out alive. Calling Denji a thirsty simp is very ignorant. Also don’t really get what’s wrong with the lesbian spread scenes, they were hot.
Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 is not good. The art is fine, but I dont want to see endless mindless fight scenes with no weight to them. The Hidden weapon arc was great, but the Shibuya incident arc was an absolute mess. The deaths were definitely shock value and they didnt really build up many of those characters enough.
@@Juryoku113 Meanwhile here I am thinking the Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 enjoyers turned their brain off like a baby and watched. JJK S2 lacks weight and drama.
JJK has great action but it’s one of the animes which would benefit from filler content. None of the characters feel fleshed out. They all fill the archetype of “cool guy/chick with cool cursed technique” or they’re just weak side characters no one cares about (mai, miwa, etc) Moments which showed their personality outside of combat are needed to make us care about them and these moments are so scarce. Nanami’s and Nobara’s deaths felt sad but the only feeling I had was “dang they were cool” and not something on an emotional level. It’s not the matter of the story being short - we just didn’t interact with them enough outside of seeing them during combat
@@ricksanchez6766 choose any character and name at least 5 scenes which don’t revolve around combat which flesh out their character in meaningful ways There are only a handful of such characters such as Gojo and the only reason he feels fleshed out is because he actually has these kind of scenes. Most of the rest of the cast barely has any scenes like that
@@gabik240200 I mean the author style is more of centering the story mostly around the actual arc and do in fact is kinda well known for "skipping" the usual intro before the story actually goes into the main plot. It is its brand of writing so having it change how it writes to expand character what makes its writing unique to other battle shonens. I see it as a stylistic choice which boils down to people's personal taste or opinion whether they like it or not.
@@gabik240200 what the are these conditions lol? Does development that involve combat not count as development for you? I didn’t realise there was a minimum requirement for development without any fights 😭 Nice modifying of your point to try prove your original one, but development is development I’m afraid.
@@ricksanchez6766 you’re coping hard I can easily mention such moments but they’re very few and very condensed. A great example is JKK0 and the hidden inventory arc in season 2. Both have a plot but they showcase the characters as a priority. In JJK0 we got info about all the students in JJ High, they each had their moment to shine and we saw how they were humanized - Maki’s background, the way Inumaki goes into great effort to not harm others. We saw how Gojo was depicted as an idiot teacher from the very get go but he always stood up for his students. There are plenty of moments like that in the movie - anyone could watch it as a standalone movie without knowing anything about JJK and both connect with the characters and also enjoy the action. That was actually my first introduction to the anime Season 1 had very few moments like that. Gojo had a lot of scenes which showed his personality and made us care about him but other key players had VERY few scenes. If I have to recall scenes for Nobara all I can remember are 1) Nobara and Yuji trying to cockblock megumi 2) Nobara talking to Yuji’s old classmate 3) Nobara’s childhood (which was revealed right as she died so it’s a very cheap and somewhat ineffective way to try and garner sympathy at least imo) Yes she had cool banter during fights and her CT was very flashy and cool but as a person - she wasn’t any different than almost the rest of the cast Nanami suffered the same issue. His fight scenes and stuff like the way he interrogated the blonde haired dude were very well done but the scene which stuck the most with me is how he helped the woman at the bakery. Those are the most important scenes - showing why you should care about this person outside their CT and their feats. Show their humanity. I feel like the disaster curses had more character building scenes than most of the main human cast.
Although they have garbage opinions and no credibility. Does not mate this untrue. I want a casual viewer to explain to me what happened in season 2 plot wise. I enjoy the series and I legitimately cannot tell you anything coherent about that entire season, other than the fights that happened.
"Villains plan an intricate terrorist attack in the Shibuya district with the goal of sealing Gojo. The Jujutsu Sorcerers on standby fight to reclaim Gojo before all of Japan is engulfed from the negative consequences of this terrorist attack." That's the plot. Took me a minute to type this out.
Yeah idk. It's a fine show, I do enjoy it quite a bit, but I enjoy it mainly for the music and action choreography. Everything else is...fine? I didn't really feel anything when anyone died. Like they tried to tug at my heart strings, but it just didn't land. Kinda like how they tried that with akame ga kill which is a big inspiration of the show. Plenty of death, didn't really care all that much. Even when certain plot revelations was revealed I was for the most part just like...OK sure. So when is the next fight scene? I borderline forget characters names sometimes since there are so many. It's not like say full metal where I'm on edge of my seat when certain moments happen, or hell even demon slayer. I don't fully disagree with the overall sentiment in the review. Number scores I never care about, people always have different opinions on that. But yeah, I probably gravitated to the action moments a lot since everything else just wasn't all that amazing. Like sure it was kinda sad when volcano dude blitzes those 3 characters really fast, but I was just thinking "oh ok...blonde dude was cool, that's a shame. I thought they were gonna do more with that girl too, and old man was dope. ...welp, ggs.) I saw reactors omega shocked and crying and i...just...didn't get it. Still a fun show though, great animation too. But it is what it is.
I think people judging JJK for those specific reasons are valid. I do think the metrics for reviewing content are too strict sometimes. When i judge something, i tend to judge it for what I'm expecting out of it. Id rate both Oppenheimer and John Wick 4 a 9 out of 10 but for completely different reasons. Sometimes, i want deep and reflecting stories, and other times i want adrenaline filled excitement. They are very different, but im glad for that. Deep stories are amazing, but just like i wouldn't want to eat pizza every single day for the rest of my life, i also wouldn't want every single anime to have the level of story telling like lets say a Vinland Saga. One punch man is perfectly fine as well lol and that variation is what makes these things stand out in their own ways
I mean they are not wrong about having too much action but it's a good thing for what JJK is Personally I'm not too fan of it for that reason but I wouldn't rate it 6/10 maybe like 8/10 It's good at what it does but I want more story imo
Gege is burnt out. I feel like the best setup for manga authors is to have one person write the story and another make most of the art, then have assistants do backward art and such.
I agree with the criticism that Shibuya had too much fighting and deaths that had little weight because the characters weren't built up properly beforehand. Nanami's death was the only one that really hit me. I didn't care for Mechamaru's death in the moment, but he was at least built up more after his death. Everyone else's felt so shallow. Compare this to Hidden Inventory where Riko was seen doing normal high school girl things and having fun with Gojo and Geto so her death hit like a truck. Hidden Inventory to me is easily the best arc in JJK and an easy 10/10. Shibuya is a 7/10 that's carried by a banger opening and Nanami.
you just have no media literacy. Fights can be narrative too. any "breather moemnt" would've ruined this arc and its sense of escalation. @@sonicwithglasses131
Ign, anime corner and anime trending are better than crunchyroll in my opinion, they prefer storytelling, direction, elevated source material, Osts over artsyle and animation 😂😂
I mean, they're 100% right tho, the fights in JJK are some of the best in history but at the cost of some needed time with the characters and in the Culling Games, that gets worse
@@thexpatsgaming8609there's no cap, a lot of us would like good storytelling accompany with great action too. If you are a manga reader a lot of them would agree that's basically where the story is at rn, and shibuya arc is basically what jump started it, lot of good action but the story and character development has been left with a lot to be desired, what a shame.
In some way I agree. I dont really care for the characters in this anime like i do for characters in other shounen. you barely get to know the characters. I'll give it a 7 out of 10. Fight scenes are amazing though.
I can see a point to the critique as JJK season 2 was a lot of set up into nonstop fight scenes with no breaks inbetween. I can see some people getting fatigued due to all the action taking place with out some moments of levity to calm things down. Granted the shibuya arc was a big turning point for the series so I don't think they should've done the season differently, but I can understand the perspective.
@@Thezahza Huh? I literally said they shouldn't have done anything differently. Just that I can understand why someone wouldn't have like constant action.
The animation is icing, the cake is fucking delicious on it's own even without it. The backstories are great and had me in tears several times during the season..
jokes aside, there's actually a point of having "too much action" can be bad for the show in general. Not so much to the seasons that just aired, but for the future of Mappa animated anime having a drop in quality. We've already seen some animators publicly stating that they don't want to work for mappa anymore cause of the working conditions, and there's an argument that some aspect of that has to do with animating "too many high quality action scenes". I do love a good quality anime, but not to the point that its detrimental to the animators' health.
I mean it is true. I love JJK but it never stops to build on character progression. It's literally just a non stop death battle which you either love or hate but it comes at the cost of any deep or meaningful story telling.
That's what makes it great though lol I'll never forget how many people hated Naruto and its flashbacks to build characters during some of the large scale battles. When it comes to JJK, everything is moving fast, and it feels intense because you don't have time to mourn or wallow in self pity. The curses are still causing destruction, and for the sake of those who died you need to move forward. It made the battle in shibuya feel so much more threatening because you know these characters want to break down after losing loved ones, but they can't afford to until the battle is done
@@Insaniac969 The flashbacks in Naruto were only in the anime and it made it unwatchable imo. The manga is way better because it doesn't have that. Flashbacks were literally just added as filler to make the episode longer to skimp on the animation but it really could've been that perfect balance.
@@Insaniac969 the thing is is that only works for so long, people can only watch so many characters die with semi decent to little payoff before it stops being interesting, no one had an issue with Shibuya in the Manga, but now revisiting it along with keeping up with the manga its more apparent how lackluster some of the characters were, and this trend continues even to the recent chapters of the Manga, believe it or not but cardboard characters along with a constantly rushing story can hurt people's outlook on a series.
@arch1eviathan216 I figured that was the case. I never read naruto, I was only ever an anime only from start to finish and those flashbacks would get increasingly frustrating
Lets be honest it s not that farfetch. I wouldnt rate it 6 personally like more of 7.5-8 but it's true that this season was too much action animation packed that was not even on its best quality as the animators themselves told us that even some episodes were delivered unfinished especially towards the second part. A lot of people are also manga readers where there is a lot of explanation on what is going on that was not present in this season. Not complaining about something that was not apparent in the anime but you already know it from the main source is very biased. I also believe that the majority of people dont even care about quality writing as flashy animations and fights are generally more popular and get to your small attention span more effectively (especially nowadays) so it hurts those who are easily satisfied only with those aspects and see a 6 rating on their beloved anime. Overall we cant forget that this season was literally worked at the same time it was airing while having so much responsibility to deliver it in a very good quality as it is one of the most popular animes right now and obviously it ended rushed.
The funny part is that 6/10 all fighting no characterization completely does describe the entire manga after Shibuya. It’s honestly not a great manga after Shibuya.
If you think this is bad you should look at ANN's weekly reviews (this one actually brings up some points I agree with). Though I think the score should have been about an 8 based solely on what it said (the 6 was probably rage bait). But yeah forum anime watchers and reviewers are some of the most annoyingly pretentious people (you'll get a aneurysm reading through the comments on ANN). The main knock I'll give to the arc is just when it happens. This is the kinda arc that (I feel) should happen at a later point in the story so you actually care more about the characters (since I don't think any of the deaths elicited more than an "oof that sucks", when they happened).
@@CaliMex96 Not being able to understand means, you binged it and didn't rewatch S1 before watching S2. Its a lack of effort put in understanding the show, nothing to do with the story. The story is complex and that's why you need to rewatch it to catch important details you missed earlier.
Ign is actually right for saying that tbh. It’s just that nowadays people love flash more than complex storytelling and character development. Just watch something like true detective or march comes in like a lion or AOT, you will instantly find the difference in quality if you’re not an idiot. A story is dependent on dialogue and story and safe to say that JJK’s story sucks ass.
@@regisshiv3542 anyone can love anything, i don’t find it inherently stupid to do that. What i do find less appealing is not realising the difference in quality of said piece of entertainment. I love eromanga sensei because its entertaining, but I sure do not think it’s objectively a good show.
You guys are fucking tweaking. A 6/10 is absolutely absolutely absolutely, and I'll say it again absolutely valid. The only arc I really enjoyed was the Hidden Inventory Arc.
I kinda agree but I dont care much for action so I have bias however, I think Yuji is a great MC its just that I didnt care enough about the side characters deaths but at least their deaths make Yuji get more development which is great
I felt for Nanami's death, Todo's sacrifice, Toji's suicide and even Jogo's end convo with Sukuna. Only person i was like "Well ok" was Nobara's death. It was well executed, but we needed more time with her and the trio. Gege is rlly weird because he can write amazing character interactions and dynamics but that's arguably what JJK lacks. Its ever present when it actually happens or even in battles but I think jjk would truly be a 10/10 with more interactions.
Sealing Gojo, Killing Nanami, Nobara getting out of the picture...all of these just so people don't forget who the MC is and for him to get some "development". Yikes 😬 After 50 episodes we are just told that the MC has a very important/powerful father and from the episode 1 he was just the husk of Sukuna. Yuji is not the main character...he isn't even a character!
Tbh i don't really care for IGN reviews and loved season 2 for the action sequences and can't wait for season 3 but hope that Mappa gives their animators a break
Shouldnt care about any of their reviews they are inconsistent, have no clue wtf they are talking about and are too scared to give a game a score less than 7, like seriously even shit like days gone gets 5+ points
So many people are afraid to see their favorite shows get low review scores that they immediately try to discredit the reviewer so they can continue to live in their echo chambers. If anything, IGN is often too nice with their review scores. To the point that people get up in arms about a 6/10 like it's a 3/10.
IGN reviewers are usually on crack but this time, in a way they're not entirely wrong. While I will defend the structure of the Shibuya Incident because its supposed to be a chaotic mess, after the arc the story hardly ever takes a moment to pause and allow much downtime. The ball essentially just keeps rolling without ever stopping which is not a good thing but in a story its necessary to have a balance of elements within and out of battle. As a result it became more difficult to care for the majority of the characters and the deaths would have way less impact. Chainsaw Man is similar in terms of stakes but does a way better job with its characters and story structure. I love JJK and accept its flaws so its not as though I am trashing it, but that's an undeniable fact and lots of y'all getting angry at IGN will end up agreeing with them upon going through the Culling Game.
Yeah, that happens AFTER this arc, but this arc alone was done really well and still had character moments to boot. Look at how Itadori was developed and how the deaths of Nanami or Nobara affected so much. And this is one of the few war arcs where the villains pretty much won. For IGN to give this a 6/10 especially when they give MHA a 9/10 is pretty bogus.
The thing is its supposed to keep on going as right after everything is said and done kenjaku kick starts the culling game which increases the chaos even more the man blocks whole sections of japan unleash millions of curse spirits and bassicly reincarnate battle hungry shamens and give power to civilians and where it doesn't show or say there are moments where things slow down and people get rest time to come up with plans to add to this the entrie arc happen in 1 night
@fork-man The whole "it's supposed to be this way" type of reasoning only works for material that happens after the story took its time building its foundation. It did that before Shibuya but not before the Culling Game. Chainsaw Man demonstrated a similar structure but did it better precisely because it took a breather before hell freezes over again.
I actually agree with igns verdict. If you’re looking for an action anime go no further. I like jjk, but overall? I def wouldn’t give it a 10/10 like AOT
I mean they're not wrong. JJK is the most overrated series. There's no message, there's no unique aspect of the show that sets it apart from other shows, there's no original story. It just has decent art and fight scenes. Other than that, it's a copy paste shonen
i agree, i really was not able to care for none of the characters, even the ones i like the most like Nanami and Nobara. It just did not land, they felt like obstacles to the action.
You agree? Too much action?
for sure. I was expecting a 4 koma yuri slice of life. what is this madness?
@@professorpenne9962I guess Fairy Tail is automatically good because it has good action.
I agree with them
I think that they just hate it because its too popular and its a type of series the reviewer doesnt watch.
@@MiseRaen 6/10 doesn’t sound like they hate it.
Let's not forget that IGN also said that the One Piece live action had too much original source material 😂
they said also that the flash was too fast😂
Are these people okay 😂
Their only good review last year was the 7/10 for Starfield because everyone else was giving Starfield a 8 or 9 out of 10 even though it was mediocre at best.
Remember...
Their the same company that seems to get a lot of information wrong about games
That seems like a valid criticism tho. Some of the live action changes were just stupid.
Giving it a low score like that is the only way anyone will talk about IGN. No one goes to IGN for news, reviews or walkthroughs anymore.
Yeah I feel like it has to be a bid for attention
@@Vi_Vi_1i agree with it jjk is overrated
@@Vi_Vi_1 Give it an 8 or 9, everyone just goes yeah ok. and moves on, give it a 10 people will question it but wont give them too much crap for it, people will forget about that in a day, but give it a 5 or 6, people are going to remember that.
@@glenroyhodge5892 personally i think shibuya is the only arc that stands out
Gamefacts was always better.
“Hey bro, what did you think about that romance anime?”
“Six out of ten, too much romance”
Like what 😭😭
"How'd you feel about that comedy anime"
"6/10, too much humor"
There can be to much and if you can't understand that you're likely that fat kid that thought there can't be enough chocolate cake turned into an adult.
JJK is like a romance made up only of cute, fluffy moments between two flat and uninteresting characters. The problem isn’t that there’s too much action in JJK, the problem is the action is the whole show, it’s the ONLY thing, with nothing else giving those fights meaning. Even shounen needs things besides action, and JJK fails hard.
@@AraumC tell me you've never watched JJK without telling me you've neve watched JJK. This arc was the climax of the buildup of season 1, JJK 0 and Hidden Inventory, it's not "just action". Also the stuff with Toji and Megumi, Sukuna and Jogo, and Yuji and Mahito is literal character development mid fight lmao, this is such a clown take.
@@AraumC what's next, Marineford is bad because it's just action?
IGN never fails to disappoint us.
That's not entirely accurate, since most people lost their respect for IGN a long time ago.
I'm going to be honest, 6-7 seems like a fair rate to me for something that precisely focuses only on fights and explaining skills. I like jujutsu kaisen but people put it way above things they did more
They have to keep disappointing us, I only remember ign exists when they pull some dumb shit like this
@@Bankaiichigo363 being simple doesnt mean you cant get more than a 6
@@1chibanKasuga
Totally, FMAB is a good example, it has an amazing power system, clever stratagems, well done characters and subplots and it's totally simple and easy to understand.
They just don't understand character development in JJK. It's a simple principle:
Suffering builds character--> Suffering build character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character--> Suffering builds character, etc.
I think you forgot that suffering builds character
But yuji has no character development in upcoming season they wasted this arc
@@kams5345 I hope by character development you're not talking about stupid power ups like most shounen anime
@@kams5345Yuji had the most character development out of all I think. He was literally wanted to be killed at one point and gave up any will to fight.
Tbf I would say Yuji is the only character that received any major development this arc (even then you won't really see it until the next arc), most of the cast get next to nothing in terms of significant character development/ moments (Aside from Choso maybe).
People complain that jjk only characterizes the cast through fights, and I do think that can work though I think an issue with jjk is that it rarely decides to slow down and develop characters through other means and as a result it forgos a lot of potential character moments/ interactions that would further flesh out characters.
People who say that JJK S2 is almost non-stop action are technically right BUT what these people have to understand is that the Shibuya arc in its entirety is a complete pay off arc. Everything that happened from the beginning of the series until the end of the Hidden Inventory arc was building up for the events that would happen in Shibuya. A lot of shounen arcs have both the build up and the pay off all in the same arc but in JJK its been split up into multiple arcs.
Imo I don’t think it deserves it, it has one season and a bit worth of content and already does its version of a shonen ‘war arc’. Which is followed by another ‘war arc’. I and many people who take issue with the arc is because we feel we didn’t really spend enough time with many of these characters to really feel the impact of let’s say Nobara and Nanami’s deaths. Even Mahito, most of what we get from him in the whole series is this same arc….where he also dies.
I don’t think it’s terrible by any means, but it doesn’t seem like many fans of it really wanna engage with how others take issue with how quick a pay off arc happens when the arcs before it seemed to primarily just establish the world and be a side quest rather than a true build up to a large scale conflict.
@@jo0rd73 The Shibuya arc isn't technically a "war arc" as it's still much smaller in scale than a war would be. That's why it's called the "Shibuya incident" but I get what you mean. I can imagine that it bugs some people that a few characters already died without really fulfilling their full potential (that's gonna be much worse later on by the way) but I think the Shibuya incident in general was perfectly foreshadowed... Hell, it wasn't even foreshadowed, it was straight up told to us by the villains that on October 31st, they would go ahead and seal Gojo... and they actually did just that.
@@wolfbrigade8042 I have read the manga so yeah I understand how it kinda gets worse in terms of character deaths happening just cause…..Honestly what was very weird to me is that I loved the arc when I binged in the manga, I think waiting weekly may have made it suffer? Because you’re waiting a week just for another fight for the most part and I felt like a lot of the impact was lost due to this. I feel like it’s a really great idea in theory but I think it could have done with more character focused moments either beforehand or during the arc.
I don’t know….there was some of it I really liked upon experiencing it again in anime form but other parts just had me like “damn I think an arc like this may have happened too quickly”. I think if it happened a bit later on and served as an end of act 1/start of act 2 kind of a deal it would be more effective in the long run too. However knowing that this is like a halfway point ish of the series followed by an arc that has a different premise but similar narratively followed by an arc which is gonna apparently serve as the end of the series is just kind of underwhelming to me.
Especially knowing how frequently the writing shits the bed in the following arcs, honestly post Shibuya all I really care for is the Maki shit despite it being one of the most controversial parts of what’s to come lol I just felt like that at least had emotional weight alongside the crazy fighting and character moments.
@@jo0rd73bro go write a book instead of crying on the internet. I ain't readin allat.
@@jo0rd73Manga series in general seem to be going much faster these days. Compared to One Piece, and Naruto, which had hundreds of chapters worth of build up, before their big bombastic conflicts, JJK has to speed its way into the conflict, to keep audiences interested.
Bringing up the animators issues is kind of unfair because tons of people watch it at different times and are unaware of the issues at Mappa unless told.
I think it's fine to bring it up as long as they separate the art from the artist. I haven't seen any of JJK, shonen just isn't for me, but if the issues are noted and don't influence the score of the actual show, then it's fine.
@@BanefulOtter I see your point, but unless you are a super fan or chronically online you wouldn’t understand why that is a point for the score. You would probably guess it by some of the episodes tho. I do understand people not liking Shōnen but I also don’t. I think things should be graded as the series is which is a battle Shonen. I’m just glad shibuya was adapted greatly despite the issues.
@@R89iv I'm glad the hear that the adaptation was good! I just think it's okay to note the human toll on something then move on. Most people won't care, but there's no harm in saying "people worked really hard on this, sometimes for an unbelievable amount of hours a week" then moving on with the review. As I said, as long as it doesn't influence review scores.
I think it's fair to bring up because I had strong suspicions that something was going on since way before anything even came out on Twitter and it did diminish my overall enjoyment quite a bit.
I still think the work the animators did is incredible but at the same time I think it bleeds through quite easily when a work like this was rushed.
The problem though is that it does translate on-screen. Many of the episodes look ROUGH. Really, really rough. The entire Sukuna fight with the apex shikigami was just a crapload of scribbles and polygons without any attention to detail whatsoever, and a lot of the characters have barely any shading during the talking scenes. There's a massive dip in quality in many of the episodes so it's not surprising that such issues might come to light.
No death that I can think of was purely just to be shock value. Nanami as a character was fleshed out and was put in the very situation that made him run from being a jujutsu sorcerer. Nobara was a parallel to Haibara and her death was very important for Yuji’s character especially in tandem with Nanami’s death. Nobara’s death made Yuji have to choose which path he’s going to take. He could be like Nanami and run like Yuji was going to do prior to Todo’s speech, shift his ideals like Geto, or continue on the tough path like Gojo. Nanami and Todo pushed him in the direction he is on by the end. You couldn’t tell that story without those two deaths to the same degree. I’m sure from the start Gege wrote Nobara and Nanami as the two who will be the catalyst for Yuji to hit rock bottom and have a new starting point. Nobara’s character was written with a busted ability, but a lackluster long term goal. She felt set up to be a major loss. I’m anime only so I could be wrong, but the female character that has the strong ability and more interesting long term goal was always Maki. She’s really interesting and has ties to not only Yuta and Megumi, but also the Zenin clan. People are upset and don’t like the death of Nobara, but that’s exactly how you should feel when a person dies at a young age with potential. It sucks that Nanami dies when he’s one of the people who least deserved the death they gotten.
IGN has been a failure since the start with reviews on media and haven’t been relevant with game reviews for over a decade. They’re only known for the Pokémon meme and snow they got their anime equivalent
every action that happens in this season has a effect in the story later on now if that is not good writing then idk what is
Yeah exactly, people say nobara was a shock value kill but I disagree, she was told not stray from the group and did and while knowing that yuji and nanami didn’t win against mahito still tried to 1 v 1. She got to cocky and it killed her, I could say the same about yuji but he has soul manipulation plot armor. It’s kill or be killed and people though this was a slice of life. 💀
People want death but then don't want it even though they ask for it purely for the shock value.
Clowns.
ugh but I still really think Nobara was for shock value. Yes, it wasn't TOTALLY for nothing, but it was no worth the vast amount of potential her character had. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to reduce her to character development for Yuji because she was a greatly developed character in JJK. For me, Nanami death - it sounds horrible, but it was great for the stakes and for what the story was trying to do.
Nobara's death didn't compound the effect that Nanami's death had for me - if anything it took away from it. I'm not a film critic or anything like that so I don't have the terminology but it just felt lackluster for her character.
@@bug688 I didn't mind, because in my head Nobara already had completed her character arc. She didn't have any real goals in life, except to live life in the big city and find people who could take the few seats of her life, and both were accomplished. I feel that if Nobara lived, she wouldn't really have anywhere to GO in the story besides just get stronger and die way later. There was no overarching goal, ideal, or even school of thought (Geto, Gojo, Nanami, Yuji etc are all incredibly headfast and determined in their way of thought and decisionmaking, which intrinsically ties into their ''big goals'')
This arc had a huge affect on the characters personalities moving forward.
Eeeeeh too much character personality
I don't care on IGN reviews I just enjoy the anime that I watch
Ign is obviously irrelevant now nobody cares about ign reviews
As of this date
@@NStarks007no i agree with this that scor
If nobody cared about their reviews then this video itself wouldn’t exist…….
This is one their rare W takes, though.
@tjrose9830 nah people cared about jjk
Classic IGN. You have to believe, there was an actual conference room meeting where they decided , "Yes, let's be edgy and try to be different from others by diminishing the content of hardworking animators. Yes. that will truly uplift our platform"
A negative review is feedback, not an insult, tf are you on about
@@pougetguillaume4632People legit look at reviews to seek validations I believe. It's pretty weird tbh.
@@pougetguillaume4632
I feel like you missed the character progression in Shibuya just being honest. Shibuya is the pay-off to all the build up prior to this point. One example off the top of my head is Yuji. You had season 1 establishing Yuji as “special” and giving him a purpose to keep on living and fighting till he has to be executed. Then comes Shibuya, where we find out he’s related to Choso (a curse), and that’s why he can handle Sakuna’s fingers. He also has his motivations changed because of Nanami’s death. (Another character progression moment because Nanami relying on Yuji and acknowledging him is something he didn’t want to do in Season 1)
@@pougetguillaume4632 To each their own. I respect your opinion. However if you also had a platform like IGN and decided to give it a 6 when it truly is 8+ , from the plot - art - ending - hype, I would also be bashing you as well.
IGN dun did it again, they deserve my insult.
@@pougetguillaume4632 man shut up and read.
For me, the too much action makes sense for what i think the shibuya incident is about. Jujutsu society is informed of something bad happening on shibuya night of 0ct.31 and obviously because of who's at play, this is a big event which calls for many sorcerers to join in. Initially it was just going to be Gojo dealing with everything but it went to shit and he was sealed. This meant that the villains had free reign to do whatever they wanted because gojo was gone. And as a result when back up is called into the barriers to deal with them. They get their shit rocked.
With gojo gone, none of the sorcerers not special grade, are fodder against the disaster curses. Yuji got battered against choso, who would get high for a while so he was out of the picture until the end. With the curse users free, they proceed to summon toji of all people to kill the sorcerers but aren't lucky as toji takes over and kills who he finds strongest, most of whom are the disaster curses. Dagon then 3v1s the zenins until toji found him and committed battery against dagon. They survive to get cooked by Jogo, then suddenly sukuna is brought back and they burn the city to the ground. Mahoraga after being edged so long is summoned and gets caught against sukuna, where he eventually nuked. Then Mahito, as the bastard he is, kills people we care about suddenly, when there was more we could have gotten out of them, and kenny solos a squad to end it.
When i put it like that, imo it shows how much chaos was caused in like 5 hours just because gojo was unavailable and how weak the cast is compared to the villains '
tl/dr: imo it shows how much chaos was caused in like 5 hours just because gojo was unavailable and how weak the cast is compared to the villains. So the too much action is warranted. Just sad Gege didn't expand too much on what happened in shibuya after the fact. That's my thoughts.
I think it has the perfect amount of action. to me the shibuya arc was just supposed to be pure chaos and it absolutely was, many deaths and a lot of destruction, it's called the shibuya incident for a reason so I think they did a great job especially since the staff had such a bad schedule they still managed to COOK 🗣🗣💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@gigaacademia9313 Yea, Mahito literally described it as a war.
Eh if you read the review it makes a bit of sense. The small amount of criticism was valid but not enough to lower it to a 6. What led to the score I guess is how the author mentioned Mappas work culture and that maybe influenced the score. Which honestly fair enough.
If you look at other anime reviews they've made they usually give reasonable scores and all that. This one is obviously like a statement against Mappa work culture i think.
Focusing a bit more on the "too much action" criticism. When I read the arc as it was coming out I had a similar sentiment. A lot of character didn't get a chance to do or get anything. There was a sacrifice for the amazing fights and fast pacing we got basically. Deaths felt a bit shallow after the shock wore off, for example. And it is a shame those deaths means no opportunities for said characters to do anything else. So some of the deaths feel like they actively hurt the series future potential. Maybe that wouldnt feel like that if said characters got more stuff before their deaths but they didn't. There are a lot of sensible and valid criticisms in the review. It's just that the 6/10 slaps you on the face if you don't think about the whole work culture thing and how some reviewers let that stuff affect their review.
Tldr:
I agree with their complaints but the 6 was too harsh.
Deaths are meant to feel shallow imo. "So much potential for the story to continue". This anime reflects real life in that no matter your potential, no matter how well of a person you could be your life could still be taken in seconds. I really like it, because it breaks the norm of protecting its main cast. Like Bleach, one of my favorite animes, really didn't have any real stakes until TYBW arc. In JJK battle is battle and you can never be 100% who will live or die.
@@frogoyes7611 Well that's just a matter of preference imo..
Firstly, lets take Nanami's death, throughout the season we see him struggling to keep up, saving his friends, facing much stronger opponents, having a mental breakdown, all of this madness results in a sorrowful conclusion when he fights his last battle in face of his shattered dreams of a peaceful life... this death does an excellent job in conveying the terrifying nature of this situation and the dark world of jjk, you can tell from his expressions that he does not want to be there and its sad to see him go that way.. his death was thematically justified.
On the other hand, Nobara's death to me, felt completely unnecessary as she is killed by the same character (Mahito) acting as a plot device for yuji's 2nd breakdown after a cheap, sudden backstory.. it felt like the author had an idea to kill her out of nowhere and made a servicable backstory on the spot and killed a promising characters in an instant (Nanami death scene was well paced with great cinematography)
And to me killing characters as shock value and claiming it as realistic feels like a cheap writing trope which gets uninteresting after 2-3 times (the manga continues to do this in further arcs)
Its easy to kill off characters and sell their death as gtitty realism instead of actually constructing good character arcs and then killing for an even terrifying effect on the reader
I think the overall critism of deaths feeling shallow is justified. While theyre important for yuuji as a viewer we didnt nearly spent enough time with them to be sad. Sealing of Gojo made more of an impression on viewers because well, we explored his character in jjk0, season1 and in the first 5 episodes of the season2. His sealing made an impact on the story aswell as on the viewers. Deaths on this season achieved barely any of it. (you know what i mean if youre a manga reader. Outside of yuji their deaths isnt even mentioned nor important anymore) And i think that has something to do with Gege wanting to finish writing JJK. Anyways i think if there was one more arc before shibuya with nanami/nobara and the others it wouldve been better imo
Nanami and Nobara’s death doesn’t feel shallow if you watched season 1 as well.
@@liamwright2510 i did, i also read the manga but not really they were shocking yes but not very deep for us really
almost none of the depths are shallow, they died because they were killed
@@vast9467 200 IQ moment
kugisaki's death is like irl people sometimes just dies
Honestly I sorta kinda feel it. I've always thought that JJK really needs a tad bit more "filler", my friends say that i'm crazy for saying this but honestly JJK is the only anime I have ever seen that while on one hand I can say that I do enjoy the show, but on the other I can definitely say that I only care for like 2 or 3 characters in the entire show. The only death in season 2 that I actually cared about was Nanami. It really seems like they introduce a character, show them pop off in a fight or two, then kills them off before I ever get the chance to like them. Other than Nanami, Todo, and Maki I seriously do not see a single thing to like about any other character besides their abilities, like if Megumi were to die I would honestly be like "Damn, his powers were cool, but whatever"
Its the second coming of "too much water" 😂
*Hidden Inventory arc got an 8* from them though. I really liked that arc for doing a lot in a little time.
Hidden Inventory Arc got an 8?!
And Shibuya Arc got a 6...
That sounds just a little bit to correct.
Honestly...Impressed with IGN...or to be more correct I completely agree with the person that wrote the review.
@@azumag4432 I don't agree with some parts they said for Shibuya review (like made Yuji a worse character). But I agree with Hidden Inventory being a better arc from a writing standpoint.
@@azumag4432Hidden Inventory barely had anything relevant in it, how is that better than Shibuya gng?
@@Thezahza A piece from a show can be better than the rest of the show without being relevant at all.
A very good example will be the "The Depressed Mage Arc"/"Sara's Arc" from Mushoku Tensei Season 2 Part 1...that...even with the skipped content was ten times better than the rest of the episodes of Season 2 Part 1 of Mushoku Tensei!
@azumag4432 I don't know what that is but hidden inventory was staggeringly less fruitful than shibuya.
The Shibuya Arc is probably one of the most craciest things iv seen in Shounen Anime. It turned the whole Power Dynamic of the World upside down and kind of ends in catastrophe. I dont know how the Manga is going from there, but overall the feeling i got was "Funtime is over"
ahh , the same dialogue of cid kagenou from the eminence in shadow
I do kinda feel the critique a tiny bit. I'm waiting till a friend is into rewatching it with me cause that's how I get my multiple views of a show in. Hoping to find more of the development I feel like I missed coming back to season 2 and waiting week-to-week. Fights were gr8 but rly need to take a step back to appreciate the development.
Don't forget to watch season 1 beforehand because a lot of the building up t Shibuya is done there and in HI
i think season 2 added a lot depth and subtly to the story when they showed the story behind gojo and geto
Well yea, the anime made jjk better with its anime only scenes to the point where gege said "why didnt I think of that ?"
unironically enjoyed Hidden inventory arc more than the Shibuya Arc
@@btchiaintkidding7837Same!
@@btchiaintkidding7837they are both amazing arcs
Hidden inventory is just short
But every episode was amazing
@@btchiaintkidding7837 Agree, Ign reviewer actually gave that arc 8/10 but shibuya 6/10, I think his review is on point.
I have to agree with IGN on this one. The season was very entertaining but it seems like the author just hates expanding on the story. In great action series and films, the fights can be intense and hype even before they start, because of the buildup in the plot before them (one good example is HunterXHunter). Also great fights often represent the clashing ideals and philosophies of the characters fighting. If jjk s2 took some breaks to flesh out the world and characters the fights would have had greater impact. For example if Nobara's flashback didn't play right before her death, but got naturally inserted into the story instead I think her death would have hit a lot harder. A score of six means it's a good, above average show, that's why I find the score fitting. But it's no wonder IGN keeps giving unreasonably high scores to everything because the one time they dare to go against the crowd and give a show the criticism it deserves they get a huge backlash.
Well, I personally would rate season 2 a 7/10, because this season made me realize how little I care about the characters, 2 major characters died, and I felt close to nothing, I mean I was a little sad for some minutes in the episode, but it was quick, and I easily forgot about them.
It will do it even more the next arc. People actually start making bets on line about who will die next. I feel so bad for fans of this one character who was hyped up for months only to get one of the most messed up deaths.
@@galaxyvulture6649 WTF ? Damn, I guess I will just go with the flow, without caring too much about things. Like fights are nice but just if I care about the characters, if the author himself doesn't care, it is what it is, I will be watching season 3 mostly because of the good animation then (if the animation continues this good).
@@luccas-vh3ptI mean the author does care for the characters in fact Namani was his favorite. Just this is war not a one sided fight
@galaxyvulture6649 Heres hoping Luta gets turned into sashimi next week.
@@luccas-vh3pt in the next arc 0 important characters die, i don't know what this man is talking about tbh. it's the arc AFTER where important characters die
There was way too many fights. Never got emotionally attached to the last few fights because of the weight of the fights before.
I'd give it a 7 out of 10 so not much higher. Sue me I guess? I don't think it's anywhere near to what the fandom hyped it up to be, but I don't think it's bad either. Anything lower than a 9 though is apparently sacrilege when it comes to popular battle series.
What made u disappointed in it?
Bro couldn't comprehend the sheer hype☠️🙏
I had so much fun with this season, but I can 100% see your view. I mean what was fake getos plan? It made no sense lol. Also, I think after the phenomenal sukuna fight, they needed some breathing room to get into the end fights
@petritkola trust me fake geto's plan will make sense in culling game
@petritkola
Can you read? "Geto" s plan was the evolution of humanity and curses into the next stage after his failure with the death paintings, so he devised a plan to remove the pillar keeping the jujutsu world balanced then proceeded to choose the players who will help him make it work.
Not gonna lie I respect ign for atleast saying vinland saga s2 is anime of the year, over all the shonen, powerfantasy and isekai anime😂😂
Meh, it’s overrated imo
@@jeffdaman6969😂😂😂, cry more
@@jeffdaman6969ehhhh.. no it’s not
Edit: at least you said IMO
@@jeffdaman6969Vinland saga is a 9 out of 10 easily jjk is like a 6 or a 7 at best
@@glenroyhodge5892JJK overall is an 8 or 9/10 when it comes to the manga. It's not the best cos Gege wastes so many characters in his story.
What a lot of people don't realize is the Shibuya incident isn't supposed to be about story. It's the villain's plan coming to fruition. It's supposed to be all action, it's a war. The main take away from this arc is that the villains won. Gojo is sealed, many grade 1 and special grade sorcerers are now dead or out of commission. The story continues after the incident where the main characters have to deal with the aftermath.
No spoilers here but as a manga reader…there isn’t any story. Literally after this is the Culling Game arc introducing more characters for more fighting. It’s nonstop fighting, then talks about the next fight, then more fights 😂
@@RtsFps1my guy, like the video said, ITS AN ACTION ANIME. Just because there are still fught scenes doesn't mean the story didn't progress
@@viniciusgrosse1958 Yes it does
@@PhantomAkiraP5 are u stupid? An action anike is still gonna have action until the end of its story. Seriously, what a stupid comment
@@RtsFps1 Yeah, I read the manga, and the story becomes about how the protagonists are going to unseal Gojo and the antagonists are using the Culling Games to further their plans.
How they reviewed this season is how a lot of people feel about the manga right now. There's A LOT of missed story and character opportunities coming up. It's to the point where there's no reason to get invested in any character other than Yuji and Sukuna.
A lot of the people shitting on IGN now will be in the same boat by the end of S3.
No spoilers because I’m like 30 chapters behind, but fax. People complain about this reviewer’s critiques then say the same thing.
I haven't caught up to the manga but I do know that certain characters like Kashimo and Yuki were wasted but I also know that Maki has ridiculous plot armour and should be dead.
@@thomasffrench3639 I won't spoil anything, but seeing as you're 30 chapters behind... you've already seen a good amount of the wasted story opportunities. So much brought up just to do nothing with it.
Well it's a battle shonen sooooo....
Spoiler warning
I disagree, the problem I think starts with gojo, the shitty way of ending him just made further deaths feel even worse. And before anyone tries to say I'm just mad gojo died it was super obvious he was going to lose as he had to for the story to give yuji the opportunity to do anything.
Gojo dying off screen the panel after his whole gojo won thing was horribly done leaving everyone with a bad taste in their mouth just to see kashimo die 2-3 chapters later also kinda off screen set everyone off it even more. If gojo's death hadn't been off screen and felt properly earned there wouldn't be near as much of an issue now. Even then the current manga complaints aren't even about too much action it's moreso about gege giving sukuna plot armor and the fact that he keeps off screening top tiers making it feel like the main cast has no chance without crazy plot armor.
Tldr: gojo's death being poorly written is where the manga complaints start and the manga complaints aren't even the same as the ign reviewers so your whole thing about everyone saying the same thing doesn't make sense.
I think the score is pretty fair. Without the MAPPA animation carrying it, the arc feels super...unearned maybe. Most of the characters weren't built up yet to the point where I would care if they died, half of the cast I couldn't remember who or why they were there, stuff just happens without any buildup, 6 is a super fair score.
Proper braindead take right here.
Bro is watching the show with his eyes closed. There’s hella buildup. Literally all of Season 1 is buildup
Everything before Shibuya has been building up to it.
I actually agree with this take. While I thought the animation this season was absolutely phenomenal, there was simply just too much of it crammed within the relatively short span of episodes. I felt that we didn’t really get enough time to breathe and appreciate what we just watched before the next battle sequence hit us in the face.
Buddy that the point. The author intentionally design the arc to not give readers anytime to properly digest what is actually happening. Shibuya is practically a war zone and sorcerers don’t have time to mourn over death of their loved.
@@thexpatsgaming8609 not just that, after Shibuya, Gege Akutani writes everything like this. It’s fight after fight with only thin plot lines connecting them. Great fights for sure, but I do appreciate when there is a bit more narrative.
@@thexpatsgaming8609doesnt make it good lmao
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this feels like season3,
and not season2.
the arc itself would have been fine. if there were another narrative/story/plot heavy present timeline arc were sandwiched between hidden inventory and shibuya arc, at least a fleshed out 12 episode arc if not a gigantic full season. thats simply just the truth
and dont "it is war blah blah unforgiving world blah blah" i read and adore GRRM's books so i fkin love sudden unceremonious de@th of massively important characters, but shibuya aint it
One thing I’m noticing is that JJK is becoming the next Demon Slayer, but instead of “carried by animation” it’s “carried by fights.”
JJK's lore and world building is at least far more consistent than Demon Slayer's. You can literally find tons of videos with hours of footage of people pointing out how bad Demon Slayer's writing is and how many plot holes there are
@@susbedo9258"world building" 💀💀
@@susbedo9258I'm updated on the manga , jjk does NOT have (substantial) world building
world destroying
They are 100% right. Glad they had the balls to say it.
It's a fighting anime. There is never too much action
It’s not that there’s “too much action,” it’s that there’s nothing else in the show worth anything, so the action is all meaningless
@@cursedstone7939it need to have something else to show besides fighting just like older anime did, if u wann say action alone then RoR is better than JJK
it does. you just can't read. @@sonicwithglasses131
@@sonicwithglasses131it does. We didn’t watch the same show
They arent wrong. It was a meandering story filled with a lot of shock value. Still, got super emotional when Todo did that last clap.
To be fair, i also didnt like season 2. Not because 'too much action'. Because there was no build up to any character. The death felt meaningful as i didnt care about any single of them. Action is great. But i felt it was without substance. For example, i dont know most of the side characters techniques to be excited. But when i do know, it's great, like the sukuna vs jogo fight. Ironically i liked hidden inventory better then shibuya.Overall, season 2 is better than season 1 but not as great as people make it out to be. But since season 1 was mid in my opinion, it is not much of a high bar.
You need your brain to understand things in Jjk, it's not like a normal shonen show.People with no brain-power will not like this show anyway lol.
Thats you though, a lot of people cared. Thats a personal thing. I loved nanami, he was stuck between two trash jobs just trying to make a living. he had potential to be a great. A lot of those deaths were not shock value. Their flaws were catching up with them.
@@confidential9692 jjk is the most generic shounen lol. Only no-brain fanboys said otherwise.
@@ChemykalX Be careful with the "potential" or you'll end up "potential man" like Megumi
@@confidential9692if you think u need 'high IQ' to understand jjk, then go to a doctor my guy 😅😅. Even If people have problems understanding jjk, I would say it's the lack of capability of the author to convey such concepts. There are way more complex stories and they have their way of making it understandable to the audience easily like steins gate, aot, monster,etc
They are right. I'm not a big fan of the series myself because it's like they thought the old shonen was too long and now they want to speedrun it with like 90% action instead of giving the story a decent length with proper balancing between actions and chill moments. The action itself also has very poor and convoluted power system. I see no correlation between the curse technique and curse energy at all. When Sukuna saw the potential in Megumi's power, I thought that there was gonna be some creative ways that his power can be used to fight against Gojo but instead it's just an op summon with bs abilities.
Lowkey they right, just because a series has action don’t mean it’s a great story
Unfortunately for them, JJK has much more than just action.
@@thatguytax oh yes, a bunch of plot armored characters and deaths, a masterpiece
@@stephenpamon4162 Nobody in JJK has plot armor, other than maybe Yuji.
Bro it was good ,definitely a 8 for me .But ppl should also understand that fight scenes and animation are not only the basis of overall comparison.Character development, lore,plot are also the measure to find how good is an anime and besides Yuji all other characters were shallow to me.Besides it's story seems to be quite generic somewhat similar to Bleach and Character are somewhat similar to Naruto....
And there is no World building.
Yeah bro I completely agree your criticism. But I think it will only become good in future....
Problem with jjk is that it's at it's peak popularity wise(this is everywhere)so the show has currently many fanboys treating it like peak fiction when it isn't,when it ends people Will start talking more about the problems it has.
@@isidorodaviddoro1920 Exactly
I completely disagree.
Nanami, Gojo, Geto amd Yuji are all very fleshed out.
If you dont think so, watch from start to finish again. If you still dont think so, idk what to say honestly.
Also your *worldbuilding* complaint. I can completely understand that JJK needs wordbuilding, if it was a fantasy world with imaginary locations.
But the whole shtick about JJKs
world is that there are cursed spirits born from human negativity and the story is situated in 'Japan'!
What, do you want paragraphs worth of dialogue about japanese culture, when it adds nothing to the story, for the sake of 'WORLD BUILDING'?!
Sorry about the tone, but your second criticism was just dogsh*t.
@@oz9220 FIRST OF ALL THINKING YOUR OPINION AS BEST AND CALLING OTHER'S OPINION DOGSH*T SHOWS YOUR MATURITY .
Besides my criticism is :
First of all there is no character development besides Yuji in until s2.(I am not a manga reader)
Animation aside (which is extra good), the characters are boring, bland and very generic & insufficiently characterized. The characters lack depth. Jjk’s strength is that its a ‘condensed’ shounen. It skips all the character and plot development and jumps right into the action scenes.
I would rather watch series that are focused on characters rather than action, since action without any deep character is just a waste of pixels, because I won't give a shit about the action if I don't get to know anything about the characters, thats why I rather watch Naruto vs Zabuza a millions times instead of JJK .
The fights of JJKare the best part and even though they’re very pretty they don’t have the same kind of interplay of powers and mind games that HxH or even Naturo did, which is disappointing since the power system seems very set up for that kind of stuff.
It’s almost like on purpose to have people talk about IGN. I bet that’s their goal
I mean they’re not off with the rating, just not for the reason they mentioned.
I mean I can kind of understand what they meant
Fights only really have impact when you care a lot for the characters
And jjk doesn't really have too many character focussed moments
So it can just come across as fights for the sake of fights
That said, I had fun with jjk s2 none the less
Tge fights in jjk r relevant because they show they show the shift in the jjk world. Jjks best aspect is the unexpected. Tge way the tone shifts from season 1 to season 2 is huge and for that to happen, the fights need to have more to do with the bigger picture than tge characters.
@@Blackmustache870 I get that, but the problem is that the series hardly cared about the world and most of it's characters up until this point ( Nanami, Geto and Gojo felt like the only characters that got any characterisation). The only thing it really cared about was it's power system
If the point of this arc was just to ensure that the world knows about curses now, or for something else in the future, then cool
@@badpiggy4177 not caring about the world up to that point was another way of showing the unexpected. We're told mild lore about curses and jujutsu society and hidden inventory doesn't retcon anything, but expands it to show the importance of its world. Also another character people miss tgat get characterization is megumi. A lot of people don't realize this because it was such a cool action filled moment, but the moment megumi unlocked his domain, was character development for him in him learning the actual value and purpose of self sacrifice.
@@Blackmustache870yeah but if that is the case, plenty of people will lose interest which is fair, because a focal aspect of the show is with the action sequences and specific characters. If they want people to care about the world, well you gotta implement would building. Doing it in a different order isn't going to be very effective for a lot of viewers and readers, because to show a shift in a world, you need to build the world in the first place.
Not saying it doesn't exist. They establish how certain things work in the world and society and all that, but it wasn't really flushed out and was definitely not a focal point of the narrative. Compare this to some other shows like say aot or hunter x hunter and it shows in my opinion more effective implementation of action and world building combined with tone shifts to great effect. Idk, I feel like most like the anime for the action and animation, with story elements and the world largely being secondary and borderline forgettable for plenty. Yes its an action anime, and yes there are certain moments many enjoyed, but we have definitely seen this done more effectively. Just my perspective
@@GodofGoblins I agree many series expands the world better than jjk, but I feel like a lot of people's problems of not caring about some things in jjk is just the viewers perception. I'm a manga reader so I don't blame anyone for missing these parts, but a lot of jjks other aspects r just overshadowed by its action because it's action is so good, not because other parts r lacking. For example, a lot of people don't consider megumi a well developed character and put him in the same tier as like nobara in terms of writing. But a lot of his characterization is shown in his domain expansion first time use and doesn't get forgotten about later in the story. He tells nanami he'll be risking his life, but not throwing it away, making megumis character arc consistent. Another part is kenjakus alias of kamo noritishi. Many people miss that the person shown that kenjaku took over was shown back in s1 when yuji and nobara fought the blood siblings.
I personally think most of jjks "issues" regarding too much action r misunderstandings in tge story. Geve isn't the best at explaining but when the story is seen in a more clear way it easily becomes more than just an action series.
What jjk did well tho was keeping ur attention even in scenes u didn't think would be important, something happens later that's almost mind blowing. Tojis precense in the arc was a clear example of this.
I actually agree with ign. Shibuya's arc is all action with a mid plot. People don't seem to get how mid is Jujutsu Kaisen.
Recency bias. This show is so horribly mid, like it's not even good or bad it's just.. painfully mid.
Considering that the reviewer gave a much higher score to hidden inventory arc and JJK0, I think he simply prefers there to be something more than just more action even if the action is top class. It is his opinion that everyone doesn't need to agree with. And it is not like fans would not watch part 2 of season 2 just because of an IGN review. Move on
in a way there right them killing off so many interesting characters who never did have a proper arc isn't good at all
and in the next arc they introduce so many characters who are never going to have the time to develop or understand them more.
the only character i can remember having a subplot end is mechamaru and maki's sister (i cant even remember there name)
I kind of agree with IGN, if there were not as much action scenes during this season, the animators would have a bit more breathing room.
Omg 😂 let them see their family
What dipshit logic is that? The animators have a job, they choose to do it, it's not slavery, they did it fucking well, and so you give it lower score, because management was harsh? You don't help them by giving all that incredible but grueling work they did a lower score.
I like jujutsu kaisen but I definitely can acknowledge the points made in the review
Honestly don't think so. IGN is dogcrap. It literally said the OP live action is "too close to the source material".
@djaxeman2424 ign has so many different reviewers, it's not a monolith
the score is way too low tbh. JJK has its stories and development within its fights. Only criticisms for this point in jjk is that there's a lack of character interactions. It's more like a 9/10
@@Ringoroadagain6 And yet you see almost no proper critique from IGN. In short, the audience remains the best judge.
@@djaxeman2424 they rightfully criticised it for trying too hard to replicate iconic anime scenes. There were absolutely some horrible scenes in the live action where it felt like cosplay. You’re cherry picking
I agree with their take on the characters dying just for shock value. gege needa learn to keep characters alive
Not at all. It differentiates JJK from other animes making the audience Know characters are at risk
I would say these critcisms would be more valid if we're talking about what happens after this arc.
IGN is right this time, Shibuya is underwhelming plot wise. They were also right when declaring Vinland Saga S2 as AOTY. Rare IGN W takes.
The plot is their protection is sealed. Shit hit the fan. The whole point of the series is action. Nobody is waiting on the romance, mystery, or thriller.
Brother how is it underwhelming? The whole point of the arc is a straight up war between sorcerers and curses which is what happens, its not going to be a yapping session, the whole arc has been hinted at since like ep 6 or 7 of season 1 like tf? Do you people even know what a WAR is at this point?
Plot wise it is very significant given how this changes the playing field as a whole. They were wrong. The only thing I agree is Vinland saga S2 being AOTY
@@jeffreyali3644 A significant change in plot doesn't equal a good plot. It is important how it is presented and executed. The problem with JJK is its content is 95 percent fighting, they simply don't care enough to provide the audience a compelling reason to care about the plot.
Nobody cares how the story's conflict would get resolved. Do you care whether kenjaku succeed in merging humanity with tengen? I doubt that. People want to see cool curse techniques and domain expansion.
@@alfanscholz8663 agreed, and how it was presented and executed was done well with the buildup they had for season 1. It had a lot of action I’ll admit to that, but Shibuya general still has more to it than just fighting. Culling games is where things are pretty much only fighting and nothing else. it’s a war arc so it’s not really unexpected to have a lot of action and yet it still had some major character growth for Itadori among other things that gave a compelling reason to focus on the plot.
And plenty of people care about how the conflict would get resolved. Just because you and the ign reviewer didn’t doesn’t mean everyone else won’t so don’t get ahead of yourself
It's not a bad review. The point about Yuji's character development is very valid. Yes, as Chibi said, there's some evidence of that, with Yuji telling Mahito that they're the same, but we get very little, we don't even really know how that will carry over to the next arc.
Also, in all my years watching anime, this is the first time I've heard of the term 'unfinished' being used to describe episodes of a season. And yes, I know that the bigwigs in Mappa is at fault here, not the animators, but still, an unfinished production-wise anime episode airing is something unheard of. Even the animators admitted that some of the episodes were unfinished. Season 1 was so much more solid than Shibuya Arc.
Wouldn’t that bring interest into the next arc since we don’t know how that changes him
@@noot4041But IGN reviewed this current arc and not what could happen in the next arc
@@beige_projection well that’s kinda of weird since that’s what the arc does it sets up the next arc mostly. to not put that in consideration just seems wrong.
If you’ve read the manga you already know that the shibuya incident is the catalyst for the entire rest of the series. This arc isn’t just a “one and done” thing where it’s just forgotten. It becomes the tipping point for the entire power scale flipping over
@@noot4041 so they're supposed to review the next arc too based on "what ifs and could haves" and also when it hasn't aired yet? How can they judge if the setup is good or bad if they haven't seen the next arc yet? Those who haven't read the manga do not know how much the deaths and destruction would affect Yuji and the whole story, it's only speculation up to this point and you're not supposed to write a review based on speculation.
The thing is that for me it's not that there is too much action, but it felt like there wasn't much substance to the story. The hyping up made it seem like the best arc ever made but it seems my definition of "best" is different.
@@ricky-chinaudio No MHA Sports Festival also doesn't fit my definition of "best" either. Anyways since this conversation will probably be continued on with a toxic reply, that is all you will be getting from me.
They aren't wrong in a way, although it doesn't bother as much given at some point battle animes are going to have stacked fights eventually if they build this "Vs archetype arcs". This is why season 1 handled the story better mainly because it was the introduction of the show and all the elements in it + more. Also I have to disagree with the popularity part of JJK, since season 1 was more popular than S2 because if it wasn't for S1 it wouldn't have had all these people who hyped it up with the manga readers. On Mal JJK S1 have almost 2.5 million members while S2 almost has 800k members even though its not been around for that long, still jjk s2 might get up to 1 - 1,5 mill over the years but not more than that. It requires people to watch through S1 and if they don't like that they wouldn't watch S2. Also the "villian got away" was mainly due to plot by retconning how the "Uzimaki" works in order to create the culling game (next arc), which is why it felt so cheap.
Nah season 2 is better and judging it just because is the second season is insane on your part everything season 1 set is being done in season 2.
Season 2 is easily more popular than season 1 purely based off of comment count and like/dislike count on streaming sites between season 1 and 2.
Google trends shows far more searches and interest now compared to 2021/2018.
Including MAL makes no sense considering it's a third party review and rating site that a good portion of anime viewers do not use.
Stating that Season 1 is more popular because you have to watch it to get to Season 2 is a non-argument. Season 1 had less discourse surrounding it (less videos, less comments, less memes) and Season 2 was prevalent both before, during, and after it's airing.
Likewise, stating that the manga driving interest in Season 2 diminishes its popularity makes no sense. You can't have one without the other, the 2nd Season does not exist in a bubble.
Ignoring the click-bait title and under-rating of JJK, IGN is right. The only characters the author cares about developing is Yuji and Mahito in this arc and JJK did it very well, at the expense of all the ensemble characters.
Nanami's death felt cheap to me since he was already "killed" by Jogo, only to be revived to go to the perfect spot to be killed by Mahito to traumatise Yuji.
Geto was built up as the major antagonist with the Hidden inventory arc showing his motivation and rivalry with Gojo, only to be deleted and replaced with Kenjaku, some evil guy with an evil plot.
Matter a fact yujis new mindset is dog shit too and the newest chapter also contradicts his new mind set when sukuna said yuji has an unmoveble soul even tho shibuya arc proved that wrong
@@sonicwithglasses131 maybe he toughened up after shibuya? dumbass
Yes, it was wrong to replace Geto
@@sonicwithglasses131 indomitable soul doesn't mean indomitable perspectives.
Yuji was broken in Shibuya and came with a new understanding and reality of the world, which means even though his ideals were shattered, he has an indomitable soul.
We going to ignore the entire jogo and even Dagon dialogue hell or even how toji was happy his son kept his wife last name
The fights are very disorientating i can barly even tell whats happening.
Are you sure it’s the fights themselves or the ghosting and dimming?
bad animation and lots of closeups and quick cuts will do that
I think that sounds really bad on paper.. but it’s kindaaaa true. There wasn’t enough buildup for a lot of it. Making things like Nobaru have next to no emotional weight. Some of the fights were kinda pointless, and I really do think removing them for a bit more anticipation and character exploration would have done the arc a large service
I feel like the lack of build up is what made the death’s actually impactful. I hate when they obviously set up a character to die, and I’m not surprised at all
They did fumble Nobara's death in the anime. That's the worst thing I an say. They made her look absolutely stupid and I don't know how the director thought the way they presented it somehow looked good.
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@@thomasffrench3639 I agree with you, a lot of times they make it really obvious that someone is going to die. Death flags galore lol
All the fights were good to have, maybe except for the lotus. Everyone trying to hard to act like a director in these comments, just embarrassing yourself 😂
Unpopular opinon, but I agree for the most part except for the Yuji character development and the rating itself. I felt like there were too many too long fights in one season and reached a point when watching of just wanting to reach the next plot point. Overall I still did enjoy it a lot so, 8/10 but yeah a little tiring
I really liked JJK season 2 but there are some valid points. Fake getos plan past getting gojo made no sense lol (why didn't he do anything till the last episode where the thing he needed was mahito? Lol)
Also nanamis death was SOLELY for yujis sadness to occur.
Now in terms of action , it was phenomenal and there are some action films that serve most just for the action (this reminded me of mad max fury road and how it mainly told the story through the action).
Overallt I really enjoyed it, but I agree not a lot of character growth and story
What SHOULD fake Geto been doing though? There’s really no need for him to put himself in any risk until mahito has ascended, and after that he automatically achieves his short term goal.
What???
Are you dumb 😂....it already explained in the show
The read comprehension some of you people have 😂😂😂
Fake Geto wanted Mahito's technique to evolve since once he eats a curse he can't develop its technique further. Nanamis death goes deeper than that, Nanami ran away from jujutsu because he knew he would eventually get killed like his partner and we see how he struggled with that and how he changed his mind just by a simple thank you. Nanami wanted to help people and was fine with dying and his time unfortunately ran out. Nanamis last words to Yuji give's him the strength to keep going.
Sukuna himself said that when it comes to ideals Yuuji is his equal. And its because of everything that he went through in Shibuya that made him realize who he really is and what he believes in
Fake Geto said it himself, he wanted Yuji to weaken Mahito.
First of all Kenjaku (fake geto) literally explained it that he needed mahito to evolve so he can use idle transfiguration
2nd of all Nanami could have just died by jogo tbh making him live up just to die by mahito was unnecesary
Honestly I agree with the review. I found the Shibuya Incident pretty disappointing with how shallow it was, action for actions sake and very little more. Action should serve the story, and a lot of the action didn’t in that arc. And I think the part of the review talking about the discarding and disrespect of the ensemble is more about how Maki and her grandfather got cooked by Jogo in the blink of an eye, never to be heard from again, and how Inumaki lost his arms off screen.
2 things, some things are elaborated on in the manga as it continues, so you can't really criticize the anime on that basis, next the story is literally intertwined with its fights, have you not seen Yuji vs Mahito and the entirety of Geto and Gojo vs Toji? They both are examples of fights with massive development and some narrative importance, hell Sukuna's rampage is literally the most important story altering event in the series even now, to say the fights weren't important to the plot is missing the whole point
I take it that you have zero reading comprehension @Joenah5
Sadly, Maki has ridiculous plot armour so she obviously survived. Her character arc is also kinda mid but everyone's gonna eat it up anyway.
What fight didn't contribute to the story? The only one I can kinda think of is like yuji vs the grasshopper? And even then they had to show some of them fighting the hordes of curses strewn throughout Shibuya as that's kinda a major plot point of the Shibuya arc.
I think the complaints about the action just being there for actions sake is people who watch with their eyes closed ordon't watch shonen/anime in general just jumping on the hype train cause majority of the action is there for a reason. Were they meant to just converse with the cursed spirits that were mass murdering civilians? Were gojo and geto just supposed to converse with toji while he tries to assassinate riko?
@@anonisnoone6125 Maki is literally the best part of JJK lmao
JJK is good, but honestly overrated. I fell asleep multiple times watching it, which I have to think means something. I'm still going to keep watching it, it's not bad at all, but not a 9/10 for me like it seems to be for some. 7/10 as a series overall. I can't give it 6 tho, that's too low.
They’re right though; honestly, this article makes me feel seen, these are my exact complaints. In Season 2, episodes 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, and 22 all contain 15+ minutes of fight scene. Almost all of those contain practically no dialogue and could have conveyed the same information in a third of the runtime.
Season 2 is called Shibuya incident arc, not "yap about growing as a person" arc.
@@Shinigami.ey3s1994fr😭 shibuya was a warzone where did we have time to chat about our feelings
@@richieene1042 realaism is killing media because of u guys
@@richieene1042thank you!!!! Talk? Sukuna would literally be laughing at this comment section. We talked in season one. We talked in first half of season 2, its time to box. These people killed their allies, what am i chatting for.
@@richieene1042 The author is the one that made choices in the arc, the story didn't write itself. If there was too much action, it's not because "well that's how the arc is", it's because Gege made the choice to do that. If something doesn't work well, you change it, not say "well that's how it is".
I personally liked the season, definitely more than 6/10 and particularily some parts of it a ton but I was losing interest once the Mahito fights started. Instead of getting a build up, fight and so on, you kinda just got fight, fight, which is problematic because the build up is what makes fights meaningful and more than mindless action. It's like seeing character deaths, you don't care if you're not invested in the character
he is kinda spittin tho, they intentionally had nanami die and nobara die to make yuuji suffer, nobara was only removed from the story because gege realized her technique could damage sukuna via his fingers and her technique
I mean not necessarily, Nobara isn't confirmed dead and let's be real Nanami was not gonna make it out of there after getting hit by Jogo. The fact Maki lived is surprising by itself.
@@frogoyes7611 again he had it setup so he would kill them all instead of gojo one shotting the whole group before he saw kenny
Mid REAL! The OP is a BOPPPP
CSM is better because it COMMITS to consequence
Denji touches a titty, has a character development moment and then forgets about it completely for the rest of the story, going straight back to being a thirsty simp.
lesbians getting double 2-page spreads for special treatment, killed off and then brought back for no reason.
Big bad gets beaten and then comes back as a pet baby so she can stick around. What consequences?
@@frustratedsquirrel There are only 2 people (not including Makima/Nayuta) who make it out alive. Calling Denji a thirsty simp is very ignorant. Also don’t really get what’s wrong with the lesbian spread scenes, they were hot.
Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 is not good. The art is fine, but I dont want to see endless mindless fight scenes with no weight to them. The Hidden weapon arc was great, but the Shibuya incident arc was an absolute mess. The deaths were definitely shock value and they didnt really build up many of those characters enough.
Proper braindead take here.
@@Juryoku113 Meanwhile here I am thinking the Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 enjoyers turned their brain off like a baby and watched. JJK S2 lacks weight and drama.
@@ArchesBro Whatever helps you sleep brah
How many Character from the main cast died in this arc?
JJK has great action but it’s one of the animes which would benefit from filler content. None of the characters feel fleshed out. They all fill the archetype of “cool guy/chick with cool cursed technique” or they’re just weak side characters no one cares about (mai, miwa, etc)
Moments which showed their personality outside of combat are needed to make us care about them and these moments are so scarce.
Nanami’s and Nobara’s deaths felt sad but the only feeling I had was “dang they were cool” and not something on an emotional level. It’s not the matter of the story being short - we just didn’t interact with them enough outside of seeing them during combat
“None of the characters feel fleshed out” we did definitely not watch the same series
@@ricksanchez6766 choose any character and name at least 5 scenes which don’t revolve around combat which flesh out their character in meaningful ways
There are only a handful of such characters such as Gojo and the only reason he feels fleshed out is because he actually has these kind of scenes. Most of the rest of the cast barely has any scenes like that
@@gabik240200 I mean the author style is more of centering the story mostly around the actual arc and do in fact is kinda well known for "skipping" the usual intro before the story actually goes into the main plot. It is its brand of writing so having it change how it writes to expand character what makes its writing unique to other battle shonens. I see it as a stylistic choice which boils down to people's personal taste or opinion whether they like it or not.
@@gabik240200 what the are these conditions lol? Does development that involve combat not count as development for you? I didn’t realise there was a minimum requirement for development without any fights 😭
Nice modifying of your point to try prove your original one, but development is development I’m afraid.
@@ricksanchez6766 you’re coping hard
I can easily mention such moments but they’re very few and very condensed. A great example is JKK0 and the hidden inventory arc in season 2. Both have a plot but they showcase the characters as a priority.
In JJK0 we got info about all the students in JJ High, they each had their moment to shine and we saw how they were humanized - Maki’s background, the way Inumaki goes into great effort to not harm others. We saw how Gojo was depicted as an idiot teacher from the very get go but he always stood up for his students. There are plenty of moments like that in the movie - anyone could watch it as a standalone movie without knowing anything about JJK and both connect with the characters and also enjoy the action. That was actually my first introduction to the anime
Season 1 had very few moments like that. Gojo had a lot of scenes which showed his personality and made us care about him but other key players had VERY few scenes. If I have to recall scenes for Nobara all I can remember are 1) Nobara and Yuji trying to cockblock megumi 2) Nobara talking to Yuji’s old classmate 3) Nobara’s childhood (which was revealed right as she died so it’s a very cheap and somewhat ineffective way to try and garner sympathy at least imo)
Yes she had cool banter during fights and her CT was very flashy and cool but as a person - she wasn’t any different than almost the rest of the cast
Nanami suffered the same issue. His fight scenes and stuff like the way he interrogated the blonde haired dude were very well done but the scene which stuck the most with me is how he helped the woman at the bakery. Those are the most important scenes - showing why you should care about this person outside their CT and their feats. Show their humanity. I feel like the disaster curses had more character building scenes than most of the main human cast.
Although they have garbage opinions and no credibility. Does not mate this untrue. I want a casual viewer to explain to me what happened in season 2 plot wise.
I enjoy the series and I legitimately cannot tell you anything coherent about that entire season, other than the fights that happened.
"Well its a war and......... uhhhhhh"
So you personally didn't understand the season so the season is bad? Bro, my 5 year old nephew could tell you how this arc progressed the plot
"Villains plan an intricate terrorist attack in the Shibuya district with the goal of sealing Gojo. The Jujutsu Sorcerers on standby fight to reclaim Gojo before all of Japan is engulfed from the negative consequences of this terrorist attack." That's the plot. Took me a minute to type this out.
@atpr3241 seems lacking in any depth and incredibly superficial description. Also, it is not a single mention of the main character.
@@berickslime6718 Well it's just a summary of the plot. My goal wasn't to make it detailed or super descriptive.
Yeah idk. It's a fine show, I do enjoy it quite a bit, but I enjoy it mainly for the music and action choreography. Everything else is...fine? I didn't really feel anything when anyone died. Like they tried to tug at my heart strings, but it just didn't land. Kinda like how they tried that with akame ga kill which is a big inspiration of the show. Plenty of death, didn't really care all that much.
Even when certain plot revelations was revealed I was for the most part just like...OK sure. So when is the next fight scene? I borderline forget characters names sometimes since there are so many. It's not like say full metal where I'm on edge of my seat when certain moments happen, or hell even demon slayer. I don't fully disagree with the overall sentiment in the review. Number scores I never care about, people always have different opinions on that. But yeah, I probably gravitated to the action moments a lot since everything else just wasn't all that amazing. Like sure it was kinda sad when volcano dude blitzes those 3 characters really fast, but I was just thinking "oh ok...blonde dude was cool, that's a shame. I thought they were gonna do more with that girl too, and old man was dope. ...welp, ggs.) I saw reactors omega shocked and crying and i...just...didn't get it. Still a fun show though, great animation too. But it is what it is.
Exactly my thoughts. Except I even forgot that the old man died.
I think people judging JJK for those specific reasons are valid. I do think the metrics for reviewing content are too strict sometimes. When i judge something, i tend to judge it for what I'm expecting out of it. Id rate both Oppenheimer and John Wick 4 a 9 out of 10 but for completely different reasons. Sometimes, i want deep and reflecting stories, and other times i want adrenaline filled excitement. They are very different, but im glad for that. Deep stories are amazing, but just like i wouldn't want to eat pizza every single day for the rest of my life, i also wouldn't want every single anime to have the level of story telling like lets say a Vinland Saga. One punch man is perfectly fine as well lol and that variation is what makes these things stand out in their own ways
I mean they are not wrong about having too much action but it's a good thing for what JJK is
Personally I'm not too fan of it for that reason but I wouldn't rate it 6/10 maybe like 8/10
It's good at what it does but I want more story imo
Gege is burnt out. I feel like the best setup for manga authors is to have one person write the story and another make most of the art, then have assistants do backward art and such.
I agree with the criticism that Shibuya had too much fighting and deaths that had little weight because the characters weren't built up properly beforehand. Nanami's death was the only one that really hit me. I didn't care for Mechamaru's death in the moment, but he was at least built up more after his death. Everyone else's felt so shallow.
Compare this to Hidden Inventory where Riko was seen doing normal high school girl things and having fun with Gojo and Geto so her death hit like a truck.
Hidden Inventory to me is easily the best arc in JJK and an easy 10/10.
Shibuya is a 7/10 that's carried by a banger opening and Nanami.
Pathetic take with 0 understanding of the plot
@@AJ-ry8qd Feel free to critique my opinion with some concrete takes of your own instead of throwing out buzzwords.
@@ade1174he is a jjk Simp lmao
Shibuya arc is a 6.5/10 but the fights were peak so its a 7.5 for me
you just have no media literacy. Fights can be narrative too. any "breather moemnt" would've ruined this arc and its sense of escalation. @@sonicwithglasses131
Ign, anime corner and anime trending are better than crunchyroll in my opinion, they prefer storytelling, direction, elevated source material, Osts over artsyle and animation 😂😂
This is how it should be, but toxic fanbases only care about which series has better animation, truly sad😂😂
if they say there's too much fighting now just WAIT till we get into the culling games
I mean, they're 100% right tho, the fights in JJK are some of the best in history but at the cost of some needed time with the characters and in the Culling Games, that gets worse
Stop the cap bro.
@@thexpatsgaming8609there's no cap, a lot of us would like good storytelling accompany with great action too.
If you are a manga reader a lot of them would agree that's basically where the story is at rn, and shibuya arc is basically what jump started it, lot of good action but the story and character development has been left with a lot to be desired, what a shame.
Chino are u watching Dangers in my Heart season 2. It’s so good. U haven’t talked about it since it started airing
This is just like when they gave that Pokemon game a bad score for having "too much water" in a water-based region
6/10 isn't bad
In some way I agree. I dont really care for the characters in this anime like i do for characters in other shounen. you barely get to know the characters. I'll give it a 7 out of 10. Fight scenes are amazing though.
Yeah, I hope Gege makes a small anime only arc that's a flash back to explore characters that pasted and as a tool to explore alive character
I can see a point to the critique as JJK season 2 was a lot of set up into nonstop fight scenes with no breaks inbetween. I can see some people getting fatigued due to all the action taking place with out some moments of levity to calm things down. Granted the shibuya arc was a big turning point for the series so I don't think they should've done the season differently, but I can understand the perspective.
The entire point of shibuya was to get gojo unsealed so he can regulate all the chaos. Did you expect a lovey-dovey meet-up between characters?
@@Thezahza Huh? I literally said they shouldn't have done anything differently. Just that I can understand why someone wouldn't have like constant action.
@@duncanclarke8752 Yeah and that someone clearly didn't understand the season
I agree. JJK relies too much on animation & circumstantial battle setups.
The animation is icing, the cake is fucking delicious on it's own even without it. The backstories are great and had me in tears several times during the season..
jokes aside, there's actually a point of having "too much action" can be bad for the show in general. Not so much to the seasons that just aired, but for the future of Mappa animated anime having a drop in quality. We've already seen some animators publicly stating that they don't want to work for mappa anymore cause of the working conditions, and there's an argument that some aspect of that has to do with animating "too many high quality action scenes". I do love a good quality anime, but not to the point that its detrimental to the animators' health.
I mean it is true. I love JJK but it never stops to build on character progression. It's literally just a non stop death battle which you either love or hate but it comes at the cost of any deep or meaningful story telling.
That's what makes it great though lol I'll never forget how many people hated Naruto and its flashbacks to build characters during some of the large scale battles. When it comes to JJK, everything is moving fast, and it feels intense because you don't have time to mourn or wallow in self pity. The curses are still causing destruction, and for the sake of those who died you need to move forward. It made the battle in shibuya feel so much more threatening because you know these characters want to break down after losing loved ones, but they can't afford to until the battle is done
@@Insaniac969 The flashbacks in Naruto were only in the anime and it made it unwatchable imo. The manga is way better because it doesn't have that. Flashbacks were literally just added as filler to make the episode longer to skimp on the animation but it really could've been that perfect balance.
@@Insaniac969 the thing is is that only works for so long, people can only watch so many characters die with semi decent to little payoff before it stops being interesting, no one had an issue with Shibuya in the Manga, but now revisiting it along with keeping up with the manga its more apparent how lackluster some of the characters were, and this trend continues even to the recent chapters of the Manga, believe it or not but cardboard characters along with a constantly rushing story can hurt people's outlook on a series.
@@hungrynibba4152 I mean that's fair but I can't speak for the Manga. I'm judging based off of the content I've enjoyed from season 2 of the anime
@arch1eviathan216 I figured that was the case. I never read naruto, I was only ever an anime only from start to finish and those flashbacks would get increasingly frustrating
Lets be honest it s not that farfetch.
I wouldnt rate it 6 personally like more of 7.5-8 but it's true that this season was too much action animation packed that was not even on its best quality as the animators themselves told us that even some episodes were delivered unfinished especially towards the second part.
A lot of people are also manga readers where there is a lot of explanation on what is going on that was not present in this season. Not complaining about something that was not apparent in the anime but you already know it from the main source is very biased.
I also believe that the majority of people dont even care about quality writing as flashy animations and fights are generally more popular and get to your small attention span more effectively (especially nowadays) so it hurts those who are easily satisfied only with those aspects and see a 6 rating on their beloved anime.
Overall we cant forget that this season was literally worked at the same time it was airing while having so much responsibility to deliver it in a very good quality as it is one of the most popular animes right now and obviously it ended rushed.
The funny part is that 6/10 all fighting no characterization completely does describe the entire manga after Shibuya. It’s honestly not a great manga after Shibuya.
Lobotomy kaisen fans: BUt tHiS iS PEaK ANimE/ManGA
It wasnt even good before shibuya lmao
If you think this is bad you should look at ANN's weekly reviews (this one actually brings up some points I agree with).
Though I think the score should have been about an 8 based solely on what it said (the 6 was probably rage bait).
But yeah forum anime watchers and reviewers are some of the most annoyingly pretentious people (you'll get a aneurysm reading through the comments on ANN).
The main knock I'll give to the arc is just when it happens. This is the kinda arc that (I feel) should happen at a later point in the story so you actually care more about the characters (since I don't think any of the deaths elicited more than an "oof that sucks", when they happened).
I think you could argue JJK is a 7 and if you drop a point for Mappa’s animator sins a 6 doesn’t feel crazy to me
Yeah honestly a 7 to 8 is reasonable any higher is iffy and any lower is iffy, unless you count animator sins
Aged great didn’t it💀
Fair review, I don't understand the story at all. Good fights scenes tho
How can't you understand the story lol it's not that deep
@@faridabouhi9500 isn't a meme right now that no one understands jjk power system?
The story is confusing for me at times. My opinion
@@CaliMex96 Not being able to understand means, you binged it and didn't rewatch S1 before watching S2. Its a lack of effort put in understanding the show, nothing to do with the story. The story is complex and that's why you need to rewatch it to catch important details you missed earlier.
@@CaliMex96 Certain aspects of it. Like Hakaris domain.
Ign is actually right for saying that tbh. It’s just that nowadays people love flash more than complex storytelling and character development. Just watch something like true detective or march comes in like a lion or AOT, you will instantly find the difference in quality if you’re not an idiot. A story is dependent on dialogue and story and safe to say that JJK’s story sucks ass.
😂 calling others stupid because they like a different anime more is just peak stupidity. But oh well here is your bag of attention.
@@regisshiv3542 anyone can love anything, i don’t find it inherently stupid to do that. What i do find less appealing is not realising the difference in quality of said piece of entertainment. I love eromanga sensei because its entertaining, but I sure do not think it’s objectively a good show.
In what reality does Jujutsu Kaisen deserve a 10?😂
You guys are fucking tweaking. A 6/10 is absolutely absolutely absolutely, and I'll say it again absolutely valid. The only arc I really enjoyed was the Hidden Inventory Arc.
6/10 are u fking real ?
@@savirini1638 Yes, a 6/10. Shibuya and beyond was a fucking mess, and guess what in the future arcs it only gets worse.
Tbh nah jjk starting popping last year and im it glad now more and more people gonna keep seeing it
I kinda agree but I dont care much for action so I have bias however, I think Yuji is a great MC its just that I didnt care enough about the side characters deaths but at least their deaths make Yuji get more development which is great
wtf
People will say they don’t like this but then give the cats movie a 10 out of 10🤣
I felt for Nanami's death, Todo's sacrifice, Toji's suicide and even Jogo's end convo with Sukuna. Only person i was like "Well ok" was Nobara's death. It was well executed, but we needed more time with her and the trio. Gege is rlly weird because he can write amazing character interactions and dynamics but that's arguably what JJK lacks. Its ever present when it actually happens or even in battles but I think jjk would truly be a 10/10 with more interactions.
I agree. IGN is right
Sealing Gojo, Killing Nanami, Nobara getting out of the picture...all of these just so people don't forget who the MC is and for him to get some "development". Yikes 😬
After 50 episodes we are just told that the MC has a very important/powerful father and from the episode 1 he was just the husk of Sukuna.
Yuji is not the main character...he isn't even a character!
Tbh i don't really care for IGN reviews and loved season 2 for the action sequences and can't wait for season 3 but hope that Mappa gives their animators a break
Shouldnt care about any of their reviews they are inconsistent, have no clue wtf they are talking about and are too scared to give a game a score less than 7, like seriously even shit like days gone gets 5+ points
So many people are afraid to see their favorite shows get low review scores that they immediately try to discredit the reviewer so they can continue to live in their echo chambers.
If anything, IGN is often too nice with their review scores. To the point that people get up in arms about a 6/10 like it's a 3/10.
Would the score be Lower if it had ”too much Water” also?
IGN reviewers are usually on crack but this time, in a way they're not entirely wrong. While I will defend the structure of the Shibuya Incident because its supposed to be a chaotic mess, after the arc the story hardly ever takes a moment to pause and allow much downtime. The ball essentially just keeps rolling without ever stopping which is not a good thing but in a story its necessary to have a balance of elements within and out of battle. As a result it became more difficult to care for the majority of the characters and the deaths would have way less impact. Chainsaw Man is similar in terms of stakes but does a way better job with its characters and story structure. I love JJK and accept its flaws so its not as though I am trashing it, but that's an undeniable fact and lots of y'all getting angry at IGN will end up agreeing with them upon going through the Culling Game.
Yeah, that happens AFTER this arc, but this arc alone was done really well and still had character moments to boot. Look at how Itadori was developed and how the deaths of Nanami or Nobara affected so much. And this is one of the few war arcs where the villains pretty much won. For IGN to give this a 6/10 especially when they give MHA a 9/10 is pretty bogus.
The thing is its supposed to keep on going as right after everything is said and done kenjaku kick starts the culling game which increases the chaos even more the man blocks whole sections of japan unleash millions of curse spirits and bassicly reincarnate battle hungry shamens and give power to civilians and where it doesn't show or say there are moments where things slow down and people get rest time to come up with plans to add to this the entrie arc happen in 1 night
@fork-man The whole "it's supposed to be this way" type of reasoning only works for material that happens after the story took its time building its foundation. It did that before Shibuya but not before the Culling Game. Chainsaw Man demonstrated a similar structure but did it better precisely because it took a breather before hell freezes over again.
@@jeffreyali3644That's literally what I said lmao
@@kondoriano4813 I know, but I’m mostly critiquing IGN’s reviewer
I actually agree with igns verdict. If you’re looking for an action anime go no further. I like jjk, but overall? I def wouldn’t give it a 10/10 like AOT
Miss your random Tokyo ghoul re reviews at 4am
I mean they're not wrong. JJK is the most overrated series. There's no message, there's no unique aspect of the show that sets it apart from other shows, there's no original story. It just has decent art and fight scenes. Other than that, it's a copy paste shonen
i agree, i really was not able to care for none of the characters, even the ones i like the most like Nanami and Nobara. It just did not land, they felt like obstacles to the action.