If you deal with noisy recording spaces but want to have relatively clean voice recordings (podcasts, narration voice-over etc.): Try the combination Waves Clarity vx and Sonible smart:gate. One plugin cleans within the signal, the other in the spaces between. Astonishing results.
Sonible is highly respected in my book and top 3 in my world of inspiration. I love the way the "Prime Vocal" plugin is going lets merge the vibe of "SplitS" from Apulsoft and Prime Vocal and this will be a top seller 100%!! WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS :-) Thanks for this review like always and I always check your page before I buy another plugin lol its getting crazy with how many plugins are out there. Sonible is always on the tip of my tongue when conversation of the best music production plugin come up. Thanks 100, I appreciate your time and effort.
I have no problem whatsoever with affiliate links, especially when you're so transparent about it. You don't see like a sales person to me but an professional audio engineer that is simply enthusiastic about all the great digital technologies out there
Hi Wytse. It does always seems a little suspect when someone has an affiliate link to a product positively reviewed within the same video. However, I always find you very transparent in your relationships to products, and thorough in your evaluations of the same. So here I generally believe it can be reasonably left up to the consumer in such cases how to weigh the pros and cons of all this for themselves. Thanks for all your efforts.
Thanks a lot! The affiliate money is actually aimed towards making better videos. I would love to get a few musicians on board to create cool music for the videos. But one of my golden rules is that everybody that works for me has to be paid…
I've used Oxford Drum Gate for these kinds of tasks. But just checked out the Sonible Gate and ... (I didn't expect this) I like it better than my Oxford Gate. Seems more forgiving and flexible and faster to dial in too.
I'm feeling frustrated because the sonible plugins on my PC aren't working properly, except for the smart limiter which is functioning well. Unfortunately, I didn't receive any helpful support.
Especially when I first saw the "content aware" characterization, I thought "this is not actually possible except in 'manufactured' circumstances". However, after having used Sonible's smart:gate for over a month now, they have convinced me that their algorithms, (whatever they are), are "the real deal", and can actually do what they claim they can do. WOW ... Impressive, Sonible!!!
Wow! That is the best gate plugin I’ve seen/heard. I have the other Smart plugins from Sonible and it looks like I’ll be adding this 1 to the collection
Do you think you could review the new Wavesfactory equalizer? A lot of people are struggling to understand exactly what it’s function is. A video on your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
As I pointed out before, they thanked you for the - I think it was - pure:comp update where it had auto-gain set as the default ... so they are at the very least appreciative of you keeping them on their toes =] So I will not be surprised if somewhere down the line, you have a smart:desser, which will set the levels at an optimum where you can tame the harshness but not lose intelligibility (i.e. not giving your vocalist a lisp). But other than that, I really can't think of anything more on the "smart" line. Basically, your virtual assistant or apprentice engineer will be named sonible =]
FIrstly, I would never use a gate to unmix a drum mix...we use RX. Unfiltered Audio's G8 plugin has replaced all other gate plugins. This looks like a good addition...I'll have to try it out.
Great videos, my man...Thanks for explaining your monetization structure. Some people think talented, experienced experts should work for free. I got smart gate cuz my killer Stam sa-47 mk2 mic has an RF issue in my Manhattan studio. It's dead quiet everywhere else. 😞Smart gate fixes that completely. Re: affiliate links--As any pro session musician knows-"Anything worth doing, is worth doing for money" I say you deserve every penny...
RUclipsrs gotta eat too, no issues with affiliate links to products you trust and think will benefit the community, I'm sure enough of us ask in the comments what XYZ plugins, equipment etc you use so makes sense to have links to these things.
I concur, this is the logical purpose for AI/software learning, and should have come first in their line.....but no matter, it's here....yaaay! 🤗 This is a tool that will speed up everyone's work flow, when dealing with acoustic drums, and that's all that matters. It would take me waaaaay longer to achieve this with a stock gate, and side chaining, and freq focusing. I've been having some good results with the Denise Audio Poltergate. It's much more flexible than the traditional gate, and gives better results. But it still takes time to dial it all in to get great results. SmartGate is the next evolution forward 😉👍
Sonible can't count on their web page. They're selling the Smart bundle now for a low price with the smart:gate introduction and still say "Four individual plug-ins in a powerful bundle." instead of 5... ahh those Austrians.
this is astonishin, would have loved hearing speech on set sound. so gating out cars and background noise etc so to see if that + pro q eq match might make saving on set audio that seemed unsavable till now saveable.
You definitely don't seem biased here. This just seems like a great product! . . . . . . (Lewitt is the only company where I don't always get that impression from your videos.)
Good analysis. I tend to have a different approach towards microphones in general, if the build quality and such is okay, its purely about the sound. I see microphones as color’s for a painter. I’ve reviewed a lot of Lewitt microphones (because they are so willing to send me them), so that is why it looks like that. However, if you would check the Sony C-80 or Austrian Audio reviews, you’ll probably get the same vibe…
@@Whiteseastudio Hey, thanks for talking about it! I don't actually think you are being payed by Lewitt or anything like that. But I didn't get the same vibe from other mic reviews. Lewitt just seemed very present on your channel for a long time with you visiting the factory, painting your nails in the Lewitt green, having that huge microphone always there in your videos. Non of that happened with Austrian Audio for example.
It can't because a full arrangement usually doesn't leave enough time space for gating. You may try Waves Clarity instead. But this too can't isolate a vocal track completely. And then there's of course iZotope RX or Audacity’s Voice Reduction and Isolation or some websites with such a service.
This all begs the question, to me at least, of when we see a commercial version of whatever magical tools Pete Jackson & Co used to pull the audio for Get Back
i like the comparison with pro-G... i think there is currently no tool that does "inverse filter"... because the snare has also low frequencies (additional to the broad spectrum noise). so you really want to gate on something that has the low frequencies of the drum body but WITHOUT the upper freq part. essentially like "when there is also something in this frequency range, DON't trigger, otherwise do". i am pretty sure something like this could be wired within reaper with some clever sidechaining
@@KOjoeProduction you read too much into this. i use reaper and so i realize this could be done. i am not familiar with any other daw to tell for sure. i also realize wytse uses it as well so he would recognize what i mean. i was just stating as much as i was comfortable guessing
I think even regarding how good Sonible's other plugins are, this is the most obvious one to get for a mixing engineer. You tried it on drums, but using it for removing/taming breath on vocals saves SO MUCH TIME. I'm testing it today and I'm pretty sure I'll buy it even before the trial ends. By the way, if Sonible's engineers are reading this comment, I'm having very big performance issues using Smart EQ, on M1 Mac with Logic Pro. It's even 100% unusable at 96kHz on a (not so heavy) full mix.
@@Whiteseastudio I'm having this issue on Logic Pro. Performance is a little better when I switch to Rosetta, which is weird considering the plugins are M1 native. My CPU can't keep up, even at max buffer. Also, disabling OpenGL and hiding the plugins GUI seem to improve performance (on all the "smart" bundle).
@@Whiteseastudio Right, it's done 😁 By the way, THANK YOU for your work, you're really among the best in this space, and your content is always useful and trustworthy. 🙏
nice but i will be really impressed when you can feed it the kick only and then it analyse and removes everything but the kick, like you could make a pre-session test where you hit every part of a drum so that you can feed it as a reference, then in the song it would know exactly what is a kick and remove the cymbals we hear on each kick hit.
@@Whiteseastudio excellent. I've been having wonderful results with it. Initial release was a tad buggy GUI wise (on Windows AAX at least) but they released an update almost immediately. Sits right up there with their other must-have, Trackspacer.
Sonible told me personally that they aren't nervous when Whyte makes a video about one of their plugins... now they poop bricks when Dan Worrell sets his sights on one of their plugins. And that came directly from Lord and Lady Sonible during last night's dinner, which I was personally invited to. 😏 And oh, I now own all of Sonible's AI plugins. I use their smart EQ on just about every bus in my productions.
I would like to see this be multiband, or at least I'd like to see it have the ability to shorten release times in higher frequencies. I use Fabfilter Pro-MB as my drum gate because I can set the high shelf super super short and snappy so it only lets the snap come through in the highs. You can't really combat cymbal bleed with this one.
@@queenpurple8433 yeah, that was the use case I had in mind too, but I also still have Drumatom even though Accusonus threw all their users under the bus and left me with a perpetual license that I can never activate ever again. So until it stops working, I can churn out bleed free trigger tracks for the multiband sidechain.
Personally I use standard gate, it has an fully eq able sidechain, mid side processing (with the ability to detect and process different channels, such as detecting a kick with the mid and processing the side to get rid of any cymbal wash for instance), different modes for rms window, percussive, peaks etc. it has fully variable lookahead, ratio, modes for ducking, gating, upwards expansion, oversampling. Plus it’s pretty damn cheap, it’s made by the people who make standard clip
@@donnas8408 I like plugins that are a good deal, if you really think because you got scammed for paying hundreds for something that has cheaper and equally good alternatives that your suddenly a better engineer, usually that’s the sign of the opposite, I don’t use stock plugins anymore but I guarantee all of the fancy plugins and softwares I’ve got now you could get rid of them and my mixes would only suffer slightly. Lookup standard gate and tell me it isn’t worth double the price they ask for. I don’t really see your point, are you saying because I’m not wasting my money then I’m a bad engineer? That your better because you don’t like good deals and just want the shiniest thing? That me wanting a good deal devalues any skill I may have? Or are you just making nonsensical jabs because you felt like it?
Looks / sounds promising! One thing I was looking for was gating different toms (ie tom 1, tom 2, floor tom) especially if there's a part in the song that uses a lot of toms. Not a huge dealbreaker as most of the labour intensive gating I use is on kick and snare (I usually just cut because most gating plugs fail in the nuances). Would be GREAT (and impressive) if it could differentiate between different toms tho
Bought i before I saw this, intro offer € 65,- great stuff Sonible in my humble opinion. Tried it out onm vocals where the music had bled out of the headphones into the vocal recording with great result.. Affiliate links are alright with me by the way.
Thank god we finally have a company offering an AI assisted noise gate. Because a noise gate was always such a difficult tool to use. I mean it would take me like entire SECONDS to dial it in. It was unbearable.
If they turned that into a mutliband gate - so that it only opens specific frequencies - it would be a lot better. Smart detection plus only opening on a specific range would be more valuable imo.
Is that dialing in what "it listens to" or "what opens"? I can see "Low", "Mid" and "High" buttons at the bottom of the Plugin in this video, but I haven't seen or heard it being used. My suggestion was to keep it listening to the whole signal, but being able to dial in only what opens. If this is implemented, that's great!
@@akagerhard You can choose/alter the frequency ranges and set the thresholds/suppression for each of the three bands individually. Try it for yourself - it's free for the first 30 days. P. S.: There's really a lot you can tweak in smart:gate - maybe even too much for inexperienced users. I wouldn't be surprised if Sonible would release a pure:gate plugin for 29 € in the upcoming months with simplified controls.
@@Fastvoice thanks for the information! I don't need more gates than I already have, since I'm not usually working with "real recordings" (only vocals). Demoing is a double edged sword. Once you have a plugin in one or multiple sessions you almost have to buy it, unless you're willing to invest the time to switch it for other plugins. Thus, I only demo things that I think I really need and want! I was just theoretically interested.
@@akagerhard I usually try out new plugins in copies of older sessions where I used older plugins of the same kind. So I have a good A/B comparison and don't run into the "must buy" problem you described. I even have created some dedicated example sessions with noisy tracks to try out "noise removers" and gates.
idk man. a gate without ratio and knee? no lookahead control? it sounds really unnatural like that. they should consider some more options to tweak the settings
This is why I love your reviews. You started out so skeptical, I felt I was more excited about this plugin than you, so you lowered my expectations, but then you're not afraid of changing your mind in real time and admitting it, which I think is an incredible skill and why your reviews are so transparent. So thanks for this, I don't do that much work that requires this plugin as I don't deal with that many live recorded signals (although I feel like this could be a game changer in sampling as well), but I think I'm still going to get it when I can afford it because once again sonible have smashed it! As for affiliate links, I think anyone who's watched you for a while, and for all the reasons I described above, will agree that we would still trust your review even if you were directly linking to the product that is being reviewed.
I can't wait till someone makes a proper AI-powered real-time De-bleed VST, so it could, for example, remove the hi-hat from the snare mic completely, without affecting the sound of the snare. The closest thing we have to that is Drumatom, but it's not real time and it's far from perfect. When we have that, gates won't matter as much...
The plugin looks cool, but I am very skeptical when companies use word artificial intelligence in the plugins. Simply because AI requires lots of processing power and GPU to be truly usable and to do its job. And this feels just a marketing term.. I could be wrong of course, but I feel that it's just a bit more advanced than the regular programming. There is probably a very lightweight neural network that has some kind of AI capabilities, but it's definitely not a full AI implementation. I suspect we will see the true AI whenever plugins will be able to use a GPU properly. Then we will see some nice capabilities from the plugins for sure.
I think you are right in that it is being used as a marketing term! However, I do believe that sonible is on the bleeding egde of A.I or Machine Learning or how you wanna call it 😅
It’s an ok gate, the sonnox gate is as good or better. The thing about Sonible is their customer service is absolutely awful, it’s so bad and they are so rude and unpleasant that a number of influencers on RUclips have severed ties with them just for this
anyone who cares negatively about the fact that you have affiliate links can send money directly to you to pay your bills so you can keep doing videos.
From a philosophical point of view: Now even real recorded drumkits sound like sample libraries. If you can subtract the bleed that well... what sense does it make to record a drumkit anyway? The human feel? bollocks. Record sample drums in real time, there you go. Or take e-drums to trigger the library. The sample libraries of Handheldsound for instance are so good (and big!) that you have no lack of articulations. You can even open the Hi Hat gradually with the mod wheel. I think Glenn Fricker might disagree. But if he is honest, THIS plugin makes the difference literally inexistent.
Having purchased a Polyend play after watching many videos, Bo, Cookie, Ben, everyone , only to find that the midi implementation was awful. I don’t really trust many RUclipsr anymore. However, I recently purchased the smart bundle because, the overwhelming majority say that the Smart plugins are really good. My thoughts are that a conspiracy this large would be unaffordable by Sonible😂
The thing with affiliates discourages me that you need buys to get revenue. So you are instantly in a position of an advertiser, and what advertiser wants to point out the problems in its product? (And it is not a critique for you specifically, I like your videos.) But generally I think it is conflict of interests. If you want more money you have to sell more stuff, but if you make honest reviews where you clearly point out the problems, or clearly say that X plugin does everything that Y does, then who would buy Y? Me, as an average viewer, can never know if the reviewer praises a product because it is really good, or because he wants more revenue, or because he is afraid that the given manufacturer will blacklist him in the future if he says the truth.
Great analysis, and it's something I'm keeping a very close eye on in my own business (and not just me, I've got friends that are really honest towards me). Also, lying to the audience (trying to sell people things they don't need, or that are not good), in the long term will only bring damage. It may lead to benefits in the short term, but I'm not here for the short term :-)
If you was using affiliate links to simply make money shilling, you would have countless videos on here, this is how I see it. I never see you shill on anything unless it is actually speaking for it self. Even the ones you are not impressed by you leave a affiliate link, so you are never swayed to give a good review to get more money. What you are doing is what everyone has do, they have to make a earning some how. So like a corner shop... you have coke-A-cola, you have Tango, you give your honest opinion on both... if I didn't trust your thoughts then I don't need to travel to another shop to buy it, I'm at a computer. Anyone that shops through a affiliate link on channels such as this doesn't do it blindly, they respect you and if they want something, they will do it when mindful toward you as respect just like leaving a like and subscribing. This channel is not like these million subscriber channels that basically do this through their sponsorship, which is a advert without review and that will go unminded . I think these links are fine... you at least do not do a kids TV show like expression to your videos which really undermines peoples intelligence to sell these products like is the next new flavour of Haribo sweets. I think it's a necessary thing to do for the means to continue to make this content and also I think it is a good way to take back the free advertising you give to these companies even if a review is not in their favour. It costs the same to any one that uses it also... plus you aren't making loads of it, just a extra bit of cash flow to keep your boat afloat.
Hello, I'm a fan of you and Sonible, but unfortunately I'm a beginner in mixing. I think it's great to be so enthusiastic, but at the same time so critical. I do very simple things in folk music and old hits and Sonible's plugins give me a lot of positive things. (my products: smart reverb, smart limit, pure limit, smart com 2, smart EQ, true level, true balance and now also smart gate) Unfortunately, I really miss the fact that there are no useful tutorials for the respective plugins, neither in English nor in German. Please please criticize this at Sonible as well. I subscribed to your site today and would be very happy to get some more help for my hobby. Thank you for your critical and also very expert input on Sonible's plugins. Greetings from the Ötztal mountains in Tyrol. Joseph Ribis👋👍
i think the only chance of me believing you are not just trying to sell stuff is if you also speak negatively about new releases on platforms you are affiliated with like plugin boutique
If you deal with noisy recording spaces but want to have relatively clean voice recordings (podcasts, narration voice-over etc.): Try the combination Waves Clarity vx and Sonible smart:gate. One plugin cleans within the signal, the other in the spaces between. Astonishing results.
this came in my thoughts as soon as I watched this video. Glad someone already tested. I'll check my self ASAP.
Super tip! Thank you!
I really appreciate your honesty and that you're encouraging people to make their own minds and decisions. Kant would have been proud!
While indeed Kant would be proud, I'm proud of you for invoking Kant. The guy was a genius.
That's the reason why I like this channel.
You deserve those affiliate links . It's what you built as a crédible réputation that makes it 100% legit . 👌
why am I reading your comment in french accent
Sonible is highly respected in my book and top 3 in my world of inspiration. I love the way the "Prime Vocal" plugin is going lets merge the vibe of "SplitS" from Apulsoft and Prime Vocal and this will be a top seller 100%!! WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS :-) Thanks for this review like always and I always check your page before I buy another plugin lol its getting crazy with how many plugins are out there. Sonible is always on the tip of my tongue when conversation of the best music production plugin come up. Thanks 100, I appreciate your time and effort.
I have no problem whatsoever with affiliate links, especially when you're so transparent about it. You don't see like a sales person to me but an professional audio engineer that is simply enthusiastic about all the great digital technologies out there
Hi Wytse. It does always seems a little suspect when someone has an affiliate link to a product positively reviewed within the same video. However, I always find you very transparent in your relationships to products, and thorough in your evaluations of the same. So here I generally believe it can be reasonably left up to the consumer in such cases how to weigh the pros and cons of all this for themselves. Thanks for all your efforts.
Love to see a compare video with Black Salt Audio just released SILENCER vs smart gate in mind! Or just a review on Silencer..
ALL is fair. You take out your time and personal experience to inform us so YES!! affiliate links are a HUGE thumbs up. I use them
Thanks a lot! The affiliate money is actually aimed towards making better videos. I would love to get a few musicians on board to create cool music for the videos. But one of my golden rules is that everybody that works for me has to be paid…
That's incredible! Very cool indeed
I've used Oxford Drum Gate for these kinds of tasks. But just checked out the Sonible Gate and ... (I didn't expect this) I like it better than my Oxford Gate. Seems more forgiving and flexible and faster to dial in too.
Love your videos! I’ve said it before: you enable me to spend my plugin dollars more wisely. This is a must have!
I'm still waiting for a sonible AI de-esser tbh ... would help a lot with all those home recordings these days
Today is your lucky day. :)
I'm feeling frustrated because the sonible plugins on my PC aren't working properly, except for the smart limiter which is functioning well. Unfortunately, I didn't receive any helpful support.
Especially when I first saw the "content aware" characterization, I thought "this is not actually possible except in 'manufactured' circumstances". However, after having used Sonible's smart:gate for over a month now, they have convinced me that their algorithms, (whatever they are), are "the real deal", and can actually do what they claim they can do. WOW ... Impressive, Sonible!!!
Definitely feel free to use affiliate links. At least that’s my opinion.
Thanks! A lot of creators do it on RUclips, but I've never seen the question being asked...
I believe in your honesty, so I'm happy for every penny you get :D
That's the least we can do, to give something back ✌️
@@DR4GON8IT3musicAgreed 100%
What's the downside to affiliate links? 🤔
@@DR4GON8IT3music Agreed
Wow! That is the best gate plugin I’ve seen/heard. I have the other Smart plugins from Sonible and it looks like I’ll be adding this 1 to the collection
Это просто какое-то волшебство!
Do you think you could review the new Wavesfactory equalizer? A lot of people are struggling to understand exactly what it’s function is. A video on your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
yes!
@@Whiteseastudio thanks!
For those looking for multiband gating you could always use this inside Blue Cat MB7.
Don't forget to be always objective for any product. That's why we follow you!
As I pointed out before, they thanked you for the - I think it was - pure:comp update where it had auto-gain set as the default ... so they are at the very least appreciative of you keeping them on their toes =]
So I will not be surprised if somewhere down the line, you have a smart:desser, which will set the levels at an optimum where you can tame the harshness but not lose intelligibility (i.e. not giving your vocalist a lisp). But other than that, I really can't think of anything more on the "smart" line. Basically, your virtual assistant or apprentice engineer will be named sonible =]
The thing they could make (but I think that's a long term project) is a smart:daw 😅
LANDR 👎
It certainly feels like a timesaver.
I mostly deal in MIDI with my productions, but it’d be good to have this if I ever have to deal with real drums.
FIrstly, I would never use a gate to unmix a drum mix...we use RX. Unfiltered Audio's G8 plugin has replaced all other gate plugins. This looks like a good addition...I'll have to try it out.
I trust your judgement and objectivity after watching your channel for some time, and have no problem with affiliate links.
Yep. This is a perfect example of how useful machine learning systems will be for audio production.
Great videos, my man...Thanks for explaining your monetization structure. Some people think talented, experienced experts should work for free. I got smart gate cuz my killer Stam sa-47 mk2 mic has an RF issue in my Manhattan studio. It's dead quiet everywhere else. 😞Smart gate fixes that completely. Re: affiliate links--As any pro session musician knows-"Anything worth doing, is worth doing for money" I say you deserve every penny...
Ahh, so I don't have to get my magnifying glass out when I use Fabfilter's gate now!
Tried it on full drum mix recording (LR) and it did admirable job, to separate sound sources. Bought it after 5 minutes of tweaking demo version. 😀
@Whiteseastudio Wytse, do you know if there is a facility to make User Target Profiles or if Sonible is going to include this in the future ?
There isn't one right now, they might want to do that, but I remember a conversation about how difficult it is to create user profiles...
Hi!!! Great video!! This works with obs studio?
RUclipsrs gotta eat too, no issues with affiliate links to products you trust and think will benefit the community, I'm sure enough of us ask in the comments what XYZ plugins, equipment etc you use so makes sense to have links to these things.
I concur, this is the logical purpose for AI/software learning, and should have come first in their line.....but no matter, it's here....yaaay! 🤗
This is a tool that will speed up everyone's work flow, when dealing with acoustic drums, and that's all that matters. It would take me waaaaay longer to achieve this with a stock gate, and side chaining, and freq focusing.
I've been having some good results with the Denise Audio Poltergate. It's much more flexible than the traditional gate, and gives better results. But it still takes time to dial it all in to get great results. SmartGate is the next evolution forward 😉👍
Sonible can't count on their web page. They're selling the Smart bundle now for a low price with the smart:gate introduction and still say "Four individual plug-ins in a powerful bundle." instead of 5... ahh those Austrians.
this is astonishin, would have loved hearing speech on set sound. so gating out cars and background noise etc
so to see if that + pro q eq match might make saving on set audio that seemed unsavable till now saveable.
I didn't test that yet! Let me know how it goes!
@@Whiteseastudio I will do once I can. Sadly have neither program but I have the very unsaveable audio, so... 1/3 of the way hahah.
You definitely don't seem biased here. This just seems like a great product!
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(Lewitt is the only company where I don't always get that impression from your videos.)
Good analysis. I tend to have a different approach towards microphones in general, if the build quality and such is okay, its purely about the sound. I see microphones as color’s for a painter. I’ve reviewed a lot of Lewitt microphones (because they are so willing to send me them), so that is why it looks like that. However, if you would check the Sony C-80 or Austrian Audio reviews, you’ll probably get the same vibe…
@@Whiteseastudio Hey, thanks for talking about it! I don't actually think you are being payed by Lewitt or anything like that. But I didn't get the same vibe from other mic reviews. Lewitt just seemed very present on your channel for a long time with you visiting the factory, painting your nails in the Lewitt green, having that huge microphone always there in your videos. Non of that happened with Austrian Audio for example.
This will be the best for vocals, I hope it can remove all breaths, or maybe only remove things that are not vocal and breath.
It can do both - depending on your threshold settings.
Would love to see if it can use its vocals target to isolate vox from a full arrangement.
It can't because a full arrangement usually doesn't leave enough time space for gating. You may try Waves Clarity instead. But this too can't isolate a vocal track completely. And then there's of course iZotope RX or Audacity’s Voice Reduction and Isolation or some websites with such a service.
okay, so what about the ozone plugins? which one prefer you more?
# Ozone vs. Sonible
This all begs the question, to me at least, of when we see a commercial version of whatever magical tools Pete Jackson & Co used to pull the audio for Get Back
i like the comparison with pro-G... i think there is currently no tool that does "inverse filter"... because the snare has also low frequencies (additional to the broad spectrum noise). so you really want to gate on something that has the low frequencies of the drum body but WITHOUT the upper freq part. essentially like "when there is also something in this frequency range, DON't trigger, otherwise do". i am pretty sure something like this could be wired within reaper with some clever sidechaining
I could do that in FL Studio lol
U Reaper guys really look like a bunch of fantics
Eventho i think Reaper is a neat DAW tho
@@KOjoeProduction you read too much into this. i use reaper and so i realize this could be done. i am not familiar with any other daw to tell for sure. i also realize wytse uses it as well so he would recognize what i mean. i was just stating as much as i was comfortable guessing
I think even regarding how good Sonible's other plugins are, this is the most obvious one to get for a mixing engineer.
You tried it on drums, but using it for removing/taming breath on vocals saves SO MUCH TIME. I'm testing it today and I'm pretty sure I'll buy it even before the trial ends.
By the way, if Sonible's engineers are reading this comment, I'm having very big performance issues using Smart EQ, on M1 Mac with Logic Pro. It's even 100% unusable at 96kHz on a (not so heavy) full mix.
I'm running on 96k as well, on an M1... What DAW do you have?
@@Whiteseastudio I'm having this issue on Logic Pro. Performance is a little better when I switch to Rosetta, which is weird considering the plugins are M1 native. My CPU can't keep up, even at max buffer.
Also, disabling OpenGL and hiding the plugins GUI seem to improve performance (on all the "smart" bundle).
Hmm, seems to be worth a bug report…
@@Whiteseastudio Right, it's done 😁
By the way, THANK YOU for your work, you're really among the best in this space, and your content is always useful and trustworthy. 🙏
So, is this going to be your go-to gate now, Wytse? It seems pretty fantastic.
YES!
I didn't even try it I just purchased it as soon as I saw the email
nice but i will be really impressed when you can feed it the kick only and then it analyse and removes everything but the kick, like you could make a pre-session test where you hit every part of a drum so that you can feed it as a reference, then in the song it would know exactly what is a kick and remove the cymbals we hear on each kick hit.
What do you think of the wavesfactory equalizer?
Will film that video soon
@@Whiteseastudio excellent. I've been having wonderful results with it. Initial release was a tad buggy GUI wise (on Windows AAX at least) but they released an update almost immediately. Sits right up there with their other must-have, Trackspacer.
Sonible told me personally that they aren't nervous when Whyte makes a video about one of their plugins... now they poop bricks when Dan Worrell sets his sights on one of their plugins. And that came directly from Lord and Lady Sonible during last night's dinner, which I was personally invited to. 😏
And oh, I now own all of Sonible's AI plugins. I use their smart EQ on just about every bus in my productions.
Its probably because I informed them that I loved the gate 😅
This is really cool.
This vs Sonnox drum gate?? Please help haha!!
I would like to see this be multiband, or at least I'd like to see it have the ability to shorten release times in higher frequencies.
I use Fabfilter Pro-MB as my drum gate because I can set the high shelf super super short and snappy so it only lets the snap come through in the highs. You can't really combat cymbal bleed with this one.
Great application of the Pro-MB!
I actually think it is possible in the Smart:Gate now that I think about it 🤔
@@Whiteseastudio it looks like you can change the gate "floor" per band but not the separate timings?
@@queenpurple8433 yeah, that was the use case I had in mind too, but I also still have Drumatom even though Accusonus threw all their users under the bus and left me with a perpetual license that I can never activate ever again. So until it stops working, I can churn out bleed free trigger tracks for the multiband sidechain.
If it can learn how I sound and gate other people speaking it's definitely an instant buy for me.
Great idea! They should do that in V2
Personally I use standard gate, it has an fully eq able sidechain, mid side processing (with the ability to detect and process different channels, such as detecting a kick with the mid and processing the side to get rid of any cymbal wash for instance), different modes for rms window, percussive, peaks etc. it has fully variable lookahead, ratio, modes for ducking, gating, upwards expansion, oversampling.
Plus it’s pretty damn cheap, it’s made by the people who make standard clip
@memes that’s the real reason you like plugins that costs cheap 😂
@@donnas8408 I like plugins that are a good deal, if you really think because you got scammed for paying hundreds for something that has cheaper and equally good alternatives that your suddenly a better engineer, usually that’s the sign of the opposite, I don’t use stock plugins anymore but I guarantee all of the fancy plugins and softwares I’ve got now you could get rid of them and my mixes would only suffer slightly.
Lookup standard gate and tell me it isn’t worth double the price they ask for.
I don’t really see your point, are you saying because I’m not wasting my money then I’m a bad engineer? That your better because you don’t like good deals and just want the shiniest thing? That me wanting a good deal devalues any skill I may have? Or are you just making nonsensical jabs because you felt like it?
Looks / sounds promising! One thing I was looking for was gating different toms (ie tom 1, tom 2, floor tom) especially if there's a part in the song that uses a lot of toms. Not a huge dealbreaker as most of the labour intensive gating I use is on kick and snare (I usually just cut because most gating plugs fail in the nuances). Would be GREAT (and impressive) if it could differentiate between different toms tho
Bought i before I saw this, intro offer € 65,- great stuff Sonible in my humble opinion. Tried it out onm vocals where the music had bled out of the headphones into the vocal recording with great result.. Affiliate links are alright with me by the way.
Latency?
Too much for live usage, unfortunately...
something tells me cubase 13 will have this integrated, feels like spectralayers but used in gates
Wow. Once again Sonible makes a FabFilter plugin look like an outdated Waves plugin. Love Sonible!
Thank god we finally have a company offering an AI assisted noise gate.
Because a noise gate was always such a difficult tool to use. I mean it would take me like entire SECONDS to dial it in. It was unbearable.
Can you do a review on the spirit by cradle? Please and thank you 😅
If they turned that into a mutliband gate - so that it only opens specific frequencies - it would be a lot better. Smart detection plus only opening on a specific range would be more valuable imo.
You can dial that in with great detail with three modifyable frequency bands.
Is that dialing in what "it listens to" or "what opens"? I can see "Low", "Mid" and "High" buttons at the bottom of the Plugin in this video, but I haven't seen or heard it being used. My suggestion was to keep it listening to the whole signal, but being able to dial in only what opens. If this is implemented, that's great!
@@akagerhard You can choose/alter the frequency ranges and set the thresholds/suppression for each of the three bands individually. Try it for yourself - it's free for the first 30 days.
P. S.: There's really a lot you can tweak in smart:gate - maybe even too much for inexperienced users. I wouldn't be surprised if Sonible would release a pure:gate plugin for 29 € in the upcoming months with simplified controls.
@@Fastvoice thanks for the information! I don't need more gates than I already have, since I'm not usually working with "real recordings" (only vocals). Demoing is a double edged sword. Once you have a plugin in one or multiple sessions you almost have to buy it, unless you're willing to invest the time to switch it for other plugins. Thus, I only demo things that I think I really need and want! I was just theoretically interested.
@@akagerhard I usually try out new plugins in copies of older sessions where I used older plugins of the same kind. So I have a good A/B comparison and don't run into the "must buy" problem you described. I even have created some dedicated example sessions with noisy tracks to try out "noise removers" and gates.
It's probably a generalized application of a noise reduction algorithm. Cuz once you identify the signal all else is noise.
That's a game changer.
idk man. a gate without ratio and knee? no lookahead control? it sounds really unnatural like that. they should consider some more options to tweak the settings
I would have loved to have seen this on vocals.
Works great too - even with pure narration voices.
This is why I love your reviews. You started out so skeptical, I felt I was more excited about this plugin than you, so you lowered my expectations, but then you're not afraid of changing your mind in real time and admitting it, which I think is an incredible skill and why your reviews are so transparent. So thanks for this, I don't do that much work that requires this plugin as I don't deal with that many live recorded signals (although I feel like this could be a game changer in sampling as well), but I think I'm still going to get it when I can afford it because once again sonible have smashed it!
As for affiliate links, I think anyone who's watched you for a while, and for all the reasons I described above, will agree that we would still trust your review even if you were directly linking to the product that is being reviewed.
Hmm content awareness suggests sentient software, which it is not.
That being said, it sounds damn good.
"real time" only applies to live performances.
impressive
I do beats, so samples of snare and kick are always separated lol.. kisses from South America
I think Addictive trigger had this technology years ago, but for triggering. I'm not saying it's not amazing but had to mention it :)
Rick Astley.. Wytse, ik was even bang dat je me zou rickrollen! Gelukkig was het Darude ;)
edit: typo I couldn't withstand
Gelukkig maar!
I think Oxford Drum Gate wins this round :)
219 against 65 euros - so not in the same league.
@@Fastvoice Well they are just code. I think every plugin is in same leagua. Ex. some free are extreamly good like Analog Obsessions.
I can't wait till someone makes a proper AI-powered real-time De-bleed VST, so it could, for example, remove the hi-hat from the snare mic completely, without affecting the sound of the snare.
The closest thing we have to that is Drumatom, but it's not real time and it's far from perfect.
When we have that, gates won't matter as much...
That'll probably come fast, in a couple of years at the most.
I have been wanting a better gate so bad
AI is going to be the most abused , exploited, monetized, grifted term and construct in our modern times ... as always great vid :)
if White Sea S. says this plugin is ok then it is. thx 4 the vid. ( never give up on Rick Astley 😃)
Never just believe me, always check for yourself!
so sad there is no zero latency mode like their smart eq, can't use it in live situation...
The plugin looks cool, but I am very skeptical when companies use word artificial intelligence in the plugins. Simply because AI requires lots of processing power and GPU to be truly usable and to do its job. And this feels just a marketing term..
I could be wrong of course, but I feel that it's just a bit more advanced than the regular programming. There is probably a very lightweight neural network that has some kind of AI capabilities, but it's definitely not a full AI implementation.
I suspect we will see the true AI whenever plugins will be able to use a GPU properly. Then we will see some nice capabilities from the plugins for sure.
I think you are right in that it is being used as a marketing term! However, I do believe that sonible is on the bleeding egde of A.I or Machine Learning or how you wanna call it 😅
Nothing wrong with affiliate links 🤷🏽♂️
It’s an ok gate, the sonnox gate is as good or better. The thing about Sonible is their customer service is absolutely awful, it’s so bad and they are so rude and unpleasant that a number of influencers on RUclips have severed ties with them just for this
anyone who cares negatively about the fact that you have affiliate links can send money directly to you to pay your bills so you can keep doing videos.
I like general affiliate links like you have - then it's not about the specific product you may be reviewing.
There should be an AI plugin for all the stuff we currently solve by automating
Cool tool but still cuts out the attack which is terrible for drums. Only reliable way I've found is to go in manually and edit which is a major pain.
Affiliate links… Go for it:)
From a philosophical point of view: Now even real recorded drumkits sound like sample libraries. If you can subtract the bleed that well... what sense does it make to record a drumkit anyway? The human feel? bollocks. Record sample drums in real time, there you go. Or take e-drums to trigger the library.
The sample libraries of Handheldsound for instance are so good (and big!) that you have no lack of articulations. You can even open the Hi Hat gradually with the mod wheel. I think Glenn Fricker might disagree. But if he is honest, THIS plugin makes the difference literally inexistent.
The danger of this plugin is, it can make one lazy on mic positioning, no worry we can fix it with the Sonibel plugins... !
Good joke. As if mic positioning was only about noise and bleed. 😄
Having purchased a Polyend play after watching many videos, Bo, Cookie, Ben, everyone , only to find that the midi implementation was awful.
I don’t really trust many RUclipsr anymore. However, I recently purchased the smart bundle because, the overwhelming majority say that the Smart plugins are really good. My thoughts are that a conspiracy this large would be unaffordable by Sonible😂
You didnt even test external sidechaining, literarily one if not the most important thing in gating, unfortunately it doesn't work in FL studio...
My Sonible intro offer is € 65,- . I would buy it via Plugin Boutique but... That's € 89,-
Always choose the cheapest!
It's $65, and even as cheap as $49, at Plugin Boutique depending on what Sonible products you already own.
If a plugins gets positive review from you than it's not only great but also dumbproof
I could've used this a week ago.
The thing with affiliates discourages me that you need buys to get revenue. So you are instantly in a position of an advertiser, and what advertiser wants to point out the problems in its product? (And it is not a critique for you specifically, I like your videos.) But generally I think it is conflict of interests. If you want more money you have to sell more stuff, but if you make honest reviews where you clearly point out the problems, or clearly say that X plugin does everything that Y does, then who would buy Y? Me, as an average viewer, can never know if the reviewer praises a product because it is really good, or because he wants more revenue, or because he is afraid that the given manufacturer will blacklist him in the future if he says the truth.
Great analysis, and it's something I'm keeping a very close eye on in my own business (and not just me, I've got friends that are really honest towards me).
Also, lying to the audience (trying to sell people things they don't need, or that are not good), in the long term will only bring damage. It may lead to benefits in the short term, but I'm not here for the short term :-)
hmm took me few seconds to break it. Maybe that’s why I’m great at QA, alpha and beta testing
How did you break it?
I did too. I put a light kick drum behind a wall of white noise, easy to break. Of course I rarely get a kick behind a wall of white noise anymore.
Advanced Mythology?
It's the best kind. Way more enjoyable.
jippie juhu :)
Shame that Smart Comp2 is so disgustingly broken still
damn I just realized that he looks a lot like Lionel Messi. I always thought he reminded me of someone and I couldn't quite put my finger on whom.
If you was using affiliate links to simply make money shilling, you would have countless videos on here, this is how I see it.
I never see you shill on anything unless it is actually speaking for it self.
Even the ones you are not impressed by you leave a affiliate link, so you are never swayed to give a good review to get more money.
What you are doing is what everyone has do, they have to make a earning some how.
So like a corner shop... you have coke-A-cola, you have Tango, you give your honest opinion on both... if I didn't trust your thoughts then I don't need to travel to another shop to buy it, I'm at a computer.
Anyone that shops through a affiliate link on channels such as this doesn't do it blindly, they respect you and if they want something, they will do it when mindful toward you as respect just like leaving a like and subscribing.
This channel is not like these million subscriber channels that basically do this through their sponsorship, which is a advert without review and that will go unminded .
I think these links are fine... you at least do not do a kids TV show like expression to your videos which really undermines peoples intelligence to sell these products like is the next new flavour of Haribo sweets.
I think it's a necessary thing to do for the means to continue to make this content and also I think it is a good way to take back the free advertising you give to these companies even if a review is not in their favour.
It costs the same to any one that uses it also... plus you aren't making loads of it, just a extra bit of cash flow to keep your boat afloat.
Sure affiliate with whoever you want. I can use your link or not.. so whatever...
Exactly
Hello, I'm a fan of you and Sonible, but unfortunately I'm a beginner in mixing.
I think it's great to be so enthusiastic, but at the same time so critical.
I do very simple things in folk music and old hits and Sonible's plugins give me a lot of positive things.
(my products: smart reverb, smart limit, pure limit, smart com 2, smart EQ, true level, true balance and now also smart gate)
Unfortunately, I really miss the fact that there are no useful tutorials for the respective plugins, neither in English nor in German.
Please please criticize this at Sonible as well. I subscribed to your site today and would be very happy to get some more help for my hobby. Thank you for your critical and also very expert input on Sonible's plugins.
Greetings from the Ötztal mountains in Tyrol.
Joseph Ribis👋👍
i think the only chance of me believing you are not just trying to sell stuff is if you also speak negatively about new releases on platforms you are affiliated with like plugin boutique
I did that before, and will do that in the future