These lenses are really designed with in-camera corrections in mind. For low budget gigs, use these lenses and record internally so the system as a whole can do what it was designed for. For high-end gigs you may record externally but then you'll need lenses that have all corrections implemented optically.
What a good discussion of the lenses this is! No doubt other photographers will have different views, but what this new subscriber wants to hear are those views and the reasons for them, thank you.
And the colour science on the s5ii is a lot worse. Everyone’s lips are bright pink and that’s not always good. Also he said the af lenses are only temporary.
Thanks for the suggestion but I'll be fine for many years with the cameras I have. I enjoy more to focus with manual focus lenses. I simply shared a reality check, about the AF performances, for the people that are interested in buying this combo. Cheers!
The AF of the S5 II is also only good(ish) for video. It's a mess for photography. I an totally fine with manual focus for many occasions, BUT the S5 doesn't have a suitable EVF or screen for critical focus. It is the reason I sold all Panasonic gear except for the 24 105 and 35 1.8 (maybe S5 III 😂).
Thanks for sharing! That’s extremely helpful to know. I use the 50mm and 85mm as workhorses for two cam interviews, which work fantastically (that is in manual focus and h264). However, I’ll be very cautious using those with ProRes RAW from now on! Looking forward to watching your 24-70mm/f2.8 review. I’m using it at work for both photo and video and love it. The only thing I’m not so stoked about is the relatively lose focus throw. It is not so easy hit the right mark when manually focusing video…curious about your experiences.
Thanks for watching! You shouldn't have problems with interviews, even if you film in ProRes RAW, as long as you keep the camera fixed. You will have more problems with B-Rolls, where you will notice weird prospectives (not a problem if you're dealing directly with the clients). Stay tuned for the review of the 24-70! Love this lens 😍
Hey man, thnx for this!. More and more lenses depend on the in-camera corrections. Even for example the nikon z top workhorse 24-70 2.8 has some serious flaws without them turned on.
That's what I was looking for!!! I'm same s5+bRAW user. I find that IBIS works best with no distortion lenses (for example 15mm) and horrible with lenses which have distortion (and because of rolling shutter post stabilization also isn't perfect, if even possible for wide angle or dynamic shots). But anyway I don't see better options for individual film maker now.
Thanks for honest review, got mine 35mm copy - i'm glad - for hobbyist it's ok, but still I like manual vintage carl zeiss more :) Would nice to hear your review about Sigma 24-70 ;)
Hello. Thank you for confirming that distortion problem occurs in 1.8 prime lenses during braw shooting. Unfortunately, however, I am making up a lens with 1.8 prime lenses. What lenses do I need to use in a situation where I need to take a braw shooting and AF, so won't the above problem occur? * I would like to change the set to 24-70mm s pro lens and 16-35mm s pro lens and 50mm s pro lens if there is no distortion issue.
You're welcome! The Lumix 20-60mm and Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 don't have the variable distortion when you change the focus point. I've no idea about other lenses because these are the only ones I own...Cheers!
I think it may be sample variation, my 50mm and 85mm S are very sharp wide open, much sharper than my 35mm F2 Sigma or my M43 25mm/45mm Olympus Pro. And the AF is super fast and accurate on the S5II, they are bad only on the S1/S5/S1H.
Yes, it seems like there are some copies of lenses that aren't performing at 100%. I had 4 50mm f1.8, 2 were good, 1 had very bad and harsh bokeh and the other one had strong blue fringing and astigmatism....
I have been starting searching this issue when I saw a review from Chris and Jordan back when they are at DPreview compared Sigma and Lumix 24 and 35mm lens, but cannot figure out what happen exactly, thanks for your explanation, I may still consider some of their f1.8 primes, as the new 100/2.8 looks really interesting to me (300 grams macro lens with f2.8), hopefully that one don't have the same problem, and I don't shoot RAW for now, so it is a tiny bit ok to me. Thanks to your serious and knowledge reveals. have a nice day!
Yeah I had exactly the same! When I watched that comparison video I was very disoriented by that warped focus pull on the Lumix S lens ahahah. Maybe rent some of these lenses first, or buy them from a store where you can return within a few weeks. I think almost everyone can live with this big amount of distortion in wide angle lumix s lenses...I'm used to shoot with zeiss and leica lenses, that's my problem and that's why it's too noticeable for my eyes 😅
@@LucaBono.Studio Very Accurate eyesight~ I have a Helios 58/2 and love it, maybe will also jump to some m42 Zeiss lens to have a try. A Lumix lens is more about autofocus and gimbal to me, perhaps I will rent it first. Thanks~
Hmmm, very interesting. I just so happen to have the exact same set of lenses that you've mentioned and I even gave it a try while watching your video. I don't really see the same focus breathing as you are experiencing at 6:30. Mine stays at the same place throughout the whole manual focus length. Mind you that I'm fairly new to photography in general so it might be that I'm missing something. Also, I've purchased the S5II +35, 50 and 85mm 3 weeks ago, so it might be that I just have a newer revision of those lenses. I also haven't noticed that much chromatic aberration, but again I'm fairly new to this. Cheers 🍻
When I see what's happening at 4:30 I'm laughing 😅. Just buy the s5 ii and you will never see this bad autofocus. In my opinion nobody should buy a lumix camera older than s5ii
I am actually looking for some ‘character’ glass, may be even cineglass. What are from your experience lenses that make your video heart skip a beat? Thanks for replying.
Ciao Luca, thank you for sharing your experience! I love your videos. Can this behaviour be compared to the one of the S24-105 or is it much stronger? And which manual lenses do you prefer to use?
Thank Francesco! Ironically, the 20-60mm doesn't have this problem and I believe that's the same for the 24-105mm f4, but I'm not sure about it! My favorite manual lenses are Leica R, Zeiss Classic and the new Meyer Optik Gorlitz...They're all having a different look and, because I work as DoP/Director, I can't stick with only one brand of lenses 😅
I'm considering getting either the 35 or 50 and something that you don't mention here is that they're both some of the cheapest native AF L mount lenses with reasonably large apertures that one can get.
@@LucaBono.Studio It rarely does, that's why I think it's important to point it out. I'd ask anyone who expects ~500€ glass to perform like ~1000€ glass whether they're nuts. 😅 It's also about use cases. I'm about to get a used 35mm for 25€. Do I expect to ever shoot anything with it? Hell no. I need it to test field of view and dof, to figure out whether a decent 35mm would be useful for me. Thanks for letting me know that the 50mm has the least distortion!
Thank you Luca for this review. I have the 50 and 85mm lenses. There are many reviewers that actually rave about the lack of focus breathing with this line of lenses. I can't recall any that mentioned that this was due to digital correction in camera. Not a problem with in camera recording but something to be very careful about with external recorders. Post pandemic I haven't been doing much video work with my mirrorless cameras but when I did I always recorded to an Atomos recorder and backed up internally. I'd then hand off the Atomos drives to the client. Good to know this. Thanks again!
salve luca volevo un consiglio in merito a quale area di messa a fuoco mi consigli per panorami su lumix s5 di solito utilizzo la risoluzione a 96mp in camera attendo tua risposta grazie.
These lenses are really designed with in-camera corrections in mind. For low budget gigs, use these lenses and record internally so the system as a whole can do what it was designed for. For high-end gigs you may record externally but then you'll need lenses that have all corrections implemented optically.
Exactly! Thanks for watching ✌🏻
What a good discussion of the lenses this is! No doubt other photographers will have different views, but what this new subscriber wants to hear are those views and the reasons for them, thank you.
Thanks for watching! I hope the video was helpful
thank you for your honest feedback, yes the 24-70 sigma would be interesting
Thanks for watching!
Bro, just buy the s5 ii. The pdaf is amazing for video. You will not regret it
He's talking about focus breathing with these lenses - s5ii won't solve that.
And the colour science on the s5ii is a lot worse. Everyone’s lips are bright pink and that’s not always good. Also he said the af lenses are only temporary.
Also much better to just save up and pay double for Leica sl2s
Thanks for the suggestion but I'll be fine for many years with the cameras I have. I enjoy more to focus with manual focus lenses. I simply shared a reality check, about the AF performances, for the people that are interested in buying this combo. Cheers!
The AF of the S5 II is also only good(ish) for video. It's a mess for photography. I an totally fine with manual focus for many occasions, BUT the S5 doesn't have a suitable EVF or screen for critical focus. It is the reason I sold all Panasonic gear except for the 24 105 and 35 1.8 (maybe S5 III 😂).
Thanks for sharing! That’s extremely helpful to know. I use the 50mm and 85mm as workhorses for two cam interviews, which work fantastically (that is in manual focus and h264). However, I’ll be very cautious using those with ProRes RAW from now on!
Looking forward to watching your 24-70mm/f2.8 review. I’m using it at work for both photo and video and love it. The only thing I’m not so stoked about is the relatively lose focus throw. It is not so easy hit the right mark when manually focusing video…curious about your experiences.
Thanks for watching! You shouldn't have problems with interviews, even if you film in ProRes RAW, as long as you keep the camera fixed. You will have more problems with B-Rolls, where you will notice weird prospectives (not a problem if you're dealing directly with the clients).
Stay tuned for the review of the 24-70! Love this lens 😍
Hi Luca. I can say the S5ii is very nice
Yeah, it seems like a nice camera! Maybe one day I'll rent it ✌🏻
Hey man, thnx for this!. More and more lenses depend on the in-camera corrections. Even for example the nikon z top workhorse 24-70 2.8 has some serious flaws without them turned on.
Thanks for watching! 🤙🏻
That's what I was looking for!!! I'm same s5+bRAW user. I find that IBIS works best with no distortion lenses (for example 15mm) and horrible with lenses which have distortion (and because of rolling shutter post stabilization also isn't perfect, if even possible for wide angle or dynamic shots). But anyway I don't see better options for individual film maker now.
These lens focus are really good with S5II. S5 have big trouble with focusing ;/
Yeah, they are ok with the S5II. I agree!
Focus Breathing exists in the mechanical part of the lens. How is the codec impacting the breathing? Is it a setting in the camera?
There are digital corrections going on the cameras. In RAW video those digital corrections aren't applied in the footage. Cheers!
Thanks for honest review, got mine 35mm copy - i'm glad - for hobbyist it's ok, but still I like manual vintage carl zeiss more :) Would nice to hear your review about Sigma 24-70 ;)
Thanks for sharing! The video about the Sigma 24-70 will come soon 👌🏻
Hello. Thank you for confirming that distortion problem occurs in 1.8 prime lenses during braw shooting. Unfortunately, however, I am making up a lens with 1.8 prime lenses. What lenses do I need to use in a situation where I need to take a braw shooting and AF, so won't the above problem occur?
* I would like to change the set to 24-70mm s pro lens and 16-35mm s pro lens and 50mm s pro lens if there is no distortion issue.
You're welcome! The Lumix 20-60mm and Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 don't have the variable distortion when you change the focus point. I've no idea about other lenses because these are the only ones I own...Cheers!
I think it may be sample variation, my 50mm and 85mm S are very sharp wide open, much sharper than my 35mm F2 Sigma or my M43 25mm/45mm Olympus Pro.
And the AF is super fast and accurate on the S5II, they are bad only on the S1/S5/S1H.
Yes, it seems like there are some copies of lenses that aren't performing at 100%. I had 4 50mm f1.8, 2 were good, 1 had very bad and harsh bokeh and the other one had strong blue fringing and astigmatism....
I have been starting searching this issue when I saw a review from Chris and Jordan back when they are at DPreview compared Sigma and Lumix 24 and 35mm lens, but cannot figure out what happen exactly, thanks for your explanation, I may still consider some of their f1.8 primes, as the new 100/2.8 looks really interesting to me (300 grams macro lens with f2.8), hopefully that one don't have the same problem, and I don't shoot RAW for now, so it is a tiny bit ok to me.
Thanks to your serious and knowledge reveals. have a nice day!
Yeah I had exactly the same! When I watched that comparison video I was very disoriented by that warped focus pull on the Lumix S lens ahahah.
Maybe rent some of these lenses first, or buy them from a store where you can return within a few weeks. I think almost everyone can live with this big amount of distortion in wide angle lumix s lenses...I'm used to shoot with zeiss and leica lenses, that's my problem and that's why it's too noticeable for my eyes 😅
@@LucaBono.Studio Very Accurate eyesight~
I have a Helios 58/2 and love it, maybe will also jump to some m42 Zeiss lens to have a try.
A Lumix lens is more about autofocus and gimbal to me, perhaps I will rent it first. Thanks~
Hmmm, very interesting. I just so happen to have the exact same set of lenses that you've mentioned and I even gave it a try while watching your video. I don't really see the same focus breathing as you are experiencing at 6:30. Mine stays at the same place throughout the whole manual focus length. Mind you that I'm fairly new to photography in general so it might be that I'm missing something. Also, I've purchased the S5II +35, 50 and 85mm 3 weeks ago, so it might be that I just have a newer revision of those lenses. I also haven't noticed that much chromatic aberration, but again I'm fairly new to this. Cheers 🍻
The lenses are digitally corrected for the focus breathing distortion. If you film in RAW, you will notice the problem. Thanks for watching!
When I see what's happening at 4:30 I'm laughing 😅. Just buy the s5 ii and you will never see this bad autofocus. In my opinion nobody should buy a lumix camera older than s5ii
I could also buy other cameras from different systems...for now, cameras are in standby for me. For pro work I simply rent cinema cameras
Great review as always thank you so much keep up the good work brother 🫡
Much appreciated bro!
I am actually looking for some ‘character’ glass, may be even cineglass. What are from your experience lenses that make your video heart skip a beat? Thanks for replying.
I would go for the Leica R or Zeiss Classic...as cine glass, Zeiss CP.3 or Cooke SP3
The r summicron 35mm has risen to an anerage price of 1500 - 1800.. popular.. I ll have a look at your video about it. 👍
Check kamera-express.nl they've some cheap leica r lenses
How do you think the elmarit compares to the summicron?
Thanks again!
Thanks for your honest review, Luca. May I ask which lens(es) you are using for your product photography?
You're welcome! For product photography I use the Zeiss Apo 135mm f2 + apochromatic diopters (in case I need to photograph small details)
Ciao Luca, thank you for sharing your experience! I love your videos.
Can this behaviour be compared to the one of the S24-105 or is it much stronger?
And which manual lenses do you prefer to use?
Thank Francesco! Ironically, the 20-60mm doesn't have this problem and I believe that's the same for the 24-105mm f4, but I'm not sure about it!
My favorite manual lenses are Leica R, Zeiss Classic and the new Meyer Optik Gorlitz...They're all having a different look and, because I work as DoP/Director, I can't stick with only one brand of lenses 😅
@@LucaBono.Studio OK, thank you!❤️
what do you think about the "new" Sigma contemporary I prime lens?
Those lenses are sweet! I tried the 35mm f2 for a day last spring and I liked it. The AF is not as fast as Lumix S lenses, keep that in mind ✌🏻
I'm considering getting either the 35 or 50 and something that you don't mention here is that they're both some of the cheapest native AF L mount lenses with reasonably large apertures that one can get.
Cheap doesn't always mean good...maybe start with the 50mm, that is the "cheapest" and it has the least amount of distortion. Cheers!
@@LucaBono.Studio It rarely does, that's why I think it's important to point it out. I'd ask anyone who expects ~500€ glass to perform like ~1000€ glass whether they're nuts. 😅
It's also about use cases. I'm about to get a used 35mm for 25€. Do I expect to ever shoot anything with it? Hell no. I need it to test field of view and dof, to figure out whether a decent 35mm would be useful for me.
Thanks for letting me know that the 50mm has the least distortion!
When you buy an used Zeiss Distagon 35mm f2 for 400€, then you will understand what I'm talking about ✌🏻
What picture profile and settings are you using for photos?
Standard picture profile and single point AF-S
@@LucaBono.Studio thank you. Any in-camera adjustments for the standard picture profile? I like the details and the colors.
Thank you Luca for this review. I have the 50 and 85mm lenses. There are many reviewers that actually rave about the lack of focus breathing with this line of lenses. I can't recall any that mentioned that this was due to digital correction in camera. Not a problem with in camera recording but something to be very careful about with external recorders. Post pandemic I haven't been doing much video work with my mirrorless cameras but when I did I always recorded to an Atomos recorder and backed up internally. I'd then hand off the Atomos drives to the client. Good to know this. Thanks again!
Yeah, the problem is very noticeable if you film in RAW and it can be problematic to fix it in post production. Thanks for watching! ✌🏻
It varies between them. If you care about focus breathing, the 50mm is probably the best bet.
salve luca volevo un consiglio in merito a quale area di messa a fuoco mi consigli per panorami su lumix s5 di solito utilizzo la risoluzione a 96mp in camera attendo tua risposta grazie.
Ciao! Punto singolo in afs o in manuale sono le impostazioni che uso di più per i panorami
I never shoot raw. Probably never will. I like my f1.8 primes. The downsides are few.
Then you're good! These lenses are sweet, but they're not for everyone (IMHO)