Good video. I think it really depends your goals. You are correct in saying that D.O. school statistics are not as strong as MD statistics in terms of the MCAT and GPA. Also, the MD track strongly emphasizes research for many individuals, while D.O. schools pride themselves much more on being focused on creating good practitioners. I wanted to be a good practitioner, and I never really care to much research. My goals of being good practitioner were met by D.O. medicine and I love to do osteopathic manipulated techniques on patient to help their musculoskeletal pains. If I wanted to go dermatology or plastic surgery, it would have been more wise to go MD, but the was not my goal. As a practitioner in rural America, I feel that D.O. should be appreciated for doing a lot of the heavy lifting and serving the under served and less Urban populations in America. Yes we need highly specialized practitioners for rare diseases and complications, but the most important and widely impactful medicine is preventative medicine and primary care. D.O. does handle the majority of that and that is what the nation most needs. Yes there some stigma, but that is decreasing. Some DOs I've met are the smartest folks and best clinicians I've met. Being a researcher and a clinician are different, and just because someone isn't into research doesn't really speak to their capabilities. Also as someone who is at the tail end of residency, if patients respect you and you have an office that cares about you, you want usually don't care what big institutions think unless you want to be a top level researcher. To each their own. Peace!
Vast majority of MD do not do research and being a good practioner is emphasized even in research heavy institutions. Please provide back up for your claim that DO handles the majority of what health care needs, which I assume you are referring to primary care?
@@MDswBaby MDs are often excellent practitioners, I simply was referring to the fact that many DO schools' mission emphasizes patient care primarily while research may be more emphasized in other medical schools. I misspoke. In terms of total number of primary care physicians (which was what I meant by what healthcare needs) ACGME match rates I believe show the majority of physicians filling those positions to be MD-trained. Match results below show strong DO representation in Family Medicine, ER, Peds, OB, Internal Medicine etc. In effect, the majority percent of DOs are entering those needed fields, but obviously not only DOs. I've actually worked with a University of Washington MD who was in a program geared towards serving the underserved in rural Washington State. Great colleague. Thanks for allowing me to clarify that point. www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-Main-Match-Results-and-Data_Final.pdf
@@MDswBaby lol it’s a common fact that DOs do heavy lifting in primary care 60% of DO graduates are in primary care and less than 50% of MD do primary care. Most of MD graduates specialize. And all the top MD schools are research focused there isn’t any DO school that is research focused all medical focused
1.The current White house physician is a DO, and a Physician of Pres. Biden as well former Pres. Trump's physician was a DO. 2.Top US Navy Physician is a DO. 3. Dos are medical doctors just like MDs. 4. Dos don't use MD because it has its own label and prestige. 5. Dos learn to treat patients conventional medicine and holistic care OMT tenchique which MDs are not trained to do so. 6. Survey's says Patients are more satisfied with DO's because they can treat pains by using the OMT technique before resorting to prescription meds. 7. Do's are in any fileds of Surgery, Psychiatry, OBy Gyne, Pediatrics, Cardiology, Pulmonology, Dermatology etc.
1. Anecdotal example. 2. Anecdotal example. 3. There is absolutely no difference? Then why different names and different governing bodies?? 4. The prestige of MDs is way greater than the prestige of DOs. You know that. 5. OMT is not evidence-based. MDs also employee holistic approach. 6. Please provide the reference. 7. MDs have way higher chance to match those residencies you listed. DOs have a lot harder time getting into those fields. Bottom line: why are you lying to yourself and to others?
Here’s a slow thought from a general normal labourer DO: Panel Beater MD: Mechanic Let’s honest there’s a pecking order for a reason. Hate to be to simplistic but unfortunately the real world will sit for hours in a hospital compared to minutes at the chiropractor just saying
@@tooxtalivai0690 Your example is assuming the chiropractor knows anything about medicine…the real world will sit hours in a line waiting for a DO or MD. Not for a CHIROPRACTOR.
@@AjaySensei if you think chiropractors know anything about medicine than you’re either too unintelligent, uninformed about the history of chiropractics, or delusional to even worry about.
@@jordanterry6248 Sorry I typed that in the middle of the night. I meant to say him comparing DOs to Chiropractors is assuming a Chiropractor knows anything about medicine, which they don’t lol. They’re incomparable. Even the OMM techniques used is very different than chiropractic techniques which mostly focuses on the spine.
MD is the goal. Speaking as a DO. If you shoot for the stars and land on the moon it's all good. That is what the difference between a US MD and a DO. MD keeps all doors all options open. DO some doors will be closed, or less doors will be open for you. Competitive fellowship, competitive specialty will be harder to get into as a DO. That is the truth especially after the AOA and ACGME combined. I am grateful to be a DO but this is the truth.
I think that what you speak of may be your own internal bias. There may be a bias against DOs in some segment of the population, but this is rapidly disappearing with time. If what you say is true, then there should also be a bias against those graduates that attended a 4th tier MD school versus a 1st tier medical school like Harvard. However, there is not. No doubt, the average MCAT scores and GPAs are higher at Harvard then they are at say Temple University. According to you, the Temple University grad won't stand a chance against the Harvard grad because he is a superior student. Reality doesn't work like that. In reality, where u go to school only affects may 20% of your application to residency. Board scores, Deans letter, recommendations, all play a role in who is selected. Unfortunately, going to Harvard med school alone doesn't guarantee success. If you want to beat the Temple University grad or the DO grad with 95 percentile on their USMLE scores, your 're gonna have to work hard also, not just coast at Harvard med school. Great thing about medicine, is that contrary to what you may think, doing well on the USMLE doesn't require being the smartest med student from Harvard. It takes hard work. Any med student who was able to make it to a US med school can work hard and excel as long as they learn the material. Most osteopathic graduates want to be clinicians, not researchers, so I don't see why they really need to do research at their schools. Most physicians are just practicing medicine, not doing research. DO schools train their graduates well for what was intended...being a competent physician in the community. So if you got into Harvard, hats off to you for your achievement. For the rest of us, congrats on getting into your state medical school, osteopathic medical school, private 2nd, 3rd, or 4th tier med school. I know with hard work, you will be a great clinician serving your community.
Sorry, who did you say paid for you to apply to medical school? Your parents? 😂 Don't you have to have a bachelor's degree before you apply to medical school? Let me guess they also paid for your MCAT prep program and for your tuition to go to some "prestigious" university for undergrad. This stuff cracks me up. I had fellow students at my undergrad that were so proud of their high MCAT scores..... I would often later find out that mommy and daddy paid for amazing, but also very expensive MCAT prep programs. I wasn't a pre-med, but I had friends who were, and they would always talk about it. I wonder what programs students would end up in if everyone had access to the same prep material and you couldn't "buy" a high MCAT score or increase your chances of getting into medical school by having mommy and daddy pay for you to apply to as many programs as you want.
Although I didn't use any MCAT prep courses besides books, I can see why some parents would want to help out their kids by paying for a prep course. The score is just too important, and parents want to support their kids. I certainly would not have been able to become a doctor without having a support system. Bragging about their high score is a different issue.
THAT'S what you got out of this video?? I got that they're both the same with MDs having less resistance in terms of research. True DO schools require lower scores, but not that low that you can skate by in your undergrad.
Many DOs take MD boards and can and do MD residencies. We learn from the same basic medical science books. Every MD residency program I spoke with (and applied to) loves DO applicants. I had my pick. Been there, done it. Not speculation. If you screw around during med school, any resident can have problems in any residency, MD or DO.
White house doctor is D.O. According to Meadschool Headquarter website said not letter as long as strong med student you can go any residency.
Good video. I think it really depends your goals. You are correct in saying that D.O. school statistics are not as strong as MD statistics in terms of the MCAT and GPA. Also, the MD track strongly emphasizes research for many individuals, while D.O. schools pride themselves much more on being focused on creating good practitioners. I wanted to be a good practitioner, and I never really care to much research. My goals of being good practitioner were met by D.O. medicine and I love to do osteopathic manipulated techniques on patient to help their musculoskeletal pains. If I wanted to go dermatology or plastic surgery, it would have been more wise to go MD, but the was not my goal.
As a practitioner in rural America, I feel that D.O. should be appreciated for doing a lot of the heavy lifting and serving the under served and less Urban populations in America. Yes we need highly specialized practitioners for rare diseases and complications, but the most important and widely impactful medicine is preventative medicine and primary care. D.O. does handle the majority of that and that is what the nation most needs. Yes there some stigma, but that is decreasing. Some DOs I've met are the smartest folks and best clinicians I've met. Being a researcher and a clinician are different, and just because someone isn't into research doesn't really speak to their capabilities. Also as someone who is at the tail end of residency, if patients respect you and you have an office that cares about you, you want usually don't care what big institutions think unless you want to be a top level researcher. To each their own. Peace!
A DO was the smartest doctor I’ve ever met!
Vast majority of MD do not do research and being a good practioner is emphasized even in research heavy institutions. Please provide back up for your claim that DO handles the majority of what health care needs, which I assume you are referring to primary care?
@@MDswBaby MDs are often excellent practitioners, I simply was referring to the fact that many DO schools' mission emphasizes patient care primarily while research may be more emphasized in other medical schools.
I misspoke. In terms of total number of primary care physicians (which was what I meant by what healthcare needs) ACGME match rates I believe show the majority of physicians filling those positions to be MD-trained. Match results below show strong DO representation in Family Medicine, ER, Peds, OB, Internal Medicine etc. In effect, the majority percent of DOs are entering those needed fields, but obviously not only DOs.
I've actually worked with a University of Washington MD who was in a program geared towards serving the underserved in rural Washington State. Great colleague. Thanks for allowing me to clarify that point.
www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-Main-Match-Results-and-Data_Final.pdf
@@MDswBaby lol it’s a common fact that DOs do heavy lifting in primary care 60% of DO graduates are in primary care and less than 50% of MD do primary care. Most of MD graduates specialize. And all the top MD schools are research focused there isn’t any DO school that is research focused all medical focused
1.The current White house physician is a DO, and a Physician of Pres. Biden as well former Pres. Trump's physician was a DO.
2.Top US Navy Physician is a DO.
3. Dos are medical doctors just like MDs.
4. Dos don't use MD because it has its own label and prestige.
5. Dos learn to treat patients conventional medicine and holistic care OMT tenchique which MDs are not trained to do so.
6. Survey's says Patients are more satisfied with DO's because they can treat pains by using the OMT technique before resorting to prescription meds.
7. Do's are in any fileds of Surgery, Psychiatry, OBy Gyne, Pediatrics, Cardiology, Pulmonology, Dermatology etc.
1. Anecdotal example.
2. Anecdotal example.
3. There is absolutely no difference? Then why different names and different governing bodies??
4. The prestige of MDs is way greater than the prestige of DOs. You know that.
5. OMT is not evidence-based. MDs also employee holistic approach.
6. Please provide the reference.
7. MDs have way higher chance to match those residencies you listed. DOs have a lot harder time getting into those fields.
Bottom line: why are you lying to yourself and to others?
Here’s a slow thought from a general normal labourer
DO: Panel Beater
MD: Mechanic
Let’s honest there’s a pecking order for a reason.
Hate to be to simplistic but unfortunately the real world will sit for hours in a hospital compared to minutes at the chiropractor just saying
@@tooxtalivai0690 Your example is assuming the chiropractor knows anything about medicine…the real world will sit hours in a line waiting for a DO or MD. Not for a CHIROPRACTOR.
@@AjaySensei if you think chiropractors know anything about medicine than you’re either too unintelligent, uninformed about the history of chiropractics, or delusional to even worry about.
@@jordanterry6248 Sorry I typed that in the middle of the night. I meant to say him comparing DOs to Chiropractors is assuming a Chiropractor knows anything about medicine, which they don’t lol. They’re incomparable. Even the OMM techniques used is very different than chiropractic techniques which mostly focuses on the spine.
Great video!! I am also a DO and this is a fair comparison.
Awesome! Thank you!
MD is the goal. Speaking as a DO. If you shoot for the stars and land on the moon it's all good. That is what the difference between a US MD and a DO. MD keeps all doors all options open. DO some doors will be closed, or less doors will be open for you. Competitive fellowship, competitive specialty will be harder to get into as a DO. That is the truth especially after the AOA and ACGME combined. I am grateful to be a DO but this is the truth.
This is a perfect comparison thank tou
I think that what you speak of may be your own internal bias. There may be a bias against DOs in some segment of the population, but this is rapidly disappearing with time. If what you say is true, then there should also be a bias against those graduates that attended a 4th tier MD school versus a 1st tier medical school like Harvard. However, there is not. No doubt, the average MCAT scores and GPAs are higher at Harvard then they are at say Temple University. According to you, the Temple University grad won't stand a chance against the Harvard grad because he is a superior student. Reality doesn't work like that. In reality, where u go to school only affects may 20% of your application to residency. Board scores, Deans letter, recommendations, all play a role in who is selected. Unfortunately, going to Harvard med school alone doesn't guarantee success. If you want to beat the Temple University grad or the DO grad with 95 percentile on their USMLE scores, your 're gonna have to work hard also, not just coast at Harvard med school. Great thing about medicine, is that contrary to what you may think, doing well on the USMLE doesn't require being the smartest med student from Harvard. It takes hard work. Any med student who was able to make it to a US med school can work hard and excel as long as they learn the material. Most osteopathic graduates want to be clinicians, not researchers, so I don't see why they really need to do research at their schools. Most physicians are just practicing medicine, not doing research. DO schools train their graduates well for what was intended...being a competent physician in the community. So if you got into Harvard, hats off to you for your achievement. For the rest of us, congrats on getting into your state medical school, osteopathic medical school, private 2nd, 3rd, or 4th tier med school. I know with hard work, you will be a great clinician serving your community.
Excellent video
Good video. I am a DO and this is a good presentation
Excellent
At the end those numbers does not make a good doctor or not, I love my DO doctor.
Does a DO have to specialize
Not sure if DO who do not go to a residency can practice medicine. Typically medical school graduates complete residency.
all physicians have to complete a residency before they can practice medicine, regardless of MD or DO
i really wanted to go D.O but the world is kinda against them, I guess I'll go the MD route, anyway good video
I tried the DO and I am going back to the MD. I can tell the difference.
The world is against DOs? What lmao? That literally makes no sense.
@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired in America it doesn’t matter lmfao both are doctors and get paid the same
@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired u care too much of what others think of u lol
@@justtoolit6051 You are one of the few correct RUclips commenters on this subject! Refreshing!
Is osteopathy based on EBM? We don't have DO's in Poland and that osteopathy thing sounds a bit... shady?
Yes. As I understand it, historically they may not have been, but now they are grounded on evidence based medicine.
Now a days y'all competing with mid-level so tbh the medical profession need to learn from nurses interms of advocating for your career.
Sorry, who did you say paid for you to apply to medical school? Your parents? 😂 Don't you have to have a bachelor's degree before you apply to medical school? Let me guess they also paid for your MCAT prep program and for your tuition to go to some "prestigious" university for undergrad. This stuff cracks me up. I had fellow students at my undergrad that were so proud of their high MCAT scores..... I would often later find out that mommy and daddy paid for amazing, but also very expensive MCAT prep programs. I wasn't a pre-med, but I had friends who were, and they would always talk about it. I wonder what programs students would end up in if everyone had access to the same prep material and you couldn't "buy" a high MCAT score or increase your chances of getting into medical school by having mommy and daddy pay for you to apply to as many programs as you want.
Although I didn't use any MCAT prep courses besides books, I can see why some parents would want to help out their kids by paying for a prep course. The score is just too important, and parents want to support their kids. I certainly would not have been able to become a doctor without having a support system. Bragging about their high score is a different issue.
Great vid. MD > DO based on stats alone.
All the top programs and universities are MD. But DO is a decent back up
Thank you so much for this video. ♡
P. S. I subscribed
THAT'S what you got out of this video?? I got that they're both the same with MDs having less resistance in terms of research. True DO schools require lower scores, but not that low that you can skate by in your undergrad.
Many DOs take MD boards and can and do MD residencies. We learn from the same basic medical science books. Every MD residency program I spoke with (and applied to) loves DO applicants. I had my pick. Been there, done it. Not speculation. If you screw around during med school, any resident can have problems in any residency, MD or DO.
I prefer MDs. DOs tend to be far less competent.
True. DO’s took the back door into medical school.
Wow. Not accurate.
@@PHILLYMEDIC69the back door to your father's dump😮
You know about competence but didn't attend any medical school 😅
@@waytogo7948 I’ll consider DOs doctors when they take the USMLE rather than comlex lmao