Comet torque converter vs Chinese torque converter TAV 101 part 1
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2018
- Explanation of quality and performance between American made Tav Comet and Chinese clone .also cover maintenance and cleaning
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Replaced the broken worn out Comet TAV with a eBay China one. Was cheaper to replace than to fix the old one. Still working like a champ on my Manco Dingo.
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Yo the flip phones don't record sideways
Need a made in USA phone.
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Excellent comparison video!
I'm a customer of yours with the 30 Series clone. I will be replacing it with the genuine Comet sometime this year.
For now I bought the Comet belt, brass bushing, driver springs and green and yellow driven spring.
Very informative vid, thanks. Helped me decide - definitely going with a comet.
Thank you
Made in USA powerd by a predator motor
Lol'
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Can be powered by anything not just predator
@@MrEricgnx point is the Predator is China made. lol
@@tbonevoodoo Even a good Honda isnt American lol
In my personal experience having used both these torque converters. I much prefer the Chinese copies, they perform just as good and for the price when they go bad you can just bin them and replace really cheaply.
If you’re not stranded on n the middle of nowhere when your china rig blows up
@@Smegma_pirate What engine do you run on your rig?
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what part fails?
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A salesman if I ever saw one.
Exactly because they both work the same and these things don't fucking break LOL!
@@xaviermccloud4586 I have had a few break. But yes 100% a sales man. When he was showing the play in the parts he was much more aggressive on Chinese stuff than the USA stuff. I'd much rather have all American made stuff. But at the end of the day I ain't going to drop 300$ on a cvt I can get for 60$
@@TEXASpatriot76 I want whichever product is better and scratch what I said about these things not breaking. Front driver issues are very common.
Great video. , Great input 👍, thank you 😊
Hmmmmm one comet converter or 6 Chinese ones ,,,,made in USA doesn't mean it's worth 300 ,,it's still only 3 dollars worth of steel
Jonny Mud Mower VERY True Statement!!!
Its not the metal dumb ass, the machine work, that BTW you could never do.
Ronald Reed change your tampon ,,, anyone with a cnc can make that shit now,,,,,, don't feel stupid because you bought a comet TITTIES
@@JonnyMudMower also agree with you lol
Agree... I’ll just rebuild the Chinese one instead of paying 400$
Useful info; thanks man.😎
I have a yerf-dog with just front suspension (model 3033A) and I put a Predator 212 on it with the cheap $60 eBay 30 series TC and it vibrates like crazy up until top speed then its a nice ride. I just ordered a brand new jackshaft for it just like the one it had from the factory. Hopefully that solves my vibration issue.
Prob not true
Make sure your pulleys are lines up nice and straight so the belt doesnt operate at an angle. You want the belt nice and straight. You might need to add shims behind the pulleys to get them to line up
Chinese one held up for about a week,comet one comes on Tuesday so we'll see how long it lasts
I need to find a shop like yours in Houston Texas! I’d have a hay day their!
No you don't. You have go power sports. Save money and avoid the terrible experience involved with these people. Don't wish that on Texas
So what your saying is all I need to do is use some 40 grit sandpaper and my belts won’t slip?!
thats what im hearing haha just got one for my 10 hp techumseh haha
@@theguy497 you like to party don't cha I think if u have it low stall and engage high ratio as soon as possible it would load the 10 horse like a dyno and she will pull like a freight train
I have a Chinese clone and I will agree on thr slippage. but the simple fix I found is to mount in on the engine without a belt start the engine and take a brillopad and just gently rub a rougher finish. don't put a lot of pressure just wanna take off the silky finish.
I put a Comet on my 10 hp minibike. I will put a clone "torque a verter" on my 7 year old's kart (212cc governor in place) and it'll be fine.
Did nobody else get the cars and cameras reference!?
Good to know.
I have a torque converter comet, two new belts have broken, what is the problem? They are supposed to be custom made, I put the flat side with the flat, do you think the cover generates too much heat for the belt
Y'all need to do some more videos and start sponsoring some bigger channels. I'd love to see you guys put go power sports in check and knock them down a peg or two.
Yes thank you
They definitely need to be knocked down a few notches
So would I. And I just checked my order from Studzracing.com. Seeing that my Greyhound gaskets shipped made my day. They have a new customer now. Wish I would have bought my other stuff from them.
I'm running a 420cc predator engine with 40 series torque converter made in usa my question for the sprockets but first I'll give you my tire sizes on my 2 seater custom home built frame. Rear tires are kings tire claws 22x11-10 and my front tires are cheng skin tires 20x8-8. This is for trails but as well as yards not super steep power line hills. Now my question is would I be better off with the 10 tooth sprocket on the jackshaft and a 60 on my 1" bore live axle which would be low 40 mph or a 17 on jackshaft with the 60 on axle that gives me high 60 mph I'm looking for some speed but yet have torque to drive with 2 people or adult and child on trails and farm land. But when I ride alone I'd like some speed. Thanks from Kevin.
How much is Comet paying you ?
From Argentine very good video,we can t have things from go powers sport because only can buy in Amazon .Can you tell me which size jet i have to use un a go kart with fake Mikuni 22 in a 6,5 hp clon ,without gobernor and header pipe .thanks
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I had a 30 series Oem comet. Very good quality. But I do have to say it’s 2019 and the Chinese have enough technology to replicate a torque converter. And boy let me tell you the actual slide center piece on my actual comet Tav2 would always lock up. No matter how much I polished it...
Chinese ones have more play
I've had the Chinese clone on my ct200u with a mod 212 then on a Baja warrior with the same engine. The damn thing is always needing maintenance. The center bushing heats up and expands getting stuck inside the sleeve. It also trashes a belt from slipping and heating the belt after a day of riding. It's a serious headache. Now that being said if you run a stock engine, stock mini bike, buy the clone. I will be trying a tav30 comet next and I have a tav40 comet on my modded tillotson.
You can always try comet oil impregnated comet bushings too
I mean why not buy the cheap one and supe it up with a better bushing and add some grip so there is no slip lol still cheaper and just as good now
yo compre ese variador de velocidad pero ya se me gasto la correa.....podrian darme el link de amazon donde pueda comprar esas correas.
I have a 79cc phatmoto engine with a TAV2 30 and my back chain to my back tire dose not fit
I own both an only thing that fails is bearings. They are both using pot cast aluminum mounting plates that's are full of voids
How hard is it to break out some calipers and back up your “You can see here” statements with actual facts and measurements? I can’t see an angle difference in the sheaves. Maybe you could measure it? Maybe thickness of metal in the sheaves and frame? That slider bushing better not be oil impregnated... the fastest way to gum up a CVT is have any kind of liquid lubrication in/on the moving parts. Dry lube only.
Oil impregnated makes a big difference . Can’t Measure angles lol
I have both in the TAV2 style and the Comet is way better. The drive clutch on the clone wears bad on the 4 spline center section. The perfomance is similar but I reworked the driven spring hole location.
Very well said ! Thanks for the comment
How can the “ bell ringing front clutch pulley be silenced somewhat?
Robin Russell replace it if it is worn
Wait a sec, you guys are a huge, small engine/go kart/Mini bike performance shop from Dearborn Heights? Well dang, I'm from the Mt. Morris area, and I have a Minibike project on my hands, and now I wanna come down there to see what y'all have when it comes to parts lol
Come on down !! I ride at the mounds all the time
I would hope that a $215 unit would perform better than a $60 unit.
"Put this under the microscope"... You mean an electron microscope? I operate one and let me tell you they don't have one stashed away in the back of that shop...
At 10:11 how is the comet machined better? It is stamped. Not machined.
Only thing i dislike about these units is the don't offer it in motorcycle compatible setup for repower applications so they bolt to any small engine like a predator 420cc engine and hook up and work with the motorcycle stock rear sprocket and chain and chain alignment.
Do you guys have the stuff like gopowersports headers and air cleaner kits and so on
Mark Remillard sure do studzracing.com
The clone has a different RAMP ANGLE from the comet ...i never heard of this ramp angle so I googled ramp angle... please explain how the clone ramp angle is different than the comet... because I think you may be confused on what ramp angle means?
Hi Ben , I’ve been selling torque converters for 25 years . I would bet I have more experience then most in torque conv , 20 series , 30 series and 40 series . The video is pretty self explanatory . . There’s actually2 parts , so if you haven’t seen the 2nd part please watch it . . You need to put the two clutches next to each other and you can see the difference between the materials and you can see the difference in the ramp of the sheave of where the belt rides . It rides higher on the comet and holds better with less slippage . Hopefully I explained better then google lol . Maybe if your close to my store I can physically show you the difference or you can go out and see for your self . Thanks for watching
Funny they are different ramp angles....... looked very symetrical on the video
@@James-me5hm its actually pretty easy to tell the difference. My China converter is struggling compared to the comet my friend bought from eric here. Both motors built up to about 10-12 hp
Ben,if you have a friend that would have add a skidoo he could explain .Ramps angle are the game of power here and the secondary plate angle are combine with the primary clutch (the one on the engine) and we have not talked yet about the load spring on the auxiliary converter.This is a world the clutchs,the Chinese can cloned the material at a certain point but not the performance and durability.
Science much? Why not measure it and see what the angles are? We know a series 30 belt is 18 degrees so let's see which is closer to 18 degrees.
At 6:50 you said "it's Meteor", Comet, meteor, get it? OK Where can I get a Cat99 front clutch? I just got a new jack shaft Cat99 driven.
I can say with 100% certainty that there is oil in the Chinese driver hub. I don't know about the quality of oil, but I welded one to the backing plate for reasons and there was oil seeping out of it
I'm doing torque converters in cape Town wish we had all the spares you guys got is there a way I can order parts from you guys
Sure studzracing.com
If I have a super 30 Juggernaut on a mini bike will I gain anything going to a genuine comet Driven clutch? Also can you explain 6” vs 7” driven on the comet I heard the 7” drown is faster and higher top speed.
I like the comet better the Jug only because you can tune them . 7 “ has more torque
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The Chinese torque converter is better its cheaper and that means you can use the savings to buy a Juggernaut that would put the total cost at $174 and it would not only be cheaper than a comet but better. people think that just because they can put made in USA that they can slap a 100% markup on an item and everyone would still buy it
Whoa are you guys still operational? I need to come down to see your store. I used to live in Dearborn heights.
absolutley been here since 1957 come on and check us out
@@studzracing4312 i found the web site. Be visiting to get all kinds of bad ideas soon.
Whats the best torque converter set up you can buy for a 420cc predator on a manco xtk? The best for power and speed, again the best.
Comet does not make a bolt on assembly . If your looking for a bolt on we make a custom kit for 470.00 . Give us a call would be happy to help you
@@MrEricgnx does it come with a reverse gear box?
For most of us backyardigans, the Chinese clone is gonna get the job done. Obviously people who are buying parts to put on a competitive kart or bike are gonna spend the money on the best, but for most of us, it's not nearly that serious.
exactly, if it can get around 20+ miles without much issue and you can save $130, give me a fkin break lol.
Best answer I’ve read so far.
Id like to put a torque converter on a 197 cc diesel engine, should i go with a 30 series or 40 series due to torque
30 series of its 3/4 inch crank
What about the 3/4 to 1" adapter with stepped key?
I just don't want to rebuild it like 6x
I wasn't really concerned until I saw a guy with a diesel engine that really Boggs down, let me see if I can find the link.
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If it’s 1” use a40 series not an adapter
How much this part's
It's funny how he is talking smack against the Chinese ones because the Comet is made in the "good ol' USA." I could buy 3 Chinese torque converters than one Comet. They're almost identical.
And all 3 of them will not perform close .performance is not the same
@@MrEricgnx next to identical performance wise a third the price
@@michaelchambers6273 not of your have to buy 3 of them lol
212cc predator.
Exactly which is a China clone of a Japanese Honda lol
Can I put a comet pulley on my chinese?
Daryl Mcalister sure can
"We played with them and we know the comet is better."
We deal with a lot of performance here and there is most definitely a difference in quality , longevity, and performance . I see you also compared the quality of a predator and a Honda gx200 . If you don’t see the difference there your not much of an engine builder either . Night and day difference from the crankshaft to the castings lol
I just ordered one. So I should be happy with the Chinese one?
@@MrEricgnx Yep. And I bet a lot of people commenting are noobs when it comes to all this and yet they think (actually feel) they know more than people who have been doing this for decades. The OP actually thinks that genuine OEM GX200 parts are in the 212's. lol.
@@MrEricgnx um whats the difference thw Predator is made in China and the Honda gx200 is made in Japan, and Thailand. Neither are American made ans no quality differences. They both run very well.
@@tbonevoodoo Japanese made products are top quality. Honda, Toyota, Kawasaki, ect… all Japanese.
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The comet is much better ...... I was amazed at the difference .... after the 2nd Chinese one I toasted I bought a comet that was used off eBay and its still cranking away..... I had know idea the comet was made in the USA
what part fails?
@@lazycarper7925 ...... the heat starts to affect the springs allowing the weights to bring the two halves together to soon sending it into a higher ratio to soon then the belts starts to slip and gets even hotter sand kinda warps the the belt surfaces and starts to harden the outside edges of the belt then it just progressively gets worse
@@bugbomb8048 Are you running a way too powerful motor. Sounds like ur motor is 10hp and ur running a 6.5 Torq converter.
Where can I get these Chinese ones? Asking for a friend
We carry them at studzracing.com
Don't get me wrong, but I Like America. I used to work at a go-kart track and we used to buy American gearboxes (for Karts with four clutches like a motor cycles and one drive gear joined buy a chain). The first thing we did was throw away the chain and modify the clutch basket so they'd last more than two laps. We also had an American Hoist that lasted about a week before the hydraulics died. So just because its American don't mean jack. At 14mins sliding those bushes in the clutch up and down is deceiving as they don't slide anywhere near that much when running.
These the ones that are $215 on the website now?
Yes
@@MrEricgnx is that kit direct bolt on for my new ct200u-ex?
Man wheres your shop located i been haveing troble on my monster moto mini bike thanks
Andrew Abreu Studz powersports
4457 s telegraph Dearborn heights mi 48125 . Come on by or call us anytime 3135631058
Engine swap it I just did it to mine it's not worth fixing I took a Briggs and Stratton intek 6.5hp OHV pressure washer engine and one of these Chinese comets and extended the chain and now the bike hauls ass with no issues its well worth the effort for a swap and it's fairly easy
Do you guys have a number so I can ask questions using a 40 series torque converter on a 439cc champion motor
Darrell Kizzee call 3135631058 10-4 mon - Friday
MrEricgnx thank you sir will do it is greatly appreciated
Where are you located
4457 s telegraph Dearborn heights mi
Studzracing.com
Is Hilliard Extreme Duty Clutch good for a Colman bt200x with a tillotson Engine?
Jacob Sebastien thats a good clutch to start with . You can always upgrade down the line
What is the price difference between the 2 ?for a 1 inch shaft on the engine and the smaller one ??
i am curious too read it!
where can we go to see the american made kit.
thanks
Gervais
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Because its a lil better doesnt mean ya have to be so greedy with price. 🤷
MrDavidelliottjr
We are the cheapest around . Sells for 220 we are 20.00 less
I doubt it. I can tell lol
I believe comet stopped making them.
No not at all ! We are a comet dealer
What's the price gap 😅🙏 whoops just got to that part of the video...
I tried calling y'all about the lights setup, it was a quick vid. Well I called to try and order one for my minibike. Boy, I tell ya I have never been dealt with like that. Thank you for the vids but I will not do business like that.
Nestophallies , what happened when you called please explain . I was working today at the counter and never took a call regarding kit
@@MrEricgnx it was about 2 months ago or so and the gentleman I spoke with was short with me. He told he never heard of it and did not know if or when it would be available. I figured I called at a bad time so I let it go. We all have bad days, to that I completely understand. I have since embarked on recreating the lights package myself. Your video was spot on and I was highly interested in them. The gentleman in the video which I believe is the same in this video explained everything about the lights and $50 was the price to which I thought was very fair for the package. Said to call or come by. I live in Mobile Alabama. Being I'm from the Deep South I called. I would love to see a tutorial on how y'all put that together because again it is a jam up idea! Thank greatly for your response.
Wow I’m very sorry to hear about your bad experience . That’s me in the video lol . I’m Eric , not sure why someone at the parts counter would not be familiar with it . Maybe we were short handed or someone was on lunch either way no excuse . We have since added a wiring schematic . They are all on our website studzracing.com
It's ok I still watch the videos when y'all do post and will continue to do so as I enjoy the information provided. If in the course of time, I find that y'all are providing a particular product I need, I will try again. No foul. Thank you for the link to the schematic, I great appreciate it. May God bless you and Studz for a prosperous New Year.
Any online store to order parts and parts?
OMAR JDM we are currently building our site , you can pm Studz hardware / power sports or call 3135631058 we would be glad to help you
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i keep shredding belts, my pulleys are aligned and have no idea why i keep going through belts so much
get a kevlar one
Jam on the gas get it moving. Don't give the belt a chance slip. If you slip the belt on take off you'll be buying new belts regularly. My kids kept burning up belts on a go-cart until I taught them this.
Chris Browning thanks for the tip. Never heard anyone talk about that before.
@@summerrain3403 He's exactly right. Same thing for old school clutches. You have to gas it and go. Don't baby the throttle.
I need a 669 belt
wont work on an engine that has 2 oil filler tubes with out cutting off one or 2 of the braces
This guy in the store up the road used to say the same thing about the ballasts from the chinese because he could not sell his for 300 more than the chinese ones. And he was always saying i offer a warranty and people are asking me to fix their cheap ones. I just laugh at him and he sold his business because all he was doing was ordering from a magazine and putting the price on there they tell him to put on. What happened to someone actually running a business not a mary k from a store front that is the difference. Alot of business owners are lazy and they go under because of that. Bottom line.
Yeah, a lot of the local business owners telling everyone to "buy local" is buying their crap from china too. They're just mad they can't take advantage of us.
Lol i have a $50 ebay torque converter and i buy a 5 pack of belts for $30
OMB Warehouse has the same one for $42 cheaper
I will stick with comet. That’s what I have currently.
Chinese or comment I think I'll go with Chinese you could buy three Chinese ones for the price of one comment
Adam Carpender not just the price , difference in performance as well .
You must be running a stock motor then
Great advice, thanks
Wish I could get my order faster than a month
Order from where ? We have comets in stock and are shipping daily
@@MrEricgnx Forward power sports. I ordered on December 2nd with a 3 day guarantee but I finally got it January 2. I have ordered 200 bucks to sometimes 100 depends on what I needed and could afford. I have 3 orders out their somewhere. They were usps express priority 2 to 3 days to be fair. One was out for delivery Saturday and went to arriving late so may come by end of week. I usually UPS or FedEx but they handed off last mile.
What does TAV stand for, in regards to a torque converter clutch?
Torque-A-Verter its the comet name anyway.
@@shaunmulkey1990 Thank you
I've got a question. Why are these so expensive? I bought a 301cc motor for 260, I went to buy a torque converter and it cost me just as much.. I'm sure there are less parts and less work that goes into them, so why are they so fcking expensive?!
ryeguy54 the engine you bought I’m sure is Chinese . Find a quality Honda engine and you’ll see its 500-700 dollars . Same thing here . Comet is made in the usa . It’s been around since the early 70s . They have been that price for at least 10 years . You get what you pay for
I bought my 420cc predator engine 317 with tax and 40 series torque converter kit for 232 off Amazon 218 before tax from All-Terain but that's a 1" bore kit. There's no difference between usa or china it's all based on your maintenance don't fall for these guys at gopowerusports they are way over priced and rude as f on the phone. Look how they say buy a honda hmmmm it's china motor to the predator engine is the Honda clone for good budget.
I thought this was Big John McCarthy forra min :P
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Getting hard to find predator motors and they're going to disappear. I stopped buying CCP merchandise after Wah** gave us THE gift that keeps on giving. BuY 🇺🇸 support your neighbors not the PLA.
I use comet 40 but most of my belt slip
Which American brand cvt can I replace it with to get the same power for a 13 HP. Motor
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Thank You!
Even China Knows that with Their 4k HUA WEI SELL PHONES. =)
Grasping at straws to show differences. This one is better since it is made in USA. PUHLEASE
Have you not ever heard of differences in metal alloys?
I was the 1000 sub lol
isnt it a cvt not a torque converter?
Erick Casillas they call them a torque converter, a thing in automatic transmissions in cars that works like a clutch, but is VERY different inside, but the torque converter acts as a CVT, I also wondered about that too. You can google a torque converter cutaway to see what it looks like, it uses the transmission oil to work, it’s kind of like having one fan on and putting one in front, which then gets turned by the air from the fan behind it.
This soup im eating, is way too hot.😅
Not a lot of difference and for the prices big difference.
I’m gonna buy a comet now
What size bolt on the crank shaft cause they sent me the wrong bolt annd now i have to tap the bolt hole
Sam Phillips 5/16 24 is the most common size
хочу этот комплект! срочно!!!
all i here we dont sell these so buy the one we sell
Incorrect ! I sell them all . Import and USA made comet
It’s no wonder Comet went out of business! eBay 57. Comet 200. Really!!!!!!
Captainkleen you definitely get what you pay for . Most people get it with these torque converters . We can’t even keep them in stock . If you just using it in the backyard Chinese one will work . Comet has been back in business and they are rocking that’s for sure
Well one thing I can say for sure is the Comet belts are definitely hands down 110% better than Chinese CTV aftermarket belts that wear out very quickly. You are right I just build small engines as a hobby and don’t have much time to play around with CTV’s I’m old school and like a good clutch but if I was using a CTV I would use the Comet belt people tell me their on their 4th belt on the Chinese knockoffs but I’d imagine they would go a lot longer on a Comet belt. Like I said I wouldn’t pay 200 for a CVT unless I had it on an engine I built that I would keep but I still like a good strong clutch that’s just me and I don’t even own a CVT.
I actually like the Chinese tav2. It works great. It's the Chinese 40 series that really sucks. I've had to buy real comet stuff after the Chinese stuff doesn't handle any power or function correctly.
Why is the Wisconsin so $ exp. Compare to Chinese? USA charges more we'll be poor soon. We need China.
I think what the "jUsT As GoOd" crowd is missing is that it really depends on your engine. My Chinese driven pulley worked fine for my stock engine. However, after swapping for a built Tilly (probably pushing close to 15HP) the stock driven failed. It developed excessive play, and would immediately downshift after I came off the throttle. With my low gearing, this made the bike aggressively engine brake, which was terrifying and difficult to control. Yesterday I swapped on a genuine driven from Studz and it was night-and-day. The bike pulls better and actually coasts when I let off the throttle now. If I hadn't already upgraded to a juggernaut, I would probably go with a genuine comet pulley for my driver pulley as well.
Lol " the Chinese are good at copying" lol...