I have a utility vehicle I made using a 212 with $55 TC. Ive pushed vehicles with it and had 6 people piled onto it at one point. I had the same belt on for about a year until I replaced it for preventative maintenance.
I guess a clone TC would wear out faster than the real deal but otherwise I don't think it's too much of a difference. Also the spare parts would be probably cheaper for a clone TC as well so..
NP! I've come across that before but have never bought one myself to see how much of a difference it makes. For what I do the stock spring does the trick.
@@MarcelsWorkshop did you ever learn anything on the yellow spring? I can find the green but not the yellow, if you have any advice on the springs it would be much appreciated. Also what is the difference in the holes that you showed in the first part of the video where the spring goes in??
@@stinkyvonfishstix4196 Nah I've never looked into the springs, sorry. The 3 holes set different tension levels on the spring, 1 being low 3 being high. The more tension, the higher the rpm it takes for the torque converter to open up and switch into "high gear". So if your doing a lot of climbing and stuff you probably want to stay in "low gear" longer for maximum power, therefore want more tension. But if it's on like a go kart just doing paved tracks you would probably want less tension to ensure it can quickly and easily shift into "high gear" for maximum speed. Too much tension may result in it never being able to build enough rpm to fully open, so would be like having a 5 speed vehicle that can never get past 4th gear.
i've used both types, the comet has a better casting and better bearings than the clones and the comet also seems to resist dirt and mud better. depends what it's used for, if i was building something just to thrash around on i'd go with the cheaper clone but if i was building something i planned to drive across the country i'd go with the comet.
The chinese ones are by far better for the money. I bought the chinese one for around 80 USD and have been using nonstop for 2 years. The trick is to do regualr maintenance on them. The only issue were the bearings that lasted close to one year but some simple high end bearings for about 8 bucks each did the trick
heres the problem with the china mades vs comets, you can buy 4+ complete china made setups for what one comet costs. I have had pretty good luck with the china mades, same for the belts. I just bought one true comet belt and for the same exact price i got 6 china belts. we'll see if the extra money for the comet pays off, i am skeptical. I like to buy American/from American companies when I can but it has to make fiscal sense too.
Bought an oem comet. $196.00 with free shipping from omb warehouse. Comets quality control is spot on. You will have zero quality control on an aftermarket.. BUY ONCE CRY ONCE.
I bought an 80$ one off amazon....hopefully it works ok...i read the bolt doesnt fit the 212 crankshaft so i bought a 24 thread 5/16 1.25 bolt and it should do the job...
@@MrNoguirre 4 mount to the engine to hold the cvt itself onto the motor...then one goes in the threads on the crank to hold the other part of the CVT together
I got the clone off eBay for $50 shipped....I did buy a higher quality belt for $22....installed it on my mini bike with a stage 1 212cc predator engine and haven't had an issue since...I did have to order a 1 inch engine riser kit for $20...
You have to do the same thing to the comet if you want higher RPM belt shifts. The Comet comes with the green spring which has the lightest tension. The China CVT's come with the heavier red spring which works better than the green spring.
I'm in Canada, my speeds are in Kilometers not not Miles lol. No way these could ever go 70mph without an engine swap or a super serious complete engine rebuild from scratch with all the highest performance parts you can get. 😛 The best these stock engines can do is about 53mph after regearing the bike for speed and loosing most of your bottom end.
I have to agree comet and gopowersports is waaaaaaay over rated I been running a clone for 4 years and still going strong. My friend is upset because he spent mad money on a comet and had to replace clutch 2times already now he's running a clone and has money in his pocket to go hit the trails with us every weekend. F comet 😊
@@ANONYMOUSANONYMOUS-bf2xk agree, if you do order from gopower hope they get your order right , I see a lot of people receiving hafe of they’re orders.
@@mgoody8782 I'm finding patience is key. I'm not joking, I go as far as to watch the weather besides the usual monitoring of sales patterns these days.
@@ANONYMOUSANONYMOUS-bf2xk I agree with everything you're saying except the f comet part, if it wasn't for them the Chinese wouldn't have had anything to clone. It's just like Honda they're expensive but if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have our clones!
@@MarcelsWorkshop Hello friend great video congratulations on the comparison I am about to buy a torque converter I would like to know what is the difference between a torque converter and a centrifugal clutch? will the torque converter always gain more speed?
@@xani123123 Thanks! A centrifugal clutch is like locking your car in 5th gear and never changing it, whereas a torque converter is like an automatic transmission and changes gears depending on the situation. A torque converter wont necessarily be faster top speed then a centrifugal clutch but it will get up to speed quicker and give you way more bottom end climbing power.
Get a Juganaught CVT clutch from Go Power Sports. They have 3/4" and 1". It's like riding in the 21st century, they're built really well made part, smooth acceleration, strong engagement, and your engine will love the RPM change.I've been running my MTB, using a Predator 212 with the Jugernought for 2 seasons now and I love it. It's night and day difference, and I'm a retired tool& die maker, and machinist with 45 years experience, and I know quality when I see it. You won't regret it.
Hmm sounds intriguing, but on the site it says "This driver is recommended to be used with higher RPM engines, Stage 2 or higher. On a stock motor running at 3600 RPM you will NOT see any difference in performance and it may effect top end MPH" The most I ever go on these engines is stage 1, so probably not a good investment for me personally. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop In my opinion the Juggernaut turns the 30 series into a glorified jackshaft. There's gear reduction after the belt shift. It never gets to 1:1. The gearing does work very well for those who want to turn high RPM. I'll never get one. I get very good performance with the stock driver and my gearing choice.
LOL! I was looking at the speed on the little device during the speed test and I was like...WTH?!? This dude is doing 78 MPH on a 196CC with basically a stage 1 kit and a torque converter. How is that possible? Then I saw where it was actually reading KPH. Now THAT makes sense. 47 to 48 MPH is very respectable for the upgrades done. I guess I'll have to go Chinese made to start with then hope I have enough money to invest in the Comet by the time the Knock-Off implodes.
haha yeah I get that a lot. Everyone always assumes my speed tests are in mph. 😛 With the price difference you can get a couple knock offs for backup and still be cheaper then the comet lol.
Don't have other bikes to test them on. The belts were new. Don't think buying a brand new comet for the comparison would of made any difference, there's nothing wrong with the one I already had, other then some surface rust in places that don't affect performance.
Hello Marcel i from Argentine todas i bought clone torq converter ( it s imposible buy other is the only that we have) You madre a Great video , i have a go kart with a6,5 hp clon without gobernor and exaust and fake Mikuni 22 do you now wich size of jet i have to put , Sorry for my english .Thanks
Sorry, I don't have any experience with that carb so not sure what would be a good jet size for it. I've only re-jetted the stock carbs that come with those engines.
@@kellyedington8716 Thank YOU for THIS answer. I just bought a Mikuni and know shit all about minibikes or carbs. I have a grom but that's a real bike lol.
I have a clone and one of the big things I noticed is the pinging at idle… not a fan of the sound but the tc seems to work well have not had to replace the belt yet after 1 summer of driving it
@@MarcelsWorkshop we are! I picked up one of the 30 series juggernaut drivers and the pinging is gone!!! The aluminum slide weights in the clone where really worn out after one season
So I figured out I have one of these on an old 3 wheeler of mine, can anyone explain what they're for and why I have one? Does it ratchet under heavy load? Is it for reversing?
On Amazon a 30 series is under 150 a 40 series is 232 with tax. 30 series is for a 301cc and under 3/4 crank shaft, 40 series is for 420cc and higher 1" crank shaft. Both torque converter kits sold on Amazon. I just bought a new 40 series for a new build I'm doing and I paid 232 with tax.
Are the bikes still running did u have any issues or blown engine and did u change the billet rod and billet flywheel or is it stock and where can i buy that 92 jet
Yeah I've never had any issues with the bikes. Everything is stock other then the changes mentioned in the video. I got my kit here: www.kartworks.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=259_261&products_id=2165&zenid=25bic9uibrjjejo0olhorlo2d5
They are made by Baja Motorsports, which I feel like doesn't exist anymore considering every product on their site seems to be discontinued. :P They are this bike: www.bajamotorsports.com/categories/minibikes/products/baja-warrior-mini-bike and this bike: www.bajamotorsports.com/categories/minibikes/products/mini-baja
It's just the decorative one that comes with the bike. It's not functional. It just uses the small tank built into the engine to actually hold the gas, the same way your bike does. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop thanks. It's so small that I want a PROPER tank ie 2 gallon. I love riding it but am down about 1/3 of the stock tank by the time I get to my preferred trail head.
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors Yeah it is pretty small. I never venture far from the house though so it has never been an issue for me. You could always just bungee cord a small 1¼ Gallon Gas Can to the bike and fill up on the trail haha. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop yea I've got longer loops planned. I've got a series of 300 km of trails I can hook together so the stock one sux. I've got a 1 gallon tank I bring but would like more for a overnight cruise
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors Oh wow, 300km on a mini bike would be quite the adventure! But yeah the stock one would definitely be too small for that. You could probably replace the tank with the stock tank from a Honda gx270 or the 9hp clone equivalents to get you a bit further. It's the same style tank just in a 5.3L capacity instead of 3.1L. The mounting holes probably wouldn't line up though so it would probably require a bit of fabrication or a bunch of zip ties haha.
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I have a utility vehicle I made using a 212 with $55 TC. Ive pushed vehicles with it and had 6 people piled onto it at one point. I had the same belt on for about a year until I replaced it for preventative maintenance.
I guess a clone TC would wear out faster than the real deal but otherwise I don't think it's too much of a difference. Also the spare parts would be probably cheaper for a clone TC as well so..
I really appreciate your scientific review, especially for each difference details. I made my purchase decision based on this video
I don't know if I would call it scientific, just testing in different real world scenarios haha. Glad it helped!
Great research. Thank you. There's a yellow spring you can swap the red one with giving you more spring tension.
NP! I've come across that before but have never bought one myself to see how much of a difference it makes. For what I do the stock spring does the trick.
@@MarcelsWorkshop did you ever learn anything on the yellow spring? I can find the green but not the yellow, if you have any advice on the springs it would be much appreciated. Also what is the difference in the holes that you showed in the first part of the video where the spring goes in??
@@stinkyvonfishstix4196 Nah I've never looked into the springs, sorry. The 3 holes set different tension levels on the spring, 1 being low 3 being high. The more tension, the higher the rpm it takes for the torque converter to open up and switch into "high gear". So if your doing a lot of climbing and stuff you probably want to stay in "low gear" longer for maximum power, therefore want more tension. But if it's on like a go kart just doing paved tracks you would probably want less tension to ensure it can quickly and easily shift into "high gear" for maximum speed. Too much tension may result in it never being able to build enough rpm to fully open, so would be like having a 5 speed vehicle that can never get past 4th gear.
i've used both types, the comet has a better casting and better bearings than the clones and the comet also seems to resist dirt and mud better. depends what it's used for, if i was building something just to thrash around on i'd go with the cheaper clone but if i was building something i planned to drive across the country i'd go with the comet.
The chinese ones are by far better for the money. I bought the chinese one for around 80 USD and have been using nonstop for 2 years. The trick is to do regualr maintenance on them. The only issue were the bearings that lasted close to one year but some simple high end bearings for about 8 bucks each did the trick
I’ve had a clone converter for over 2 years and it was 60$ and it’s as good as it was new
How many belts do you go thru??
@@joshsmith7051 I’ve had 3 of them for 3 different builds and I’ve never replaced a belt yet
@@joshsmith7051 and it’s also 20$ for a pack of 3 belts
What size??? A 89 is to tight and a 90 is too big
@@billlee1724 i use 5959 belts
Hopefully you switched them after this testing. Though, new belts would be more accurate. If you didnt switch and go again, test means nothing.
heres the problem with the china mades vs comets, you can buy 4+ complete china made setups for what one comet costs. I have had pretty good luck with the china mades, same for the belts. I just bought one true comet belt and for the same exact price i got 6 china belts. we'll see if the extra money for the comet pays off, i am skeptical. I like to buy American/from American companies when I can but it has to make fiscal sense too.
I have 50 buck one off eBay on my son's 4 wheeler. Workd great
I got a comet duster I still got stored away which has been great. I'm using my 102 which I've gotten 20 years ago along with my 108-4. MADE IN 🇺🇸 😁
Bought an oem comet. $196.00 with free shipping from omb warehouse. Comets quality control is spot on. You will have zero quality control on an aftermarket.. BUY ONCE CRY ONCE.
I bought an 80$ one off amazon....hopefully it works ok...i read the bolt doesnt fit the 212 crankshaft so i bought a 24 thread 5/16 1.25 bolt and it should do the job...
Is it just the one bolt or the 4 that mount to the engine?
@@MrNoguirre 4 mount to the engine to hold the cvt itself onto the motor...then one goes in the threads on the crank to hold the other part of the CVT together
@@ziggybammurphy1645 did u have to buy new bolts for all or just the one larger one?
@@MrNoguirre just the one that threads into the crank itself....
Did it work?
I got the clone off eBay for $50 shipped....I did buy a higher quality belt for $22....installed it on my mini bike with a stage 1 212cc predator engine and haven't had an issue since...I did have to order a 1 inch engine riser kit for $20...
Andy P Arson what frame did you use
Joseph Bergevin the Coleman ct200u frame.
Andy P Arson ok thanks
OMB warehouse has a riser mount plate that moves engine forward so you don't have to cut the cross bar on the Colman frames
What size belt??
Those China CVT clutch you have to do the rear gear spring so thay dont open to soon and thay will be the the same or better
You have to do the same thing to the comet if you want higher RPM belt shifts. The Comet comes with the green spring which has the lightest tension. The China CVT's come with the heavier red spring which works better than the green spring.
im just blown away that you got 70 mph out of these stock 196cc engines
I'm in Canada, my speeds are in Kilometers not not Miles lol. No way these could ever go 70mph without an engine swap or a super serious complete engine rebuild from scratch with all the highest performance parts you can get. 😛 The best these stock engines can do is about 53mph after regearing the bike for speed and loosing most of your bottom end.
get the clone buy 40 bucks in beer give your wife 200 for shoes or somthing and everybody is happy or pay 300 for one comet hmmmmm
haha great thinking
I have to agree comet and gopowersports is waaaaaaay over rated I been running a clone for 4 years and still going strong. My friend is upset because he spent mad money on a comet and had to replace clutch 2times already now he's running a clone and has money in his pocket to go hit the trails with us every weekend. F comet 😊
@@ANONYMOUSANONYMOUS-bf2xk agree, if you do order from gopower hope they get your order right , I see a lot of people receiving hafe of they’re orders.
@@mgoody8782 I'm finding patience is key. I'm not joking, I go as far as to watch the weather besides the usual monitoring of sales patterns these days.
@@ANONYMOUSANONYMOUS-bf2xk I agree with everything you're saying except the f comet part, if it wasn't for them the Chinese wouldn't have had anything to clone. It's just like Honda they're expensive but if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have our clones!
Thanks! I just bought a clone but haven't installed it yet.
Man, that exhaust looks like it came from under a sink !
cuz it did lol
@@MarcelsWorkshop Hello friend great video congratulations on the comparison I am about to buy a torque converter I would like to know what is the difference between a torque converter and a centrifugal clutch? will the torque converter always gain more speed?
@@xani123123 Thanks! A centrifugal clutch is like locking your car in 5th gear and never changing it, whereas a torque converter is like an automatic transmission and changes gears depending on the situation. A torque converter wont necessarily be faster top speed then a centrifugal clutch but it will get up to speed quicker and give you way more bottom end climbing power.
Get a Juganaught CVT clutch from Go Power Sports. They have 3/4" and 1". It's like riding in the 21st century, they're built really well made part, smooth acceleration, strong engagement, and your engine will love the RPM change.I've been running my MTB, using a Predator 212 with the Jugernought for 2 seasons now and I love it. It's night and day difference, and I'm a retired tool& die maker, and machinist with 45 years experience, and I know quality when I see it. You won't regret it.
Hmm sounds intriguing, but on the site it says "This driver is recommended to be used with higher RPM engines, Stage 2 or higher. On a stock motor running at 3600 RPM you will NOT see any difference in performance and it may effect top end MPH" The most I ever go on these engines is stage 1, so probably not a good investment for me personally. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop In my opinion the Juggernaut turns the 30 series into a glorified jackshaft. There's gear reduction after the belt shift. It never gets to 1:1. The gearing does work very well for those who want to turn high RPM.
I'll never get one. I get very good performance with the stock driver and my gearing choice.
Seems the comet has a slightly higher engagement which is better
Easily adjustable with lighter weight in your pulley
Seeing test three, the rear wheel slipping shows that it has enough to get it up there
Indeed, if only it had a more aggressive tire tread or more solid ground it would of made it no problem.
I just found a great channel.Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Nice video! That really helped. Very well done
Thanks!
LOL! I was looking at the speed on the little device during the speed test and I was like...WTH?!? This dude is doing 78 MPH on a 196CC with basically a stage 1 kit and a torque converter. How is that possible?
Then I saw where it was actually reading KPH. Now THAT makes sense. 47 to 48 MPH is very respectable for the upgrades done. I guess I'll have to go Chinese made to start with then hope I have enough money to invest in the Comet by the time the Knock-Off implodes.
haha yeah I get that a lot. Everyone always assumes my speed tests are in mph. 😛
With the price difference you can get a couple knock offs for backup and still be cheaper then the comet lol.
Awesome comparison man 👍
Thanks!
Will be a good comparison with them swapped onto other bikes. New belts wld be more fair, New entire assemblies would be more accurate.
Don't have other bikes to test them on. The belts were new. Don't think buying a brand new comet for the comparison would of made any difference, there's nothing wrong with the one I already had, other then some surface rust in places that don't affect performance.
Well, 4 years later. Has the comet out lived the clone?
I probably only use them once or twice a year so the clone is still pretty much new haha.
Great vid man. Thx👍👍
Thanks!
great video and comparison!
Thanks!
Спасибо за проделанную работу!!
No Problem! :D
Hello Marcel i from Argentine todas i bought clone torq converter ( it s imposible buy other is the only that we have) You madre a Great video , i have a go kart with a6,5 hp clon without gobernor and exaust and fake Mikuni 22 do you now wich size of jet i have to put , Sorry for my english .Thanks
Sorry, I don't have any experience with that carb so not sure what would be a good jet size for it. I've only re-jetted the stock carbs that come with those engines.
MarcelsWorkshop thanks for answer ,👍
U dont need a jet with the mikuni style, the jet is adjustable
@@kellyedington8716 Thank YOU for THIS answer. I just bought a Mikuni and know shit all about minibikes or carbs. I have a grom but that's a real bike lol.
Awesome video!
Thanks!
I have a clone and one of the big things I noticed is the pinging at idle… not a fan of the sound but the tc seems to work well have not had to replace the belt yet after 1 summer of driving it
I've had the pinging on Comet TC's too. think it just comes with the TC design if we're talking about the same pinging haha. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop we are! I picked up one of the 30 series juggernaut drivers and the pinging is gone!!! The aluminum slide weights in the clone where really worn out after one season
@@joellofquist2537 Oh nice, glad you found a solution. The pinging doesn't bother me enough to want to spend money on a fix haha.
So I figured out I have one of these on an old 3 wheeler of mine, can anyone explain what they're for and why I have one? Does it ratchet under heavy load? Is it for reversing?
It works like an automatic transmission. It shifts down when your going slow for more power and shifts up for more speed when you are going fast.
How much that's torque converter? Can I buy you one of that?
Depends what country you're in. I have the Canadian prices in the video. Lot cheaper if you in the USA though. I don't have any to sell.
On Amazon a 30 series is under 150 a 40 series is 232 with tax. 30 series is for a 301cc and under 3/4 crank shaft, 40 series is for 420cc and higher 1" crank shaft. Both torque converter kits sold on Amazon. I just bought a new 40 series for a new build I'm doing and I paid 232 with tax.
Are the bikes still running did u have any issues or blown engine and did u change the billet rod and billet flywheel or is it stock and where can i buy that 92 jet
Yeah I've never had any issues with the bikes. Everything is stock other then the changes mentioned in the video. I got my kit here: www.kartworks.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=259_261&products_id=2165&zenid=25bic9uibrjjejo0olhorlo2d5
@@MarcelsWorkshop cool u did a hek of a job on the bike
Excelente trabajo 👍 aporte 🤗🇦🇷
Thanks!
what kind of mini bikes are those ? or did you build them
They are made by Baja Motorsports, which I feel like doesn't exist anymore considering every product on their site seems to be discontinued. :P They are this bike: www.bajamotorsports.com/categories/minibikes/products/baja-warrior-mini-bike and this bike: www.bajamotorsports.com/categories/minibikes/products/mini-baja
What gas tank is that? I just got the BT200X an want a proper tank.
It's just the decorative one that comes with the bike. It's not functional. It just uses the small tank built into the engine to actually hold the gas, the same way your bike does. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop thanks. It's so small that I want a PROPER tank ie 2 gallon. I love riding it but am down about 1/3 of the stock tank by the time I get to my preferred trail head.
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors Yeah it is pretty small. I never venture far from the house though so it has never been an issue for me. You could always just bungee cord a small 1¼ Gallon Gas Can to the bike and fill up on the trail haha. :P
@@MarcelsWorkshop yea I've got longer loops planned. I've got a series of 300 km of trails I can hook together so the stock one sux. I've got a 1 gallon tank I bring but would like more for a overnight cruise
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors Oh wow, 300km on a mini bike would be quite the adventure! But yeah the stock one would definitely be too small for that.
You could probably replace the tank with the stock tank from a Honda gx270 or the 9hp clone equivalents to get you a bit further. It's the same style tank just in a 5.3L capacity instead of 3.1L. The mounting holes probably wouldn't line up though so it would probably require a bit of fabrication or a bunch of zip ties haha.
Thank you!
NP! :)
how's the clone?
Fine still, but I hardly ever use it.
What mods do you have on the motor to hit 78
All the mods are listed in the video at 0:37 :P
That's got to be kph not mph.
No way that can go 79MPH Lol'
@@jacobsebastien3910 all my speeds are in KM/H
@@mrberg4616 indeed
73mph is fast enough lol
I'm in Canada so my speeds are in km/h. There's no way you could get this thing to go 73mph haha.
Mine went 51 mph down a hill with governor still intact.. i don't really want or need to go faster on a mini bike.. LOL
I don't believe it.
Never liked just watching people ride their minibikes .
Ya need some nobbies to do a uphill dead climb.
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Comet is probably made in China also fokes!