Moon Knight - A Messy Waste Of A Cool Character
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2022
- Moon Knight was... well, pretty much what I expected from a Marvel TV show at this point. A big old waste of a great character and some talented actors.
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Personally I don't think it's that cut and dry as you say. Especially with Steve and Marc.
Ah yes the superior Loki who unleashed loki's season 2's villain while the male Loki and Mobius became the voices of reason during the finale against the diverse villains/anti heroes like the tva judge, female loki and he who remains.
There's definitely a message in the Loki finale.(sarcasm)
Should check out Tokyo vice on HBO
@@khaylittle8286 i doubt it would be, while MCU writing isn't the best, the reviews done aren't great by this channel, other channels cover reviews better.
And most of the MCU videos here pretty much either misrepresent the project or some other reviewer has covered it's problems better without the strawman of sjw Hollywood (when he reviews about only a fraction of modern Hollywood compared to what actual reviewers review and represents the badly written stuff as the majority).
After “He suffers occasional blackouts and wakes up in different places,” I fully expected an “we’ve all been there, mate.”
I was expecting the Spiderman Jameson laugh at the beginning too lmfao
Missed opportunity
The fact there wasn't a " Hey you you're finally awake" cameo in a cart being pulled by like a donkey is criminal
Naaa itll be fine *what i tell myself after a few drinks*
Drinker is just subverting our expectations.
No matter how much you hate this show, you have to give props to Oscar Isaac for absolutely carrying the show. I almost forgot that Marc and Steven are the same person.
An amazing actor wasted this way. Should be a crime.
For reals. Give the man two Emmys: one for best actor and supporting actor.
He's not even that good, he was mid in starwars an he's done nothing to prove hes an amazing actor
@@usedcondom2.033 L
I think he was cast as Solid Snake for good reasons. Never before I would picture him playing a brunette brooding operative and a hammy blond English man in the same film. I do now.
I’m glad that most people disagree with this opinion, I thought this show was so refreshing and vulnerable.
Ikr loved it
I’m sorta late to the party. I binge watched the whole show last night while high, and I LOVED it. I usually agree with this guy on his reviews but this one seems like a bad take.
It was different and interesting!
I got invested into it from the first episode lol. I dont agree with him on this one. This one was definitely refreshing.
I didn’t mind the show. I don’t think it’s terrible but it didn’t feel like moon knight. The only thing I really hated was the finale. How do you skip the finally battle with the villain onscreen? That was annoying
Drinker, I look forward to listening to your analyses, but if I'm honest, you're a tad bit off your game. It sounds like you skimmed the show because the usual comments I tend to agree with you on, isn't true for this series... Both characters are useful. The female character isn't all strong and even in her fight scenes she needs help. Egyptian gods are different to the created marvel ones, ie. Not omnipotent, yes, the cgi is lacking and theres a lot of green screen. But it really felt like you flicked through these eps. Your reviews I usually find spot on, this is the first time I'm strongly disagreeing. But then again we are allowed our opinions. Even if they don't make us popular. Well, that's all for now. Cheers.
Yeah, bit weird about the Ennead in 616 when Asgardians exist..
I agree, have been following the drinker for a long time, i have always agreed with him, but recently i feel he just keeps trashing most that comes from marvel. Granting, most MCU shows arent realy oscar level, but now I actually felt that we were given a fresh character with an actual character development with such depth on a personal level.
IMO MCU made two brave decisions recently, making a previous likable hero a full blown murderous villain and exploring mental health issues .
@@fluidarana3637 Oscar level? What a joke
@@radicalman7304 if you read carefully, i said most MCU films aren't oscar level/ oscar worthy. I didn't say Moon Knight was oscar worthy, if that's what you're getting at.
@@fluidarana3637 no I mean the Oscar’s are a joke so I don’t think something being Oscar worthy is a good thing.
This is actually pretty rare, that the main character actually carried this show
Shows in any genre generally have more than just the one, single main character.
Too be fair, Steven is carrying the show with his bubbly personality and his naivity. And his transformation to Mr Knight is hillarious! Even Marc roasted him by saying: "Why do we look like a psycho Colonel Sanders?" And he stupidly threw the gun in episode One when he got chased by the cult on ice cream truck.
I also glad that Layla doesn't have much screen times and most of the time Marc and Steven overshadowed her along with Khonsu and Fabio Ethan Hawke (I know his name is Arthur Harrow but he reminds me of Fabio with that wig). Even in Episode 5, she's clearly absent and she completely gone in the finale after fighting Fabio Ethan Hawke.
i found her most frustrating when, as steven lay dying in a tomb with a bullet in the chest she somehow “escaped” but also infiltrated the small group…. as if the villain couldn’t just smell her being so damn close in the desert
@@margarethmichelina5146 not really he was basically ruined in the sixth episode aside from his scenes as Mr Knight Marc Spector became the only good thing about it.
Wandavision...
Marvel while hiring writers and directors for their shows:
1. Must be 6 episodes no more no less
2. Don't reveal anything major to the story until the end of ep 4.
3. Spend entire ep. 5 with just some filler story that doesn't move the plot forward.
4. End with a Big CGI Fight.
5. MUST INCLUDE THE MESSAGE.
You forgot hiring a diverse director and writer who don’t know anything except the message
What message? The ending was rushed I just saw "girl gets powers from hippo" lmao, I don't understand the message.
Wow this is the one🤣🤣💯💯
6: MUST INCLUDE THE MESSAGE IN EVERY EPISODE
7. Must make all legacy male hero characters look like incompetent bufoons.
I really enjoyed Moon Knight. The female character wasn't as offensive as some from other shows. I liked the change from Steven to Mark and back again. I usually agree with most of your opinions but this one actually had me hooked and looking forward to the next episode. Much better than Loki, Falcon, Wanda and it'll be much better than Ms Marvel. I'm glad I ignored all the spoilers, dodged Az and Gary's assessment and made up my own mind. Actually worth viewing without prejudice or bias.
Rare based comment.
Exactly, what they did with Moon Knight was alright at least better than other marvel series. The only exception from Loki for me was seeing Kang also like actor who played him.
I actually liked the girl character. The acting of Oscar was insanely good. Its my fav marvel show.
Based........the show was atleast a 7/10 even if it wasn't 100% faithfully adapted from the comics ........ doesn't matter how much haters try to ridicule it , Oscar Isaacs acting alone makes it much better than other Marvel shows
@@dogalrorn rare based critical drinker fanboy
This is one of the first times I’ve actually disagreed with the drinker so thoroughly. The finale definitely sucked, and Layla being yet another female superhero who’s thrown in for representation was also very frustrating. However the show throws in so much good stuff that overall I thought it was a fantastic show.
First of all out of all the female characters in the MCU, I would argue that Layla was actually decently well written. While her turning into a super hero at the end for no reason was kinda stupid, she’s much more empathetic and rounded than other female characters. She really cares about Mark and wants to help him and grow their relationship instead of just getting a job done with him. I was also ok with the fact that moon knight didn’t get much screen time. What separated moon knight from other marvel shows was its emphasis of the characters and their emotions. The show was almost like a drama about Steven and mark, with a subplot about the end of the world.
I also don’t think that Steven was a particularly poorly written character. People with DID are often really weird, and also very deserving of empathy, which was kind of the whole point of Steven. Steven is literally born from trauma, a fabrication of his own brain, so being a fidgety, wimpy character is perfectly understandable. Steven wasn’t supposed to be a tougher version of mark, he was supposed to be the happy part of mark. Instead of making Steven the trauma holder, marks brain made Steven the host, and mark the trauma holder. Mark remembers all of the abuse and trauma of his childhood, while Steven, who’s literal purpose is to be normal enough to survive in daily life, is literally marks opposite. Innocent, odd, carefree, and kind. Steven and his purpose is a perfectly realistic alter irl, and that’s what makes the show so magical. DID is an incredibly difficult disorder that can be life-crippling and super disheartening. Compared to the rest of the internet, Moon Knight did a decent job portraying the struggles of a person with DID. While most other marvel shows are focused on action, feminism, and representation, moon knight focused solely on the characters and their emotions, making it more relatable and understandable than your average action movie. Overall, while it wasn’t perfect, I was happy with the production of moon knight.
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I’m not reading all of that, but I agree with your first few sentences
Just one disagreement, Layla didn't ask for powers from Tawaret until it was absolutely necessary.
Drinker likes to shit on women taking up erstwhile male heroes mantles, but when there's an entirely new female hero (Layla doesn't have powers in the comics), he shits on that too.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't 🤷🏻♂️
@@theprovosthe shits on the character because the character writing sucks regardless of the characters gender or race.
I agree, this was one of my favorite Disney+ shows yet. Steven was loads of fun, Marc was badass, Jake was scary badass! Layla was well written and entertaining. The representation of DID was better than anything ever done before, except one glaring mistake. If Steven's purpose was to be the "happy one", then he should have appeared *after* the abuse in order to not remember it. Jake should have been the one to appear when the mother entered the room. Jake should hold the trauma, Steven should be blissfully unaware and Marc is man in the middle trying to hold the balance.
I don't know what Drinker wanted out a female character in this show, or any show or film for that matter. Does he think "The only good woman is a silent woman"? Maybe make a woman character that does nothing but sit at the man's feet and agree with everything he says? Sounds like a boring character.
I like the part where Morbius shows up and fights Ash Ketchum inside Hogwarts. Really expands the Marvel universe and adds depth to the character of Moon Knight.
What?
ITS MORBIN TIME
It was crazy when he said "Its morbin time" and started morbin the bad guys
The part where he had to battle against the gym leader Morbus to obtain the morbium badge was by far the most heart-morbing scene. Can't get enough of the show
Or when Galactus has a yugioh match with Seto Kaiba in the Justice Leage space station.
you forgot a rule:
8. no woman can be a true villain, they always need to be redeemable once you find out a man was behind them doing something bad
Hela, Agatha, and Gao would all disagree with you.
@@ricknaturalls2065 In the case of Agatha there was an even worse woman… Who cannot be bad because “boo hoo her fake family not real :(“
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Wanda is pretty explicitly treated as bad, I don't really know what you're talking about. Just because a villain can garner sympathy does not make them not bad.
@@ricknaturalls2065 the show tried to make her out as good but tragic and misunderstood
@@ricknaturalls2065 I would tend to disagree, evidenced by The way they write other characters that interact with her. Nearly every core character she interacts with is written to point out how she's either brave and strong for giving up her pretend family and fantasy world, or how she's strong because she's lost so much but still keeps trying to do things for others.
There's building a sympathetic badguy (for example the bloody Baron from the Witcher. Not a good guy by any means, but you know he hated what he is, tried to fix his mistakes, and the story never tried to spin his actions in a good light.) and then there's uncomfortably trying to force the audience to be okay with a character doing evil things because other characters in the story say it's okay and make excuses for them.
I have always found that the drinker was sensical and generally right but to me it seems like he is getting overly jaded and can’t see the value in moon knight and I love this show and I think he refuses to enjoy things at this point which I find sad and hope he finds joy in something because I only see him as upset which is for views or genuine and both are sad
The drinker is completely crazy this days. He has taken a good show (altrough the last episode was bad) and is complaining about things that have nothing to do with nothing. Like complaining about Steven personality (like wtf, so according to him no man can be portrayted as weak even if this same man real personality is stronger) or about Layla. She was one of the best original female characters in recent years, exactly because she gets beat up all the time and needs be saved by Marc too, not just the opposite. She literaly have the same personality as Ripley. So they say that a female characters needs to have flaws. Layla have, but they still complains like children, is weird man.
@@sonofcronos7831 If Ripley came out today, the Drinker would hate her.
Nah its because he didn't like the show. His top gun maverick review has him gleaming with joy. People are allowed to dislike what they want to just because he dislikes moon knight doesn't mean hes depressed.
@@creul_satxn9676 It does mean he has no objectivity and integrity
@@ShadowSonic2 Because she wouldn't be the same character as she was back then
Man he did a great job of playing different people though. No "message" really. Far more interesting than other Disney Plus items.
Not gonna lie, I was enjoying the heck out of this show until the end. Because you can’t have a show where there is a single superhero with his own powers and story. We need to add in that his love interest has powers that she never earns or struggles to control. We have to add in a massive Kaiju battle, that takes everything out of the story.
We watch Mark and Steven struggle to control the Moon Knight and find balance with each other for 5 to 6 episodes basically. But then his girlfriend can just temporarily make a deal to get generic Falcon wings and say, “Yes, I am a female Egyptian superhero” (insert Event Horizon screaming)
It’s not that deep
The new Marvel bait n switch. RUN THOR! RUN FOR LIFE! (And balls)
I completely agree, all the setup in the first five episodes feels like it was wasted on the last one. Marc/Steven died? No problem! Steven is consumed by the sands? No problem! Khonshu is imprisoned? No problem! There wasn’t even any real conflict between Layla and Marc over her father, it just felt like they had way too many loose ends and tied them all up really clumsily in too short a time period (one episode which was actually shorter than most of the others)
i don't know normally i would agree with you but i didn't feel that the character was that forced but it could be better
I agree for a Disney moon knight was very cool I kinda like that Steven isn't a billionaire and the changes they made weren't to bad but Steven and Mark should have been the only ones fighting and have them black out and we get more hints to Jake
Moon Knight should have had Daredevil’s tone with excellent writing to make it work, he was Marvel’s version of Batman in the comics and it’s a shame they did him dirty in this series.
If Netflix made it, it would've been that and then some. But it's D+, so we didn't get that.
Disney is going to do dirty everything that's coming: X-men, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Nova....it's all going to be woke garbage.
@LTNetjak the good Netflix from 6-7 years ago
honestly at this point there’s no shows worth watching anymore, because the teams and studios don’t even try, they just make a pile of garbage with social messages and call it a day
What were you really expecting?
The show is so well informed! You would think you’d need to go to Egypt for Egyptian artifacts, but they knew to go to England instead!
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Classic brits
I genuinely think you overstate the “strong female character” aspects of this show. I understand why “the message” is bad for storycraft, but it’ll be interesting to see if your reviews start overstating those elements because your expecting/looking for them in certain properties.
He thinks all forms of social and political commentary are bad.
@@ShadowSonic2 he also sees them where they don't exist.
"aren't you gods or something?" -- well, ancient cultures gods were rarely omniscient, they all had limitations. Even at the end, in ancient Egyptian mythology, when your heart was weighed for your sins you could kinda trick it to not condemn you with spells from the Book of the dead. Omniscience and omnipotence is more of a monotheistic thing.
It's also logically inconsistent lol.
This and in the show they literally state they're not omniscient
@@casthedemon how so?
Ironically, gods in most cultures have been more like comic book superheroes/supervillains, than like the big-G Judeo-Christian God.
Just reread the Illiad and the Odyssey and I am so IRRITATED with the Gods.
Key issue, Zeus says Troy has never failed to give him honor and rich sacrifices, but to heck with that. Minor goddess (Achilles' mom) weeps on his knees and he decides to let Troy be crushed.
Who would worship gods like that?
Well, I guess any civilization whose desperately searching for meaning in a world they just DO NOT understand.
Poor ancestors.
These new Marvel shows only make me appreciate Netflix's Daredevil more with each year. It was so good and the complete opposite of these overblown by-the-numbers attempts. Great gritty action, complex characters, terrifying villains, human drama intertwined in a tense story with actual stakes. A blind guy with a black scarf fighting a fat guy in a white tuxedo in some dark alley was more exciting than Egyptian gods battling over the fate of the world.
You're not wrong.
I just started rewatching Daredevil for this reason.
Man, that is so damn true. This show became a waste of potential by that ending alone.
All three seasons on Daredevil were better thasn anything disney has produced
@@edstringer1138 It’s crazy that no Disney mcu show is ever touching daredevil. I don’t think any superhero show in general is surprising what that show achieved.
I liked this show, and enjoyed the introduction to the Moon Knight character. I never read the comics and was fascinated by the concept and felt the acting and effects were great. I can agree with a few of the criticisms made, and accept that it is nowhere near perfect and opportunities were certainly missed, but I’d say that many of the criticisms here are very harsh and that plot points and exposition was watered down and omitted to portray the show as subpar. It’s fair that some will not like the show and I am open to videos like this that challenge my perspective after having seen a production, but I felt this video was overly harsh. If you’re considering watching Moon Knight definitely give it a whirl. It stands out from the rest of the recent shows Marvel has been churning out, and I felt that “the message” was far more subtle here than in other Marvel films in this phase.
I really enjoyed moon knight. It’s something a lot different from the MCU that we haven’t seen in awhile. I had a few complaints but this is definitely the best show we’ve gotten so far from the MCU. I even thought Layla was a decent character. This show kept me invested through every minute and I loved it. I didn’t think it was messy and I hope we can get more Moon Knight with a couple of the downsides fixed.
Yeah, to be honest it was actually not that bad compared to the rest of the MCU shows, and the story actually made sense due to the fact that magic is already pre-established in the MCU. Additionally I actually disagree with the Drinker on this one, while flawed I personally don't believe that it was a waste of a good character, I think Marvel is slowly learning how to properly utilize characters without all the political pandering.
@@underworld5646 That's why they took punishers guns away right?
You're absolutely right, I have to give this video a dislike, I wish I could give more for all the bullshit he said. I first saw the title of this video before actually watching the show and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I wish it have a Daredevil treatment on the fight scenes.
I can't get pass to his rant regarding the Layla character. She's one of the descent female character in the MCU.
This honestly reads like a disney bot account meant to make us feel warmer to this
@@metro3385 What? He used guns all the time in the show.
"In the world of Marvel, the idea of telling a single self-contained story with a definitive beginning, middle, and end is like garlic to a vampire"
Oh my god, that is so fricking true!
Which is why Moonknight and Shang Chi earned extra points from me. They were simple stories about a man struggling to understand himself. Kind of like the movie that kickstarted the MCU in the first place. XD
@@tailedgates9 Iron Man 2008 is so
Much better than both those films combined.
@@chasehedges6775 it is, I just mean in general what the movies were about.
Its called comic books, they have been written like this for decades, lol I guess the Drinker doesnt read much.
This is comic books in general.
I can’t really agree with the idea that Steven is useless because… he isn’t. He’s key to overcoming multiple obstacles in the way, which makes Mark and Steven compliment each other since they can cover the other’s shortcomings.
While I know he said "useless", the context made me think he intended to say "insufferable."
@@BWMagus this he was insufferable and I feel like writers goal was to super contrast him with Marc and Jake but Jesus man the whole clumsy bumbling smart idiot thing was annoying and not endearing and it really makes you go "why did they change a perfectly functionally character backstory and mythos
@tido almond ironically I think the argument of it not being realistic is pathetic and I kind of think it's hilarious now when people superimpose their wants desires and messages on comics, people use the well it doesn't make sense argument.
What makes sense to me is adhering to The Source material and Mythos that made the IP popular in the first place and worth adapting. What makes sense to me is a show called Moon night being about Moon night and showing this character semi-regular. What makes sense to me is TV show based on a comic book not being responsible for accurately depicting DID, it's as asinine as critiquing the joker and harley Quinns relationship for not being healthy and bad influence.
@tido almond It makes sense to you to watch a comic book show but it not be portrayed as it was in the comic book world? Interesting, I didn’t read this comic nor watch the show. But I would say for the IP’s I do enjoy, I find it very frustrating when someone changes something drastically about the character. For instance Luke Skywalker throwing his father’s lightsaber into the ocean, or even having the slightest thought of murdering his nephew in his sleep. They could have found away for this character to be a billionaire, struggle with his disorder, and not be a walking joke.
@tido almond Well I can see your point, as stated I haven’t read the comic or watched the show so I’m uninformed and am only commenting on my experience with IPs. I think the gripe people may have and anyone can correct me if I’m wrong. Isn’t so much that he’s not starting the show rich, but rather the butt of the joke.
I didn't expected much from the show so I was pleasantly surprised that it didn't suck. I thought it was quite a good use of a lesser known character. Also strong female wasn't obnoxious so didn't hate her.
For me Moon Knight doesn't re-invent the wheel, but it doesn't have to. Compared to most mcu series thus far, it's one of the top tiers. I thought I would be incredibly bored watching it a second time but it felt as good as the first time watching it.
The problem comes down to two things:
- High quality writing can't be mass-produced to a schedule.
- You can't entertain people and scold them at the same time.
What a great way to put that second point. I've been looking for the right way to express that very sentiment and now I have it.
Every studio has a schedule.
How exactly did this particular show "scold"?
@@seanyoung743 It had a man not be a living God. That's enough to set these people off.
@@ShadowSonic2 Drinker has explained many, many times the difference between compelling and poor character development. The fact that your only response to ALL of that analysis is a mindless SJW brain-fart, tells us you are not a person worth listening to.
I like the theory that Jake Lockley is the personality that Steven Grant created to protect him from abuse. That’s why he’s even harder and tougher than Mark. They both don’t know about Jake’s existence so they think Steven was the coping mechanism.
I disagree. Steven's whole point is about he is totally free from misery and abuse Marc suffered in childhood. I believe that Jake was created by Marc when he reached the breaking point, that he had enough and decided to hit life back. His violence stemmed from the fact that his life was so awful it seemed unfair, so he seeks justice, or rather, vengeance, to vent his anger and feel better about himself. Thus, Jake was born and his twisted sense of justice is what made him the perfect avatar for Khonshu.
I like to think that deep down Marc wanted a parental figure who could guide him, support him, and tells him he is awesome. As Jake Lockley, he found all of that in Khonshu who sic him on every bad guy and probably pats him in the back for doing it.
@@korawitbuttramee618 So, kind of like what the fake Harrow said about the idea of Marc being created by Steven? I like the idea, but that leaves a plot-hole. If Steven was created by Marc to escape from the abuse, then why did Steven not remember their mom beating them? Did Marc switch back in right after their mom busted in? Why switch to Steven to escape only to be thrown right back into it to protect him? We see that Marc remembers this beating, but what happened at other points? Because, sadly, I doubt that was the only time it happened.
The theory presented by the original comment solves a couple of things. We see Steven has a strong streak of denial when there is something negative in his life, so if he was fronting when they were abused he probably repressed it. That would explain why he was still successful as a protector. Jake's creation probably happened in a similar manner to that and Steven's own creation, during a traumatic memory that was repressed or strictly avoided. Marc was begging Steven not to go into that memory, not just for Steven's sake, but because it forced Marc to relive that trauma. Steven might remember creating Jake, but because the memory is traumatic he avoids it like Marc avoids his. Only this time with more denial, and benefitted by Jake seemingly not wanting to communicate with them.
It would also explain why Marc doesn't know about Jake as Marc didn't create him and Steven refuses to look at that memory.
This is probably way too long, but I was passionate about it lol. Thank you for your time if you read this all!
@@kcpugh5601 my interpretation: Marc was the original personality. For a time, he took his mother's abuse, eventually he created Steven (the infantilized, naïve, mother's-boy, he imagined his mother wished he was) as a sort of buffer. When the violence stopped, Steven would come to the surface, having no memory of the abuse, Marc could rest, until the trauma had faded enough for him to return. As the violence became too much for Marc to bear, Jake was born out of the snarling revenge fantasy, which Marc experienced as a sort of blackout, until he eventually took the 'hand-off' from Steven later.
One thing that is very odd to me, is how the credit scene actually changes the audience's perception of the events of the show. It isn't clear from the video whether Drinker has even seen it. But, anyone who missed it thinks that Ammit/Harrow is still alive. That's unlike any credit scene in the MCU, as far as I know.
Also an open question is, why was Harrow in what physically appeared to be the same asylum? If he was alive, and this was a real asylum, does that mean Steven/Marc/Jake were committed there, at some point? Otherwise, where did they get the mental imagery, to project it onto their experience of the afterlife?
I like the theory that mr robot did this first but baby birds prefer a 6 episode prechewed version with disposable happy meal kaijus
So it's like Deadly Premonition then.
Frankly, I'm glad they DID make it clear it wasn't just all a dream. Honestly, I think the whole "Duhhh it's all just a dream" twist is the dumbest and most uncreative "twist" anyone can put in a movie. If it's all just a dream than there's no stakes anymore: it doesn't matter who succeeds or fails, and it's impossible to get invested since anything can happen.
The first time I've ever disagreed with you. I really liked Moon Knight. Some of the criticisms you cited just don't really fit well with how I enjoyed it in the end Some of it yes valued and I can see why it could make someone not enjoy it, yet I still enjoyed Moon Knight a lot more than I thought I would. Issacs's acting was incredibly well done, and I hope we get to see even more of him soon. I'm more excited to see Moon Knight return than I am for any other Marvel movie currently.
Steven Grant is like a coping mechanism he doesn't remember any of the abusive things his Mom did to him. The personality that took all the beatings and had all the anger is revealed in the post credits scene of the last episode Jake lochley is more violent and is definitely the one who takes control and goes on the rampages that we see the aftermath of
I really disliked that... "twist"
@@svenjohanns8393 was absolutely not a twist, he's been teased since the first episode and everyone familiar with the character was waiting for him to show up
@@svenjohanns8393 twist??☠️
@@shadowspider9 even still, it’s not even that hard of a twist to begin with since he was hinted at since the start, some people just don’t pay attention enough and it shows
As far as i saw, Marc was taking control of the body to kill everyone, seeing how the god (cant spell his name) was talking to Steven during the fight scenes, with Marc asking for it back and the last episodes where even Marc was unaware that someone else took control, meaning it was done later on when they saw the memory.
On the one hand, they've been spending a lot of time in the show trying to build the mental illness aspect of the character as a big deal and a vital part of his development, but then they end it with questioning whether or not any of that developing accomplished anything. I think the instinct to go big picture whenever the subject of heroes with even a remote connection to mythical deities and turn in into big spectacle also hurts this show because Moon Knight is not that kind of character. He works best as a street level character struggling with his eternal connection to Khonshu, and throwing everything else in to make it fit a mold only hurts the result.
Not the worst thing they've done, but it feel a lot more cookie cutter than a character this nuanced should be. We're not likely to ever see anything as unique and specific as what Netflix did with shows like Daredevil and Luke Cage, because anything they would do with those characters here would just result in the same homogenous fit everything seems to fall into.
One of the main problems with these phase 4 shows is that they set up all kinds of things, just to abandon them almost immediately and pretend they where never even set up. The concept of Stephen/Marc/Moon Knight has huge potential, but ultimately it doesn't matter at all, because the show called Moon Knight is all about setting up Layla as "The Egyptian Superhero."
With phase 4 Disney/Marvel are playing the same trick over and over again: use superhero X to introduce Strong Female Character who turns out to be the replacement of superhero X.
To this day I believe Moon Knight should have been a rated R show and they should have gone all out with it. However that wouldn't have made the show's sloppiness in EP 5 & 6 any better
@@tjroelsma They are written by people who think that asking a lot of questions without no answers makes for a deeper story.
Spot on, glad someone mentioned that Moonknight is more of a street level character. Would have loved to have seen how the writers/directors that did Daredevil series would have handled the character. Instead we get this cookie cutter TV show made for the braindead viewer who simultaneously scrolls their Twitter feed as they watch TV because they have the mental capacity and attention span of a lobotomised Hermit Crab.
@@tjroelsma Well no, Layla wants her connection with Tawaret to be temporary. She only did it to help Marc. She made that extremely clear.
I remember enjoying moon knight, but I'd completely forgotten about it until i saw this video
its a good show. But Marvel hasnt even done anything with it so its very forgotten. You could remove its existence and it would almost change nothing. Its almost like Marvel made just so they could have some random hero to use.
Kind of disappointed The Drinker didn't acknowledge the subtle yet noticeable diversity like the main character being Jewish, and not to mention the fact that his character isn't built unrealistically which I find a bit refreshing. Also, say what you want but I like Steven more than Mark because he is very useful with his knowledge and interest in Egyptian myths and gods. Like some people are saying in the comments: Mark is the muscles and Steven is the brains, which is why they complement each other.
These shows can’t keep going with just 6 episodes to resolve everything
Have they shown all disney shows with all episodes at 1 sitting?
wrong, 6 episodes is more than enough, you just have to be a good director/ have a good writing team
6 episodes is a big problem. 10 episodes is ideal.
Six episodes is essentially a movie trilogy's worth of screen time.
A lot of movies tell a full story in 2-3 hours why can’t they tell a story in 6 hours lol ?
I agree with everything except one thing: While it might seem that Steven should be a damaged psychopath for taking all the abuse from his mother, this is explained in the post-credit scene of the last episode by the existence of Jake Lockley, who is a third personality and CLEARLY the psychopath that has been killing people during Steven and Marc's black outs.
So it is suggested that while Marc invented Steven to take the punishment from his mother, Steven in turn invented Jake to do it. And Jake is properly psychotic.
Hmmmm, I kinda like Steven making Jake
I thought it was kind of interesting how Mark had the perspective he was protecting Steven, I think this was a further coping mechanism to feel in control. Honestly I agree with some of the Drinker's comments and Steven was by far way too much in the spotlight for me but over all I really like the show.... especially compared to the other spinoffs.
how typical, they put an important part of this characters information in a post credit scene that no one would watch instead of making it the whole last episode as a teaser for season 2. the post credit shit should have been the intro of red scarab but ya know, its like the drinker said.
Great! So instead of explaining it in the main storyline they opted to do it in post credit. Brilliant!
@@Parasiteve I mean, it was hinted at in episode 3, episode 4, episode 5, conclusion to the harrow fight in 6 ... you'd have to be blind at that point not to get it.
I'm glad people are calling out the lazy writing of this review, this is the first video I'm seeing of this channel and it sounds like some generic 'anti-SJW' agenda crap. Look mate I hate that shit too but bring some actual arguments instead of shouting standard talking points we hear over and over again. You overlooked far too many details about the story and show just so you could complain about the newest phase of Marvel shows, it's just sad.
I really liked this show. The only part that didn't feel natural was Layla turning into an Avatar. She was pretty cool as she was. They pretty much forced in that transformation and it stuck out like a sore thumb
"A whole bunch of missed opportunities that never lived up to its potential." That describes most of modern entertainment.
And my sex life.
@@smellyfinger684 To miss opportunities you first need to HAVE opportunities^^
And this is nothing new or modern in the world.
Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke’s performances were rock solid. The season had everything going for it until they shat the bed with the last episode. Your grilled cheese/banana sandwich analogy was on point.
Ehhhh, ep 3 and on were pretty bad, too. Mauler will do an efap episode covering the whole show soon I think…
One episode doesn’t ruin a season for me. It also wasn’t that terrible, but it wasn’t great either and I half expected a giant cgi battle because it’s Marvel. I was right. However, the rest of the season was fantastic.
Episodes 3-5 were okay at best. They were lazy, predictable and poorly written. It's just that TV shows keep you hooked with the prospect of a cool finale, so when episode 6 came out, it carried all the weight of the show's bad writing
@@lolltaylor uhhh maybe, but what happens when that awful episode (cough cough ep 6) undermines, contradicts, and ignores everything the show established, thereby retroactively getting rid of what little sense it still made?
yup those 2 carried the show
For me, I really liked the show. Oscar Isaac was great, and the portrayal of DID was also very good. I almost always agree with The Critical Drinker, but I’m gonna have to disagree this time.
Come on Drinker, you don’t have to shit on everything. This was actually a very well written, acted, directed and scored show. Layla was not an over powered feminist character, she was a capable supporting character, which every superhero needs.
Sometimes you gotta appreciate good stuff, even if it goes against your general narrative.
But that wont get him views
Yeah, Layla wasn't that bad. And when she is really tough in the show, she's got superpowers at that point, so it's at least explained. The show was pretty good to me, mainly carried by Issac's and Hawke's performances.
I have a lot of differences with Drinker, but still watch his videos because I do think he does have a lot of insightful commentary on movies. But after Endgame, he has seemed to have more of an adgenda against the MCU, which is shaping his opinions before he sees the shows/movies, and it does feel like he's doing it for clicks.
@@mveytia Yep. The agenda seems pretty obvious after this video.
She has no backstory crediting her having any training as a mercenary, marine, soldier or agent... how can she be so good at overpowering other soldiers that are men?
How is that Marc has the powers of a God yet has to be saved by her the whole show?
There is a feminist agenda being shoved down our throats with Marvel.
You denying it means you don't live in reality, you clown.
@@ironmatto3 Would you please give me an example of Marc needing to be saved by her? I would love for you to also explain how the Marvel shows are just feminist propaganda, since your arguments don't represent all the shows. Is it just because they have women who aren't just dead meat?
As a woman, I can never relate to these "Strong" Female ""characters.""
Their flaws are so insignificant that they have no struggle, there is just NOTHING to latch onto. Just white noise on white noise.
How is any mortal supposed to find common ground with these know-it-all strongest-of-strong goddesses?? On the rare occasion they lose, they just get stronger. There aren't any character arches to follow. Just circles of narcissism.
In short, I find the stereotypical females whom use "like" as the majority of their vocabulary to be far less obnoxious than "STRONGWAHMAN#55."
The strongest females are the mothers who stay home and take care of their children.
There is no white noise in disney stuff...the noise must be brown
@@Quaaludio nice one
honestly they might as well be asking you to relate to supermodels on the runway.
REEE INCEL REEE MISOGYNIST!
Find myself disagreeing with Drinker for the first time here. Definitely the show had some problems and I felt they didn't push the boundaries as much as they could but it wasn't all that terrible for me, a lot better than most of what Disney plus puts out. Marc was very much the muscle and Steven the brains. Steven was the one who was able to piece together certain clues like the star navigation thing they did. So I disagree that he was useless.
Also Layla wasn't all that generic for me. She was capable because of her history in the business, I believe, but was also vulnerable and emotional in some moments without making it all about her feelings. She wasn't arrogant And I distinctly remember her being rescued by the Moon Knight before and after she got her powers so there was mutual saving. I never got the impression that she was a better avatar than Marc, even Konshou through out the idea of her replacing him. And she only taught him the spell because one of the dying gods taught her first not because she's just better
Yes it’s good but the drinker makes money hating on Disney so he will continue with that idea even when a show is miles better than anything before.
@@adamoshea2793 I think that is fair towards Disney because they didn’t initially believe in tgis project or any of the Marvel Franchises going forward with Iron Man but when they started making money they did what any billion dollar corporation would do and threw money at them so that they coyld make more projects like this, the problem comes from when they have too much influence over the projects and take out any meaningful things like plot points, interesting characterizations, and morals. Moon Knight actually has become my favorite Marvel property in a long while cause it doesn’t connect to anything else it’s just pure fun from the ground up and that’s how superhero movies used to be. It’s not as good as shows like “Heroes” or “Daredevil”, but it comes pretty close to doing it’s own thing despite how it plays into the “MCU” tropes. And a lot of people like the MCU for a reason, and that is that it usually is good at entertaining folks, whereas most other Disney projects fail in that regard these days with almost everything being made to fit “political agendas” and appease other countries strict rules more than the one where the film is made. In simpler terms if they want to be diverse they’ll just last minute add a female or “any race other than white” character to a movie or project, and if other countries have a problem they’ll remove that character or all promotional material containing anything “controversial”.
Was a huge fan of the Moon Knight comics. This series was brutal.
Oh come on, remember the scene in the tomb? She made it all about her feelings there instead of escaping and talking later
I agree that it wasn’t as bad at the Drinker made it out to be for the same reasons u listed above. I think the show wasn’t really good, but it could have been worse. I know fight scenes definitely needed a reworking. Moon Knight fights were way too fast; anything brutal he did was watered down, and there was barely any impact for any of it (in episode 3, the guy broke an arm, a kneecap, and a neck, but there was so little impact to those shots that the untrained eye could have never noticed them). Mr. Knight could get away with this in episode 6 because his fighting style is more non-lethal, so he could move faster without any disconnect in the fight scenes, but Moon Knight combat wasn’t very fitting of the pace of the fight at all. It was too fast, and I hated it. Additionally, I feel that the Drinker was right with Ammit’s beliefs vs Khonshu’s. There was no reasoning or counter reasoning for any of it. And in the end, I will concede that the wrong person convinced Marc not to kill. Layla killed a bunch of mfs. Why was she the one who convinced Marc not to kill Harrow? Steven should have done that, not Layla. Steven is the non-lethal one
"A grilled cheese sandwhich" that lowkey sounds really good.
"With a banana sticking out of it"..... eh, I'd most probably still eat it.
how to alt right
1.-talk about a show you didn't watch
2.-people believe you
3.-profit thru victimization via patron
Sums up this guys channel nowadays
Pretty accurate
Yeah, give all your money to disney or you're alt-right. You don't want to be alt-right, do you?
@@loganscott814 I hate companies, but this guy clearly didn't watch moonknight at all. He just mumble a few episodes that he read on a resume.
@@loganscott814 he is a youtuber the least he can do is not telling a straight lie so he can push his ideals.
The real question though is : Is any of this surprising? If the rumors about Ahe-Hulk are anything to go by, it'll make this series look like Schindler's List
Finally it’s here
@@soursugar4867 Finally 😪
What rumors?
I've heard there going with older she hulks personality sassy knows she's hot and loves every second of being she hulk I really hope so case Jen is probably my favorite member of the hulks Rick is a close second
Schindler's List doesn't count.
The whole Asylum aspect. "Is this real or just in Marc's head?" Should have been saved for a Season 2 and not wasted like they did for those last episodes.
They didn't even attempt to give us one whole episode of doubt. Since the episode prior already revealed it's hand that the Asylum isn't real.
Imagine getting this globetrotting action adventure with a "not so stable" Hero. Saving the world from a threat no one really seems to acknowledge.
Only for Season 2 to open with him in the insane asylum. Where most every prominent character from Season 1 gets repurposed as staff or inmates.
Where the whole Season then revolves around Marc trying to figure out if Season 1 was all just in his head, or if some evil God has trapped his mind and is trying to turn NYC into an Egyptian tomb.
(Read Moon Knight [2016] issues #1-14, to see what I mean.)
All facts. Bait & switch defined Phase 4
>The whole Asylum aspect. "Is this real or just in Marc's head?"
Buffy the Vampire Slayer already did this haha.
Surf Wisely.
It should have been maintained all season. Leave the viewer wondering along with Steven
@@GodwynDi That could have also worked and been great.
Also if they intended to make this Series a one off (it's the MCU so I doubt that).
It could have been cool if there would never be a proper reveal that it was real or not.
Maybe Marc was just beating up a cult leader but there were never any actual gods involved (outside maybe Khonsu).
It's like I said in another comment; the show really is let down by it's pacing. It really felt like they were rushing to throw in ideas all over the place before the second season instead of taking a few ideas at a time and developing them. They had a rushed romantic subplot with Steven and Layla, they had a rushed introducing Khonshu and the Gods (they could have introduced it in the second season instead and focused more on Mark instead of cataclysmic titan battles or petty rivalries among gods) and they rushed the Asylum plot point.
I disagree. Stephen is deliberately a nerdy, fragile character because that's what he was created by Mark to be. He is a coping mechanism for the abuse that Mark suffered as a child. That's why Stephen knows nothing about the trauma Mark has suffered, because he exists to shield Mark from it. Having to put the pieces together about what happened to Mark, and having the balls to leave many questions unanswered, made for a thought-provoking show.
I genuinely enjoyed the psychological elemtent of Moon Knight, it gave Mark a depth of character that I haven't seen in many other Marvel shows. We grapple with his insecurity, his grief at losing his brother and being abused for years, yet still missing his mother when she died and not knowing how to handle it. Knowing that he was responsible for Layla's father's death.
Layla was not just a strong female character, she actually had personality. She had emotions, ambitions, passions and a cohesive personality which made sense for the character she was and what she had been through.
Moon Knight was an insightful and clever take on mental illness in a very unique way. Mark, Stephen and Jake are clever variants of a broken personality, and Oscar Isaac gave a brilliant performance with his body-language and mannerisms, changing character mid-scene with ease.
I feel like you missed most of the points that the film made while you were trying to be cynical and edgy about it.
Thanks for writing this. This is one of those annoying times where the drinker just screws up. Thanks for correcting him.
Huh? He's abused and to cope with it he becomes more fragile?
They should have just adapted the comics
@@roywempor8395 He doesn't "become more fragile". He developes a complex mental health condition where he forces all of the weakness and fragility into an alternative identity, so that he can compartmentalise the trauma and go about his life without breaking down.
@@Blobbyo25 that's silly, those things are just thoughts that you can stop having, if one's brain wants to not be fragile it will delete it, not put it into another folder
@@roywempor8395 It is easy to tell that you have never had a mental illness. Educate yourself
I see the “Mary sue” aspect to “what’s her face,” but I actually really enjoyed the show, the acting performance by Oscar Isaac was out of the park, and I liked the fact that they weren’t in a different exotic city every scene. It made an already complex plot a bit simpler.
how is she a mary sue?
I think you missed the end credit scene where they introduced Jake Lockley. They make it abundantly clear that Jake not Steven was created to take the beatings. This is hinted at when Steven says "this is my room but I don't remember any of this". Steven on the other hand was created to live a blissfully happy life (for the most part) thinking his mother loved him and stuff. Marc exists to live with the guilt of the errors he made
Yeah, I still see people wondering why Steven couldn't remember the beatings if he was there, but the fact that he tells Marc "I want to know what happened", as Marc pulls him out of the room is definite proof that Steven was never hit. It was either Marc, or Jake (more likely Jake Lockley).
It was really weird putting the end of the show as a post credit scene. In my opinion that scene should have been part of the episode, not a separate end credit scene.
Yeah, Drinker didnt seem to be on his game with this one 🤷🏾♂️
Also, aside on how Steven works as a copying mechanism, he was clearly usefull during the show due to his geek interest in Egyptian Lore
@@yannickvaz694 The only problem with that theory is that Marc knows about the abuse down to what happened in the room. That means either HE experienced the abuse or, if Jake experienced it, Marc should technically know about Jake. And it appears he doesn't.
As someone who hasn't read the comics, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the show. The final Kaiju battle was kinda dumb and the writing could have easily been better. But overall as a first time viewer of the character, I thought the show was quite fun and much better than Marvel's past shows like Loki or WandaVision.
Read the 2014 run. Its fantastic.
@@Drake00000010 is it beginner friendly I recently got marvel unlimited and was wondering what moon knight comic to start with
Why was the kaiju battle dumb?
@@hinamatsuro1908 Whenever Marvel does these big CGI fights they always look really silly. It probably would have been better if they cut it and made the fight purely between Harrow and MK.
even if u did u would still like it
for a MCU TV show this one is not that bad. The one actually landed an ending without too much cringe dialogue.
I really really liked Steven and empathized with him. And his knowledge came handy in few situations. I guess, the idea of the series was that once a person embraces himself with all his flaws, he becomes whole. That what happened in the end when Marc and Steven started working as a team.
I actually liked that Steven was "pathetic" but had the knowledge. And I don't know, he didn't seem that pathetic to me...
yeah i think he has seen so much bad things in everything that he only sees bad things in everything. Overall this show was better than any that came before and after till now (yes talking about you miss marvel)
I like steven he a cool guy
@@harshitrawat811 moon knight and ms marvel have been the two weakest mcu shows so far.
😬 Spoke too soon
@@harshitrawat811 Except for Loki, that was really good.
The series wasn’t horrible. The acting was decent. But here is my problem: Moon Knight isn’t Moon Knight. I’ve been a fan of Moon Knight since Werewolf by Night #32 and he has always been a street level vigilante with supernatural undertones, not a bulletproof glowing eyed mummy. I applaud marvel for pulling him out of the archives, but he belongs gritty and dark, with Daredevil, not an Avenger level nutcase. Sorry Marvel…. D+
Yeah, hopefully he returns as an actual street level vigilante sometime in the future. This was a decent show, but it could have been better.
Doug Moench literally tackled every aspect of MK in the 15 years he wrote the character. Because of Warren Ellis and Lemire l, he's just Deadpool now
@@billygoodmeme7635 Absolutely! Well said!
All this high stakes, high-powered stuff could work if they didn't lead with it like they were trying to make a movie instead of a show. If you told me it was originally meant to be a movie, I'd believe it because the first 2 episodes felt like they just stretched out one episode out into the length of 2
Now that god battle is over, what do they even do with the character?
This is why YoungRippa said, “Don’t cheer when you hear them announce that your favorite characters are being adapted for the big screen. Just prepare yourselves to see the legacy of that character to be ruined and the character to be unrecognizable in the adaptation”
If I could make only three changes to this, here's what I would choose:
1. Make it into a movie. The show just keeps dragging on and on with minimal substance to the story, and it doesn't need to be that long. A comparatively shorter movie (even if it exceeded two hours in length) would feel more focused and concise.
2. Moon Knight is supposed to be a dark, bloody character who uses extremely violent methods to dispose of enemies, but there's hardly any carnage in this show. We were promised blood and carnage, but they cut away whenever they get the chance to show it. Take away the extreme violence, and you take away the essence of Moon Knight's character.
3. Get rid of Layla. This is supposed to be Moon Knight's story, and it's really not. As far as I can tell, she never even had a comic book counterpart before this show was released, so it's pretty obvious that she was just shoehorned into this show so they could have another "strong" female character overshadowing Marc and Steven at every opportunity.
i agree with every single thing here. Moon Knight should be like deadpool. and wolverine too. i hate how they just cut down all the blood and violence so it could keep its PG-13 rating. and that ruins the whole point of Moon Knight because he is an Anti-Hero who kills his enemies
3:27 yes immortal gods live in the marvel universe wtf that is nothing new
and he can literally be killed like ammit?
The "Are you an Egyptian superhero?" thing is the most pathetically 'performative progressive' thing that Marvel is always doing. Every culture on Earth has thousands of years of their own heroes, myths, and stories and all these American studios and companies are like "Nah they don't count unless they're a secondary character in a thing WE can make money off of. Comic book movies/shows are the highest honor for every culture on Earth."
I read the whole “Nah” part and heard Drinker’s voice
Agree. Just "are you a superhero" would have done the same thing. But no "nationality: had to be put in there. As if you cannot relate to a character without having the same nationality. I am neither american or blonde or blue yed but captain america is my favorite one
catering to ethnicities is the cringiest things that I hate in entertainment industry since the industry is the second biggest influence on the population after the internet.Why is a superhero/hero is supposed to be black,white,american,mexican,indian or egyptian.Why is the protagonist supposed to be a male,female/lgbtq . Why can't we ignore these medieval concepts of past in the real world & in the imaginary world of cinema where everything that exists is in our control we forget ethinicites at all. Why can't we have a protagonist/superhero/hero just be *A HERO* . I never saw falcon as a blackmale superhero, I saw falcon as .....FALCON. I never saw captain america a white male american. I saw captain america as CAPTAIN AMERICA the first avenger.....despite the name being captain america. I don't want an indian superhero doing bollywood dance & making india proud(eternals), I just want a hero. I don't look for the country,ethinicity of the actor that I'm never gonna meet playing a character, I look at the character and chew on popcorn. I watch movies for escapism...not to be lectured
My thoughts EXACTLY.
@@apetogetherstrong4243 you hit the nail on the head. They always tell us that we should look past ethnicity but then they always just make it about ethnicity
You know the sad thing is, if Disney marvel actually took time to properly write and develop their “strong female characters” into actual characters, this wouldn’t be an issue. But it seems they don’t give two shits about that as long as they check off a few diversity boxes. “Not Caucasian?” Check. Gay? Check. Send it. The result is exactly the opposite of what viewers want. We don’t care if a character is similar to what we are. If I’m a overweight gay toaster I don’t really care if a overweight gay toaster is in a movie. I want well written plot, developed characters and a decent story. But hey - as long as marvel keeps printing money with this shit it’s gonna continue.
I came up with a quote for this
“They need to stop writing female characters as woman, and start writing them as people”.
Everyone loved squid game, but there weren't any blacks in there 🤷♂️
here is a cliff notes on the agenda,
1 replace white man with black man or White feminist woman,
2 replace black man or White feminist woman with black lesbian woman,
3 replace black lesbian woman with trans-man,
4 replace trans-man with androgynous cyborg,
5 you are in the matrix. your body is stored in a big plastic tube, The A.I.s control your reality.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Well, there was that Indian man, but yeah, it was majority koreans which still means "diversity" i.e. no one white, I guess, thus the green light.
@@michaelsorensen7567 well then ny Hollywood standards squid game is trash & not diverse enough
Feel like you didn’t watch this one properly mate
Mr. Robot is peak television and is one of the best depictions of mental illness
Was hoping for a Mr Robot like esque portrayal of his split personality disorder, mixed in with Daredevil action, and we got a very PG13, watered down execution. It's average, but not terrible. Other shows just did a better job at what it tried to explore
Thanks for reminding me of that borderline masterpiece
@@WILLINGLYWILD Daredevil or Mr Robot?
@@zdravkosubotic4964 mr robot but daredevil is pretty great too
It’s supposed to be realistic (DID portrayal, much more accurate and less discriminative than other portrayals), I don’t blame that.
@@WILLINGLYWILD Thanks, just wanted to know if I should watch Mr Robot😁.
I watched Daredevil, fantastic show btw.
I wouldn't call Layla a "Strong Female Character", unlike so many others that I can name. That scene where she tries to deal with the priests at Ammit's Tomb shows her struggling to get away from them, to the point that she had to trick the priest to fall into the hole, and nearly falling down herself in the process. She even cried afterwards, presumably from the stress of dealing with them in the first place. She even broke down and cried when her husband got shot by Ethan's character (Arthur Harrow) which gave her the motivation to go after his cult herself.
The Scarlet Scrab thing should be hopefully temporary, and even so, she didn't do as much in the fight as Marc did. Then again, neither of them, not even Khonshu and Ammit did a lot in the fighting, even Marc and Layla got cornered by Harrow and his men, before Jake comes out and beats the crap out of them
In short, I think that for a main female character, Layla is a bit more balanced, and in some scenes, well written. At the very least, she wasn't as unbearable as say, Sylvie, Carol, Karli, Wanda(In WandaVision and MoM) and others that I forgot. Of course, I do not expect everyone here to share the same views, so it's fine, I just think Layla is a much better female character than most in the recent Phase 4 of the MCU.
Yeah I have to agree and I commented something similar on his most recent video. I think he's a expecting too much to see "Strong Female Character" to realize where the differences are. I mean here, she's his wife and just wants to know what the hell is going on because Mark left her in the dark. She's capable but not overpowered and most of the time she was saving it was saving Steven who's genuinely the one who's so weak. It's not like she really saved Mark. Also worth noting... she never really won legitimately or if she did was really for the reason that she's a main character. Like it was evident that Ethan Hawk was basically toying with them the entire time and it's evidenced when he just pulled a gun and shot Mark outright after he was sufficiently standing in his way. Two in the chest and that's it. And she was completely helpless to it too. She couldn't do shit. And her superpower part was explicitly temporary with her deal as per the agreement: "Just for this" and when she did tell Mark how to do that spell she was told how via that goddess so it's not like something SHE knew. She was even successfully tempted by Ethan Hawk so realistically she "lost" that battle of wills with him. So I kind of don't agree with his take here really.
@@buddermonger2000 Exactly. Most of what the Drinker and other critics is on point, but the "Strong Female Character" argument won't apply to Moon Knight. It applies to everything else in Phase 4 thou
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Yeah it's just been shit. However I'll always enjoy Moon Knight for having the balls to have its main Villain just shoot the hero. Like come on he's just a normal dude. Shoot him. And here... he does. It does do a fairly good job at making Ethan Hawke feel entirely in control too. Issue is more just poor execution on ideas arguably from studio rigidity as it is almost as formulaic as the rest.
@@buddermonger2000 Yep, pretty much, and it shows on Episode 6
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Even then it looks like they were kind of fighting it in making the kaiju battle in the background to parallel with the more grounded fight between the main characters.
This show was very confused, not confusing, just confused, as if each of the writers were creating their own series and not talking to each other.
Honestly this channel fell off so hard, like I can understand his criticism of most marvel content after endgame but when you refuse to acknowledge when marvel has done something new and it actually worked fairly well. Like I’m not going to say it’s the nest thing since sliced bread or anything but it is not a “messy waste”. I feel like 5% of his criticism are reasonable but the other 95% is just pointing out plot and saying they make no sense, when they do, and in classic drinker fashion point out that there is a women who is portrayed at competent, and says “tYpiCAl MAveL” even tho they portray a women as the driving point to one of its characters since she beat him as a child. Idk man kinda felt like when I first started watching he seemed to have good points but after the constant recycling of point it just got old and boring, so ya know imma unsubscribe.
Absolutely.
Nah the channel still has strong criticisms just not in this video
In terms of the split personality thing.
It really is so that when Children develope a split personality due to parental abuse or trauma, those personalities often are devote or childish, because the mind thinks that someone that isn't violent at all is less likely to receive further abuse.
This is actually something that they got right from a psycho medical perspective.
Agreed on almost everything else though
Except that there really isn't a scientific consensus on split personalities. There's not even really any evidence of their existence, let alone their causes or treatments. Nor is it likely that a single brain could even house multiple personalities. Obviously there is some sort of mental issues going on. But the whole multiple personality thing is really overplayed by Hollywood.
@@casthedemon agreed that it is over simplified in movies, but the disease itself is very well documented and part of studies.
Since we all don't use our brain to the fullest it is entirely possible that the brain has enough resources for something as complex as split personalities, although it surely doesn't work like shown in Movies as I said
Split personalities are fake
@@Heptkaidekaphiliac you working at mental or even medical care mate?
@@maxmustermannsviertaccount4977 The "we only use 15% of our brains" trope is a neuroscience myth btw.
The biggest sin is that Moon Knight himself gets like 4 minutes of screentime in the entire show. And he looked so damn cool 🤦♂️ such a waste.
Yeah, that was disappointing to be honest
@ABC123 Just to ruin the character in the next movie and kill him
@ABC123 but don't give him a line to speak so you don't need to pay him that much
Apparently shows have to have constant unrelenting action to be good?
But Moon Knight was in the show
Glad to see most people here on the same page 👌🏽
Thanks, Drinker! My family and I have been watching the MCU trying to re-capture the magic of the Infinity Saga. Each time a show beats me up, I swear that it wasn’t that bad, that Disney won’t do it again, that it’s my fault for having unreasonable expectations, or that Disney won’t be able to get better if I’m not around to help. You’ve made me realize that we’re in an abusive relationship and a clean break is what is needed. I hope Disney gets the help it needs, but in the end, we’re going to do what’s best for us.
I actually like Moon Knight the most out of all the new Marvel shows. They did, of course, manage to fuck it up a bit in the final episode, as is the tradition.
I personally don't see most of the things you mention as negatives. Without knowing anything about the comics prior to watching the show, I believed Steven's personality to be purposefully exagerrated to highlight the differences to Marc's. They might have overdone it, I suppose, but the idea of one personality being useless was fun to me. His usefulness also improved as the show progressed. As far as Layla goes, she was OK and I liked how different her interactions were with Marc and Steven. They seem to make a good team, rather than her being the allpowerful female stereotype of recent years. She gets to be a superhero for a bit, that didn't bother me too much. That one line was very cringey, though. By the way, I'm pretty sure Steven is the personality that believes his mother has always been kind and is still alive. He exists so that a part of Marc can have a normal life.
Christopher Reeves' Clark Kent is exaggerated to be different from Superman, but he still seems like a real person.
Here's my questions to you then, if they did such a good job of Marc & Steven.
What does Marc think of his situation come the end of the show?
What does Steven think of his situation come the end of the show?
If there's one thing the comic was brilliant at above all else, was to reflect the characters internal monologue and perspectives to the reader. If the character was deceived, so we're we. If the character felt something about a situation, that was delivered to the reader with the clarity of an internal monologue with your own mind. It also depicted a relationship between God & servant really well, which also falls massively short in this show.
Tremendous writing it was. This show just doesn't come close to achieving that.
me too. The last episode was the only bad thing for me at least
@@AK-vj9uu Why
@@sohrtresort20 felt rushed and I also didn't like that fight in the end not that it was the worst thing in the MCU but it could have been better.
At this point, I really feel for Oscar Isaac. He seems like a very competent actor that just wants to be in good roles, but because of his contract and agent (I'm sure) he's pretty much forced to continue doing business for Disney. Even after that colossal fuck up that was the Star Wars sequels. It was clear he was fed up with that shit for a while.
na man, hes out. he made that very clear before the show started. something about golden handcuffs. so why even bother with this show? bc phase 4 is all fucked u. most of the budget prob went to him, which is why we didnt see the REAL Moonknight suit but a few mins all together? lol. and hes been in a ton of movies btw. u really shouldn't feel sorry for a famous rich actor, that can do anything he wants short of buying an island. no hate, jmo. obviously u can feel sorry for anybody u want.
He's a great actor who gets himself into a lot of terrible movies. At least Dune was legitimately awesome.
@@georgevanhoose6333 Oscar Isaac definitely isn’t going to suffer from taking this job, the show is been reasonably popular, most of the people who watched it liked it, and they particularly like Oscar’s acting. If you take one look at any social media or talk to anyone who isn’t a fan of this show then you’ll see that most people don’t have such a pessimistic view of the entertainment industry
@@tiinan375 I've found it takes a bit of intelligence and appreciation to have standards so your prolly right about most people on social media.
You realize that he was the one who decided that he wanted to take on this role right?
I usually completely agree with the drinker, but here I feel like he got so used to complaining about stuff like the "strong" female characters, that here he just just feels like a broken record. Of course the show was far from perfect, but saying that there's nothing to enjoy in it is just intentionally shortsighted.
Disagree. Really liked the show, and the psychology of the main character was very well done and intriguing.
Here’s 2 fun facts:
1.The Scarlet Scarab is a male villain in the Marvel comics, but in the show he’s a female superhero-I’m sorry an Egyptian superhero
2.The heart trick Tawaret uses is actually based off of Anubis’ technique to judge the persons merit in life.
On that note why Tawaret judging souls of the dead and not Anubis? And why does an Egyptian goddess sounds and acts like an airheaded English socialite?
Thank you. I was so confused I remember Scarlet Scarab being a male. Most people don't know much about MoonKnight so... wtf.
@@Wolfman7870 idk. Why is konshu voiced by a Syrian guy and not an Egyptian one?
@@Wolfman7870 it’s either because they didn’t bother to check their sources or because they thought that as long as the character said they were Egyptian nobody would question anything from gods to voices
I should point out that in context of the Moon Knight TV series, Anubis was mentioned as one of the gods trapped in a statue like Khonshu and so Tawaret replaced Anubis in the underworld since Anubis was imprisoned.
Also Fun Fact: Marc Spector didn't suffer from child abuse in any of the comics.
In fact the opposite, Marc Spector actually beat and abused his Dad in the comics for being pathetic loser and embarrassment.
In the bulk of Moon Knight comics, Marc Spector's mental health issues come from the guilt and regret of killing innocent people for fun/money in his mercenary past.
The whole point of Moon Knight was that he was a terrible person who was betrayed by Bushman (an even worse person), dies, and gets reborn into a superhero to redeem his past.
They do reference this in Episode 5 of the Moon Knight series, by having Arthur Harrow mention that "Maybe Marc's Steven Grant persona was created as a way to hide from the guilt of murdering innocent people in his mercenary past and start a new life from scratch".
(Which is exactly how it happened in the comics, until a 2018 comic retcon that said Marc's mental health issues come from witnessing a family friend murder a kid in his basement).
This is the one time that almost everything you said about "strong female character" (being Layla here) is absolute utter bs.
She isn't your typical smug character like others. She had way more personality than your recent female Marvel characters.
She had all rights to be pissed at Marc.
She wasn't smartest in the room. Literally asking for help of Steven on multiple occasions.
It's clear she had worked with Marc before in some sort of missions, so of course she will be capable of fighting.
She gets rescued by Marc on multiple occasions. Or Moon Knight. Just like some of the people in the comments pointed out.
When she becomes an Avatar for Taweret she was basically on par with Marc/Steven/Moon Knight. And she was much weaker than the third personality of Marc/Steven.
She knew how to perform the ritual, cuz Taweret, the goddess herself told her how to.
The one thing that made absolutely no sense is how she didn't notice anything wrong with Marc before meeting Steven.
Yes. AND the fact that she doesn't know magic exited after Mark tell her in ep 4.
By the way she acts, she seem like she barely aware how the suit works and she at best she presume it work like iron man.
The way she looked at it, she and her husband with a magic suit went on an adventure to get a bug, then he ghosted her for nearly a year for no reason. Then one day he just called her in british accent. Then he acted like a mind wiped dude.
It's truely odd that she didn't pick up Mark strange behavior. But some what understanable
Simp harder, I guess.
The only thing about Layla I didn’t like was the cringy “are you an Egyptian superhero.” A little cringy but otherwise, I did like Layla.
Also, just like Moon Knight, she doesn't have much screen time.
In episode 1, we only heard her voice through her phone, in episode 5, she's not appearing since it's focus of Marc's backstory, in episode 6, she's compeletely gone after Marc and Steven punished Fabio Ethan Hawke to the purgatory asylum and they never explained what happen to her.
How did she not know that her husband has a DID personality? Probably they are married too quickly and they both have poor communications.
She even doesn't want to be Taweret's Avatar completely and she's even struggling to fight the blind zombie mummy alone as she almost died and even traumatized.
Fanboy Lmao mad you paid for that crap
Marc Spector is Moon Knight. Steven Grant is one of the created personalities. I didn't care for how they made him seem like the main personality but in a later episode they explained that he was created by Marc to deal with the emotional and physical trauma inflicted by Marc's mother. The Steven Grant personality was based off a fictional archeologist from his childhood.
I thought it was pretty good. Its deeper than you think after the first couple episodes. Its fresh and different and has the benefit of not being well-known.
How did the critical drinker miss the third personality? Several of his questions are answered by the existence of this character and his omitting the third personality actually renders his summary factually incorrect. Too drunk to pay attention?
ill assume he didnt bother to see the end credits scene
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 he didn't see the show properly i believe.
@@sammybosak10 what would change? This show was bad, I mean really bad. Although the acting was good, cgi was on top, the show couldn’t manage to keep my interest in.
@@hakansaribal5093 Only the last ep was kinda mediocre the rest eps were pretty good especially the psychological ep.
It didn't feel like a superhero show may be that's why many people got disappointed(including you) cause they expected general mcu shit or gore ruthless comic moonknight.
Since Moon Knight was in about five minutes it should have been called Boring Crap.
I'm sure this makes me a monster, but I'm honestly getting to the point where the feeling of "I did not care for it, but I'm happy it worked for those who did" is starting to fade. So tired of the same generic nonsense over and over again just being accepted by people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching.
I can totally relate to that one, mate. It's clear that "people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching" are the kind of people they are catering to. As long as there's no shortage of those kinds of viewers, they will be able to keep making money while putting in little to no effort into making their products good. As they say, no one ever went broke catering to the lowest common denominator. I'm sad 😑
I have that feeling in mind as well whenever I’m watching something that doesn’t quite live up to my expectations or doesn’t earn my respect; just contorting my mindset in anyway to justify the show/movie I just watched. One perspective I came to after watching the show is that maybe this show can serve as a basic introduction to Moon Knight’s character for new fans, and if they want they’ll explore his character in the comics and go more in-depth. I do get tired of using this excuse of “I didn’t enjoy it, but at least others did” as well though when a show doesn’t satisfy me
Boy you must be a child. At least we have some diversity finally. If you want boring white male superheroes than DC is there for you (though they do have Wonder Woman and Catwoman)
The issue is, this shit is not for our demographic. It's for taste-depleted rainbow-haired liberal drones who couldn't get enough of gargling this mediocre ideology-pandering slop. They don't really make anything popular/high octane for classic/normal people anymore.
Tbf, this show does try some things that are different to most MCU projects. It's character focused and isn't just a superhero cgi stuff all the time. Yeah there's still a bit of that but that's what the MCU is.
I wish there was more Moon Knight in it. Really underused
Ye i really enjoyed moonknights fighting style
Honestly i really enjoyed the show! The ending was a bit weird but the fifth episode really made me wow at something marvel produced after Endgame. Didnt really like the other shows, but this one was pretty good. Also oscar isaac‘s acting was really good
You know, I'm really, genuinely grateful that Endgame was such a clear and well defined *end* to the MCU, that I don't feel any sense of missing out by not caring about any of this.
You care enough to watch them though..🤔
@@brianm3160 he only cared enough to watch an 11min youtube video shtting on it.
Gonna cry about it kid?
@@lorencelaflair4306 Yeah I haven't watched the movie. I simply watch the Drinker's videos because there are some really good recommendations sometimes. For example, I watched The Expanse on his recommendation, and I loved that show. I don't always agree with him though, for example Spider Man no way home was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen which he seemed to like a lot.
It's really quite brilliant, it allows obsessive fans (me) to carry on watching and allows others to just enjoy what they think they will like without missing out
@@UsernameGeri you watch drinkers videos and you make up your mind about a movie or show
Well he's full of shit too
He says whatever bullshit that gets him more subscribers and ultimately money just like disney and mcu
I've seen his hypocriticy with gina carano and spider man leaving the mcu
Steven ain't that useless and pathetic tho. He's the reason they figured out the star map . Even Khonshu called him by his name instead of his usual "little worm", acknowledging his wisdom for Egyptian history and mythology.
Considering the video maker said Layla doesn’t need saving by moon knight(she gets shielded from bullets by moon knight among the many scenes contradicting it) and after she gets her wings, they cooperate saving each other even more than the previous one where mr knight gets attacked by that invisible monster.
This channel pushes a bigger ‘message’ than his accusation of what modern Hollywood does.
Considering all he reviews in modern movies is franchise films and one or two other films a total of around 40 modern movies till now while actual RUclips reviewers review about 50-100 movies a year, while highlighting the same 8 movies as an example of why modern movies suck, I think he’s about as reliable as a Q Anon page.
Wait, are you saying Critical Drinker misunderstood and misrepresented something? Color me shocked!
@@cjhedberg735 IMPOSSIBLE!
@@epicmusic9029 finally somebody says it
@@eghoseisiramen1892 most of the rant comments seem to have either skipped the show, or are suffering from confirmation bias, I guess.
“I guess immortal gods just exist in this universe now” forgot about thor the immortal GOD on the avengers
Tell me you haven't noticed Jake without telling me you haven't noticed Jake
I'm convinced this guy just complains about everything even if it's good
Mark and Steven are the first new characters from phase 4 that I legitimately cared for and liked. Mark being the strong warrior and Steven being the smart detective is cool dynamic that I really hope they expand upon. But Layla is stupid I hate her.
When was Steven ever smart or a detective?
Steven was the one able to piece things together when it came to artifacts and tombs and was the main reason why they knew where to find Ammit's tomb.
@@sivad1025 He singlehandedly figure out the location of Amit's tomb?
@@sivad1025 when he pieced together the riddle in the sarcophagus of the Medjay or when he did the riddles in Amit’s grave.
Honestly I think the wife should have been kept out and we focused me on the dynamic between Mark and Steven because I think that worked really well. Imagine if we had Mark teaching Steve how to us the powers he had as Mark struggled to even get control for a moment, then we end with both being balanced
at least early on or something. If I could use special powers and was tasked with something important to do, but had to share my body with someone, I would at least *try* to get them to not be utterly worthless when using those powers and try to build up some trust with them instead of just trying to bully them into giving up control on the off-chance they actually do it
so take the woman out of the show is ur solution, totally doesnt reveal ur sexism or anything, this is why yall clowns are falling apart☠️☠️☠️
@@higherchd1 how is that sexism? The wife is legit the weakest character in the show to me, doesn't mean I'm sexist, it means she was just poorly written
@@higherchd1 'the woman'
Thats all you see her as. Quite literally. She's a ticked box, not a character. You're so sexist you can't even project it without firing the beam into your own face
I used to love the interconnected aspect of Marvel but now everything is a callback to a show nobody saw, an end credit scene to a movie I’m not sitting through or a tweet a showrunner made.
Tony Stark showing up at end of the hulk movie was perfect.
My biggest problems with this show were the lack of Moon Knight, race and name swapped Marlene (Layla is literally Marlene from the comics), changing Steven into a goofball, not using his arch nemesis Bushman as the main antagonist, and then ending the show with some stupid big battle. Honestly, the show wasn't that bad overall until the final episode, but it definitely suffered from not enough Moon Knight throughout.
I generally liked moonkight for it's acting and uniqe main character. But they screwed up the finale so bad it hard to think positively about it
Finale sucked more when they didn't show Jake Lockley beating up Harrow
Just an off-screen battle no one will ever see
Yeah, it was quite the letdown
@@elysium.14 All that build-up only to have Jake's "appearance" within the finale take place off-screen and it was such a cop-out way to defeat Harrow. The post-credit scene was done well but I don't think it should've been Jake's first apperance.
It's kind of sad how all the marvel female characters literally have no personality. It's even more sad that they're included because they have to be.
Feels almost sexist against women
@@3_smh_3 Bruh
Strong and has vagina. That's all you need bruh. Take it or leave it. Racist.
Layla is step above the other females
@@moderatecanuck Yeah in terms of dumb ass powers that is. At least until we get she hulk. Which will be a thousand times more absurdly powerful than any other because stronk and independent.
I was so looking forward to this
It seemed so nice on paper with the split personality, and trauma, dealing with mental illnesses, and also being a badboy vigilante in a GORGEOUS costume
This actually looks really fun. 6 minutes in and there hasn't been any serious critiques, just minor quibbles.
This show wasn’t the worst out of all the other shows Disney has made but it did eventually disappoint me. Rest In Peace Moon Knight
omg bro shut up
I think that’s the worst that could happen to a show. Surprised delight turning to shitshow.
Oscar Isaacs look his performance was good because I feel like there is really nothing memorable. Well this probably the last D+ show I will ever watch until X-Men '97 or when the get X-Men and fantastic Four into the MCU and even then I will be iffy.
The final episode ruined this show for me.
for me, it wasn't bad at all but there just wasn't much of it. kind of like getting served a delightful piece of chocolate cake but only being allowed to have one spoon full
edit. lol I wrote this before hearing the drinkers food analogy.
I personally really enjoyed Moon Knight. Ethan Hawke was brilliant!!!
Yeah I usually agree with you man but I'm at opposites here. I liked Stevens character he was amusing, annoying sure but still entertaining to watch.
Also, Steven was the meek innocent one because Mark wanted to keep part of him pure, happy, blissful and such. Where he would keep the gruffness and the pain, torment etc.
I even thought they didn't go too hard with the strong female character shit this time, yes it was there but I didn't think it was bad, she hadn't only been looking at ancient Egypt shit 5 mins like you said it established that she was well versed in that stuff and re-enforced it a few times. She reads the stuff in Stevens room, her mom (I think) making the passports the convos they have.
I wonder if you're just suffering from the marvel fatigue bro. I certainly have had that before. I haven't seen all the tv shows, but moon knight I certainly enjoyed the most out of the ones I have seen. Punisher, daredevil and moon knight 🔥
LoL me too I really enjoyed the hell out of moon knight and I think they calmed down with the strong female troupe it isn't so bad this time
@@nwoyeochajeffery7060 100%. I thought she was a decent character :) Ethan Hawke was a bit wasted but he did a GREAT job. He was my favourite thing about it all.
Yeah man this show slapped. I absolutely loved the more psychological take for a super hero. It was really unique and I’d love to see more.
@@superadambomb5834 100% would you like to see the villain Harrow bought back somehow? I would but I don't see how they could bring him back in a good way. :/ Still, I'd be hype for more either way.
@@thatoneguychad420 though I thought he was an interesting villain I don’t think he needs to be brought back. Perhaps a main villain for season 2 could end up being jake. It could possibly delve more into the psychology of Marc and have him mentally fighting a new side of himself.
Yeah, the thing that made absolutely no sense about Stephen/Mark's backstory is that Stephen should be the one who knows his mother is a horrible person, not Mark, because Mark went into Stephen mode whenever his mom would beat him.
I don’t have DID, but from how I understood it, Steven had that personality purposely due to his job as a protector for Marc.
9:01 If you _really_ think about it, Jake Lockley is actually the one the receives all the punishment his mom gave. Hence, at the end, it made sense that he's the perfect avatar for Khonshu inside Marc's body since he's practically willing to do anything just to taste blood. And Khonshu sure does love them bloody gory bits.
Tl;dr: Steven was made to cope with the mental and emotional stress of Marc while Jake was made to cope with the physical abuse from the mother.
Yeah it confuses me at first why he turned to Steven Grant
Exactly this dude don't know wtf he's talking about🤣
@@leo-n8er73 he usually does, but i think hes leaning a bit too much into blind marvel hate here, and refusing to see the good show under the thin layer of a few stupid things.
@@traegoins6903 I feel like that’s the thing with most of these RUclipsrs we can’t have a female main character in a marvel movie without them moaning or complaining about it
The director of the show criticized Patty Jenkins for misrepresenting Egypt in WW84. He was so focused on representing his country that he failed to tell a good story. A complex character like Moon Knight deserves its own show like the Daredevil which would've helped explore a lot about the character. These 6 episodes didn't do the character and his story any justice at all. I was so disappointed by this.
Wasn’t parts of WW84 set in Bialya? The fictional dc equivalent of Saudi Arabia?
He even criticized Black Adam too when it comes to Egypt which was dumb.
the story was better than good
@andranik H. Exactly, like Egypt still seems to be portrayed so poor and dirty in all these shots the director put in and I thought we might seem somethin different tbh
@@Adrian-ty7pc i can kinda understand the WW criticism but the Black Adam one was just the director straight up complaining for no reason
honestly, I enjoined the first couple episodes with the mystery and unknown events going on. Then the show all of a sudden turned into that one buried treasure movie with Nick Cage and I got bored