What a card this was, an interim heavyweight match between Mir and Big Nog. The grudge match between Rampage and the Axe Murderer and the Light Heavy Weight Championship between Griffin and Evans. Today's days interim fights and non title fights are main events sometimes.
No, in the fight big nog said he was almost fully healed, and he even said "Frank Mir was the better fighter that night, he caught me alot with the hits and he was the better man"
Did you see the Noguiera vs Couture fight? What i saw in that fight is a ruthless, strong, and hungry Noguiera! He finally had that look back when he was dominating the Pride heavyweight division where he stayed unbeaten for like 3 years until Fedor came in and beat him! Trust me, Mir is no match against the old Noguiera, and im beginning to see the old Noguiera come back to life! It's gonna be pretty exciting! I won't be surprised if Nogueira reclaims the UFC heavyweight belt soon!
dude, i was qouting mir, he said that in the video if you listend. and i am not a newbie actully i've been watching MMA for a couple years right now.i got whole lot of PRIDE dvds and and the UFC ultimate collection.
There are also judges that can make that distinction. Just because the ref doesn't see it doesn't mean it wont count as a submission. I fought MMA the whole time I was in the Army. It is about putting on a good match and still being able to fight. Anybody fighter that holds onto a submission after the second tap is either ignorant or out to injure somebody. I was in 37 fights and I won 10 of those by submission and I never broke any of my opponents bones.
mir wasn't saying that to be disrespectful...he was actually giving nog his props...people really should check the context of the statement before making comments...it make you look bad...
What if he taps but the ref doesn't see it? He releases then the guy that gets caught can go back and go "Oh I didn't tap this should be a no contest or restart the fight" Like i said before its his job to keep the submission locked in until the ref sees and stops it. Soon as the ref sees the tap the fight is over that's why when you see something locked in and the fighter feels the tap he looks to the ref to make sure he sees it so he can let go.
I always welcome anyone who has a good attitude and wants to learn... N. California is a great place for mmartist.... to train. you got aka in san jose, ceaser gracie in stockton, fairtex in san fransisco and countless other gyms... IM me I'll give some info if your ever in N. California..
Possibly, but i think its an early stoppage! We all know how much punishment Noguiera can take, and i felt it was a premature stoppage! I honestly felt like it was done on purpose to get the Mir vs Lesnar rematch! I really felt that match should've gone longer! I guarantee you if Mir and Nogueira has a rematch, Noguiera will beat him!
well in this case randy couture was the champ but due to legal batles and bullshit he was out of the ufc for a while which opened the door for tim sylvia and nog to fight for the vacant belt cuz randy wasnt there, but randy got everything lined up and came back and fought brock so now brock has randys belt and mir has nogs interim belt and they are both going to fight each other to unify tthe two
@133lash I remeber a long time ago, ken shamrock fought royce graice and shamrock got choked and tapped, gracie let go, and the ref was like keep fighting, gracie said he tapped, and shamrock admitted, so the fight was over...It was one of the first UFC fights ever, probably like UFC 1 or 3 or something...Nowadays, I'm not sure, I'd guess they would look at the tape and see, so many camera's there, they'd pretty much have to catch it...
@teamShotFilms Its not his job to release on the first two taps dude, he gets a submission locked in its his job to keep it there untill the ref stops it....and for the record one of those breaks Tim Sylvia didn't tap so...yeah
@emoslayer884 Prime?? Nog is only 33 and didnt he just get KOed by Cain recently. Maybe what u mean to say is that Nog has had so many fights that it has sort of weakened him.
do you really want to compare resume's kid? Im 28 years old.. at the age of 6 my father enrolled me into kotaka shito ryu... I didn't come from a cookie cutter dojo, took me 15 years to get a black belt.. started crosstraining in 95 when ken, frank and oleg ran the lions gym in lodi, ca when it was behind the antionio's restraunt... I currently train fighters from team alpha male in sacramento and triple A boxing in modesto.. your turn sunny..
@tristanv1, You deliberately cherry-picked the title of this video. And you should go fix it. Right now it's not fair to Mir and it's not fair to Nogueira.
yh i have said that nog will get the title back for a long tym. i was jus sayin that him beatin mir might not be as easy as people think. mir has better stand up and they both have top level bjj. i would giv a the edge to nog but its unfair 4me 2say that as i like nog more then mir.
1-called NOG pathetic 2-disrespected lesnar's win over randy couture 3- Said fedor should retire go home and disappear 4- In his most recent interview in the WEC he said that Anderson silva was to small to fight him and that he would easily rip his shoulder right out of the socket.
guys just give up. stirs11 obviously won't listen to anything anyone says and obviously doesn't know much about fighting, considering the lack of recognition of randy's performance against brock. and based on his attitude, is most likely 13 years old.
One other thing is a lot of the broken bones in MMA happen in a snap (no pun intended) one minute the fighter thinks hes fine then boom hes got a broke arm, leg, ankle, and so on
Yeah, Noguiera always seem to win hard earned fights! It's never easy for him! lol~ But if they get close to 3 rounds, Nog's endurance will probably give him the edge! It'll be hard earned fight but Nog will win!
that might be tru itself, everybody was talking about a rematch between Lesnar/Mir and Dana White mightve wanted it. and yes i think Nog fully healed will beat Mir, i mean i love Mir but he is no match for a person like a fully healed Nog. And Nog's BJJ is far more supirior than Mir's.
credits to mir, but I still think they stopped a little prematurely.... I mean let's face it, big Nog made a career on his back and by frustrating ground and pounders... they stopped the fight just as it was about to 'start'.... maybe they knew that....?
if you do run a gym I would be delighted to come a try it out and maybe train for awhile because I am willing to go to any gym and learn new things but no offence belts mean nothing to me man because someone could have a black belt in BJJ and lose a grappling match to a wrestler or another grappler it all depends on the fighter. If I am ever in sacramento I will drop by your gym and see what you can teach me that is as long as you really own a gym until I drop by there I will never really know.
i think the ref stopped it because Nog dropped his arms for a sec., i think he was gonna reposition himslef, but HD thot he going out, thats why i think he stopped it
by the way carwin pulled a rabbit out of the hat against gonzaga. carwin was on his heels and gonzaga got excited and got caught... but it's funny you can't even tell from there form, who has the better teachnique... gonzaga's hands have more technique, gonzaga's bounce is more coordinated, better kicks, better ground game... if you were to ask who is the more skill full fighter gonzaga or carwin, what do yout think people would say.. but your a novice you can't see these things.
carwin beat gonzaga, I dont doubt gonzaga has heavier hands but he seems wild and I just dont like him thus to me he sucks and since you were so quick to say you own an mma gym whats your name and whats your gym called and where is it located? I am 17 years old my name is roman brochu I have been training in MMA for the past year in the advance class I train at northcoast MMA under kelly mcmahon I have done wrestling for 8 years taekwondo for 1, judo for 2 and muay thai for 2. your turn
Only if someone drops into the hold so far that the other person doesn't even have a chance to tap... or if the guy is dumb as rocks and doesn't know his own limits and refuses to tap.
gonzaga is clearly more skill full but carwin won just like mir has more skill then brock (unless you count his effectiveness in smothering opponents which one day may become legendary just because thats what he has done his whole life and its a classic wrestler trait) but brock won. I am not comparing resumes I wanted to know more about what you do so I gave a breif discription of myself it was basically being polite.
hmm many people claim to run gyms and those who do usually keep there mouths shut online because they have better things to do. Ontop of that I guess comming off of a bike accident doesnt explain why he was beat so badly in those fights I mean hell if you get injured badly and took some time off and then came to fight you would just pull through and crush your opponents right lol and I guess beating a heath herring after getting subbed makes you earn a shot at the title right?
are you fukin serious frank mir won the 1 fight with lasner just because he was lucky .. but the second fight he got fucked up.. and he says he can beat Fedor come on every one know frank will get fuked .. I think if Fedor and Lesnor will fight that fight will be a real fight cause bouth of them are like the best fighters in their weight class.
I watch mma as a whole sport, you watch the ufc ... your tellin me brock deserved a title shot after beating an washed up herring who hasn't scraped top 10 since 2002, then beats a blown up, inactive, middle aged lhw who was sidelined by contratual issues for over a year (randy). and that warrants a title shot? werdum beat to top 10ers in vera and gonzaga and was still forced to fight a then unknown dos santos. don't kid yourself, potentail wise mir isn't top 15..
I think u just described how the first Fedor fight was, u see this guy has been through much worse situations and survived and i have one question how can u improve ur position when u r getting punched in the face several times? Yes heavyweight punches u smart ass. The guy just recover idiot dont ask me how watch his fights.
@stirs11 ok re read this whole debate or w/e u wanna call it..ufc bought pride and alot of the popular and "best" pride fighters came to ufc. then anderson silva came to the ufc and beat all the fighters the ufc threw at him.. where does ur argument stand? u said one thing and just disproved wat u just said.. although pride had better competition back in the day ufc has 95% of the best fighters.. Silva wasnt even as good as he is now when he was in pride.
lol wow really? he went 3-2 in pride..he only had 5 fights..the ufc has the best fighters in the world aside from a few fighters that arent in it..y did so many ppl from pride come to ufc?
Minot in this fight did not do what she does best, letting it hit the end ... and then Frank Mir is a shit ... zero values like humility and lesnnar that if you kick ass ... and the Minotaur and Machida them are examples of great warriors inside and outside the ring too ... and Fedor
hahahahahaha, your so funny.... mir wouldn't hold the hw belt in dream or sengoku... his title run was manufactured just like brocks.... green fighters like cain and gonzaga will slap the shit outta smir... thanks for the laugh broham...
What a card this was, an interim heavyweight match between Mir and Big Nog. The grudge match between Rampage and the Axe Murderer and the Light Heavy Weight Championship between Griffin and Evans. Today's days interim fights and non title fights are main events sometimes.
No, in the fight big nog said he was almost fully healed, and he even said "Frank Mir was the better fighter that night, he caught me alot with the hits and he was the better man"
Did you see the Noguiera vs Couture fight?
What i saw in that fight is a ruthless, strong,
and hungry Noguiera! He finally had that look back when he was dominating the Pride heavyweight division where he stayed unbeaten for like 3 years until Fedor came in and beat him!
Trust me, Mir is no match against the old Noguiera, and im beginning to see the old Noguiera come back to life! It's gonna be pretty exciting! I won't be surprised if Nogueira reclaims the UFC heavyweight belt soon!
Mir all the way
Mir is going to win the Rematch at ufc 119.. His Boxing is better than ever and his
ju-jitsu is really good....
Franks a legend.
You are sooo right.Guys like Wandy,Ken Shamrock and Big Nog needs to retire soon so that when they retire they will still be remembered as a bad ass
nobody can take so many hard hits like Nogueira man ............. not even the great Fedor could ko-win against Nogueira ............. respect !!!
Frank Mir will never hold another UFC belt.
dude, i was qouting mir, he said that in the video if you listend. and i am not a newbie actully i've been watching MMA for a couple years right now.i got whole lot of PRIDE dvds and and the UFC ultimate collection.
Nog was in the hospital for three weeks before that fight, and when he fought he had a staph infection.
yea i agree, i like them both but anyone that can go full rounds with Fedor deserves a lot of respect. That's why i'm going with Nogueira.
There are also judges that can make that distinction. Just because the ref doesn't see it doesn't mean it wont count as a submission. I fought MMA the whole time I was in the Army. It is about putting on a good match and still being able to fight. Anybody fighter that holds onto a submission after the second tap is either ignorant or out to injure somebody. I was in 37 fights and I won 10 of those by submission and I never broke any of my opponents bones.
MIr was so much faster and more aggressive before his motorcycle accident! He has never been the same since...
Mir is the man. Speaks the truth and delivers a mean over hand right from hell :]
Not to mention he's the only guy in MMA that's broken 2 guys armsss
Frank Mir sometimes sounds very arrogant, but I'd say 85% of the time he speaks the truth.
mir wasn't saying that to be disrespectful...he was actually giving nog his props...people really should check the context of the statement before making comments...it make you look bad...
What if he taps but the ref doesn't see it? He releases then the guy that gets caught can go back and go "Oh I didn't tap this should be a no contest or restart the fight" Like i said before its his job to keep the submission locked in until the ref sees and stops it. Soon as the ref sees the tap the fight is over that's why when you see something locked in and the fighter feels the tap he looks to the ref to make sure he sees it so he can let go.
I always welcome anyone who has a good attitude and wants to learn... N. California is a great place for mmartist.... to train. you got aka in san jose, ceaser gracie in stockton, fairtex in san fransisco and countless other gyms... IM me I'll give some info if your ever in N. California..
Possibly, but i think its an early stoppage! We all know how much punishment Noguiera can take,
and i felt it was a premature stoppage! I honestly felt like it was done on purpose to get the Mir
vs Lesnar rematch! I really felt that match should've gone longer! I guarantee you if Mir and Nogueira has a rematch, Noguiera will beat him!
well in this case randy couture was the champ but due to legal batles and bullshit he was out of the ufc for a while which opened the door for tim sylvia and nog to fight for the vacant belt cuz randy wasnt there, but randy got everything lined up and came back and fought brock so now brock has randys belt and mir has nogs interim belt and they are both going to fight each other to unify tthe two
@133lash I remeber a long time ago, ken shamrock fought royce graice and shamrock got choked and tapped, gracie let go, and the ref was like keep fighting, gracie said he tapped, and shamrock admitted, so the fight was over...It was one of the first UFC fights ever, probably like UFC 1 or 3 or something...Nowadays, I'm not sure, I'd guess they would look at the tape and see, so many camera's there, they'd pretty much have to catch it...
if you call 4 people everyone, yes
A tap is a tap. If he didn't tap, that's his fault, but if a guy taps, you release. The goal is to make them SUBMIT, not break something.
@teamShotFilms Its not his job to release on the first two taps dude, he gets a submission locked in its his job to keep it there untill the ref stops it....and for the record one of those breaks Tim Sylvia didn't tap so...yeah
@emoslayer884 Prime?? Nog is only 33 and didnt he just get KOed by Cain recently. Maybe what u mean to say is that Nog has had so many fights that it has sort of weakened him.
The vid's tittle is SOOOOooooo MISSLEADING!!!
do you really want to compare resume's kid? Im 28 years old.. at the age of 6 my father enrolled me into kotaka shito ryu... I didn't come from a cookie cutter dojo, took me 15 years to get a black belt.. started crosstraining in 95 when ken, frank and oleg ran the lions gym in lodi, ca when it was behind the antionio's restraunt... I currently train fighters from team alpha male in sacramento and triple A boxing in modesto.. your turn sunny..
Because the only fighter he lost to that he didn't avenge his loss to was Fedor Emelianenko.
So this makes sense...
everybody kicks nogueiras ass first, then gets caught
so true but that what makes him great, he leads his opponants to where hes good at , his back.
@tristanv1,
You deliberately cherry-picked the title of this video. And you should go fix it. Right now it's not fair to Mir and it's not fair to Nogueira.
who's the black dude with the purple knee guards at 2:06?
@tinman765 that's what we've been hearing his last few fights...
yh i have said that nog will get the title back for a long tym. i was jus sayin that him beatin mir might not be as easy as people think. mir has better stand up and they both have top level bjj. i would giv a the edge to nog but its unfair 4me 2say that as i like nog more then mir.
lesner does suck but frank mir is unreal so talented
1-called NOG pathetic
2-disrespected lesnar's win over randy couture
3- Said fedor should retire go home and disappear
4- In his most recent interview in the WEC he said that Anderson silva was to small to fight him and that he would easily rip his shoulder right out of the socket.
@Tastelikeold Thanks.
guys just give up. stirs11 obviously won't listen to anything anyone says and obviously doesn't know much about fighting, considering the lack of recognition of randy's performance against brock. and based on his attitude, is most likely 13 years old.
One other thing is a lot of the broken bones in MMA happen in a snap (no pun intended) one minute the fighter thinks hes fine then boom hes got a broke arm, leg, ankle, and so on
Yeah, Noguiera always seem to win hard earned fights! It's never easy for him! lol~ But if they get
close to 3 rounds, Nog's endurance will probably
give him the edge! It'll be hard earned fight but Nog will win!
that might be tru itself, everybody was talking about a rematch between Lesnar/Mir and Dana White mightve wanted it. and yes i think Nog fully healed will beat Mir, i mean i love Mir but he is no match for a person like a fully healed Nog. And Nog's BJJ is far more supirior than Mir's.
credits to mir, but I still think they stopped a little prematurely....
I mean let's face it, big Nog made a career on his back and by frustrating ground and pounders... they stopped the fight just as it was about to 'start'.... maybe they knew that....?
I'm surprised people even care about what Mir says.
i like them both but i have to go with nogueira
@kinicki22 On the ground I give Mir the submition advantage and Nogueira the grappling advantage, but Mir has stronger standup.
if you do run a gym I would be delighted to come a try it out and maybe train for awhile because I am willing to go to any gym and learn new things but no offence belts mean nothing to me man because someone could have a black belt in BJJ and lose a grappling match to a wrestler or another grappler it all depends on the fighter. If I am ever in sacramento I will drop by your gym and see what you can teach me that is as long as you really own a gym until I drop by there I will never really know.
@0XXSTR0XX1 No shit Brock is just another win under Carwin's belt
i think the ref stopped it because Nog dropped his arms for a sec., i think he was gonna reposition himslef, but HD thot he going out, thats why i think he stopped it
@W6COllirac solo reason he's even good
by the way carwin pulled a rabbit out of the hat against gonzaga. carwin was on his heels and gonzaga got excited and got caught... but it's funny you can't even tell from there form, who has the better teachnique... gonzaga's hands have more technique, gonzaga's bounce is more coordinated, better kicks, better ground game... if you were to ask who is the more skill full fighter gonzaga or carwin, what do yout think people would say.. but your a novice you can't see these things.
Brock Lesnar vs Mike Tyson. Enough said.
you dont watch any MMA do you? lesner beat heath and got a title shot... after a loss wtf? frank was off with an injury and is a very skilled fighter
Mir talks sooo much ...
nogueira looks like hes 50
nog was out...
he fought terrible that night. I think he was sick
carwin beat gonzaga, I dont doubt gonzaga has heavier hands but he seems wild and I just dont like him thus to me he sucks and since you were so quick to say you own an mma gym whats your name and whats your gym called and where is it located?
I am 17 years old my name is roman brochu I have been training in MMA for the past year in the advance class I train at northcoast MMA under kelly mcmahon I have done wrestling for 8 years taekwondo for 1, judo for 2 and muay thai for 2. your turn
Everybody kicks mIR'S ass--- soon u gonna see this!
Hmmmm....I didn't get it.
Only if someone drops into the hold so far that the other person doesn't even have a chance to tap... or if the guy is dumb as rocks and doesn't know his own limits and refuses to tap.
gonzaga is clearly more skill full but carwin won just like mir has more skill then brock (unless you count his effectiveness in smothering opponents which one day may become legendary just because thats what he has done his whole life and its a classic wrestler trait) but brock won. I am not comparing resumes I wanted to know more about what you do so I gave a breif discription of myself it was basically being polite.
hmm many people claim to run gyms and those who do usually keep there mouths shut online because they have better things to do. Ontop of that I guess comming off of a bike accident doesnt explain why he was beat so badly in those fights I mean hell if you get injured badly and took some time off and then came to fight you would just pull through and crush your opponents right lol and I guess beating a heath herring after getting subbed makes you earn a shot at the title right?
@jack11643 Thats a shame.
are you fukin serious frank mir won the 1 fight with lasner just because he was lucky .. but the second fight he got fucked up.. and he says he can beat Fedor come on every one know frank will get fuked .. I think if Fedor and Lesnor will fight that fight will be a real fight cause bouth of them are like the best fighters in their weight class.
I watch mma as a whole sport, you watch the ufc ... your tellin me brock deserved a title shot after beating an washed up herring who hasn't scraped top 10 since 2002, then beats a blown up, inactive, middle aged lhw who was sidelined by contratual issues for over a year (randy). and that warrants a title shot? werdum beat to top 10ers in vera and gonzaga and was still forced to fight a then unknown dos santos. don't kid yourself, potentail wise mir isn't top 15..
I think u just described how the first Fedor fight was, u see this guy has been through much worse situations and survived and i have one question how can u improve ur position when u r getting punched in the face several times? Yes heavyweight punches u smart ass. The guy just recover idiot dont ask me how watch his fights.
LOL no he wasnt..and if thats wat u truly believe then how do u explain him winning every fight here in the ufc? and also embarassing forrest griffin?
Sure, UFC is so great 2 former cha=mpions were defeated by a fake wrestler.
@stirs11 ok re read this whole debate or w/e u wanna call it..ufc bought pride and alot of the popular and "best" pride fighters came to ufc. then anderson silva came to the ufc and beat all the fighters the ufc threw at him.. where does ur argument stand? u said one thing and just disproved wat u just said.. although pride had better competition back in the day ufc has 95% of the best fighters.. Silva wasnt even as good as he is now when he was in pride.
lol wow really? he went 3-2 in pride..he only had 5 fights..the ufc has the best fighters in the world aside from a few fighters that arent in it..y did so many ppl from pride come to ufc?
Minot in this fight did not do what she does best, letting it hit the end ... and then Frank Mir is a shit ... zero values like humility and lesnnar that if you kick ass ... and the Minotaur and Machida them are examples of great warriors inside and outside the ring too ... and Fedor
ultimatefighter go tell it to Mike Tyson. & u can then get back to me after picking all ur teeth off the floor..
Oh i see, sorry i thought u were being sarcastic. Peace.
hahahahahaha, your so funny.... mir wouldn't hold the hw belt in dream or sengoku... his title run was manufactured just like brocks.... green fighters like cain and gonzaga will slap the shit outta smir... thanks for the laugh broham...
Nobody? LOL!! Coming from a "nobody" that's funny
lolwessimms