Mentorship, Rudeness, and Beginner Shaming Culture
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Let's bring into light one of the most toxic cultures in tech, not only here in the Philippines but all around the world.
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For me, eto rule of thumbs ko:
For posters: there are no stupid questions, but there are lazy questions. If you want to get better answers, show what you’ve tried. “Kahit ginoogle ko pero di ko naintindihan abc”
To commenters: educate dont hate. Sooner or later, you’ll need guidance yourself. Might as well put something in the karma bank so that when you seek guidance yourself, somebody will go out of their way to help you
Ung mga tao na pinipili at sinasadya na maging rude sa iba ay walang puwang sa kahit anong community.
True. What's the point of joining communities if you aren't there to help out? 😅
It's so great I stumbled upon your channel!
Thank you, kind sir!
Way back in 2010ish, I started developing desktop applications. I was pumped and hyped because I found it fun. Sobrang dami kong tanong about programming back then, but there was this one guy on the internet who answered one of my questions in a blunt and kinda harsh way.. After non, I got discouraged and hesitated to ask for help again. From time to time I'm doing "self-learn". But man! iba pa rin ang may community. Salamat sa encouragement Kuya Dev!
Some people don't understand the power of words. 😅 Salamat sa pagshare.
THUMBS UP TO YOU KUYA DEVV
Thanks! 🙏
you got my respect Kuya lahat hindi lang meaningful sinabi kundi emphatetic pa specially on how i positively see he treats not only for developer community but for all humanity..bravo subscribed nako.. naka kuha kami inspiration and insight kung paano maging makatao sa iyong community or to surrounding people
Maraming salamat! 🙏
Actually, sakit din kasi ng seniors at managers yan. Hondi naman siya ego tripping pero kapag malayo na ang alam mo as a senior, you find newbie questions stupid. Nakakalimutan ng seniors at managers na nagong newbie din naman sila ang asked stupid questions once in awhile. For example, sa culinary nga lang, nung bago ako, I asked a question kung nasasn yung ice cream. Sumagot yung senior, hanapin mo sa chemical room! Hinanap ko nga doon. Years later nung head chef na ako, oo nga naman. Napaka stupid nung tanong ko. Ano naman ginagawa ng ice cream kasama yung floorwax. Hahahahahaha
Kaya siguro, tao lang naman kasi ang seniors, natangahan na sila sa tanong ng bago. Nungbago ako sa tech, tinanong ko sa kasama ko sa cloud computing na magpapagawa cliente ko ng VOIP. Sagot niya cloud computing kami pare, I can refer someone else. Now, years later, I realize na napaka gago ng tanong ko. Hahahahaha.
Ganda ng topic! in short always humble at help everyone who needs help, in able ways
Salamat! 😍
kasali ako sa isang group na Programmers, Developers tapos may nagtanong dun na beginner ata, may sumagot na medyo pilosopo kaya BINIRA ko sya.
mga tingin ko sa ganun MAS BAGUHAN e.
Saka tingin ko sa mga rude na ganyan, mga hindi nagta-trabaho sa CORPORATE world (walang professionalism). in short, colorum lang or squatter dev 😆
Making assumptions about strangers on the Internet is no better. 😅
Summary:
If you feel to answer, Answer their question directly and give some points and resources.
If hindi mo feel sagutin (maybe paulit ulit at you feel tired answering those questions ng maraming beses na), then wag mo lang sagutin.
i hope there is a stackoverflow but for stupid questions
Haha. Great idea. That would make for a good project actually. Eyy? Eyyy. Haha
Ano monitor nyo po Kuya Dev?
Kuya dev salamat po
Salamat rin!
This is one of the reasons why hindi na ako nagppost ng question sa sikat na dev group sa FB. And nakakatawa kasi coincidentally may napanood akong video na akmang-akma rito. Ang sabi, may dalawang version raw ng dev: 1. Mga may Imposter Syndrome, 2. Mga may Superiority Complex.
Oo, at a certain point pangit ang spoon feeding, pero sana wag niyo kalimutan na wala naman mawawala sa inyo kung tutulungan niyo na lang yung juniors niyo. Siguro kayo you took matters on your own pero just because kinaya niyo e wag niyo gawing requirement na dapat pagdaan rin ng juniors ang hardships niyo. Gawin niyong goal na hindi ma-experience ng upcoming juniors yung hardships niyo para mas ma-encourage silang pumasok sa tech industry.
Oo, challenges are good to improve pero sana hindi kayo yung mismong challenge sa juniors niyo.
Preach! Salamat sa pagshare ng experience!
Yeah, kahit sa beginners andyan din yan.
May superiority complex na gusto sagutin agad sila ng mga tao, ayaw na nila ng guide to resources or any type of guide.
Ginagawa nilang stackoverflow mga communities eh. Yung pangit rin kasi is walang voting system ang mga posts and comments sa facebook, kaya mas madali mag gain traction mga repeatitive questions like "bakit di to gumagana".
Pareho mali yung nagtatanong tsaka nagsasagot eh.
Siguro the best answer would be a google search link to a stack overflow answer.
Isa din kasi yun na problem sa mga beginners is di nila alam pano gamitin ang google, di nila alam pano gumamit ng keywords.
Mahirap din kasi ituro kung pano mag google, kasi it comes with experience, sometimes you search the literal error message and sometimes you need to paraphrase it to get a certain result.
Isa din yan na problem with filipinos especially newbies, english is not their strong point, kaya di talaga papabor sa kanila ang google results.
Nde tlaga mawawala yan,, sa kumpanya nga pg baguhan ka, ung mga tenured feeling owner eh,, sad 😥
Yeah, that's why we're calling it out, and denormalizing it. 😁
Niceee. May duck rin kuya Dev! Classmate ata kita sa Harvard😂
Harvard CS50x? Haha
na encounter ko din po moment na meron akong medio hindi na intindihan sa graphql nag tanong lng ako reguarding sa part ng graphql na hindi ko na intindihan ang sabi ng co worker ko na backend din na diba nag oopensource ka diba so dapat alam mo yan and on that day na yon hindi na ako nag tatanong
Aray ko naman. Sana wala ka na sa team na yun. 😅
@@KuyaDevPodcast ni laid off din nila ako after two weeks gusto ko sana mag excel nung time na yun caso ti nurn down nila curiosity ko and sinabotahe ko sarili ko and kya ngayon nag aaply ulit and nag hahanas din sa part na medio may kulang ako 😂
sa panahon ngaun mahirap na mag share, pag nag share k ng jargon, irresearch/chatgpt lang, pag maganda naman ung idea na share mo, deretsong training material agad ng mga may training business dyan.
Simple lang naman ung sagod dito, pero secret ko nalang, pag basa ko sa comment section wala pang nakasagot.
I aspire for a day when everyone feels safe and motivated to ask and answer questions. And everyone helps one another get better at asking and answering questions. 🙏
agree dito Kuya Dev. Nangyayari to sa team namin ngayon.
As a person currently trying to learn web development na wala talagang alam, totoo yung sabi niyo sir.natatakot magtanong yung mga bago.keep promoting this kind of culture.more power to you sir.❤
Thank you din sa mga nakakausap ko sa tech meetups na nagbibigay pa ng tips.haha
Salamat rin sa panonood at suporta! Best of luck sa learning journey!
Hindi mo na talaga matatanggal yan sa lahat ng community master. As long na may bagong papasok na beginners at meron din bagong toxic dev na papasok sa community. Mag memeet parin mga landas nila para sa ganyan conversations.
Pero kudos sayo master na di ka parin nag-gigive up sa pag remind sa lahat. Yun ginagawa mo din kasi talaga yung pinagkaiba kesa sa ibang community.
gawin ng juniors yung 15 minute rule and yung seniors ituro yung 15 minute rule. :)
I experienced this first hand 3years in corp tech palang siguro ko nito. Other devs will shame you and laugh at you lalo na kung alam nilang parang i basic ng question. There are two sickness lang sa pagiging Dev for me it is impostor syndrome and superiority complex. My advice to fellow Devs na nakaka ranas nito is keep pushing kahit ngayon mahirap e gets yung tech stack or language their will become a time na magiging gets mo din. Also avoid surface knowledge laging alamin kung ano yung ginagawa behind the hoods. Ayun lang. Sorry sa rant, Just a shame lang no matter your experience we don't have to shame others kasi same nila nag simula din lahat ng senior sa HELLO WORLD!!!
Salamat sa paglalahad ng iyong karanasan. 🙏
Hypothetical lang paano kong magtanong tapos feel mo talaga nagtanong lang na wala siyang ginawa na research prior. How would you answer?
Let's say sabihin niya he did okay tulongan.
Pero paano sa mga hindi ? This could be part of spoon feeding.
How to politely sa na do your own research first. Wahehehehe
Kung face to face ba nag tanong yung tao ganyan din isasagot mo? hehe,
Majority naman sa atin willing tayo sumagot politely at baka kumikislap pa mata natin kasi meron ibang taong interesado matuto sa ginagawa natin.
"Great question. May I ask what things have you already done? Or kung ano na naiintindihan mo? So that I'd know how to guide you better." 😁
Pag ang sagot niya wala pa...
"Okay read up first on [give topics/keywords], then come back to me with which concepts make sense and which don't make sense."
@@KuyaDevPodcast pede na pang Miss U. Ganyan lang dapat talaga ang sagot. Thanks nanotice mo comment ko.
Yung ibang mga "seniors" sa mga fb communities is medyo mataas ang ego, sometimes kahit ibang mga juniors nga eh, nagka 2-3 years experience nagmamayabang na hahaha.
hindi sila seniors, mga ignorante yun.
grabee sobrang relate dito bossing! na experience ko ito before nag try akong mag tanong sa kakilala kong Snr dev.. ang sagot sakin ' i search mo ' :D. after non di na ako nag tatanong sa mga kakilala kong alam kong magagaling hahaha nag chat gpt na lng ako
Awts. Marami namang maaayos na seniors. Sana makachamba ka. If not, andyan naman mga community natin. 😁
Sir mas maganda po malagyan nyo ng english subtitles.
Enge oras. Haha. Bahala na ang YT AI transcription. 😂
Parang kultura sa food technology at kusina. Hahahahaha. Diyan ako galing at mukhang yan nanaman ang patutungihan ko sa Tech. Lol
hindi yan mawawala sa pinoy pero ibang-iba ang kultura kapag ibang lahi specially mga Germans or Belgians ang babait sa mga beginners
@@omaewamoushindeiru1108 Hmmm. I accumulated my experience overseas but I worked here in PH as a fresh grad. Tama ka.
Agree
Oo nga eh daming nerdong rude
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I-ChatGPT mo nalang. Laos na c Google 😂