@@RachelSouthard I’m going to kcu osteopathic medical school. Do any of your patients ask you about the DO degree in your practice? Are you highly regarding amongst your MD peers? Are you compensated the same as MD peers? Thanks!
The residency system needs to improve! As someone else suggested, 60 hour limit work week with overtime pay once 40 hours are surpassed. No more 24 hour shifts, to prevent errors and improve sleep and mental health. It’s 2024, we ALL must speak up now. It’s time. No more learned helplessness. We can be the change 📣🗣
The simplest way to protest the way residents are treated is to encourage others not to become residents. This country operates on supply and demand. every year there's more people wanting to get a residency than there are slots. Which allows those in control of the position to be abusive. if people stop pursuing this career I'm telling you they'll pay more its that simple.
@@jestina1292 In order to become a practicing doctor and get a medical license in the US, you need to complete a residency program. We will always need more doctors since the current doctors won't live forever. So, it's unrealistic to just say stop coming residents which basically translates to stop becoming doctors. And the number of med school and residency slots is low on purpose to increase "competition". If the number of people applying to med school and residency shrunk a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if the med school and residency spots shrunk also to maintain the same deficit.
@@livelaugh53042 I'm saying for a couple years nobody applied to med school which of course is not possible but I'm telling you if that happens residents would see an increase in salary. I've heard so many residents playing that it's a totally unfair deal and it is but so many people want to become doctors and so many people's lifelong dream go to any elementary school have the students will tell you that dream is become a doctor because it's such a dream job they take advantage of people who are willing to do it. I know one thing my kids aren't becoming doctors they're not working as slaves. I've lost someone in my family who became a doctor during her residency she died and there really is no cause of death determine but I'm 100% sure it was due to the stress. It's a stupid thing to pursue and these people are being taken advantage of but it's their own fault....
@@livelaugh53042 yeah we will always need doctors but the world doesn't realize that yet because it isn't a big deal to treat people who want to do this like crap So when the country really really feels the deficit will reorganize the way residency works. Residency is ridiculous it's basically slavery and the only reason it's allowed is because more people want to become doctors than we need.
@@livelaugh53042 I totally agree that this country needs doctors and teachers. But we don't act like it :-( The most important careers never have to struggle to recruit people.
I used to work at a hospital. Watching resident doctors be treated like dogs and get yelled at for being tired and working 100 hour weeks was horrifying. It just infuriates me that they’re allowed to do that to people. I think a cap at 60 hours max is more than fair and making them pay overtime. I heard there’s some unionizing efforts among residents and I hope they succeed. Residents deserve better and I feel like at this point it’s a hazing ritual with the mindset, “well I had to do it so now you have to suffer too.”
Thank you for your support, you are spot on! I didn’t think about the hazing but yes actually that you bring it up it is like that. Thank you for your insight!
I think a group of doctors tried to sue the aamc and form a union for residents and the united states court sided with the double aamc against doctors unionizing.
"I'M A PERSON TOO." I used those exact words when confronting administration at my residency program about treating us inhumanely last year. One thing that wasn't mentioned that makes residency emotionally so hard is it robs highly motivated and capable individuals of their AGENCY. Not having that internal locus of control can really sap one's mental wellbeing.
She whines way too much. Stop it. If medicine is affecting you that much, take a break from social media and deal with it. It's completely immature and narcissistic to put social clout above your mental health.
I keep getting them recommended. I DO NOT WATCH THEM because it's not healthy for anyone to watch someone break down that much. You don't know this person, stop pretending as if you do. She's histrionic and everything else associated with that type of personality disorder. "Influencers" are narcs, plain and simple.@@Bcdf-ei9el
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lz Her RUclips channel is dedicated to showing the reality of medicine and that includes challenging moments. It takes an immense amount of honesty and bravery to publicly admit you are struggling which most residents are! Whether you appreciate it or not, she is an inspiration to many people both in and out of healthcare.
Dear Kevin, as a former resident I really resonate with all of this content. I really love medicine and that is the reason why everyone goes into it. we love learning about the body, doing research, and just find everything fascinating. But once entered the hospital system as a resident it was like I was a just a slave. A slave to write notes, to do other menial tasks for the hospital system. In the training I felt like it was more about getting things done because other people needed it to be done and less about my actual training and growth as a doctor. It was so shocking. I was being used all throughout my years in ways I didn't even realize until I reflect now. There was one day in the end of residency where I was in so much visible stress that the chief resident stepped aside and asked me how I was doing and I started crying because i was not able to control my emotions. That then lead to a series of actions that just made it best for me to quit residency. Just want to say I was not supported by the residency, and it seemed like everything day do they make your life a lot more miserable. So yeah its a difficult system to stay afloat in. I do miss medicine and the patient cases and work, but I have to admit I am so much happier and healthier now. I am trying to make my path forward now and I am deciding on what is best and correct for me. Thank you for your content and support!
@@malcolmjelani3588 and that’s why you were never a doctor. No one goes into it for the money. If we’re really paid what we’re worth, you wouldn’t be able to afford your health insurance. So stfu.
@@malcolmjelani3588you do realize it’s working 80+ hour work weeks, for 3-8 years after the 4 years of medical school and after the 4 years of undergrad getting paid salary equating to about $15 an hour for 3-8 years while having to pay for student loans and your cost of living. But I do agree that people are doing it, so it’s not impossible. Just thought I would shine some light on this topic to you to gather the full perspective. Oh yeah and on top of everything you barely have time for family and friends because you have to take a test after residency and squeeze studying in during residency 👍🏾
ER resident here. My specialty is less time consuming for sure but I feel like me and everybody I know in residency goes through this mental battle on a daily basis. The demands just come at you from every angle and I’ve felt depressed many times. I use to think similarly of how are you burnt out when your just starting but the feeling is real
I started off my undergrad as premed chem but switched to chemical engineering as a plan b so that if med school didn’t work out I’d still have a good career path. During my senior year of college, the time came to apply to med school and I had to ask myself the question if it’s something I really could afford. And it wasn’t, I couldn’t keep waitressing on the weekends and making as much as a dishwasher as a resident. I graduated with my ChemE degree and my starting salary was 75k, after 5 years I went up to around $130k and now I’m at 150k base salary. With bonuses and stocks I’m around $200k. Had I gone into medical school I’d be graduating around now (assuming I failed no classes) and just starting to make an income. Sometimes I wish I would have gone down the doctor path but the student loan debt, the monopolization of healthcare, all the protocols, just turned me away from it. I’m happy with the path my life took.
As an intern I can attest to all of these statements and many mentioned by others. However, the system won’t change because the same toxic behaviors that are exhibited by attendings are taken on whether consciously or subconsciously by residents. They then repeat the same behaviors. They feel as if “i suffered during residency, so you should too” instead of being the positive change that we all need. It really is sad. I hope things change 🙏🏾🙏🏾
That's why people need to break the cycle. Also as a patient, I really don't want a tired doctor. Maybe patients and residents should come together, because they want the same.
It takes courage and strength to be vulnerable about one's mental health or physical health challenges. I commend both Drs. Rachel and Kevin for sharing their experiences. Thank you!
I love that you bring light to this and are understanding of her struggle. I'm a first year medical student. This scares me when I think about residency honestly
Yup. This happens in other countries, too. The first year was the hardest. Really horrible for mental health. If it’s feasible to access professional help, get it. And if not, good luck. This too shall pass.
Good on her for talking about this topic because it is important. It's crazy because even as an attending, there is some hardship there as well, especially early on. It's exciting to complete residency training and become an attending because we believe that it will be better, but even attendings burnout. I was one of them. And no one warns you about this stuff. Exceptional time management skills, learning how to work smart and be productive, and prioritizing my personal life and freedom outside of work was what helped me become a more well-rounded attending with good balance. Just a heads up for residents transitioning into attending roles.
What about seeking residency outside the U.S. think it would be any better? This is absolutely insane. I love her channel, by the way. Thanks for reacting to this
I'm on my journey to becoming a doctor. I'm about to start my transitionary master's program in August before fully going to medical school. One of my biggest worries is the salary and the work hours. On paper, the residency salary looks pretty good. For my current preferred specialty of radiology, the highest paid residents are paid an average of a little less than $110,000 a year. I feel like when the ACGME hour cap was cut to 80 from 100, salaries were cut too to compensate. You're still making the same amount of money per hour as you did working 100 hours, which is not enough, especially if you live in Florida, where the average radiology resident makes $65,000 a year. Based on the current climate of American economics, that's not enough to live on AND pay off student loans. That's barely enough to live on these days by itself. After taxes in Florida, that $65k salary turns into a $53k take home. Medical school loan payments average a little less than $2k a month for doctors. If you're living by yourself, your rent is $1400 on average for a one bedroom. Groceries is $350 depending on where you go. The utility bill $300, the phone bill is $40. You're spending over $4k a month on just bills, over $48k a year, but probably closer to $50k. You're left with $3k after that. That's not nearly enough to build up an emergency fund, to build up savings, or for leisure for the very little time you get off. That doesn't even include monthly car payments either, which would leave you in the negatives if it's more than $250 a month, which it probably is. Dcotors shouldn't have to get a second job just to be able to pay their bills. It also doesn't account for health insurance, car insurance, renter's insurance, or anything else. That's not accounting for your Roth IRA or 401K either, which some companies or institutes require you to contribute to monthly. If those companies do contribute, they will likely deduct it from salary too. Until you make enough money, not being able to contribute for a few years will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars when it comes to retire, because once you hit a certain salary threshold (around $161k for single tax filers), you can no longer add to the Roth IRA. You're working 80+ mentally draining hours a week, often on 24 hour shifts or 72 hour calls. No wonder the physician suicide rate is so high. You're working so hard, saving other people's lives, for almost nothing in return. It's hard to have a social life, because you're so tired after the long shifts. It's hard to see your family, especially if they live further than an hour from you, because work keeps you close. It's hard to start a family, because money is tight and you can't afford a nanny, daycare, or a babysitter. This HAS to change. Doctors make incredible sacrifices to be able to do what they do, because they love it. When observing residents while doing my shadowing recently, I saw first hand how much some of them struggle to stay afloat, all while studying for boards, studying for Step III, studying for their yearly residency exams. They're just another cog in the machine. They are human, just like everybody else. They deserve to be treated well and compensated fairly for the essential work they do. The world can't function without doctors. If this continues, you're going to see more doctor shortages, more burnout, and more mental health issues and suicides. I hope everybody unionizes. If it's the only way to be compensated fairly, then it should be done. From what I've witnessed, being a resident is slavery disguised as a paying job and being trained.
No one forces you to contribute to a retirement fund. There are a lot of people living on less money than that and they can't create an emergency fund either. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Don't become a doctor. No one is forcing you to. There a lot of people struggling.
@@A---ti3zz Who shoved a pole up your ass? I don't feel sorry for myself. I'm choosing this life and perfectly content with it. That doesn't mean there aren't issues with pay, and that those issues don't need to be addressed. I'm very well aware that people are living on way less. That's not living to me. That's surviving. You don't have to contribute to retirement or an emergency fund, but that doesn't make my comment any less valid that this is NOT enough money to live off of. Any day you can get into an accident, whether that be a car or physical, and it will bankrupt and ruin you financially. This is how so many people become homeless. Many people retire without any savings or retirement fund and survive off of social security, which many people in the US want eradicated by the way. We work in the system for 40 years, retire with nothing, and can't enjoy the rest of the years we have alive. That's not living. I'm choosing this field because I want to help people. It's not perfect, nor is anything in the world, but it can be improved, and those improvements should be advocated for. Other people struggling doesn't make what I talked about any less of a reality. Clearly you didn't read my comment because I talked about the expenses BEFORE the retirement or emergency fund. Without both of those things, you still barely have enough money. Nowhere did I say it's required to contribute to those things. You SHOULD. Anybody can struggle financially, whether they're a doctor making $100k a year or a teacher making $50k. It doesn't discriminate. You don't get to bash on the sturggles doctors face because of the title in front of their name. Change doesn't happen unless the problem is broadcasted. I, and a lot of other people, are talking about what needs to change. You should do that too if there are problems in your field. Don't be complacent, and stop criticizing people for voicing their struggles and concerns.
It likely won’t change. That’s what happens when you put your credentialing in the hands of the government. So with that being said I urge you to consider being a nurse first if you just want to help people.
Why are you doing a MA for premed? Sounds like you are taking on excess schooling and student loan debt. Maybe should rethink your plans or med school. Will have to forgo some things if you do go to med school. Won't be able to do it all financially unless you are married or living with roommates or frugral living in a van or mobile home probably. The financial realities you talk about are one of the reasons people go the NP/PA route instead. Also no way to know that your med school and residency will be in Florida anyway.
Why are patients charged insane amounts for the work doctors do , sometimes residents. Why not pay the resident for what services they are charging insanely high for ?
It is scary to think about the fact that around 10% won't be accepted into a residency and will be left in limbo unable to work but stuck with hundreds of thousands of student loan debt! They then have to reapply for residency next year or there are a couple states where they can work as an internal med Dr I believe. If you passed med school there should be a guaranteed residency spot for you I think.
Target is horrible. They work you like slaves. The lazier you are, the less you do, the better you are, the more you do. I was throwing trailers for 3 days while lazy people weren't ever put in the trailers. This causes extreme fatigue and burn out. Your days off are spent recovering from slave work.
Hey Dr. Jubbal, could you make a video on methods of paying back loans? For example, i've heard about the 10 year nonprofit payback program, but then there's a chance that you're getting paid less accepting nonprofit jobs. I'm also debating if its just better to pay it off ASAP to cut out the amount of interest you pay in the long run. Then there's the SAVE program which is new.... Yeah so to summarize, i'm pretty confused on what's the best way to go about this lol...
So many people always complain their job doesn't pay what it deserves. But jobs aren't out here paying more than what they need to pay to get people to do the job. So the unfortunate thing about our planet is that people are willing to become doctors even though it doesn't pay much. If people stop going to med school I'm telling you residency will increase its salary because they'll be less of them But currently more people want to become a doctor then we have seats for. I would never encourage my kids to become a doctor I would encourage them to become something rare. Anyone smart enough to be a doctor has one fatal flaw they're too stupid to realize they should have done something else. Even nurses nurses are totally underpaid but if you notice during the height of the pandemic when nobody wanted to be a nurse anymore suddenly they could pay them 200k annually. Which means they could really pay them 200k annually the whole time but why don't they pay that the rest of the time do you ask? Quite simple they don't need to every year people are willing to go to nursing school and be treated like slaves. Let's stop pursuing these careers and suddenly they'll get their respect and the pay they deserve.
Saying that becoming a doctor doesn't pay well isn't correct. The hundreds of thousands of dollars a year is more than enough. No one forces any of these people to become doctors.
@@A---ti3zz being a resident doesn't pay well. That is very much correct You can Google that. Becoming a doctor doesn't pay well if you calculate for all the opportunity costs. As a former nurse now tech worker it took me about 5 months of studying to get my hundred K job in tech if any nurse had spent eight years trying to learn Linux instead of medicine which they can learn from the comfort of their own home they'd probably be a millionaire. So the opportunity cost makes becoming a doctor definitely not worth it. You're right no one tells them to become doctors and I'm not saying I feel sorry for them I'm just saying the people who want something to change are part of the problem because they are willing to go into this debt to do this thing they're being taken advantage of.
@@jestina1292 Hospitals are not going to pay better. Private equity buying hospitals is only going to make things worse. You chose to be a nurse. Then you chose to leave nursing. People can decide where they want to work and if the money is ok with them. I am so tired of healthcare workers thinking they are the only people suffering.
@@A---ti3zz well as someone who chose to be a nurse and then chose to leave nursing it absolutely does suck lol I don't know what you're doing and if you consider yourself suffering but if you do you can make choices too. I do think healthcare workers are necessary and they're treated like crap but I think the only way to really change things is if people stop doing it like I did. We need nurses we need doctors but more people want to do it then need it honestly that's why they treat it so crappy
@@jestina1292 I love my current job. I did the same thing you did...left hell for something better. Look at how the sick and vulnerable patients get treated. I don't think private equity is helping anyone in the hospital; the patients and workers are both getting treated like crap.
Rachel is a cry baby that puts social clout above her mental health. People with mental health issues actually deal with the issues and avoid using it for clickbait.
I was 9 months pregnant in emergency room for a severe infection and the nurses were on top of it… my doctor finally comes in, training resident, who sat on my bed and almost fell asleep while talking to me. Thankfully the nurses made up for it. Pretty messed up.
@rsb7608 Quit the jealousy, it isn't good for you. Easily paid loans, easily made money, easy job, go do it then. Some break out of poverty, telling their story in the process like the girl in the video. Some keep blaming doctors for getting paid too much. Quit the jealousy and just drive your Honda to Target or become a doctor and drive your Honda to the Hospital. Whatever makes you happy. Quit undermining the work doctors do and the time they put into their work. If you feel like they get paid too much then don't give them more money or your insurance's money, next time you get sick/injured just treat yourself at home with traditional remedies.
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t taxpayers funding resident salaries? I don’t think higher taxes will be very popular. The increase in pay needs to come from the hospital. But honestly I think everything in healthcare is going to get worse as private equity continues to buy everything up.
? Who said higher taxes? To understand what Dr. Jubbal was saying, you can just look up how much of the money the hospital gets from the government is used to pay the residents. Please relax; no one is coming for your wallet.
The solution shouldn’t be just to tell residents to “have better time management “. That’s basically just saying “ you should be more productive when you’re at work”. I know there are a few rotations and specialties where working 80+ hours is the norm. You cannot expect people to be working at their best when they are absolutely exhausted. The solution is to fix the system (maybe have the maximum hours at 60) and stop blaming people for not being as productive when they are absolutely exhausted. This is inhumane treatment.
As I’ve stated here and elsewhere, the system is broken. Demanding change is great but is that going to change tomorrow? Obviously not. In the meantime increase resiliency and improve time management so you suffer less.
Target employees aren't investing in later income potential though. Most high paying fields require working insane hours and little sleep for little pay the first few years. It was the same for myself and my late husband, as an attorney and as a business owner, as well. That is just part of the effort and sacrifice we put in for the end result of greater success and higher financial security.
This kind of thinking is why nothing changes. Why can’t residents be treated and paid fairly and also have the job security and financial security that comes later ? Medical school is even longer than law school, plus residency. I think even new lawyers make more than minimum wage don’t they? At a lot of hospitals, the janitors and cafeteria workers often more more per hour than the residents.
training doctors in this country is a system of hazing but don't take it out on Target employees. They aren't living the easy life either( I promise you the average republican voter will read this title as Target employees have it way to good).
Im a nurse going to osteopathic medical school. Honestly, i think bedside nursing is hard but nurses only have to work 3 shifts a week. Residency is grueling due to the amount of work that you have to do everyday. Urgh. Gotta work smarter not harder. Im also not gonna let doctors pimp me i may not have all the medical knowledge but i know the hospital system haha cant bully me
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lz yeah okay buddy. bedside nurse is a difficult job I was a cardio thoracic icu nurse which is much more critical thinking than cushy dermatologist / geriatric clinic positions.
Go ahead and do the work and become a physician instead of thinking you are better, PROVE IT. What you don't understand is that every cushy dermatologist EARNED those spots. You have no clue. They took the boards, so go take the boards, little buddy.@@smivlibee5936 Compete with the big guys because right now you are just sitting on the porch.
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lzif nursing isn't hard why did the pandemic needed nurses why couldn't they get the doctors to do it 😂 the did the interning get tired from doing nursing if it was easy.…..
People pay what people are willing to work for. It's really that simple everyone's always complaining that their job doesn't pay what it deserves but that's because they're willing to work the job. The day no one is going to medical school anymore because it doesn't pay what it deserves Guess what it's going to start paying more. So if you have a problem with how much residents make the simplest thing you could do is not become a resident...
En conclusión, descubren que no les gusta la carrera en la práctica medica que en si es sacrificada. Tambien descubren que hay maneras de ganar mucho mas dinero sin sacrificar mucho. Y eso que en EEUU, seran millonarios al terminar la residencia. Falta caracter.
Yea but once the residency is done they’ll get paid $200k plus , target employees will stay at $20. This title is misleading. Plus doctors always say “ it not about the money “ lol 😂
Those employees do not have 500k in debt. Imagine studying and working for 11-16 years of your life after high school, earning $0 to less than minimum wage, only to be out and owe a whole house in loans. Every month you have to pay the equivalent of a house mortgage in student loans, in addition to whatever else you have to pay for.
exactly... plus they work (or are on call) for many more hours... which equates to 60+ grand a year during residency..... so I dont exacly feel bad for them.
@@BiffJohnsonIII I don’t think you understand how this works, they don’t get paid per hour if they get paid 60 K then they can work them 100 hours a week or more for that same 60 K Also, keep in mind, they still have to study and perform on tests at the same time as having the equivalent of three full-time jobs
Passive aggressive it’s learned and communications one01 in college for crying out loud!!! Get a life and stop indirectly and passive aggressively, putting someone out there and use your platform for educating and a more professional manner not by using someone as a sideshow for your own content
I'm sick of this resident/doctor complaining about salary. I’m finishing my undergrad and the next steps will be med school. At the same time, I’m married with 2 kids and work full time. As a resident/doctor, you have more than half of the battle done and you know that in 3 or 6 you will be able to pay those loans back. So what is the issue here? People are so weak nowadays…
You've never been through what she went through or what she is going through. She is also not sharing her full story for many reasons - no one can judge if they're not in the same situation. Hoping you will develop more empathy before you enter medical school because we don't need more doctors who cannot extend grace to others or understand someone else's struggle. IF you do get into medical school, and then IF you match into residency, THEN you will finally understand. Residents nowadays are 300-500k in debt while working 80+ hours/week (many residents work more than 80 hours but can only report 80 hours because they fear the repercussions), to be paid 50k per year, expected to sacrifice their youth and time with family or time caring for themselves. Also, imagine having to work the next day after you've been up all night caring for ill patients. As a mom, you have probably had to work after caring for your kids all night, but as a resident, your ability to function mentally and physically at work means life or death for someone else. So yes, she absolutely has the right to be upset that entry level positions where the stakes are low/minimal are being paid higher than the work she is doing. It takes decades for many physicians to pay back their debt with the high interest rates on those school loans and the fact that the interest starts accruing as soon as you take out the loans. So please check your bias and ignorance at the door.
Wow! Judging her and you aren't even in med school yet! You have no idea what is in store for you if you even succeed in med school and get accepted into residency! Show some compassion and humility! Just wait!
Instead of choosing to not make money for 10 years during the time your kids are growing up, maybe you should consider spending all that time supporting your kids? 🤷♂️
Quit complaining about the effort and time and loans to become a doctor. Doctors are the highest paid profession. You can afford to pay it back. Before you say they can't, i never see them living in poverty and struggling to pay it back. Instead of buying that bmw, and huge house get a honda and keep renting and pay more back. You never see that though. They keep the loans cause they're tax deductible. If you don't like it then quit and do something else like Kevin Jubal did
1. CEO is the highest paid profession . Then when you look at the time it takes to make that money , it fails in comparison to the next professions in that list . 2. It’s not empathetic to say quit complaining about the time and effort. If you don’t like it … quit . Before you actually become a resident an knows what it feels like , you have accumulated 250k in debts . Your forced to work like a slave because their is no bankruptcy for student loans like credit cards . If quit -> poverty forever . Dr. Jubal is a rare case that entered residency with very little loans . I doubt he would have quit to be an entrenpeneur if he owed 250k. Think about , a physician is the profession that has the highest rate of suicide . These are the so called best and brightest that are killing themselves. You think some of the hardest working people just want to kill themselves or are you looking at it all wrong ?
Nobody should slave for years on end to buy a Honda. They save lives. Be grateful and understand people don’t “enjoy” suffering brutal 24-48 hour shifts. If everyone had your weak mindset of “like it or quit” you wouldn’t have enough doctors. Passion is only part of it. You will have times when you hate it.
They are paid like that when they become a specialist, and a surgical specialist takes more than 15 YEARS of education, and the salary for rezidents is not great for the amount of work they do, MORE THAN 80 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK, and after they become a specialist they are more likely deppressed and have tons of student loans. Doctors need to vent about these problems because they are eating them from the inside out, so i think you need to be more understanding. Remember what your life would be like without doctors, so i think you should say thank you to them instead of telling them to quit.
Resident here. It's not really about the money. It's about the broader situation. We get paid enough ($50-60k) to not be destitute until we become an attending, but consider that hospitals get paid ~$150k/year per resident from the government, plus we generate $200-300K/year in reimbursable notes, procedures, etc. for the hospital. Remember we routinely work 80 hour weeks, irregular, odd hours, nights, weekends, holidays without overtime or bonus pay. I used to think the prospect of "it will all be worth it" would make it easy to stick out residency but it's really different when you're leaving the hospital and have to be back for your next shift in 7 hours, you haven't seen the sun in 6 days, and you have 3 years to go. Those are dark moments. And the point is that this level of suffering isn't necessary to become a competent physician. Try to have some empathy.
My parents were the ones who notified me about this video 🫣😅
Thanks for reacting to my video :) just made a new video about my depression and how I’m doin now from a mental health standpoint.
@@RachelSouthard I’m going to kcu osteopathic medical school. Do any of your patients ask you about the DO degree in your practice? Are you highly regarding amongst your MD peers? Are you compensated the same as MD peers? Thanks!
@@smivlibee5936yeah no one cares practically only thing it can affect is residency match
Thank you for sharing
The residency system needs to improve! As someone else suggested, 60 hour limit work week with overtime pay once 40 hours are surpassed. No more 24 hour shifts, to prevent errors and improve sleep and mental health. It’s 2024, we ALL must speak up now. It’s time. No more learned helplessness. We can be the change 📣🗣
The simplest way to protest the way residents are treated is to encourage others not to become residents. This country operates on supply and demand. every year there's more people wanting to get a residency than there are slots. Which allows those in control of the position to be abusive. if people stop pursuing this career I'm telling you they'll pay more its that simple.
@@jestina1292 In order to become a practicing doctor and get a medical license in the US, you need to complete a residency program. We will always need more doctors since the current doctors won't live forever. So, it's unrealistic to just say stop coming residents which basically translates to stop becoming doctors. And the number of med school and residency slots is low on purpose to increase "competition". If the number of people applying to med school and residency shrunk a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if the med school and residency spots shrunk also to maintain the same deficit.
@@livelaugh53042 I'm saying for a couple years nobody applied to med school which of course is not possible but I'm telling you if that happens residents would see an increase in salary. I've heard so many residents playing that it's a totally unfair deal and it is but so many people want to become doctors and so many people's lifelong dream go to any elementary school have the students will tell you that dream is become a doctor because it's such a dream job they take advantage of people who are willing to do it. I know one thing my kids aren't becoming doctors they're not working as slaves. I've lost someone in my family who became a doctor during her residency she died and there really is no cause of death determine but I'm 100% sure it was due to the stress. It's a stupid thing to pursue and these people are being taken advantage of but it's their own fault....
@@livelaugh53042 yeah we will always need doctors but the world doesn't realize that yet because it isn't a big deal to treat people who want to do this like crap So when the country really really feels the deficit will reorganize the way residency works. Residency is ridiculous it's basically slavery and the only reason it's allowed is because more people want to become doctors than we need.
@@livelaugh53042 I totally agree that this country needs doctors and teachers. But we don't act like it :-( The most important careers never have to struggle to recruit people.
I used to work at a hospital. Watching resident doctors be treated like dogs and get yelled at for being tired and working 100 hour weeks was horrifying. It just infuriates me that they’re allowed to do that to people. I think a cap at 60 hours max is more than fair and making them pay overtime. I heard there’s some unionizing efforts among residents and I hope they succeed. Residents deserve better and I feel like at this point it’s a hazing ritual with the mindset, “well I had to do it so now you have to suffer too.”
Thank you for your support, you are spot on! I didn’t think about the hazing but yes actually that you bring it up it is like that. Thank you for your insight!
I think a group of doctors tried to sue the aamc and form a union for residents and the united states court sided with the double aamc against doctors unionizing.
come to india
@@ayansinha4039 no
"I'M A PERSON TOO."
I used those exact words when confronting administration at my residency program about treating us inhumanely last year. One thing that wasn't mentioned that makes residency emotionally so hard is it robs highly motivated and capable individuals of their AGENCY. Not having that internal locus of control can really sap one's mental wellbeing.
YES
Get stronger, be better.
More than a doctor, Rachel is a wonderful human being!
She whines way too much. Stop it. If medicine is affecting you that much, take a break from social media and deal with it. It's completely immature and narcissistic to put social clout above your mental health.
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lz She does not! If it is too much for you, you can stop watching her videos!
I keep getting them recommended. I DO NOT WATCH THEM because it's not healthy for anyone to watch someone break down that much. You don't know this person, stop pretending as if you do. She's histrionic and everything else associated with that type of personality disorder. "Influencers" are narcs, plain and simple.@@Bcdf-ei9el
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lzor you could not engage in her content?
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lz Her RUclips channel is dedicated to showing the reality of medicine and that includes challenging moments. It takes an immense amount of honesty and bravery to publicly admit you are struggling which most residents are! Whether you appreciate it or not, she is an inspiration to many people both in and out of healthcare.
Dear Kevin, as a former resident I really resonate with all of this content. I really love medicine and that is the reason why everyone goes into it. we love learning about the body, doing research, and just find everything fascinating. But once entered the hospital system as a resident it was like I was a just a slave. A slave to write notes, to do other menial tasks for the hospital system. In the training I felt like it was more about getting things done because other people needed it to be done and less about my actual training and growth as a doctor. It was so shocking. I was being used all throughout my years in ways I didn't even realize until I reflect now. There was one day in the end of residency where I was in so much visible stress that the chief resident stepped aside and asked me how I was doing and I started crying because i was not able to control my emotions. That then lead to a series of actions that just made it best for me to quit residency. Just want to say I was not supported by the residency, and it seemed like everything day do they make your life a lot more miserable. So yeah its a difficult system to stay afloat in. I do miss medicine and the patient cases and work, but I have to admit I am so much happier and healthier now. I am trying to make my path forward now and I am deciding on what is best and correct for me. Thank you for your content and support!
what did you end up doing instead?
stop whining. you all make plenty of money once residency is done.
Wait residency in what? Internal medicine?
@@malcolmjelani3588 and that’s why you were never a doctor. No one goes into it for the money. If we’re really paid what we’re worth, you wouldn’t be able to afford your health insurance. So stfu.
@@malcolmjelani3588you do realize it’s working 80+ hour work weeks, for 3-8 years after the 4 years of medical school and after the 4 years of undergrad getting paid salary equating to about $15 an hour for 3-8 years while having to pay for student loans and your cost of living. But I do agree that people are doing it, so it’s not impossible. Just thought I would shine some light on this topic to you to gather the full perspective. Oh yeah and on top of everything you barely have time for family and friends because you have to take a test after residency and squeeze studying in during residency 👍🏾
Rachel is a very kind human. I have nothing but respect and love for her ❤
ER resident here. My specialty is less time consuming for sure but I feel like me and everybody I know in residency goes through this mental battle on a daily basis. The demands just come at you from every angle and I’ve felt depressed many times. I use to think similarly of how are you burnt out when your just starting but the feeling is real
I started off my undergrad as premed chem but switched to chemical engineering as a plan b so that if med school didn’t work out I’d still have a good career path.
During my senior year of college, the time came to apply to med school and I had to ask myself the question if it’s something I really could afford. And it wasn’t, I couldn’t keep waitressing on the weekends and making as much as a dishwasher as a resident.
I graduated with my ChemE degree and my starting salary was 75k, after 5 years I went up to around $130k and now I’m at 150k base salary. With bonuses and stocks I’m around $200k.
Had I gone into medical school I’d be graduating around now (assuming I failed no classes) and just starting to make an income.
Sometimes I wish I would have gone down the doctor path but the student loan debt, the monopolization of healthcare, all the protocols, just turned me away from it. I’m happy with the path my life took.
Thank you for this post. I was going to be biology and then had the same change of heart and went with biomedical engineering.
It is what it is.
I don’t know how often I’ve said that while thinking about my mental health during med school
Same, so I heard the sentence so often for my colleagues, it’s a mess
As an intern I can attest to all of these statements and many mentioned by others. However, the system won’t change because the same toxic behaviors that are exhibited by attendings are taken on whether consciously or subconsciously by residents. They then repeat the same behaviors. They feel as if “i suffered during residency, so you should too” instead of being the positive change that we all need.
It really is sad. I hope things change 🙏🏾🙏🏾
That's why people need to break the cycle. Also as a patient, I really don't want a tired doctor. Maybe patients and residents should come together, because they want the same.
It takes courage and strength to be vulnerable about one's mental health or physical health challenges. I commend both Drs. Rachel and Kevin for sharing their experiences. Thank you!
I love that you bring light to this and are understanding of her struggle. I'm a first year medical student. This scares me when I think about residency honestly
pasture raised chicken comment caught me off guard XD
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Yup. This happens in other countries, too.
The first year was the hardest. Really horrible for mental health.
If it’s feasible to access professional help, get it.
And if not, good luck.
This too shall pass.
Good on her for talking about this topic because it is important. It's crazy because even as an attending, there is some hardship there as well, especially early on. It's exciting to complete residency training and become an attending because we believe that it will be better, but even attendings burnout. I was one of them. And no one warns you about this stuff. Exceptional time management skills, learning how to work smart and be productive, and prioritizing my personal life and freedom outside of work was what helped me become a more well-rounded attending with good balance. Just a heads up for residents transitioning into attending roles.
More people needs to speak up on this! Thanks Rachel for voicing your experiences!
What about seeking residency outside the U.S. think it would be any better? This is absolutely insane.
I love her channel, by the way. Thanks for reacting to this
My understand residency has to be in the US. Foreign Dr's have to complete a residency in the US when they immigrate so don't see how that would work.
@@bugsy2902 hmmm. Thanks for the information.
I'm on my journey to becoming a doctor. I'm about to start my transitionary master's program in August before fully going to medical school. One of my biggest worries is the salary and the work hours. On paper, the residency salary looks pretty good. For my current preferred specialty of radiology, the highest paid residents are paid an average of a little less than $110,000 a year. I feel like when the ACGME hour cap was cut to 80 from 100, salaries were cut too to compensate. You're still making the same amount of money per hour as you did working 100 hours, which is not enough, especially if you live in Florida, where the average radiology resident makes $65,000 a year. Based on the current climate of American economics, that's not enough to live on AND pay off student loans. That's barely enough to live on these days by itself.
After taxes in Florida, that $65k salary turns into a $53k take home. Medical school loan payments average a little less than $2k a month for doctors. If you're living by yourself, your rent is $1400 on average for a one bedroom. Groceries is $350 depending on where you go. The utility bill $300, the phone bill is $40. You're spending over $4k a month on just bills, over $48k a year, but probably closer to $50k. You're left with $3k after that. That's not nearly enough to build up an emergency fund, to build up savings, or for leisure for the very little time you get off. That doesn't even include monthly car payments either, which would leave you in the negatives if it's more than $250 a month, which it probably is. Dcotors shouldn't have to get a second job just to be able to pay their bills. It also doesn't account for health insurance, car insurance, renter's insurance, or anything else. That's not accounting for your Roth IRA or 401K either, which some companies or institutes require you to contribute to monthly. If those companies do contribute, they will likely deduct it from salary too. Until you make enough money, not being able to contribute for a few years will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars when it comes to retire, because once you hit a certain salary threshold (around $161k for single tax filers), you can no longer add to the Roth IRA.
You're working 80+ mentally draining hours a week, often on 24 hour shifts or 72 hour calls. No wonder the physician suicide rate is so high. You're working so hard, saving other people's lives, for almost nothing in return. It's hard to have a social life, because you're so tired after the long shifts. It's hard to see your family, especially if they live further than an hour from you, because work keeps you close. It's hard to start a family, because money is tight and you can't afford a nanny, daycare, or a babysitter.
This HAS to change. Doctors make incredible sacrifices to be able to do what they do, because they love it. When observing residents while doing my shadowing recently, I saw first hand how much some of them struggle to stay afloat, all while studying for boards, studying for Step III, studying for their yearly residency exams. They're just another cog in the machine. They are human, just like everybody else. They deserve to be treated well and compensated fairly for the essential work they do. The world can't function without doctors. If this continues, you're going to see more doctor shortages, more burnout, and more mental health issues and suicides. I hope everybody unionizes. If it's the only way to be compensated fairly, then it should be done.
From what I've witnessed, being a resident is slavery disguised as a paying job and being trained.
Yes you are $100 correct. Totally a scam, I agree with the video.
No one forces you to contribute to a retirement fund. There are a lot of people living on less money than that and they can't create an emergency fund either. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Don't become a doctor. No one is forcing you to.
There a lot of people struggling.
@@A---ti3zz Who shoved a pole up your ass? I don't feel sorry for myself. I'm choosing this life and perfectly content with it. That doesn't mean there aren't issues with pay, and that those issues don't need to be addressed. I'm very well aware that people are living on way less. That's not living to me. That's surviving. You don't have to contribute to retirement or an emergency fund, but that doesn't make my comment any less valid that this is NOT enough money to live off of. Any day you can get into an accident, whether that be a car or physical, and it will bankrupt and ruin you financially. This is how so many people become homeless. Many people retire without any savings or retirement fund and survive off of social security, which many people in the US want eradicated by the way. We work in the system for 40 years, retire with nothing, and can't enjoy the rest of the years we have alive. That's not living.
I'm choosing this field because I want to help people. It's not perfect, nor is anything in the world, but it can be improved, and those improvements should be advocated for. Other people struggling doesn't make what I talked about any less of a reality.
Clearly you didn't read my comment because I talked about the expenses BEFORE the retirement or emergency fund. Without both of those things, you still barely have enough money. Nowhere did I say it's required to contribute to those things. You SHOULD. Anybody can struggle financially, whether they're a doctor making $100k a year or a teacher making $50k. It doesn't discriminate. You don't get to bash on the sturggles doctors face because of the title in front of their name.
Change doesn't happen unless the problem is broadcasted. I, and a lot of other people, are talking about what needs to change. You should do that too if there are problems in your field. Don't be complacent, and stop criticizing people for voicing their struggles and concerns.
It likely won’t change. That’s what happens when you put your credentialing in the hands of the government.
So with that being said I urge you to consider being a nurse first if you just want to help people.
Why are you doing a MA for premed? Sounds like you are taking on excess schooling and student loan debt. Maybe should rethink your plans or med school. Will have to forgo some things if you do go to med school. Won't be able to do it all financially unless you are married or living with roommates or frugral living in a van or mobile home probably. The financial realities you talk about are one of the reasons people go the NP/PA route instead. Also no way to know that your med school and residency will be in Florida anyway.
So nice to see you both in a video! Been following each of you for a while. You should colab more!
Why are patients charged insane amounts for the work doctors do , sometimes residents. Why not pay the resident for what services they are charging insanely high for ?
Hospital greed!
I do not consider this complaining. It is compassionate sharing and a good way to process feelings.
Don’t go to medical school.
The field in collapsing.
It is scary to think about the fact that around 10% won't be accepted into a residency and will be left in limbo unable to work but stuck with hundreds of thousands of student loan debt! They then have to reapply for residency next year or there are a couple states where they can work as an internal med Dr I believe. If you passed med school there should be a guaranteed residency spot for you I think.
@@bugsy2902 I started residency a little over 25 years ago. I don’t think the percentage of those that did not match was that high.
@2:14 ... Thats alot (Principle) but I gotta say that interest on those loans are crazy low.
Target is horrible. They work you like slaves. The lazier you are, the less you do, the better you are, the more you do. I was throwing trailers for 3 days while lazy people weren't ever put in the trailers. This causes extreme fatigue and burn out. Your days off are spent recovering from slave work.
Works well! Learning from many spaces and beliefs, it may not be an important aspect or system yet.
She posted an update on her mh yesterday :)
No one should be working that much. Thats why there's so many medical errors.
Wow I didn't know there was such a difference between med school programs
Are residency salaries regulated nationally? Do some hospitals pay more than others for the same specialty?
Hey Dr. Jubbal, could you make a video on methods of paying back loans? For example, i've heard about the 10 year nonprofit payback program, but then there's a chance that you're getting paid less accepting nonprofit jobs. I'm also debating if its just better to pay it off ASAP to cut out the amount of interest you pay in the long run. Then there's the SAVE program which is new....
Yeah so to summarize, i'm pretty confused on what's the best way to go about this lol...
Yes
So many people always complain their job doesn't pay what it deserves. But jobs aren't out here paying more than what they need to pay to get people to do the job. So the unfortunate thing about our planet is that people are willing to become doctors even though it doesn't pay much. If people stop going to med school I'm telling you residency will increase its salary because they'll be less of them But currently more people want to become a doctor then we have seats for. I would never encourage my kids to become a doctor I would encourage them to become something rare. Anyone smart enough to be a doctor has one fatal flaw they're too stupid to realize they should have done something else. Even nurses nurses are totally underpaid but if you notice during the height of the pandemic when nobody wanted to be a nurse anymore suddenly they could pay them 200k annually. Which means they could really pay them 200k annually the whole time but why don't they pay that the rest of the time do you ask? Quite simple they don't need to every year people are willing to go to nursing school and be treated like slaves. Let's stop pursuing these careers and suddenly they'll get their respect and the pay they deserve.
Saying that becoming a doctor doesn't pay well isn't correct. The hundreds of thousands of dollars a year is more than enough. No one forces any of these people to become doctors.
@@A---ti3zz being a resident doesn't pay well. That is very much correct You can Google that. Becoming a doctor doesn't pay well if you calculate for all the opportunity costs. As a former nurse now tech worker it took me about 5 months of studying to get my hundred K job in tech if any nurse had spent eight years trying to learn Linux instead of medicine which they can learn from the comfort of their own home they'd probably be a millionaire. So the opportunity cost makes becoming a doctor definitely not worth it. You're right no one tells them to become doctors and I'm not saying I feel sorry for them I'm just saying the people who want something to change are part of the problem because they are willing to go into this debt to do this thing they're being taken advantage of.
@@jestina1292 Hospitals are not going to pay better. Private equity buying hospitals is only going to make things worse.
You chose to be a nurse. Then you chose to leave nursing. People can decide where they want to work and if the money is ok with them. I am so tired of healthcare workers thinking they are the only people suffering.
@@A---ti3zz well as someone who chose to be a nurse and then chose to leave nursing it absolutely does suck lol I don't know what you're doing and if you consider yourself suffering but if you do you can make choices too. I do think healthcare workers are necessary and they're treated like crap but I think the only way to really change things is if people stop doing it like I did. We need nurses we need doctors but more people want to do it then need it honestly that's why they treat it so crappy
@@jestina1292 I love my current job. I did the same thing you did...left hell for something better.
Look at how the sick and vulnerable patients get treated. I don't think private equity is helping anyone in the hospital; the patients and workers are both getting treated like crap.
Rachel is amazing ❤️
Rachel is a cry baby that puts social clout above her mental health. People with mental health issues actually deal with the issues and avoid using it for clickbait.
Yep! After med school we are SO broke and we’re still gonna be making less than target employees lol 😂
I was 9 months pregnant in emergency room for a severe infection and the nurses were on top of it… my doctor finally comes in, training resident, who sat on my bed and almost fell asleep while talking to me. Thankfully the nurses made up for it. Pretty messed up.
Just commenting for the algorithm 🧡
i think I saw the same video on pasture raised chicken hehe
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@rsb7608 Quit the jealousy, it isn't good for you. Easily paid loans, easily made money, easy job, go do it then. Some break out of poverty, telling their story in the process like the girl in the video. Some keep blaming doctors for getting paid too much. Quit the jealousy and just drive your Honda to Target or become a doctor and drive your Honda to the Hospital. Whatever makes you happy. Quit undermining the work doctors do and the time they put into their work. If you feel like they get paid too much then don't give them more money or your insurance's money, next time you get sick/injured just treat yourself at home with traditional remedies.
HERD Fam 🙏🏾
You choose the weirdest facial expressions for your thumbnails haha
In todays world, salespeople, RUclipsrs , TikTokers earn a lot more than doctors with better lifestyles. we’re meant to labor.
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t taxpayers funding resident salaries? I don’t think higher taxes will be very popular. The increase in pay needs to come from the hospital. But honestly I think everything in healthcare is going to get worse as private equity continues to buy everything up.
? Who said higher taxes? To understand what Dr. Jubbal was saying, you can just look up how much of the money the hospital gets from the government is used to pay the residents. Please relax; no one is coming for your wallet.
The solution shouldn’t be just to tell residents to “have better time management “. That’s basically just saying “ you should be more productive when you’re at work”. I know there are a few rotations and specialties where working 80+ hours is the norm. You cannot expect people to be working at their best when they are absolutely exhausted.
The solution is to fix the system (maybe have the maximum hours at 60) and stop blaming people for not being as productive when they are absolutely exhausted. This is inhumane treatment.
As I’ve stated here and elsewhere, the system is broken. Demanding change is great but is that going to change tomorrow? Obviously not. In the meantime increase resiliency and improve time management so you suffer less.
Target employees aren't investing in later income potential though. Most high paying fields require working insane hours and little sleep for little pay the first few years. It was the same for myself and my late husband, as an attorney and as a business owner, as well. That is just part of the effort and sacrifice we put in for the end result of greater success and higher financial security.
This kind of thinking is why nothing changes. Why can’t residents be treated and paid fairly and also have the job security and financial security that comes later ? Medical school is even longer than law school, plus residency. I think even new lawyers make more than minimum wage don’t they? At a lot of hospitals, the janitors and cafeteria workers often more more per hour than the residents.
training doctors in this country is a system of hazing but don't take it out on Target employees. They aren't living the easy life either( I promise you the average republican voter will read this title as Target employees have it way to good).
it's too, not to.
Im a nurse going to osteopathic medical school. Honestly, i think bedside nursing is hard but nurses only have to work 3 shifts a week. Residency is grueling due to the amount of work that you have to do everyday. Urgh. Gotta work smarter not harder. Im also not gonna let doctors pimp me i may not have all the medical knowledge but i know the hospital system haha cant bully me
nursing is not hard. stop.
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lz yeah okay buddy. bedside nurse is a difficult job I was a cardio thoracic icu nurse which is much more critical thinking than cushy dermatologist / geriatric clinic positions.
Go ahead and do the work and become a physician instead of thinking you are better, PROVE IT. What you don't understand is that every cushy dermatologist EARNED those spots. You have no clue. They took the boards, so go take the boards, little buddy.@@smivlibee5936 Compete with the big guys because right now you are just sitting on the porch.
@@StepTwoCK-xo6lzif nursing isn't hard why did the pandemic needed nurses why couldn't they get the doctors to do it 😂 the did the interning get tired from doing nursing if it was easy.…..
@fabians3076 umm I seen doctor couldnt even know how to put leads on or use a blood pressure cuff... Riiiight
People pay what people are willing to work for. It's really that simple everyone's always complaining that their job doesn't pay what it deserves but that's because they're willing to work the job. The day no one is going to medical school anymore because it doesn't pay what it deserves Guess what it's going to start paying more. So if you have a problem with how much residents make the simplest thing you could do is not become a resident...
En conclusión, descubren que no les gusta la carrera en la práctica medica que en si es sacrificada. Tambien descubren que hay maneras de ganar mucho mas dinero sin sacrificar mucho. Y eso que en EEUU, seran millonarios al terminar la residencia. Falta caracter.
Work 80 hours a week, work out, socialize, and eat healthy.. all very important.. it’s about managing your time
Why’s this guy look like jakeNbake
She’s got money for that lip filler though!
Oh god heaven forbid she does one thing that makes her happy during the DECADES of life spent becoming a doctor
Oh 💩, please 🤐, these kinds of comments are deaf
Yea but once the residency is done they’ll get paid $200k plus , target employees will stay at $20. This title is misleading. Plus doctors always say “ it not about the money “ lol 😂
Those employees do not have 500k in debt. Imagine studying and working for 11-16 years of your life after high school, earning $0 to less than minimum wage, only to be out and owe a whole house in loans. Every month you have to pay the equivalent of a house mortgage in student loans, in addition to whatever else you have to pay for.
exactly... plus they work (or are on call) for many more hours... which equates to 60+ grand a year during residency..... so I dont exacly feel bad for them.
@@BiffJohnsonIII I don’t think you understand how this works, they don’t get paid per hour
if they get paid 60 K then they can work them 100 hours a week or more for that same 60 K
Also, keep in mind, they still have to study and perform on tests at the same time as having the equivalent of three full-time jobs
@@Thisisme1919 and they still get paid 60,000-90,000+ per year during their training.
@@BiffJohnsonIII 😂😂😂😂 what resident is getting paid 90K
The fact that you said “they” and not “we” tells me everything
Passive aggressive it’s learned and communications one01 in college for crying out loud!!! Get a life and stop indirectly and passive aggressively, putting someone out there and use your platform for educating and a more professional manner not by using someone as a sideshow for your own content
I'm sick of this resident/doctor complaining about salary. I’m finishing my undergrad and the next steps will be med school. At the same time, I’m married with 2 kids and work full time. As a resident/doctor, you have more than half of the battle done and you know that in 3 or 6 you will be able to pay those loans back. So what is the issue here? People are so weak nowadays…
You've never been through what she went through or what she is going through. She is also not sharing her full story for many reasons - no one can judge if they're not in the same situation. Hoping you will develop more empathy before you enter medical school because we don't need more doctors who cannot extend grace to others or understand someone else's struggle. IF you do get into medical school, and then IF you match into residency, THEN you will finally understand.
Residents nowadays are 300-500k in debt while working 80+ hours/week (many residents work more than 80 hours but can only report 80 hours because they fear the repercussions), to be paid 50k per year, expected to sacrifice their youth and time with family or time caring for themselves. Also, imagine having to work the next day after you've been up all night caring for ill patients. As a mom, you have probably had to work after caring for your kids all night, but as a resident, your ability to function mentally and physically at work means life or death for someone else. So yes, she absolutely has the right to be upset that entry level positions where the stakes are low/minimal are being paid higher than the work she is doing. It takes decades for many physicians to pay back their debt with the high interest rates on those school loans and the fact that the interest starts accruing as soon as you take out the loans. So please check your bias and ignorance at the door.
Wow! Judging her and you aren't even in med school yet! You have no idea what is in store for you if you even succeed in med school and get accepted into residency! Show some compassion and humility! Just wait!
Instead of choosing to not make money for 10 years during the time your kids are growing up, maybe you should consider spending all that time supporting your kids? 🤷♂️
Quit complaining about the effort and time and loans to become a doctor. Doctors are the highest paid profession. You can afford to pay it back. Before you say they can't, i never see them living in poverty and struggling to pay it back. Instead of buying that bmw, and huge house get a honda and keep renting and pay more back. You never see that though. They keep the loans cause they're tax deductible. If you don't like it then quit and do something else like Kevin Jubal did
1. CEO is the highest paid profession . Then when you look at the time it takes to make that money , it fails in comparison to the next professions in that list . 2. It’s not empathetic to say quit complaining about the time and effort. If you don’t like it … quit . Before you actually become a resident an knows what it feels like , you have accumulated 250k in debts . Your forced to work like a slave because their is no bankruptcy for student loans like credit cards . If quit -> poverty forever . Dr. Jubal is a rare case that entered residency with very little loans . I doubt he would have quit to be an entrenpeneur if he owed 250k. Think about , a physician is the profession that has the highest rate of suicide . These are the so called best and brightest that are killing themselves. You think some of the hardest working people just want to kill themselves or are you looking at it all wrong ?
Nobody should slave for years on end to buy a Honda. They save lives. Be grateful and understand people don’t “enjoy” suffering brutal 24-48 hour shifts. If everyone had your weak mindset of “like it or quit” you wouldn’t have enough doctors. Passion is only part of it. You will have times when you hate it.
They are paid like that when they become a specialist, and a surgical specialist takes more than 15 YEARS of education, and the salary for rezidents is not great for the amount of work they do, MORE THAN 80 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK, and after they become a specialist they are more likely deppressed and have tons of student loans.
Doctors need to vent about these problems because they are eating them from the inside out, so i think you need to be more understanding.
Remember what your life would be like without doctors, so i think you should say thank you to them instead of telling them to quit.
“Student loans are tax deductible” if only…
Resident here. It's not really about the money. It's about the broader situation. We get paid enough ($50-60k) to not be destitute until we become an attending, but consider that hospitals get paid ~$150k/year per resident from the government, plus we generate $200-300K/year in reimbursable notes, procedures, etc. for the hospital. Remember we routinely work 80 hour weeks, irregular, odd hours, nights, weekends, holidays without overtime or bonus pay.
I used to think the prospect of "it will all be worth it" would make it easy to stick out residency but it's really different when you're leaving the hospital and have to be back for your next shift in 7 hours, you haven't seen the sun in 6 days, and you have 3 years to go. Those are dark moments. And the point is that this level of suffering isn't necessary to become a competent physician. Try to have some empathy.