I did start this league after taking a (justified) skip of last league, but now I decided to play SSF and I have never played a SSF character this far. Yes I don't even have the AH and this is my favorite league of all time and I have played almost all leagus since 2013 with just 5 skips. I hope Kingsmarch stays, and not just the AH. I hope at least shipments will stay, it feels so good logging in after work or in the morning with 3 loot screens waiting to be opened.
Things that are almost certain to go core, unless something goes horribly wrong (90+%): - the currency exchange (it was made to solve part of the trade problem after all) - gold (to fuel the currency exchange in a non-tradeable way). Things that have a good chance (75%) of going core: - Faustus's black market gamba (as a way to dump excess gold and/or give gold some utility in SSF). As an aside, that might prompt a rework of Gwen's expedition shop, since the black market fulfills the same niche. Things that may or may not go core (50%): - recombinating device. If it goes core, expect it to require outrageous amounts of gold to use, plus some other currency (chaos/exalts/divines). Alternatively, GGG just reenables recombinators to drop and makes them rarer (since they're already much worse anyway, according to people using them in Standard). Things that probably won't go core (25%): - Kingsmarch itself. If it goes core, it probably replaces the current area as the end game player hub, since it has been a while since it was changed from Oriath anyway. Things that definitely won't go core (as much chance as Chris Wilson's hair growing back): - shipments, map devices, ores, disenchant, farms (lol of course no) - kalguuran rune enchantments (no way another craft bench is added to the game, even if they nerfed it into uselessness)
I think you might be wrong about shipments. If you don't count the AH, shipments is what people love most this league. At least they'll have to think more how to keep those in the game,because there will be riots when they're gone.
I think the design intent was perhaps to choose between shipping and mapping. Under that idea, it makes sense you're running out of gold trying to run both.
Harvest is really a bad example here GGG have kind of repeatedly said for years they the biggest mistake they ever made in the game was making Hsrvedt core Now for me Harvest was the best league by far for me in its history and until this session I have never played remotely as much as I did in Harvest but then came this league and this will easily be my best played league ever
The two main factors that I think tells us that GGG will make SOK go core is, that the mechanic is so different from all other content in the game and they love content diversity, and the fact that it's Kings March and not any other city name makes the perfect connection to PoE 2.
Its a game changer for poor efficiency casual players like me. Thats why it is well received. I got 10 divines from ships. That is more than I get in a whole league usually. Plus im still playing.
I've been wanting to continue playing this league more than any other one in a long time. I love having my workers do things for me while I'm at work. My only real complaint is that I cant farm enough gold to really run everything like mappers at full capacity due to my time constraints which is ironic since afk running mappers was one of the things I was most looking forwards to this league. I'm hoping to see more interaction between mining ore and delving, like finding gold nodes or double ore nodes. Seems to make sense thematically and would make delve more fun.
Use lower-tier workers? Particularly miners and smythes. From my observations, it's better (more gold-efficient) to keep lower-tier miners and smythes working 24/7, than to keep Tier 10s working only a few hours. I think the design intent was perhaps to choose between shipping and mapping. Under that idea, it makes sense you're running out of gold trying to run both.
@@PhotriusPyrelus thanks for the tip, ill try to bring down the tier of some of my workers and yes I've had to stop mapping to do shipping. I only have maybe 10 hours a week I can play so I was just disappointed the it felt like I couldn't run my mappers.
@@GamingTremor I understand, man. It sucks. It feels to me like the game is designed for the streamers who play the game as a job. Everyone else without that much time to sink gets left in the dust as an afterthought. Of course, while it sucks to be a "second-class player", you can't really blame them, the streamer class tend to be the ones who whale hard on the game.
I think we can safely say there's no way they can talk the auction house away at this point. I'm sure it was just the test for POE2 might see some tweaks but it's definitely here to say. I like the idea of King's March becoming POE mobile in some capacity but we can still interact with it from the PC or console.
yeah they can't remove it without a full blown riot, also it works pretty well for what it is could be better ofc but it does remove a lot of the tedious trading out of the game which is great.
This is my favourite league in a long, long time. I am sat with more divines and chaos than ever at this point in a league I have been able to do pinnacle bosses for the first time as i havnt gotten board of a character before getting it to a point where it could as building characters is more fun for me than pushing them to the high end. I may be biased as most of the rewards that i have gotten have been very good compaired to most of people have said that they have received. Like my mappers running tier one maps and dropping me a Soul Taker and 4 divines in one map. For me it feels like it's a evolution of the hideout. Only think it really needs is a map device and I won't be using mine nearly as much as it just feels better in my opinion.
So leagues are different from expansions in precise terms for POE. Expansions are typically a once a year major late game update, introducing new end game mapping systems and/or bosses. Sirius, guardians, Maven, Exarch, Eater, all that stuff has come via expansions. Leagues are large patches throughout the year that come with a temporary economy (3-4 months) and usually a good amount of content added to the game (heist, sanctum, kingsmarch, etc). Not every league goes core to the gameplay of path of exile. Sometimes leagues that are not deemed by the GGG team as being healthy, helpful, or good for the direction of the game are not included as regular content for future engagement by players (such as Necropolis League, Trial of the Ancients, Synthesis way back, etc). Sometimes a league "goes core" and is added to the game, and sometimes it does not. Hope that answers you mate!
I know this will not happen, as GGG has never done anything remotely close to it but my hope with it going core is to combine it with heist and expedition, to make it all one unified process that can run all in tandum alongside of running maps. make it so you have to heist to get bars out of small chests, run expedition to get crops, and the shipping and disenchanting happen in Kingsmarch. Interact with everyone in Kingsmarch, and upgrade the town as a whole to tier x, instead of each individually since it wont be the main league (I wish this was the case with heist as well instead of each person and each person only had line one item slot, that is the single worst thing about heist for me, not doors. It takes forever for it to feel like it comes online). since the characters are already part of the town, it would be super easy to make it make sense lore wise too. Again, I know this is a pipe dream and won't happen but I think it would all work really well together.
For those of us who aren't end-game power brokers, Kingsmarch lends some much needed opportunities to make some scratch. We plebes will get some satisfaction from out petty scrabblings in the dirt. Add to that the satisfaction of building up the town, and watching our workers grinding out commodities *for* us, and this is the formula for long-term engagement. Curiously, gold drops have made me unconsciously expect *other* currencies to autoloot, and a strange feeling of dissatisfaction when they don't. I wonder if GGG is training us to expect that? =^[.]^=
GGG have said the currency exchange exists as a test to see if it can be done permamently. they have even laid the groundwork for it being permament with Faustus in hideout. All they need is to keep gold dropping [perhaps less often without the sinks in Kingsmarch] As for Kingsmarch itself going core; some things would have to be tweaked. Worker management will be a lot less of a thing if resources are only popping up 1/x maps. I doubt Kingsmarch is the sort of thing that could really get atlas support or scarabs. If the resources are not spawning every map; you're going to need to increase the yield per resource. Rebalances aside; I see no real issue with it going core; as a source of Tattoos especially.
Talkative Tri is convinced that basically none of it is going core, but I cannot imagine basically it all going core. Ships and map runners increase retention. The currency exchange completely changes the dynamics of getting currency. And gold feels so natural in POE from the first time something dropped gold. It is really more of an expansion but they might risk killing the game if it does not go core it is so compelling.
I figured the currency market would go core but not the whole of Kingsmarch. Thinking on it more, if they do make the whole thing core, then they wouldn't have to rebalance the gold as much. Probably they would rebalance the ore since I assume they wouldn't have ore every zone and map but...that's probably it.
A day or two ago Ghazzy did a little complaint about how you could use gold for the exchange or gold for your town, but not both. He saw that as a negative. I see it as a positive. You have a choice. You can run your town or you can play the stock market in your hideout. It's giving the player choice. If you are doing your town and you want to switch, you just let it run out or sideline all of your workers for a while. I think the game is better by giving us easy choices like that rather than giving us everything all at once.
Yeah also its just people want to have everything immediately, your supposed to work on your town over the course of weeks if not 2 months, your not supposed to have it all maxed out in 3 days.
It's actually very bad and made me quit already lmao i invested all my time and money into upgrading the town hoping it'll give better loot that i barely used the exchange for selling scarabs because i got no chaos or divs from anything else and i never got to use the gamble item thing more than twice in campaign. There's no choice when the league mechanic rewards were so trash that they forced you to spend everything on the town for the false hope that they'd get better and never did.
Infact i suspect it was balanced around, like every other game that you built your economy since wc3 world editor games existed like sheep and tree tag... There should have been a gold farm in the bottom left that was yoinked and ruined the balance by some clowns thinking the top 1% was gonna abuse it.
this is I think the second league I've actually made a second character first being funnily enough also archmage in delirium this time that was a decision made cause I wanted the chest opening caster mastery to make blighted maps suck a little less and the build looked cool probably not the best build to waste a point with but oh well. also interested to see what changes are made to kingsmarch when it goes core cause it is definetely too powerful to go core unchanged
transmission received! cant stop playing! have big plans! right now, after the mid-league patch, i would miss recombinators most if they were removed again
While I like the currency exchange it feels better to sell something to get chaos than use chaos to buy something price wise with gold mainly. Another thing feeling is that during the acts I was like yeah I am getting enough gold to keep my town going but mainly from the moment I hit half way maps I feel like I cant keep up with my gold to keep the town running. I scrambled my gold around from a few play sessions and got to nearly 200k gold and I know if I just let it in the town I get like 1,5 to 2 days worth out it and it is gone while it took a lot longer than that to get it which makes me feel a bit bombed out by. Ingeneral I think the league is good but I still feel like there should be some tweaks more people who dont spent 16 hours per day playing to enjoy the mechanic more than in current balance state.
Honestly I just want the whole league to go core. I have no complaints. Yea sure they should tweak the numbers a bit, but the whole thing is great. And even better, you don't have to interact with it if you don't want to, unlike Necropolis.
While I really enjoy the city and think it is generally a fun side mini game and enjoy the progression path I think it would likely get very old over time if they treated this anything like they do other league mechanics and didn't mess with it every league. Then factor in how basically nothing lately has gone core or when it does it really feels or looks nothing like it was on release I don't think this would go core.
I would say theres no way the town would ever go core, but I said the same thing about heist like surely theres no way they would make you level up all these different heist members and gear them out every single league right? so i've been wrong before it could be like heist where sure you can do the town and all that but you can also easily ignore it.
I think your argument about if they remove kingsmarch they'd have to change currency exchange a lot and is not true at all, they would simply nerf gold to an acceptable level to only use the currency exchange its really not rocket science,
My guess is that it will stay, but as a fully built town, with the gold sink being higher costs for workers and slightly worse rewards than we see now. I believe that Kingsmarch will also be a platform for future leagues to build on, with further expansion and mechanics built on top of it.
Town is gone for sure no chance they have the whole town shit in the game permanently, gold and auction house stays, But I would of also said the same thing about heist like no way they're gunna leave this whole entire fuckin heist thing in right guys>? so I can be wrong
@@tms012493 Mappers bring me atleast 3-4 div per day, ontop of Voidkeys and Valdo boxes. Also low investment shipping to 30min port brings me around 4-5 div per day.
@@tms012493 if u get your atlas device up until u can run red maps and also have the town upgrade to reroll for higher workers, the map device will occasionally drop you a divine or a valdo's puzzle box. You just need to have all your map runners be at least level 8, and they mostly wont die. You will have an occasional one die, but its workable. You just really need to find a good gold farm. What i did was do synthesis maps to first start generating gold. If u can fit in a item rarity support on your main skill along with a gold flask, it will boost your gold drops. Rarity boosts gold drops.
EDIT: Well I'm a dumb-dumb. I thought PoE2 was still just an expansion and rebalance for PoE, not its own game. So yeah, in PoE1, we *could* keep rebuilding it every league. ::shrug:: 26 minutes to discuss an obvious answer? Really? Kingsmarch is a town in PoE 2. We can't very well have a mechanic where we build it up every season if it's a main town in one of the acts, can we? Enjoy it while it lasts because despite how nice it is, it's gone after 3.25. I still don't understand how they decide what to add to core and what to let die, though. Dogwater like Sanctum gets to stay, but the chasiest chase mechanic they ever introduced (crucible) gets axed? Wee Todd Edd.
There needs to be some tweaking to things like mappers and gold, but if they took away the exchange it'd be a legit mistake. The game very badly needs automation in trade, and this is a very substantial first step.
@dante5526 because instead of getting corpse drops which might be of a divine in value (and were a pain to sell) you can just kill monsters and interact with a system that feels easier to get a chance (shipping mapping) at the divine. Even if it is less rewarding, the whole system "feels" more rewarding than necro for some players.
The city itself will eventually become the endgame player hub, I'm willing to bet my ill-gotten gains on it - it looks nicer than the current cave dump we're occupying with Kirac and his gang, and besides, it would be a move towards PoE 2's timeline. Perhaps not yet, but maybe a few leagues down the line - I'd be willing to bet they'd definitely do it close to PoE2's release so both games have that area in common. The city management aspects won't go core though, that's almost a certainty.
@@fakeplaystore7991 I dont think the town would go core, but it isnt as crazy as it seems I would of never thought Heist or betrayal would go core, like surely they wouldnt add the whole rogue harbour and make you level up and gear all the heist members individually every single time, and surely they wouldnt add in this giant confusing betrayal board and all that, but they did. However I do agree I don't think town management will go core.
@@saltiney8578 Heist and Betrayal had a ton on voice work done for - it would have been a waste to not put those to use, specially because back then, the core game was a bit barren of content. Currently, the game is a bit bloated - there's so much to do, piling more on top of it without taking something out seems difficult. I know they did it with Sanctum (it was a very popular league after all) and they just brought the Wildwood and Sentinels back, but those are barely in the game (as rarely encountered quick content exclusive to T16)
@@fakeplaystore7991 so take betrayal out cause I hate unveiling items and throwing them on the ground over and over to get crafts. = ))) haha im just playing I agree with you. I do think unveiling is like one of the least fun mandatory grinds every fuckin league though literally 0 fun.
@clyp3016 thanks for the comment mate and taking the time to correct. Could you please provide the correct info you are refering to for the community? Cheers.
Honestly, the majority of the league content is mid as far as content, its very underwhelming for rewards. Map runners and shipping are basically bubble gum machine vendors. Have an occasional valdo puzzle box, divine, or memory. I have a full set of tier 10 map runners and im running 8 mod maps, and the rewards are underwhelming. There is only one good thing of the league, and thats the currency market. The city building and hiring the settlers is engaging. But when u complete your city, the rewards arent worth the effort. I even had 3 sets of map runners, and the rewards never scaled up. I think the happy reactions feels like Metamorph league. Everyone rated it as a good league, but it wasnt the league mechanic that made everyone happy. It was the expansion of the conquerors. I think when people will look back at this league, the currency market is the only relevant thing introduced, the only thing that made this league highly popular. I dont believe Kingsmarch will go core. This was a beta for POE 2 for the currency market and gold into the economy.
I think you also need to consider the players who are still 3 weeks in just working on building up their town. I still love building it up and I can do 1 ship and 1 set of mappers. Getting a divine here and there still feels great to me.
Yeh definitely its just the currency market and balance passes that made this league. The game itself its just better than its been in a bit and people love that. I expect the only thing to stick around is runecrafting and tattoos and recomb.
the league mechanic is meh , boring , nothing to it except gold collection stress , the idea is good but poorly implemented , i dnt see it going core as it is , also its not fair to sell perimim tabs for people to trade , then give free exchange house for every one , , i dnt see that a fair deal to people who paid real money and have 10s of stash tabs , but who knows , ggg did worse things in the past ,so we just have to wait and see
Agreed. Especially how workers can be lost. It should be something you can invest resources in where you steadily make progress, like gearing a character, not something that requires reinvesting in. It's like if they put durability on gear and you had to ensure you had enough resources to fix your gear, otherwise you'd brick your character. It's stressful and not fun. They should make Kingsmarch more expensive but without upkeep other than feeding maps/sending shipments. Both of those things require enough involvement. Building Kingsmarch could instead be more expensive/require currency investment up front. It could also scale by gearing your map runners.
I dont see it unfair..i bought several tabs for selling..but u primarely use them to sell items..not currency..fragments or similar..the market is huge for currency trading only..
@@GoodGuyGaming3 i saw one already and yours, i was waiting to see if they buffed ground loot or anything but all they said was dust is better with zero explanation.
@@GoodGuyGaming3 I think they botched the new mod pool pretty big too, if they planned to put in vaal lightning strike they could have done a bunch of other fun mods.... instead it's nothing really interesting to do in pob
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I'd be happy if it went core if I could set kingsmarch as my base, so annoying having to keep going to Kingsmarch to micro manage everything.
I did start this league after taking a (justified) skip of last league, but now I decided to play SSF and I have never played a SSF character this far. Yes I don't even have the AH and this is my favorite league of all time and I have played almost all leagus since 2013 with just 5 skips.
I hope Kingsmarch stays, and not just the AH. I hope at least shipments will stay, it feels so good logging in after work or in the morning with 3 loot screens waiting to be opened.
Things that are almost certain to go core, unless something goes horribly wrong (90+%):
- the currency exchange (it was made to solve part of the trade problem after all)
- gold (to fuel the currency exchange in a non-tradeable way).
Things that have a good chance (75%) of going core:
- Faustus's black market gamba (as a way to dump excess gold and/or give gold some utility in SSF). As an aside, that might prompt a rework of Gwen's expedition shop, since the black market fulfills the same niche.
Things that may or may not go core (50%):
- recombinating device. If it goes core, expect it to require outrageous amounts of gold to use, plus some other currency (chaos/exalts/divines). Alternatively, GGG just reenables recombinators to drop and makes them rarer (since they're already much worse anyway, according to people using them in Standard).
Things that probably won't go core (25%):
- Kingsmarch itself. If it goes core, it probably replaces the current area as the end game player hub, since it has been a while since it was changed from Oriath anyway.
Things that definitely won't go core (as much chance as Chris Wilson's hair growing back):
- shipments, map devices, ores, disenchant, farms (lol of course no)
- kalguuran rune enchantments (no way another craft bench is added to the game, even if they nerfed it into uselessness)
I think you might be wrong about shipments. If you don't count the AH, shipments is what people love most this league. At least they'll have to think more how to keep those in the game,because there will be riots when they're gone.
this league was the first league a mirror of kalandra dropped ever for me ( thx alva)
Congrats mate!
I too got my first mirror from Alva (in 3.8). Let's keep this secret to ourselves.
I honestly only care about the currency exchange staying.
But we will need other gold sinks so some form of Kingsmarch will survive
Gold creates a toxic cycle so that I always feel like I have to go in and farm gold otherwise my Kingsmarch stands still..
I think the design intent was perhaps to choose between shipping and mapping. Under that idea, it makes sense you're running out of gold trying to run both.
Harvest is really a bad example here GGG have kind of repeatedly said for years they the biggest mistake they ever made in the game was making Hsrvedt core
Now for me Harvest was the best league by far for me in its history and until this session I have never played remotely as much as I did in Harvest but then came this league and this will easily be my best played league ever
The two main factors that I think tells us that GGG will make SOK go core is, that the mechanic is so different from all other content in the game and they love content diversity, and the fact that it's Kings March and not any other city name makes the perfect connection to PoE 2.
Its a game changer for poor efficiency casual players like me. Thats why it is well received. I got 10 divines from ships. That is more than I get in a whole league usually. Plus im still playing.
what are you shipping? I have only 700 hrs, max i've gotten in a league is about 5 divs. Please give ur secret :D
@@hakonbogen no secret. I just shipped 1000 food of each type to the two close ports. Plus dust.
@@hakonbogen no secret. I just shipped 1000 food of each type to the two close ports. Plus dust.
I've been wanting to continue playing this league more than any other one in a long time. I love having my workers do things for me while I'm at work. My only real complaint is that I cant farm enough gold to really run everything like mappers at full capacity due to my time constraints which is ironic since afk running mappers was one of the things I was most looking forwards to this league. I'm hoping to see more interaction between mining ore and delving, like finding gold nodes or double ore nodes. Seems to make sense thematically and would make delve more fun.
Use lower-tier workers? Particularly miners and smythes. From my observations, it's better (more gold-efficient) to keep lower-tier miners and smythes working 24/7, than to keep Tier 10s working only a few hours.
I think the design intent was perhaps to choose between shipping and mapping. Under that idea, it makes sense you're running out of gold trying to run both.
@@PhotriusPyrelus thanks for the tip, ill try to bring down the tier of some of my workers and yes I've had to stop mapping to do shipping. I only have maybe 10 hours a week I can play so I was just disappointed the it felt like I couldn't run my mappers.
@@GamingTremor I understand, man. It sucks. It feels to me like the game is designed for the streamers who play the game as a job. Everyone else without that much time to sink gets left in the dust as an afterthought.
Of course, while it sucks to be a "second-class player", you can't really blame them, the streamer class tend to be the ones who whale hard on the game.
I think we can safely say there's no way they can talk the auction house away at this point. I'm sure it was just the test for POE2 might see some tweaks but it's definitely here to say. I like the idea of King's March becoming POE mobile in some capacity but we can still interact with it from the PC or console.
yeah they can't remove it without a full blown riot, also it works pretty well for what it is could be better ofc but it does remove a lot of the tedious trading out of the game which is great.
This is my favourite league in a long, long time.
I am sat with more divines and chaos than ever at this point in a league I have been able to do pinnacle bosses for the first time as i havnt gotten board of a character before getting it to a point where it could as building characters is more fun for me than pushing them to the high end.
I may be biased as most of the rewards that i have gotten have been very good compaired to most of people have said that they have received. Like my mappers running tier one maps and dropping me a Soul Taker and 4 divines in one map.
For me it feels like it's a evolution of the hideout. Only think it really needs is a map device and I won't be using mine nearly as much as it just feels better in my opinion.
i'm a noob but why would they get rid of an expansion? hiest, mapping, sanctum where all expansions that had a bigger system than usual
So leagues are different from expansions in precise terms for POE. Expansions are typically a once a year major late game update, introducing new end game mapping systems and/or bosses. Sirius, guardians, Maven, Exarch, Eater, all that stuff has come via expansions. Leagues are large patches throughout the year that come with a temporary economy (3-4 months) and usually a good amount of content added to the game (heist, sanctum, kingsmarch, etc). Not every league goes core to the gameplay of path of exile. Sometimes leagues that are not deemed by the GGG team as being healthy, helpful, or good for the direction of the game are not included as regular content for future engagement by players (such as Necropolis League, Trial of the Ancients, Synthesis way back, etc). Sometimes a league "goes core" and is added to the game, and sometimes it does not. Hope that answers you mate!
I know this will not happen, as GGG has never done anything remotely close to it but my hope with it going core is to combine it with heist and expedition, to make it all one unified process that can run all in tandum alongside of running maps. make it so you have to heist to get bars out of small chests, run expedition to get crops, and the shipping and disenchanting happen in Kingsmarch. Interact with everyone in Kingsmarch, and upgrade the town as a whole to tier x, instead of each individually since it wont be the main league (I wish this was the case with heist as well instead of each person and each person only had line one item slot, that is the single worst thing about heist for me, not doors. It takes forever for it to feel like it comes online). since the characters are already part of the town, it would be super easy to make it make sense lore wise too.
Again, I know this is a pipe dream and won't happen but I think it would all work really well together.
For those of us who aren't end-game power brokers, Kingsmarch lends some much needed opportunities to make some scratch. We plebes will get some satisfaction from out petty scrabblings in the dirt. Add to that the satisfaction of building up the town, and watching our workers grinding out commodities *for* us, and this is the formula for long-term engagement. Curiously, gold drops have made me unconsciously expect *other* currencies to autoloot, and a strange feeling of dissatisfaction when they don't. I wonder if GGG is training us to expect that? =^[.]^=
GGG have said the currency exchange exists as a test to see if it can be done permamently. they have even laid the groundwork for it being permament with Faustus in hideout. All they need is to keep gold dropping [perhaps less often without the sinks in Kingsmarch]
As for Kingsmarch itself going core; some things would have to be tweaked. Worker management will be a lot less of a thing if resources are only popping up 1/x maps. I doubt Kingsmarch is the sort of thing that could really get atlas support or scarabs. If the resources are not spawning every map; you're going to need to increase the yield per resource.
Rebalances aside; I see no real issue with it going core; as a source of Tattoos especially.
Talkative Tri is convinced that basically none of it is going core, but I cannot imagine basically it all going core. Ships and map runners increase retention. The currency exchange completely changes the dynamics of getting currency. And gold feels so natural in POE from the first time something dropped gold. It is really more of an expansion but they might risk killing the game if it does not go core it is so compelling.
excellent video!
I figured the currency market would go core but not the whole of Kingsmarch. Thinking on it more, if they do make the whole thing core, then they wouldn't have to rebalance the gold as much. Probably they would rebalance the ore since I assume they wouldn't have ore every zone and map but...that's probably it.
A day or two ago Ghazzy did a little complaint about how you could use gold for the exchange or gold for your town, but not both. He saw that as a negative. I see it as a positive. You have a choice. You can run your town or you can play the stock market in your hideout. It's giving the player choice. If you are doing your town and you want to switch, you just let it run out or sideline all of your workers for a while. I think the game is better by giving us easy choices like that rather than giving us everything all at once.
Yeah also its just people want to have everything immediately, your supposed to work on your town over the course of weeks if not 2 months, your not supposed to have it all maxed out in 3 days.
It's actually very bad and made me quit already lmao i invested all my time and money into upgrading the town hoping it'll give better loot that i barely used the exchange for selling scarabs because i got no chaos or divs from anything else and i never got to use the gamble item thing more than twice in campaign. There's no choice when the league mechanic rewards were so trash that they forced you to spend everything on the town for the false hope that they'd get better and never did.
Infact i suspect it was balanced around, like every other game that you built your economy since wc3 world editor games existed like sheep and tree tag... There should have been a gold farm in the bottom left that was yoinked and ruined the balance by some clowns thinking the top 1% was gonna abuse it.
this is I think the second league I've actually made a second character first being funnily enough also archmage in delirium this time that was a decision made cause I wanted the chest opening caster mastery to make blighted maps suck a little less and the build looked cool probably not the best build to waste a point with but oh well. also interested to see what changes are made to kingsmarch when it goes core cause it is definetely too powerful to go core unchanged
transmission received! cant stop playing! have big plans!
right now, after the mid-league patch, i would miss recombinators most if they were removed again
While I like the currency exchange it feels better to sell something to get chaos than use chaos to buy something price wise with gold mainly.
Another thing feeling is that during the acts I was like yeah I am getting enough gold to keep my town going but mainly from the moment I hit half way maps I feel like I cant keep up with my gold to keep the town running. I scrambled my gold around from a few play sessions and got to nearly 200k gold and I know if I just let it in the town I get like 1,5 to 2 days worth out it and it is gone while it took a lot longer than that to get it which makes me feel a bit bombed out by.
Ingeneral I think the league is good but I still feel like there should be some tweaks more people who dont spent 16 hours per day playing to enjoy the mechanic more than in current balance state.
Honestly I just want the whole league to go core. I have no complaints. Yea sure they should tweak the numbers a bit, but the whole thing is great. And even better, you don't have to interact with it if you don't want to, unlike Necropolis.
While I really enjoy the city and think it is generally a fun side mini game and enjoy the progression path I think it would likely get very old over time if they treated this anything like they do other league mechanics and didn't mess with it every league. Then factor in how basically nothing lately has gone core or when it does it really feels or looks nothing like it was on release I don't think this would go core.
I would say theres no way the town would ever go core, but I said the same thing about heist like surely theres no way they would make you level up all these different heist members and gear them out every single league right? so i've been wrong before it could be like heist where sure you can do the town and all that but you can also easily ignore it.
I think your argument about if they remove kingsmarch they'd have to change currency exchange a lot and is not true at all, they would simply nerf gold to an acceptable level to only use the currency exchange its really not rocket science,
My guess is that it will stay, but as a fully built town, with the gold sink being higher costs for workers and slightly worse rewards than we see now. I believe that Kingsmarch will also be a platform for future leagues to build on, with further expansion and mechanics built on top of it.
Town is gone for sure no chance they have the whole town shit in the game permanently, gold and auction house stays, But I would of also said the same thing about heist like no way they're gunna leave this whole entire fuckin heist thing in right guys>? so I can be wrong
Currency exchange is the GOAT, but i doubt kingsmarch will stay since it produces too much divines to be left in the base game.
Am I missing how to make divines on it? I've gotten maybe 2 if I'm lucky
@@tms012493 Mappers bring me atleast 3-4 div per day, ontop of Voidkeys and Valdo boxes. Also low investment shipping to 30min port brings me around 4-5 div per day.
@@tms012493 are you fully upgraded?
@@tms012493 if u get your atlas device up until u can run red maps and also have the town upgrade to reroll for higher workers, the map device will occasionally drop you a divine or a valdo's puzzle box. You just need to have all your map runners be at least level 8, and they mostly wont die. You will have an occasional one die, but its workable. You just really need to find a good gold farm. What i did was do synthesis maps to first start generating gold. If u can fit in a item rarity support on your main skill along with a gold flask, it will boost your gold drops. Rarity boosts gold drops.
@@GoodGuyGaming3 Not yet. Which is a fair point.
EDIT: Well I'm a dumb-dumb. I thought PoE2 was still just an expansion and rebalance for PoE, not its own game. So yeah, in PoE1, we *could* keep rebuilding it every league. ::shrug::
26 minutes to discuss an obvious answer? Really? Kingsmarch is a town in PoE 2. We can't very well have a mechanic where we build it up every season if it's a main town in one of the acts, can we? Enjoy it while it lasts because despite how nice it is, it's gone after 3.25.
I still don't understand how they decide what to add to core and what to let die, though. Dogwater like Sanctum gets to stay, but the chasiest chase mechanic they ever introduced (crucible) gets axed? Wee Todd Edd.
There needs to be some tweaking to things like mappers and gold, but if they took away the exchange it'd be a legit mistake. The game very badly needs automation in trade, and this is a very substantial first step.
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Faustus is the goat, the rest of the mechanic is underwhelming, I really dont understand why this league has such better reception then necropolis
@dante5526 because instead of getting corpse drops which might be of a divine in value (and were a pain to sell) you can just kill monsters and interact with a system that feels easier to get a chance (shipping mapping) at the divine. Even if it is less rewarding, the whole system "feels" more rewarding than necro for some players.
I'm loving kingsmarch for 1 league, I really hope it does not go core tho
The city itself will eventually become the endgame player hub, I'm willing to bet my ill-gotten gains on it - it looks nicer than the current cave dump we're occupying with Kirac and his gang, and besides, it would be a move towards PoE 2's timeline. Perhaps not yet, but maybe a few leagues down the line - I'd be willing to bet they'd definitely do it close to PoE2's release so both games have that area in common.
The city management aspects won't go core though, that's almost a certainty.
@@fakeplaystore7991 I dont think the town would go core, but it isnt as crazy as it seems I would of never thought Heist or betrayal would go core, like surely they wouldnt add the whole rogue harbour and make you level up and gear all the heist members individually every single time, and surely they wouldnt add in this giant confusing betrayal board and all that, but they did. However I do agree I don't think town management will go core.
@@saltiney8578 Heist and Betrayal had a ton on voice work done for - it would have been a waste to not put those to use, specially because back then, the core game was a bit barren of content. Currently, the game is a bit bloated - there's so much to do, piling more on top of it without taking something out seems difficult. I know they did it with Sanctum (it was a very popular league after all) and they just brought the Wildwood and Sentinels back, but those are barely in the game (as rarely encountered quick content exclusive to T16)
@@fakeplaystore7991 so take betrayal out cause I hate unveiling items and throwing them on the ground over and over to get crafts. = ))) haha im just playing I agree with you.
I do think unveiling is like one of the least fun mandatory grinds every fuckin league though literally 0 fun.
first point is straight up misinformation, be it malice or incompetence im not sure. either way its disgusting. be better
@clyp3016 thanks for the comment mate and taking the time to correct. Could you please provide the correct info you are refering to for the community? Cheers.
Honestly, the majority of the league content is mid as far as content, its very underwhelming for rewards. Map runners and shipping are basically bubble gum machine vendors. Have an occasional valdo puzzle box, divine, or memory. I have a full set of tier 10 map runners and im running 8 mod maps, and the rewards are underwhelming. There is only one good thing of the league, and thats the currency market. The city building and hiring the settlers is engaging. But when u complete your city, the rewards arent worth the effort. I even had 3 sets of map runners, and the rewards never scaled up. I think the happy reactions feels like Metamorph league. Everyone rated it as a good league, but it wasnt the league mechanic that made everyone happy. It was the expansion of the conquerors. I think when people will look back at this league, the currency market is the only relevant thing introduced, the only thing that made this league highly popular. I dont believe Kingsmarch will go core. This was a beta for POE 2 for the currency market and gold into the economy.
i agree
The drop rate is totally something they can just adjust over time or until it goes core. That's imo the least worry about SOK going core.
I think you also need to consider the players who are still 3 weeks in just working on building up their town. I still love building it up and I can do 1 ship and 1 set of mappers. Getting a divine here and there still feels great to me.
I disagree.
Yeh definitely its just the currency market and balance passes that made this league. The game itself its just better than its been in a bit and people love that. I expect the only thing to stick around is runecrafting and tattoos and recomb.
the league mechanic is meh , boring , nothing to it except gold collection stress , the idea is good but poorly implemented , i dnt see it going core as it is , also its not fair to sell perimim tabs for people to trade , then give free exchange house for every one , , i dnt see that a fair deal to people who paid real money and have 10s of stash tabs , but who knows , ggg did worse things in the past ,so we just have to wait and see
Agreed. Especially how workers can be lost. It should be something you can invest resources in where you steadily make progress, like gearing a character, not something that requires reinvesting in. It's like if they put durability on gear and you had to ensure you had enough resources to fix your gear, otherwise you'd brick your character. It's stressful and not fun. They should make Kingsmarch more expensive but without upkeep other than feeding maps/sending shipments. Both of those things require enough involvement. Building Kingsmarch could instead be more expensive/require currency investment up front. It could also scale by gearing your map runners.
I dont see it unfair..i bought several tabs for selling..but u primarely use them to sell items..not currency..fragments or similar..the market is huge for currency trading only..
The league is dying youtube videos like this are coming pretty quick this league huh
I didn't realize others were already talking about this particular point. Thanks for letting me know mate!
@@GoodGuyGaming3 i saw one already and yours, i was waiting to see if they buffed ground loot or anything but all they said was dust is better with zero explanation.
@@GoodGuyGaming3 I think they botched the new mod pool pretty big too, if they planned to put in vaal lightning strike they could have done a bunch of other fun mods.... instead it's nothing really interesting to do in pob
I would say except for the auction house, the belief for KingsMarch to go core is 100% copium ; proove me wrong 💺💺💺