22:46 Shaun Pollock clearly layed out the rule, immediately after the game. The boundary is where the rope is - if a fielder did a slide and pushed the rope out - then that’s where the new boundary is - until someone corrects it
more importantly it seems like the rope was shifted when Nortje crashed into the boundary trying to save the four by Kohli in the very first over. So the rope stayed that way for 39 overs.
bit weird they don't already know this Boundary "dimensions" in cricket are non existent, unlike Football or most other sports It can be 80m, 60m, oval, circle..... literally ANYTHING
the problem is, they did not show enough angles in live review. they rushed the decision. that's where people find that could be a blunder. i mean 3rd umpire obviously knows better cricket rules but why give people a chance to find something fishy. same things happened in 2019 final. it was a blunder.
Fellas the rope was likely shifted when Nortje crashed into it trying to save that four in the first over by Kohli. So it most likely stayed that way for the rest of the 39 overs. Unless someone proves that the rope was shifted right before Miller hit that shot, it's a fair catch.
Catch is not important. Klassen nicked a slow wide one first ball after a dodgy break. It was over right there. Well played India. Can we borrow Bumrah?❤
C'mon boys. You cant bring sandpaper mentions in the boundary rope thing. Nobody in the Indian team was aware of it, nor was it their responsibility to be aware of it. It is an umpiring/officiating error. Aus did the sandpaper thing on purpose.
They are trying to bring some controversy to belittle India’s victory because Aus crashed out from super 8s. There has never been a bigger example of cheating than what Ponting, Symonds, Steve Buckner and Mark Benson did during the Sydney test in 2008. And the came Sandpaper gate. And here they are forcefully trying to find fault in India’s World Cup victory. Can’t expect better from Aussies
They didn't bring sandpaper into it. They were joking that you lot would abuse them and bring up sandpaper because you wouldn't be happy when them even bringing up the notion that the boundary was in the wrong position. And they were right.
@@c3vzn i understand that. Like I said, it was an umpiring error. But one can also infer that them bringing it up implies they are taking away some of that shine from the win. Again, not saying that is their intention. But people can chose to infer that.
@@harjot21 If you infer that, then that's your problem. There are articles being written about it, including Indian publications and it's an interesting topic for a podcast so why wouldn't they? Maybe Indian fans would watch 2 hours of them glorifying the team but the rest of us would find it boring as hell.
The rope was pushed back by Nortjye in the 1st over of the game. The rules say that the plastic thingy is the boundary now. So a fair catch. Whilst not answering the substance of the question, it does annoy me when boundaries are not symmetrical and snaking around. One would think that all grounds should just have a painted line and get the advertising stuff beyond it.
As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
Jay Shah said yesterday that the focus of BCCI now is the 2025 Champions Trophy and WTC final with the seniors playing a big part of it. If India wins both, imagine the reaction from other countries.
Won 1 trophy in last 11 year, Jay shah can buy icc but he can buy pedigree, wtc final they will face Australia, even god cricket won't win them final against Australia,
@@nitinpatel1039if they reach finals? aussies reach test finals cause it's one of the four nations which is playing test the most, they reach ODI CWC finals cause the format was league, if it was a Group stage they were out, just like t20 world cup and champions trophy is a group stage cup, Aussies are great cricketers but they can be beaten and they have been beaten in semis and finals before. They haven't reached champions trophy final in last 10 years
@@nitinpatel1039 Womp Womp .India have thrashed everyside in tests irrespective of the venue .2021 final we lost become of rain and 2023 wtc we had no bumrah which makes huge difference .Even Iyer pant injured
22:55 i am also not sure but I think the rope was pushed 1 metre farther before the start of game And the marks were made by ropes before today It means in whole match ropes was in same place
@sabertrat the catch is clean, I don't think anyone's it's not. The laws are also clear: wherever the boundary lines ends up is where the new biundary line is. I'm just wondering about all this other stuff.
@@sharathsh9987As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
There are many matches on a ground during a tournament. Different pitches are used. Boundary is shifted when different pitches are used. Marks on grass are from previous matches.
Either from other matches or Andre in the very first over shifted it when he chased a boundary by Virat Kohli. Trust unnecessary controversy for Indian Wins! People are a heck of a lot jealous about India, for the past decade in general!
Guys, the cut-off age to be an India coach is 60. Dravid is only 51 so if he wanted he could probably have been retained by BCCI as India coach BUT Dravid wanted to call it a day...
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Both teams played well and deserve respect .Congratulations India and really well played South Africa also we wouldnt have imagined such a thrilling match in final.
India won by 5 runs against Pakistan in 2007, by 7 runs against South Africa, what an innings in final by Virat Kohli, Hardik Pandya and Bumrah turned the match, Sky caught the catch of the tournament. Roko legendary retired after winning T20WC glory for India, Indian team will never be same after Roko, Jadeja retired and will be missing in dugout. It was a clean catch if boundary cushions are disturbed it's ICC officials problem to place it properly, India is coming to Champions trophy to win it in subcontinent batting conditions with spin and seam coming in picture as match progress in late winter on placid batting wickets in Pakistan.
@Riuytfhjklf4634 Well they are mostly pro-Indian it's kinda of obvious since most of their fan base is from India, and they intend to emblish India to much, an outsider can see it maybe not an indian fan.
I was there at the ground in the TV commentary box and can tell that the white line that's in question here was not the boundary. The boundary rope wedge was behind that white line and this was the case from the start of the match. When the pitch is changed, the boundaries are adjusted. This is a normal practice. This can lead to leaving of white mark on the ground from the previous placement of the boundary rope wedges. It's clear from the picture that the whole boundary rope was pushed back and not any particular spot. It's not a case where a fielder knowingly displaced the boundary rope and the ground staff did not put it back to its right place to give a side undue advantage. -Rajneesh Gupta (Cricket Statistician)
@TGC, just watch the victory parade on Marine Drive, Mumbai today and it shows what is cricket is to India. (Although, I still believe, the best is One day world cup and test championship which is due to come over next few years)
At 26:33 Indian players r not like WI,PaK,Eng players who will go back on their words and come back from retirement if there is a wc near...1st reason- There is more than enough talent in Ind that they wouldn't need Ro,VK and Jaddu to comeback and help them win Icc tourney...2nd- These decesions r not taken lightly or just in the heat of the moment... Kohli had already said that even they would've lost the match he would've retired and he won't go back on his words same goes for Ro and Jaddu.
10:24 Tough luck Saffas! You guys were amazing! I’m sure your team will win one soon! This result, as much as it hurts, will propel the team! Look no further than what happened over the last 7 months with the team that beat you! Good luck!
To answer your question on where the line is - Given that the rope or toblerone is used to determine whether its a six or a four, then its also used to determine whether its a catch or not (whether the foot touched or didn't). I hope this clears the air. Controversy for its own sake is not a good idea.
21:56 Yes, it's amazing to see some hate from foreign media and also the suck up, but somehow I'm enjoying the hate more. so this is how it feels to dominate & WIN. I think for the 1st time in history India has a chip over some of the best teams in the world - like Afg could make a semi in CT but they don't show up against India same could be said against SA? Aus has already got the token win in 2023 so they can't win 2025 CT in Pak that's the rule (& I don't make them) so India starts favorite for CT in Pak.
@atulbesra822 I think India will & should go. Aus Eng have already toured Pak and its Pak duty to provide security which can be collaboration and achieved easily. Security is the only legit concern no political reason to stop this at this moment tbh.
It's like India can never be appreciated anymore,Icc favors them,Pitches favour them,boundaries are pushed back for them,I truly believe this is what racism is,If this was the english team or the australian we would never be discussing this,You guys might play it off by mentioning that we may say all this but it is true.
One of the best broadcaster was Shane Warne because he was one of the greatest cricketer as well as most generous man playing cricket. I would have loved to hear what he would have said after this match. He would have supported both SA and India.
Matt Short is by a long way leading Scorer in BBL for 2 seasons, he should've been in this WC squad especially spinning the ball too, he's shown signs at international level albeit down the order. Aaron Hardie too. There's enough talent to replace they just need a decent run in team to develop.
There is no confusion regarding the fairness of catch.The match replay is available free in hotstar..people can go and check there is a replay after Miller walks off the ground from a different view( sort of a bird's eye view from front) where it is clearly seen that Surya was well within the boundary ropes..and the third umpire obviously has got many monitors in front of him and more angles than actually broadcasted.. Regarding the shifting of the ropes, first of all it was not done by Nortje while chasing the boundary in the first over of Indian innings(as suggested by some) as the boundary happened in opposite end of the ground...but it is utterly dumb to assume that someone from Indian team has shifted the ropes at the exact same location where that catch was to happen and no one from the SA camp or any other non Indian supporting people have seen it and objected against it..the match happened on a new pitch and the ropes were prolly adjusted well before the match in which case the ropes stands the actual boundary for both the innings played. These are just narratives created by some people to satisfy their own views and ego and to help themselves sleep at night.
a big congrats to my brothers from UK and australia for reaching semi and group stage respectively well deserved and congratulations on losinh to india hehe
As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
I have always wondered about the boundary rope position whenever players dive near the boundary. Players set the rope themselves. Unlike in the case of stumps, where umpires inspect the stumps when a player puts the bells or fists the stump, they don't inspect the boundary rope. The only conclusion I came up with is that the rope's position can change (a bit), and the boundary is where the rope is, not where it was before ball one. Kind of a grey area. Who arbitrates the rope position? 3rd umpire?
Hey BOYS, Did some research, here for your optics. On the laws of the catch 19.1.1 Before the toss, the umpires shall determine the boundary of the field of play, which shall be fixed for the duration of the match 19.3 Restoring the boundary If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then 19.3.1 the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position.
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About sky's catch there is no way someone can go and move the boundry line unless the ball goes to that line u can see in the whole match in hotstar the only time the ball went that side was in the first over where nortje pushed the boundary far away so it was there from first over it was all fair
@@Jaydoggie1 And when do you think the rope was shifted you salty man? Nortje crashed into the boundary in the very first over of the match and the rope stayed that way for the next 39 overs. It was the same boundary for both teams for gods sake.
19.3 Restoring the boundary If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then 19.3.1 the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position.
@@gotofield7108 The interpretation of "original position" in 19.3.1 is the position the boundary was before the ball was bowled. It would be a six if and only if SKY had manually moved the boundary while taking the catch. Restoring the plastic boundaries to previous positions prior to every ball being bowled is not the job of the fielding XI.
@@gotofield7108 I don't have an opinion. This is the relevant law. Does it matter if the boundary is disturbed on the particular delivery in question or if it happened earlier? I don't know.
@@MrLee-gj2jz Do you have a reference for your assertion that it is only the position of the boundary prior to the ball bowled. For me it is unclear. It could also be interpreted as the position of the boundary on the first ball of the match. I noticed on other comments you make that you have an agenda against Australia, England and Pakistan. Why are you full of hate.
@@UmpireStrikesBack These are the MCC rules: 19.1.1 before toss, umpires shall determine boundaries of field of play and which stay the boundaries for the duration of the match. from 19.1.1, it is the job of the umpires to check before each ball is bowled as to what is the state of the boundary. It is not the job of either SA XI or India XI to maintain sanctity or stationarity of the boundaries. 19.2 The boundary shall be marked by a continuous white line or by an object in contact with the ground from 19.2, the boundary for the final was a rope through which triangular cushions were affixed upon. There was no white line underneath the rope with triangular advertising cushions. Therefore, the boundary is very clearly the triangular cushions. 19.3 states the conditions on restoring the boundary after it has been disturbed. The key point is no one ever made the case while the match was in play that the boundary was disturbed. "Disturbed" would imply that the rope was cut or the cushions damaged. Nothing of this sort ever took place. if a fielder slides and moves the ropes or cushions while trying to field the ball, the boundary is reset and the new position becomes the original position. This is the case unless the umpires intervene and rule that the "movement" owing to the fielder indeed constitutes a "disturbance", and resets the position of the boundary. SKY did not alter the boundary position between the time interval between Pandya bowling to Miller and SKY taking the catch. He took the catch cleanly considering the original position of the boundary as it was while the ball was in play in over 19 ball 1. It seems to be England, Australia, Pakistan, who are butt-hurt by India winning. You need to ask why the English, Aussies, and Pakis harbour this kind of hate towards India. I mean the men in Blue won it without losing a single match. And they were consistently reaching semi-finals and finals of ICC events for the past decade.
Here's a question to ponder upon: Considering that T20 cricket will be a regular feature in the Olympics (hopefully!) for the next decade or so, should cricket boards of countries be investing in creating a team specific for the Olympics - this will ensure that the regular bilateral, franchise leagues keep going on as usual, while another section of Olympians get trained in the T20 format, and whenever there's a bench strength strangle, these Olympians can join the team for other assignments. This can be replicated in the men's and women's game, making sports a lucrative career for millions in the Asia-Pacific and EU/North American markets. I ask this, since I've been informed that being an Olympian needs a separate level of training to take on the pressures of a 4-year patient wait! A further ryder to this question - should we be moving to a multi-team, multi-format approach considering we have a growing number of cricket formats? #AskTGC
The boundary rope / cardboard mini hoardings with lots of ads, are a problem, Sometimes when they shift due to fielder kicking them, they are not placed back in exact position.
Should make a line or some sort of marker which doesn't move after a player dives or touches it , or employ people who put back the rope in place after a player touches it. Implement this going forward so no more controversies.
When you say T20 WC looks like the only way to go now, so were the ODIs. Australia dominated for two decades enormously in that format and it was the biggest thing. But maybe it's just us now who do the same with T20!
Some people claiming the feet of sky touched the cushion from LHS angle. That angle (LHS) is prone to optical illusion.The other angles (RHS) show he was far from the rope and It was green grass which plugged out. The banner on the rope doesn't move at all, the soil (with some grass) does. From LHS, It was merely parallax effect effect btwn the shoe of sky, bottom of cushion and the grass. Clearly some grass comes off which is clear from RHS angle at high quality vedio and that made confusion from LHS angle. The bottom of cushion was vertically aligned and some grass plugged out bcz of friction btwn shoe and the soil and from that it was looked like something at the bottom of cushion vibrated. It's confusion bcz of optical illusions (poor resolution in zoom). The bottom (white border of blue cloth) was still centimetres behind when grass comes off. other angles show he was far from the rope.
Alright, so the official MCC [and ICC] rule for boundaries is : "Section 19.3 states: If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position." I got that from an article on Wisden. Clearly, no one bothered to check when the incident happened.
Whether the boundary is disturbed or not has to be adjudicated by the umpires and not the fielding XI. If the umpires allowed play to take place before over 19, then the solid object that marks the boundary in the position at the start of the 19th over is the "original position". if the umpires do not make the call that the boundary is "disturbed", sections 19.3.1 and 19.3.2 do not even need to be invoked.
Well, the solid object that marks the boundary before the first delivery of the game is the "original boundary". Any movement back and forth thereafter is a perturbed boundary. It's a shame really that sometimes umpires don't bother distinguishing - they just take the "original boundary" to be wherever the ropes are [even if perturbed]. We don't really know if the rope near where SKY took that catch was perturbed or not. Maybe the rope was in the exact same position before the match started. But I just thought the umpires could have taken longer to verify that particular piece of information. Let's imagine a scenario where they discover the rope indeed had been shifted sometime after the first ball (of the match) was delivered and invoked 19.3 to rule the catch not out (ie. 6 runs awarded to SA). Would they have been wrong? I would say no because it's within the law. Would it have seemed unfair? Most definitely.
@@_Vish_7 they cannot invoke 19.3 to award 6 runs. 19.3 only specifies what to do if a boundary gets '"disturbed". And very clearly states that the boundary can be repositioned only AFTER the ball is out of play. 19.5.2 is the clause by which 6 runs can be awarded if a fielder is grounded outside the boundary while in contact with the ball. For 19.5.2 to be applicable, the boundary should have been "disturbed" in a time interval between Pandya starting his bowling stride to Miller in over 19.1 and SKY taking the catch. So the scenario you are describing: where umpires discover boundary disturbances while watching a TV replay to adjudicate a fair catch suddely decide to retrospectively "restore the boundary" and then re-adjusdicate the catch, can never happen.
In bits listening to you reading the Myra Hindley stuff and panicking as you realised the reference. In the UK it seems to happened just about long enough ago that it's just about socially acceptable to make jokes about.
As an Indian Test Cricket is the most important and entertaining for me. I don't feel T20 is that long term and fans might lose interest in quickly (like I did) but this is only my personal experience. Test and ODI feels much more special. But to build better test teams you need to invest a lot of money in to building whole domestic circuits and training fast bowlers which can be gathered from T20 maybe.
It's a parallax effect btwn the spike of sky, the grass and the bottom of the cushion (white line). If you watch full vedio and zoom from both angle it's some grass plugged out and comes off in front of white line of blue cloth (cushion). More clear from RHS angle. You can check it from icc uploaded vedio or hotstar. Some pak and SA fan spread a vedio of 3 sec from LHS angle with in appropriate zoom angle and poor quality vedio. Too make more confusion. That bottom of cushion was 1 or 2 cm behind to touch the shoe. It's grass comes off with some soil. Parallax effect. That's why education is important.
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Aus actually had a very strong team. Their batting actually let them down. Tim David is an extremely overrated player, in my opinion. Even in the IPL, he has flattered to deceive and underperformed.
Reaction of countries after India wins the world cup - AUS - We don't care about t20 ENG - scheduling and venues are done for india to win it NZ - busy in crying over their golden generation end SA - Hurting after loss Pak - These fixers amd terrorists always think everything is fixed 🤣🤣🤣🤣 , always crying 😭😭😭 Ban and SL - shame for Asian cricket Windies and Afghanistan - happy for indian win Others - wants a series with indian team
South African hating would've been understandable, given they were in finals, but they're totally calm, so are nz. It's england, bangladesh and pakistan which is stirring bs cause of their jealousy and loss against India
@kr079australian media has been salty af. Not complaining as I love salt when it comes from Australia. The only reason Australians don't care about t20 is because they can't win
For me T20 is the future of cricket, but test cricket is the utmost pinnacle of cricket. However, considering the future generation which is primarily influenced by youtube shorts and instagram reels, longer format of cricket will be a niche form of cricket. T20 will be the glamorous form of cricket which will spread the cricket around the world. But true lovers of cricket will always cherish Test format. I am doubtful of the future of one day format in the future and for that reason, I want India to win that format in world cup once before it gets vanished from the world of cricket. Having said that, for me honestly, India topping world test championship is more important than winning any other world cups. That is where I want Rohits, Virats, Bumrahs of India to excel next ❤
The Rope: It doesn't matter. If the rope was 6" inside SKY would have taken and adjusted accordingly. We are talking about it because there was some difference in grass. If there wasn't we wouldn't have knew. I really don't think 5-6 inches are taken seriously in practical terms. It should be within tolerance limit. The rule: There is no clear black and white rule on this but whatever rule we have cam be interpreted in both ways. The thing is when you interpret it favouring batting side, it look unfair because when ball was the boundary was there. The fielder see the rope, he can't calculate the distance to a precision of inch. Interpreting the rule: If there is a white line then inner edge is boundary. When there are flags the imaginary line joining 2 flag is boundary. If a rope is used its inner edge is boundary. Now, if boundary gets moved it should be brought back ASAP. If not done before next ball? No rule for that. So, if the rope was moved I assume it must have been brought bat to original position before the ball was bowled by the official responsible. In that case inner edge of the rope before ball was bowled is the boundary. BTW, these all rule I believe is for the conditions when boundary gets moved while fielding. Like when someone dived. I don't think these rules are for conditions when rope gets slight displaced and it remains there before ball was bowled. So technically there is no rule for this situation.
But there's no official mark on the boundary, There's no officially drawn line on boundry, Whatever you is just a mark by padding, So technically there's no officially drawn Boundry, so padding is the boundary
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22:46 Shaun Pollock clearly layed out the rule, immediately after the game. The boundary is where the rope is - if a fielder did a slide and pushed the rope out - then that’s where the new boundary is - until someone corrects it
more importantly it seems like the rope was shifted when Nortje crashed into the boundary trying to save the four by Kohli in the very first over. So the rope stayed that way for 39 overs.
bit weird they don't already know this
Boundary "dimensions" in cricket are non existent, unlike Football or most other sports
It can be 80m, 60m, oval, circle..... literally ANYTHING
Exactly, thank you. That's the rule from eons. People just don't know the basic rules of the game 😂
@@niharsrisrimaal963 They know the rules very well. Just a bunch of salty Aussies, Poms, and Pakis looking for some imaginary issue to tar ICT with.
the problem is, they did not show enough angles in live review. they rushed the decision. that's where people find that could be a blunder. i mean 3rd umpire obviously knows better cricket rules but why give people a chance to find something fishy. same things happened in 2019 final. it was a blunder.
Fellas the rope was likely shifted when Nortje crashed into it trying to save that four in the first over by Kohli. So it most likely stayed that way for the rest of the 39 overs. Unless someone proves that the rope was shifted right before Miller hit that shot, it's a fair catch.
Seeing a brown team win, they are holding onto a rope. These are such a stupid kind or do they think Indians are idiots, not to understand .
Catch is not important. Klassen nicked a slow wide one first ball after a dodgy break. It was over right there. Well played India. Can we borrow Bumrah?❤
Sorry but no, he is precious to us....
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It wasn't a dodgy break!
No bumrah is national treasure
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C'mon boys. You cant bring sandpaper mentions in the boundary rope thing. Nobody in the Indian team was aware of it, nor was it their responsibility to be aware of it. It is an umpiring/officiating error. Aus did the sandpaper thing on purpose.
It wasn't even unfair. The rope likely stayed that way starting from the very first over of the game when Nortje crashed into it.
They are trying to bring some controversy to belittle India’s victory because Aus crashed out from super 8s. There has never been a bigger example of cheating than what Ponting, Symonds, Steve Buckner and Mark Benson did during the Sydney test in 2008. And the came Sandpaper gate. And here they are forcefully trying to find fault in India’s World Cup victory. Can’t expect better from Aussies
They didn't bring sandpaper into it. They were joking that you lot would abuse them and bring up sandpaper because you wouldn't be happy when them even bringing up the notion that the boundary was in the wrong position. And they were right.
@@c3vzn i understand that. Like I said, it was an umpiring error. But one can also infer that them bringing it up implies they are taking away some of that shine from the win. Again, not saying that is their intention. But people can chose to infer that.
@@harjot21 If you infer that, then that's your problem. There are articles being written about it, including Indian publications and it's an interesting topic for a podcast so why wouldn't they? Maybe Indian fans would watch 2 hours of them glorifying the team but the rest of us would find it boring as hell.
The rope was pushed back by Nortjye in the 1st over of the game.
The rules say that the plastic thingy is the boundary now. So a fair catch.
Whilst not answering the substance of the question, it does annoy me when boundaries are not symmetrical and snaking around. One would think that all grounds should just have a painted line and get the advertising stuff beyond it.
As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
Jay Shah said yesterday that the focus of BCCI now is the 2025 Champions Trophy and WTC final with the seniors playing a big part of it.
If India wins both, imagine the reaction from other countries.
Champions Trophy - India may not participate due to the threat for Indian life in Pakistan
Won 1 trophy in last 11 year, Jay shah can buy icc but he can buy pedigree, wtc final they will face Australia, even god cricket won't win them final against Australia,
So true. My favourite part was Indian team not winning against Australia in this year's t20 wc final. Oh wait@@nitinpatel1039
@@nitinpatel1039if they reach finals? aussies reach test finals cause it's one of the four nations which is playing test the most, they reach ODI CWC finals cause the format was league, if it was a Group stage they were out, just like t20 world cup and champions trophy is a group stage cup, Aussies are great cricketers but they can be beaten and they have been beaten in semis and finals before. They haven't reached champions trophy final in last 10 years
@@nitinpatel1039 Womp Womp .India have thrashed everyside in tests irrespective of the venue .2021 final we lost become of rain and 2023 wtc we had no bumrah which makes huge difference .Even Iyer pant injured
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22:55 i am also not sure but
I think the rope was pushed 1 metre farther before the start of game
And the marks were made by ropes before today
It means in whole match ropes was in same place
It was for whole match like that ,
Do we know this for sure? Someone else said it was Nortje that pushed the rope, trying to stop a boundary of Kohli, and didn't correct it.
@@sharathsh9987 Whatever it is, SKY didn't touch the physical boundary and the catch is clean.
@sabertrat the catch is clean, I don't think anyone's it's not. The laws are also clear: wherever the boundary lines ends up is where the new biundary line is. I'm just wondering about all this other stuff.
@@sharathsh9987As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
There are many matches on a ground during a tournament. Different pitches are used. Boundary is shifted when different pitches are used. Marks on grass are from previous matches.
Either from other matches or Andre in the very first over shifted it when he chased a boundary by Virat Kohli.
Trust unnecessary controversy for Indian Wins! People are a heck of a lot jealous about India, for the past decade in general!
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Guys, the cut-off age to be an India coach is 60. Dravid is only 51 so if he wanted he could probably have been retained by BCCI as India coach BUT Dravid wanted to call it a day...
And you really thought they were being real and missed the sarcasm and malicious intent behind the question? Get some brains bruh.
Hmm I didn't see any sarcasm either on the Dravid conversation. Have to hear it again 😊. I usually get it but I guess I have lost my mojo
A Boundary rope is not set right every now and then or after each ball. So the rope position is the boundary.
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The proverbial rope was moved by Marco Jansen while trying to stop a boundary in the first over of the match. So thank you very much Marco.
sandpaper being brought up LMAOO for no reason XD
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Both teams played well and deserve respect .Congratulations India and really well played South Africa also we wouldnt have imagined such a thrilling match in final.
India won by 5 runs against Pakistan in 2007, by 7 runs against South Africa, what an innings in final by Virat Kohli, Hardik Pandya and Bumrah turned the match, Sky caught the catch of the tournament. Roko legendary retired after winning T20WC glory for India, Indian team will never be same after Roko, Jadeja retired and will be missing in dugout. It was a clean catch if boundary cushions are disturbed it's ICC officials problem to place it properly, India is coming to Champions trophy to win it in subcontinent batting conditions with spin and seam coming in picture as match progress in late winter on placid batting wickets in Pakistan.
Just pray that India wins BGT again and see how substantially your subscriber count increases.
What bgt..?
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Great conversation with Brettig. Always interesting to hear how cricket is being consumed in different countries.
Again 300k subscribers mostly from India
280k subscribers are from India
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@Riuytfhjklf4634 Well they are mostly pro-Indian it's kinda of obvious since most of their fan base is from India, and they intend to emblish India to much, an outsider can see it maybe not an indian fan.
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I was there at the ground in the TV commentary box and can tell that the white line that's in question here was not the boundary. The boundary rope wedge was behind that white line and this was the case from the start of the match.
When the pitch is changed, the boundaries are adjusted. This is a normal practice. This can lead to leaving of white mark on the ground from the previous placement of the boundary rope wedges.
It's clear from the picture that the whole boundary rope was pushed back and not any particular spot. It's not a case where a fielder knowingly displaced the boundary rope and the ground staff did not put it back to its right place to give a side undue advantage.
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signing off all my comments now with - (Cricket Statistician)
Always a delight listening to you both. Cheers boys!
1:28:31 started watching Colin from accounts, I'm hookedddd. Great shout, thank you Sam
@TGC, just watch the victory parade on Marine Drive, Mumbai today and it shows what is cricket is to India. (Although, I still believe, the best is One day world cup and test championship which is due to come over next few years)
At 26:33 Indian players r not like WI,PaK,Eng players who will go back on their words and come back from retirement if there is a wc near...1st reason- There is more than enough talent in Ind that they wouldn't need Ro,VK and Jaddu to comeback and help them win Icc tourney...2nd- These decesions r not taken lightly or just in the heat of the moment... Kohli had already said that even they would've lost the match he would've retired and he won't go back on his words same goes for Ro and Jaddu.
Rope moved in the first inning due to a dive to save a four you can see in highlights
10:24 Tough luck Saffas! You guys were amazing! I’m sure your team will win one soon! This result, as much as it hurts, will propel the team! Look no further than what happened over the last 7 months with the team that beat you! Good luck!
One thing kohli said and realized that if you think you can do anything then you are wrong. There is one above us
To answer your question on where the line is - Given that the rope or toblerone is used to determine whether its a six or a four, then its also used to determine whether its a catch or not (whether the foot touched or didn't). I hope this clears the air. Controversy for its own sake is not a good idea.
Thank you for your service boys 🥳🇮🇳
21:56 Yes, it's amazing to see some hate from foreign media and also the suck up, but somehow I'm enjoying the hate more. so this is how it feels to dominate & WIN. I think for the 1st time in history India has a chip over some of the best teams in the world - like Afg could make a semi in CT but they don't show up against India same could be said against SA? Aus has already got the token win in 2023 so they can't win 2025 CT in Pak that's the rule (& I don't make them) so India starts favorite for CT in Pak.
India will not go to Pakistan. I hope you know it.If you do not, you should know it.
@atulbesra822 I think India will & should go. Aus Eng have already toured Pak and its Pak duty to provide security which can be collaboration and achieved easily. Security is the only legit concern no political reason to stop this at this moment tbh.
Ian you are too old, but for me the first ever memory to get into cricket was India wining the T20 WC back in 2007, I loved the game ever since then
Congrats 👏🏽 again for 300k .
It's like India can never be appreciated anymore,Icc favors them,Pitches favour them,boundaries are pushed back for them,I truly believe this is what racism is,If this was the english team or the australian we would never be discussing this,You guys might play it off by mentioning that we may say all this but it is true.
43:45 Cricket. Sports. And toddlers. Wow ❤
The boundary is where Suryakumar Yadav is. Sky is the limit.
One of the best broadcaster was Shane Warne because he was one of the greatest cricketer as well as most generous man playing cricket.
I would have loved to hear what he would have said after this match. He would have supported both SA and India.
Matt Short is by a long way leading Scorer in BBL for 2 seasons, he should've been in this WC squad especially spinning the ball too, he's shown signs at international level albeit down the order. Aaron Hardie too. There's enough talent to replace they just need a decent run in team to develop.
Never thought I'll see 2 guys in underwear in the corner while watching a cricket show 😂😂
Great Stuff - Great cricket!
There is no confusion regarding the fairness of catch.The match replay is available free in hotstar..people can go and check there is a replay after Miller walks off the ground from a different view( sort of a bird's eye view from front) where it is clearly seen that Surya was well within the boundary ropes..and the third umpire obviously has got many monitors in front of him and more angles than actually broadcasted..
Regarding the shifting of the ropes, first of all it was not done by Nortje while chasing the boundary in the first over of Indian innings(as suggested by some) as the boundary happened in opposite end of the ground...but it is utterly dumb to assume that someone from Indian team has shifted the ropes at the exact same location where that catch was to happen and no one from the SA camp or any other non Indian supporting people have seen it and objected against it..the match happened on a new pitch and the ropes were prolly adjusted well before the match in which case the ropes stands the actual boundary for both the innings played.
These are just narratives created by some people to satisfy their own views and ego and to help themselves sleep at night.
For SA. There has been many occasions in T20 WC when runner-up won next trophy.
@26:33 boys, there’s the champions trophy before the next ODI World Cup. That’s what Kohli and Rohit are targeting.
a big congrats to my brothers from UK and australia for reaching semi and group stage respectively well deserved and congratulations on losinh to india hehe
Well articulated..manifest of emotions of Indian fans after World cup win
The rope was moved back when Nortje dived to stop Kohli’s boundary on the last bowl of first over.
As per the laws, The boundary is where the object used to indicate a boundary originally was placed, so technically it was a six but its on the officials to identify not a player
I have always wondered about the boundary rope position whenever players dive near the boundary. Players set the rope themselves. Unlike in the case of stumps, where umpires inspect the stumps when a player puts the bells or fists the stump, they don't inspect the boundary rope. The only conclusion I came up with is that the rope's position can change (a bit), and the boundary is where the rope is, not where it was before ball one. Kind of a grey area. Who arbitrates the rope position? 3rd umpire?
27:30
So how do we wrap up the world cup?
We met Kohli ❌
Afghanistan defeated us ✅
Hey BOYS,
Did some research, here for your optics. On the laws of the catch
19.1.1 Before the toss, the umpires shall determine the boundary of the field of play, which shall be fixed for the duration of the match
19.3 Restoring the boundary
If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then
19.3.1 the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position.
You guys are phenomenal 👌👍Your channel deserve more subscribers.. At least 1 million😘but for this you have to include some reaction videos in between your analysis. And also make some interviews of more Indian players.. That will be so fun.. Thoughts.. 👍👌
Nortje moved the rope when he tried to stop the straight drive from Kohli in the 1st over. We should blame Jansen 😂
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About sky's catch there is no way someone can go and move the boundry line unless the ball goes to that line u can see in the whole match in hotstar the only time the ball went that side was in the first over where nortje pushed the boundary far away so it was there from first over it was all fair
U were questioning the SKY catch! I almost subscribed...alas, as Aussies u can't digest our win. I know that :D
jesus mate, settle down you are part of the 90% of comments they are speaking of.
The camera angle from top clearly shows it was a legit catch. It's like Hathi chale bazaar, kutte bhouke hazaar!
@@r.k.shukla8175 camera angle from the top shows that his foot was over the marked white line that signified the boundary line
@@Jaydoggie1that boundary was shifted since the start of the match bruuhhh chill down..... appreciate the catch and appreciate the team
@@Jaydoggie1 And when do you think the rope was shifted you salty man? Nortje crashed into the boundary in the very first over of the match and the rope stayed that way for the next 39 overs. It was the same boundary for both teams for gods sake.
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U guys crossed 300k .. congract ..
Mate studio looks great..👌👍 Make some reaction video of Indias celebration of t20 wc. Or make some public interviews
30m mark - .." power makers & the caterers" 😂 Spontaneous & Hilarious..
Good stuff guys...Always enjoyed your take...Cheers! 🙏
Bumrah is the Bumrah of cricket. Period. No metaphor required.
19.3 Restoring the boundary
If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then
19.3.1 the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position.
So you think its a six?
@@gotofield7108 The interpretation of "original position" in 19.3.1 is the position the boundary was before the ball was bowled. It would be a six if and only if SKY had manually moved the boundary while taking the catch. Restoring the plastic boundaries to previous positions prior to every ball being bowled is not the job of the fielding XI.
@@gotofield7108 I don't have an opinion. This is the relevant law. Does it matter if the boundary is disturbed on the particular delivery in question or if it happened earlier? I don't know.
@@MrLee-gj2jz Do you have a reference for your assertion that it is only the position of the boundary prior to the ball bowled. For me it is unclear. It could also be interpreted as the position of the boundary on the first ball of the match. I noticed on other comments you make that you have an agenda against Australia, England and Pakistan. Why are you full of hate.
@@UmpireStrikesBack These are the MCC rules:
19.1.1 before toss, umpires shall determine boundaries of field of play and which stay the boundaries for the duration of the match.
from 19.1.1, it is the job of the umpires to check before each ball is bowled as to what is the state of the boundary. It is not the job of either SA XI or India XI to maintain sanctity or stationarity of the boundaries.
19.2 The boundary shall be marked by a continuous white line or by an object in contact with the ground
from 19.2, the boundary for the final was a rope through which triangular cushions were affixed upon. There was no white line underneath the rope with triangular advertising cushions. Therefore, the boundary is very clearly the triangular cushions.
19.3 states the conditions on restoring the boundary after it has been disturbed.
The key point is no one ever made the case while the match was in play that the boundary was disturbed. "Disturbed" would imply that the rope was cut or the cushions damaged. Nothing of this sort ever took place. if a fielder slides and moves the ropes or cushions while trying to field the ball, the boundary is reset and the new position becomes the original position. This is the case unless the umpires intervene and rule that the "movement" owing to the fielder indeed constitutes a "disturbance", and resets the position of the boundary. SKY did not alter the boundary position between the time interval between Pandya bowling to Miller and SKY taking the catch. He took the catch cleanly considering the original position of the boundary as it was while the ball was in play in over 19 ball 1.
It seems to be England, Australia, Pakistan, who are butt-hurt by India winning. You need to ask why the English, Aussies, and Pakis harbour this kind of hate towards India. I mean the men in Blue won it without losing a single match. And they were consistently reaching semi-finals and finals of ICC events for the past decade.
Finally, you got 300k subs.
Australia - the paragons of Test cricket. Not playing enough overseas test matches, not playing enough at home against tier 2/3 teams.
Here's a question to ponder upon: Considering that T20 cricket will be a regular feature in the Olympics (hopefully!) for the next decade or so, should cricket boards of countries be investing in creating a team specific for the Olympics - this will ensure that the regular bilateral, franchise leagues keep going on as usual, while another section of Olympians get trained in the T20 format, and whenever there's a bench strength strangle, these Olympians can join the team for other assignments. This can be replicated in the men's and women's game, making sports a lucrative career for millions in the Asia-Pacific and EU/North American markets. I ask this, since I've been informed that being an Olympian needs a separate level of training to take on the pressures of a 4-year patient wait! A further ryder to this question - should we be moving to a multi-team, multi-format approach considering we have a growing number of cricket formats? #AskTGC
37:35 Pezza clearing his throat to drown out the sound of his heartbreaking after hearing what Higgos just said.
The boundary rope / cardboard mini hoardings with lots of ads, are a problem, Sometimes when they shift due to fielder kicking them, they are not placed back in exact position.
They should just use white lines like football next time and use the ball boys or curators to adjust it every time it is moved.
Should make a line or some sort of marker which doesn't move after a player dives or touches it , or employ people who put back the rope in place after a player touches it. Implement this going forward so no more controversies.
Women's T20 Asia Cup and World Cup starts in 5 and 10 mins respectively
Hahaah you reached 300k. Congrats
When you say T20 WC looks like the only way to go now, so were the ODIs. Australia dominated for two decades enormously in that format and it was the biggest thing. But maybe it's just us now who do the same with T20!
Some people claiming the feet of sky touched the cushion from LHS angle. That angle (LHS) is prone to optical illusion.The other angles (RHS) show he was far from the rope and It was green grass which plugged out. The banner on the rope doesn't move at all, the soil (with some grass) does. From LHS, It was merely parallax effect effect btwn the shoe of sky, bottom of cushion and the grass. Clearly some grass comes off which is clear from RHS angle at high quality vedio and that made confusion from LHS angle. The bottom of cushion was vertically aligned and some grass plugged out bcz of friction btwn shoe and the soil and from that it was looked like something at the bottom of cushion vibrated. It's confusion bcz of optical illusions (poor resolution in zoom). The bottom (white border of blue cloth) was still centimetres behind when grass comes off. other angles show he was far from the rope.
Alright, so the official MCC [and ICC] rule for boundaries is : "Section 19.3 states: If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason, then the boundary shall be considered to be in its original position." I got that from an article on Wisden. Clearly, no one bothered to check when the incident happened.
Whether the boundary is disturbed or not has to be adjudicated by the umpires and not the fielding XI. If the umpires allowed play to take place before over 19, then the solid object that marks the boundary in the position at the start of the 19th over is the "original position". if the umpires do not make the call that the boundary is "disturbed", sections 19.3.1 and 19.3.2 do not even need to be invoked.
Well, the solid object that marks the boundary before the first delivery of the game is the "original boundary". Any movement back and forth thereafter is a perturbed boundary. It's a shame really that sometimes umpires don't bother distinguishing - they just take the "original boundary" to be wherever the ropes are [even if perturbed]. We don't really know if the rope near where SKY took that catch was perturbed or not. Maybe the rope was in the exact same position before the match started. But I just thought the umpires could have taken longer to verify that particular piece of information. Let's imagine a scenario where they discover the rope indeed had been shifted sometime after the first ball (of the match) was delivered and invoked 19.3 to rule the catch not out (ie. 6 runs awarded to SA). Would they have been wrong? I would say no because it's within the law. Would it have seemed unfair? Most definitely.
@@_Vish_7 they cannot invoke 19.3 to award 6 runs. 19.3 only specifies what to do if a boundary gets '"disturbed". And very clearly states that the boundary can be repositioned only AFTER the ball is out of play. 19.5.2 is the clause by which 6 runs can be awarded if a fielder is grounded outside the boundary while in contact with the ball.
For 19.5.2 to be applicable, the boundary should have been "disturbed" in a time interval between Pandya starting his bowling stride to Miller in over 19.1 and SKY taking the catch. So the scenario you are describing: where umpires discover boundary disturbances while watching a TV replay to adjudicate a fair catch suddely decide to retrospectively "restore the boundary" and then re-adjusdicate the catch, can never happen.
In bits listening to you reading the Myra Hindley stuff and panicking as you realised the reference. In the UK it seems to happened just about long enough ago that it's just about socially acceptable to make jokes about.
It's going to be hard to watch future T20Is without Kohli, Rohit and Jadeja. Absolute legends of the game.
Bro slotted in jadeja and thought we wouldn't notice
Its gonna be fun. New exciting players
Guess Jaddu slotted himself in, so he doesn't get the flack. @@vats4684
We said the same thing when other players retired as well… the great players come and go.. the game goes on.. 🥲
Not at all, explosive batsman are coming in indian team
Wow, it's the first time I'm seeing a guy in a lavender colored hoodie
27:00 Indian players will never come back in t20i
As an Indian Test Cricket is the most important and entertaining for me. I don't feel T20 is that long term and fans might lose interest in quickly (like I did) but this is only my personal experience. Test and ODI feels much more special. But to build better test teams you need to invest a lot of money in to building whole domestic circuits and training fast bowlers which can be gathered from T20 maybe.
Thank you, i come here to take my moral lessons! I can't tha k you enough
India is the new Australia. They never give up!
It's a parallax effect btwn the spike of sky, the grass and the bottom of the cushion (white line). If you watch full vedio and zoom from both angle it's some grass plugged out and comes off in front of white line of blue cloth (cushion). More clear from RHS angle. You can check it from icc uploaded vedio or hotstar. Some pak and SA fan spread a vedio of 3 sec from LHS angle with in appropriate zoom angle and poor quality vedio. Too make more confusion. That bottom of cushion was 1 or 2 cm behind to touch the shoe. It's grass comes off with some soil. Parallax effect. That's why education is important.
November, 19th - 2023: Unsubscribed and stopped watching TGC.
June, 29th - 2024:
Again a TGC subscriber and watching all your videos on the WORLD CUP!!!
more days passes by more it feels like test is the best
Guys got there subscribers back
Aus actually had a very strong team. Their batting actually let them down. Tim David is an extremely overrated player, in my opinion. Even in the IPL, he has flattered to deceive and underperformed.
Reaction of countries after India wins the world cup -
AUS - We don't care about t20
ENG - scheduling and venues are done for india to win it
NZ - busy in crying over their golden generation end
SA - Hurting after loss
Pak - These fixers amd terrorists always think everything is fixed 🤣🤣🤣🤣 , always crying 😭😭😭
Ban and SL - shame for Asian cricket
Windies and Afghanistan - happy for indian win
Others - wants a series with indian team
South African hating would've been understandable, given they were in finals, but they're totally calm, so are nz. It's england, bangladesh and pakistan which is stirring bs cause of their jealousy and loss against India
@kr079australian media has been salty af. Not complaining as I love salt when it comes from Australia. The only reason Australians don't care about t20 is because they can't win
For me T20 is the future of cricket, but test cricket is the utmost pinnacle of cricket. However, considering the future generation which is primarily influenced by youtube shorts and instagram reels, longer format of cricket will be a niche form of cricket. T20 will be the glamorous form of cricket which will spread the cricket around the world. But true lovers of cricket will always cherish Test format. I am doubtful of the future of one day format in the future and for that reason, I want India to win that format in world cup once before it gets vanished from the world of cricket. Having said that, for me honestly, India topping world test championship is more important than winning any other world cups. That is where I want Rohits, Virats, Bumrahs of India to excel next ❤
Looks like you got the subs back!!
boys you got your 5k subscribers back 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Well boys, at least you make each other laugh. #caterers
The Rope:
It doesn't matter. If the rope was 6" inside SKY would have taken and adjusted accordingly. We are talking about it because there was some difference in grass. If there wasn't we wouldn't have knew. I really don't think 5-6 inches are taken seriously in practical terms. It should be within tolerance limit.
The rule: There is no clear black and white rule on this but whatever rule we have cam be interpreted in both ways. The thing is when you interpret it favouring batting side, it look unfair because when ball was the boundary was there. The fielder see the rope, he can't calculate the distance to a precision of inch.
Interpreting the rule:
If there is a white line then inner edge is boundary. When there are flags the imaginary line joining 2 flag is boundary. If a rope is used its inner edge is boundary.
Now, if boundary gets moved it should be brought back ASAP. If not done before next ball? No rule for that. So, if the rope was moved I assume it must have been brought bat to original position before the ball was bowled by the official responsible. In that case inner edge of the rope before ball was bowled is the boundary.
BTW, these all rule I believe is for the conditions when boundary gets moved while fielding. Like when someone dived. I don't think these rules are for conditions when rope gets slight displaced and it remains there before ball was bowled. So technically there is no rule for this situation.
When sports elect for higher pay days to lower audience coverage. It ends up eroding the fan base and killing the sport. Just ask Australian Rugby.
But there's no official mark on the boundary, There's no officially drawn line on boundry, Whatever you is just a mark by padding, So technically there's no officially drawn Boundry, so padding is the boundary
Happy that TGC got back their 5k subscribers after the final that was lost during Ahmedabad debacle 😂😂 😂
@17:30 boys, it was a Rick Flair impersonation, not a robot.
T20 : Engineering and Finance Industry(etc) :: Test format : Pure Sciences( Physics and Math)
Fabulous podcast 🙏, factual, great critique and assessment.
Waiting for a spoof episode called The Grade Caterers
Hahaha I think you two should start all your episodes like this one, 'India Win'. 100k subscribers added each month mate.