I remember how Reddick was crying about the hostile crowd at the Yankees stadium during playoffs but on the low his whole team was cheating to win games. Smh
I mean, regardless of cheating, you don’t EVER chant about a natural disaster that cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, and you also don’t mock someone’s anxiety either, just the golden rule jackass
@@onlyoncamera0 the victims of hurricane Harvey still shouldn’t have been dragged into insulting Astros players regardless...those victims had nothing to do with the cheating
The Astro players need to shut their mouths unless they are saying "I'm giving my ring back, I didn't deserve it, I apologize to everyone for our actions."
@@ObiWanKenobi But sign stealing isn't the only form of cheating. There was a few teams in the past that did cheat and won. And nobody called for there trophy to be taken back. If you call for one, then you call for all.
I was just rewatching all that stuff and I don’t understand how those Astros players were happy in 2017 after they won..... Like they were cheering like they won a chip legitimately 🤣🤣🤣
@@cdai216 spoken like someone who has never played the game. Lmfao! Knowing the pitch that is coming is absolutely a game changing advantage in baseball. They should be banned for life from the game.
@@Iwantogohome-w6o I don't know... even Trout is calling for it & this is going to get really ugly if it isn't done I'm afraid. Going to be really bad for baseball if the whole season turns into a shitshow & the game looks like a sad joke.
I hope every game theres huge fights and opposing pitchers at every game against them throw at them since these cheating Houston Astricks are cocky AF after all this mess.
Paul Shead i was able to understand it. And a fair assumption would be that they are from Denmark. Find something else to fall back on instead of grammar. By the way, can you repeat that again in Spanish so i can understand? (No offense)
My version of a proper punishment: - Manfred resigns - Take away title (meaning that no one won the 2017 WS) - Melt the rings - Altuve, Correa, Bregman, etc gives up MVP's and other awards (meaning on one wins AL MVP or other awards in 2017) - Alex Cora, Carlos Beltran, and AJ Hinch blackballed - Delay the replay in the dugout by 20 seconds - Routine inspections by officials to make sure that no one is cheating - And finally, the Astros loss their signing bonus they got.
scaligula Well I have talk to tons of Astros fans and they basically have the attitude that we still won the trip so were champions basically excusing all the cheating
@@mckoolaid1567 you're in the minority online. Its great to hear from real Astros fans. I knew they had to be out there. I'd be so ashamed and pissed at my team.
I heard that yesterday and it really put things in perspective. All of those who say that there's no way to know if they actually benefited from the sign stealing are either lying or in complete denial. Take the trophy and the rings, and post it as: "VACATED-THE ASTROS WON BY CHEATING".
That is a big fat lie. No hitter is that good even if he knows what is coming unless Kershaw has a real lousy curve and slider which I know he doesn't.
@@genebull3837 Uh ....Gene.....it proves they knew when the deuce was coming and therefore they DID NOT SWING choosing to wait for the far straighter fastball.... the entire beef is that they knew the pitches coming ... 51 pitches he threw were all documented by MLB ...its factual.
Take down every pennant for every accomplishment they achieved 2017 thru 2019. Fine every player for the amounts they won in the playoffs. Give back the piece of metal.
If the MLB actually wants to protect the Astros, they need to vacate the championship. Otherwise it is going to be high and inside pitches all season plus players will be sliding into the defense especially Altuve.
Vacate the championship. That will send a message to the rest of the league. The current message is if you cheat, only the manager gets fired and you get to keep the championships you didn't earn.
@@Reciprocitus Be upset with their dumb, UNNEEDED CHOICES, but back them and rally around them like a caring family member! When they win...it will be a lesson that will show others you do not need to circumvent rules and not have confidence in your talents. Then everyone can hold their heads up again.
Cheat on the casinos. Then just tell them it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Tell them to just move on when you ve cashed out. Yeah right, try that sometime.
well, im no astros fan but....no one can say if they wouldve won or lossed without cheating....people think its just a given the yankees wouldve won when the fact is its baseball, a single inning can result in 25 runs
@1:58 When Marcus Spears said “you’re going to jail” I can’t be the only one who instinctively thought he would follow with “do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars”
Pfft the Patriots spy gate was nothing. I don't even think they took notes that can possibly help them win the game either. Video footage just isn't enough. There's gotta be more evidence.
@ the difference is the ppl who actually know the game not casuals like you know that the Pat's didnt get in trouble for taping. Thy got in trouble because of the location. Everyone tapes
Manfred is putting the Astros players in danger. Take away the trophy, rings. Banned from playoff contention for the next 5 years. More road games than home games. Pretty simple. Get it done you coward!
And face months and months of grievances filed by the players union. Will he work or sort those grievances out during that time? You have to think long term mate.
Tater Tot it’s every 3 years. It rotates it’s not like NBA were games are specifically scheduled to be premier games. MLB schedules are made years in advance. They may play each other, I’m not sure we’re they are in the rotation.
Mlb hasn't even finished their investigation yet for the sox right now it's just rumors no actual proof wait for the proof and if it comes out that they did then you can talk about it
I love Marcus Spears. He’s the same way I am. I always tell my brother and sister whenever I know they’re lying or I know they stole something the same thing. I just shake my head and tell them to hone their craft
I've never been one to argue on behalf of Pete Rose even though I like him and loved him as a player, fact is mlb can't tolerate gambling, but Ol' Pete is an angel compared to this. Betting on your team to win vs. cheating at a massive systematic level. I mean, come on now
Rajae Jones Look I hate the patriots and I agree that their first three sb aren’t exactly legitimate because they were watching the practices but this was actually put into the game during the game all those other circumstances are not as bad as this is. I guess I can understand people rooting for the patriots because they didn’t cheat like the Astros .
Jeffrey Levy I mean I agree with you but most of the Astro vans are out defending the Astros like their title so they’re not gonna have anything like that happen
Jeffrey Levy I know and they should and truthfully I am disappointed that Astro players are acting the way they are acting they are setting an example of what not to do when you get caught cheating and the fans are encouraging them it’s disgusting
@@ravi8490 yeah, but lets see Sam and Allen year 3... still unsure of them both. Both our seasons hangs on the QB play next season. Never underestimate how Mia NYJ and the Bills can make a fool of themselves.
@ The Patriots never got real time information on what play was being run by the opposition, like being told when a defense is blitzing or when the offense is going to run a draw play or a crossing pattern. That would have been equivalent to the Astros' cheating.
I agree with taking away things from the Astros, the problem is that a lot of people will wonder why things weren't taken away from past players: Bonds' 4 consecutive MVPs, the 1919 world series, the homerun titles. Regardless, i think they should start now
The commissioner should not have immediately offered immunity to the players. He was not trying to get to the truth for the sake of justice, but for the sake of expediency. He wanted to sweep the controversy under the rug as soon as possible. If the commissioner had initially encountered resistance from the Astros players, he should have let them each know that not cooperating would bring the hammer down on them if he found them to be culpable. He should have given them dvds of the movie, “Eight Men Out.” He should have told them he would contact the Fiers and would find other cooperating witnesses. Do you think Verlander was going to sully his Hall of Fame career to provide cover for Carlos Beltran and Alex Cora? Not in this lifetime. Manfred should also have told the Astros that he would be hiring a former federal prosecutor to do the investigating. But Manfred wasn’t interested in justice for the league, the other owners, the other players or the fans of the game. He was interested in expediency and sweeping this under the rug. He is as culpable, not incompetent, as the Astros (and Red Sox) in this whole controversy.
The Astro’s have shown absolutely no class, humility or respect after getting caught cheating. It’s laughable that these players are telling people that they didn’t do anything wrong, that everyone should get over it, etc. What a bunch of lowlife, classless cheaters.
As a non baseball fan, I would take away the remainder of the players salary who cheated and take the amount of money the Astros made and ban them from the playoffs
Gerardo Govea right stupid people imagine when other players start to snitch on there teams/ former teams then baseball won’t be baseball plus Astros went to game 7 could have been anybody’s game
Not only does winning a championship cause the team itself to gain revenue, via jersey sales, shirts, hats and anything that says “champs” on it, but it also brings thousands to the city where they are from, its sickening.
If this was hockey, every teAm they play will empty their bench to do some good ol fisticuffs. 5 min major or suspension is all good for these players. Offending team will eventually run out of players due to suspensions. LoL
Houston professional team owners and GM’s have been taking a lot of heat for the last couple years now with... 1. Bob McNair comment about “inmates” 2. Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey tweet about Hong Kong 3. Now Aj Hinch and Jeft Luhnow for sign stealing It kinda sucks to live in this city but kinda glad I never rooted these teams.
Asking people to move on is 1. Not how it works people move on at their own pace. You wouldn't tell someone to get over someone dying or something. 2. Just shows how the Astros players fundamentally lack the understanding of what they did and how upset people are.
what's really sad about this and I haven't seen mentioned by anyone at all is they did this the year Texas was hit by the hurricane. winning the ring gave the fans something to be happy about. it took their minds off of reality and the attitude displayed by guys like Reddick is a slap in the face to the people who spend the money on tickets. yup like I said it's just sad.
I’ve got an idea. If the Astros say that knowing the pitch doesn’t help; allow all teams they are playing this year to video all their pitches during a game!
In Australia, a team cheated for 5 years straight. The governing body of the sport took their 2 titles away from them that they "earned" in that time. They also took away all wins from the season they were currently in. The world series title for the Astros should be taken off them
Cheaters getting arrogant? Why not. The mlb gave them immunity then let them keep their title Their money. Their rings. AFTER they admitted cheating. Of course they are arrogant
It's not surprising that the Astros have taken this stance. They have been enabled by the commissioner. If some of them received year long or indefinite suspensions along with being stripped of their title we would see a more humble and remorseful attitude.
I used to rate McCullers too smfh. They should give the Chip back and be required to pay a yearly fine to every MLB team and the MLB too for the next 3 years.
The Commish's BIG MISTAKE was not vacating the 2017 Title. Allowing the Houston ASStros to keep the World Championship and the hardware that goes with it is CRIMINAL.
So very appropriate. 2 former basketball players and a former pro footballer analyzing a current, very important baseball story. # ESPN hates Baseball.
There is not a single person outside of the Astros and their fans that don't believe the title should be vacated.. They will always be the cheaters to me. The player's attitude has been despicable..
The commissioner could have done BOTH (give the players immunity for their testimony AND vacated the 2017 championship), but did not have the courage (and/or foresight) to make the right call. The bottom line here is...he blew it.
It’s funny how the offenders are usually the first ones telling their victims you have to learn to move on.
Man, that's cause they moved on before they even started 😂
.yeah...move...Move right about here so i can kick you in the face cheater.
AnotherSKYWALKR We have to move on dude. 🙏
Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking they didn't earn it
Yeah ... sounds like the American way🤷🏾♂️
Josh Reddick: Everyone shut up while I hit .230
Wyatt Webb his quote is definitely going to make pitchers not try to hit him lol
Lmao
😂😂😂
Hilarious
This idiot should be ashamed for not apologize for cheating, because he got his Bangs just like Altuve did and their teammates
The Astros don't have the right or authority to decide when we "move on".
Dem H78 true that Astros trying to fire back do me a favor bann the players all of them
Vacate the title asap!
Your acting like your girl broke up with you or something over this y’all weirdos 😂😂🗣🗣
Nor does the public who demands apologies, then are not satisfied with the apologies given.
PREACH
I remember how Reddick was crying about the hostile crowd at the Yankees stadium during playoffs but on the low his whole team was cheating to win games. Smh
da8wonder probably was trying to hear illegal signs
I mean, regardless of cheating, you don’t EVER chant about a natural disaster that cost thousands upon thousands of people their lives, and you also don’t mock someone’s anxiety either, just the golden rule jackass
If he thought the crowd was hostile then, wait til this season. He might start crying.
Chase Hansen you also don’t cheat but that rule got broken 🥴
@@onlyoncamera0 the victims of hurricane Harvey still shouldn’t have been dragged into insulting Astros players regardless...those victims had nothing to do with the cheating
The Astro players need to shut their mouths unless they are saying "I'm giving my ring back, I didn't deserve it, I apologize to everyone for our actions."
Jeremy Askins sign stealing is fair if you do it legitimately through playing the game. Not through watching a live feed from the outfield
@@ObiWanKenobi But sign stealing isn't the only form of cheating. There was a few teams in the past that did cheat and won. And nobody called for there trophy to be taken back. If you call for one, then you call for all.
scotty C there’s only evidence of the Astros doing it. Until Boston gets their own investigation and result, then they are in the clear
If you cheat in college you usually get expelled
This not college nothing but fake rage
And if you pay players you get your rings and banners taken away...
54hman and if you cheat on your wife she gets half your stuff
I remember being so mentally exhausted after every World Series game as a Dodgers fan in 2017. I’m not moving on, Dodgers were the better team.
no they weren't
@@demontraywilliamson2582 yes they were lol can't even deny that unless your trolling
@@Talkinsports91 Who had Home-Field for the 2017 world series
Yeah Astros would of not even made it out of the American League and then the Yankees would of spanked the Dodgers. Sucks.
@@demontraywilliamson2582 one team cheated & the other didn't so just stop right now
I was just rewatching all that stuff and I don’t understand how those Astros players were happy in 2017 after they won..... Like they were cheering like they won a chip legitimately 🤣🤣🤣
JTrillZ BooFed kinda like the pats lmao. Knowing signs or plays doesn’t equal wins. Your team still has to be extremely talented.
Julio go cry about it
They're scumbags with 0 integrity and so are the fans that defend them.
@@cdai216 spoken like someone who has never played the game. Lmfao! Knowing the pitch that is coming is absolutely a game changing advantage in baseball. They should be banned for life from the game.
@@cubsfantrey3 the fans that defend them are Legal MORONS. The Astros fans are the ones who should be pissed off the most of all baseball fans.
MLB commissioner needs to resign IMMEDIATELY. he will not realize his mistake until Altuve catches a 100mph fastball to the face.
Gibran Leon i wanna see that
@@rctsan808 lol chill. They deserved to be punished but not by suffering permanent brain damage
@@jonathanwoods7643 I don't support him taking one to the face but if he takes one to the helmet I'm okay
Ryan Tsang that can still injure or kill him, helmets are not indestructible.
Ryan Tsang the pitches batters usually get hit with are going 70 or 80 mph tops.
Melt the rings, turn in the trophy, fine the players.
Instead of melting the rings, MLB should string them all together and hang them in a display case in Cooperstown.
I'd like all the players banned for life
Can't do anything to the players now but can & must vacate the title & take the pennant + trophy asap!
@@JustMeELC not going to happen
@@Iwantogohome-w6o
I don't know... even Trout is calling for it & this is going to get really ugly if it isn't done I'm afraid. Going to be really bad for baseball if the whole season turns into a shitshow & the game looks like a sad joke.
Marcus Spears analogy is spot on. When a thief gets caught, we recover the merchandise and prosecute.
But the standard was set along time ago. If it wasn't done back in the day, it's not going to be done now.
@@scottyc1093 a new standard can be implemented at any time.
Exactly…Jalen had a look of “why didn’t I think of that?” When he smiled in response
I hope every game theres huge fights and opposing pitchers at every game against them throw at them since these cheating Houston Astricks are cocky AF after all this mess.
Wait until they go to NY... Not gonna be good 😂
@@Pikkon-17 🤣💯💯💯I can't wait I hope everyone goes off in them in any way possible.
@@Pikkon-17 they coming to citifield too
@@asiaroberson3442 I know that's why I said NY
Lmao ok and get y’all players suspended, fine by me
"That was like thee years ago a**hole"
"People don't forget"
Justin Solly look the consequences now 3 years later fans families are loosing their jobs reputation I just don’t wna be Astros fan right now
Yea you win a chip then decide to stop cheating yea ok
"Superbad"
Superbad!
McLovin!
Can we all agree to simply refer to them as the Houston Astrics
gmesser83 no because you need to learn how to spell it correctly first
I love it
Houston patriots
Sorry Houston asterisk
Yu Darvish got released by the Dodgers behind this!
I felt sorry for him too being a Rangers Fan.
I think you'll find game 7 was played in LA!!!!!
@@paulshead4542 what about the other games.....Dont come out here riding the Astros crotches. They gettin beaned everywhere they touch down
@@denmarkvessey240 grateful if you could repeat that in English please... (no offence)..
Paul Shead i was able to understand it. And a fair assumption would be that they are from Denmark. Find something else to fall back on instead of grammar. By the way, can you repeat that again in Spanish so i can understand? (No offense)
Waiting to hear Ja Rules take so I can make sense of all this!
Old School Gamer 💀
WHERE IS JA
Lol 😆 classic
I don’t want to dance! We need answers Ja Rule might not have right now!
Old School Gamer LMFAOOO
My version of a proper punishment:
- Manfred resigns
- Take away title (meaning that no one won the 2017 WS)
- Melt the rings
- Altuve, Correa, Bregman, etc gives up MVP's and other awards (meaning on one wins AL MVP or other awards in 2017)
- Alex Cora, Carlos Beltran, and AJ Hinch blackballed
- Delay the replay in the dugout by 20 seconds
- Routine inspections by officials to make sure that no one is cheating
- And finally, the Astros loss their signing bonus they got.
One of the rings should have been put in the MLB museum to acknowledge the scandal occurred for historical purposes
Nothing like the impact that they will face from the fans........I guarantee they will give an expletive.
scaligula Well I have talk to tons of Astros fans and they basically have the attitude that we still won the trip so were champions basically excusing all the cheating
I'm a Astros fan I'm so confused about why they cheated and so angry at them
@@mckoolaid1567 you're in the minority online. Its great to hear from real Astros fans. I knew they had to be out there. I'd be so ashamed and pissed at my team.
@@mckoolaid1567 a true baseball fan. If I was an Astro's fan, I'd be more pissed than anyone.
Manfred has to vacate that title h take the trophy & pennant or this gets so much worse!
The Astros mantra....."we won unfair & square!"
In game 5 of the '17 World Series Clayton Kershaw threw 51 offspeed pitches( curve's and sliders) ....Houston swung and missed "0" of them.
I heard that yesterday and it really put things in perspective. All of those who say that there's no way to know if they actually benefited from the sign stealing are either lying or in complete denial. Take the trophy and the rings, and post it as: "VACATED-THE ASTROS WON BY CHEATING".
That is a big fat lie. No hitter is that good even if he knows what is coming unless Kershaw has a real lousy curve and slider which I know he doesn't.
@@genebull3837 Uh ....Gene.....it proves they knew when the deuce was coming and therefore they DID NOT SWING choosing to wait for the far straighter fastball.... the entire beef is that they knew the pitches coming ... 51 pitches he threw were all documented by MLB ...its factual.
Take down every pennant for every accomplishment they achieved 2017 thru 2019. Fine every player for the amounts they won in the playoffs. Give back the piece of metal.
Commissioner failed...so now the players will handle it on the field. I expect sum good brawls this year.
clint warner and I can’t wait. This might lead to big ratings for baseball games, especially when the Astros by the road against LA and New York c
espn will be all over this. all of the yankees astros games should be televised.
If the MLB actually wants to protect the Astros, they need to vacate the championship. Otherwise it is going to be high and inside pitches all season plus players will be sliding into the defense especially Altuve.
Ryan Seward exactly!!! 👍🏼
They cheated and won and nothing happened... great
Just remember that if the league won't do $*** the players will
The players "might" but the FANS "WILL".
@@deweyoxburger2963 I like that!
Or you could say other players would cheat knowing there isn’t any consequences
@@houseofallguardsdatway5001 I think other teams are already doing that, the Astros were just the best cheaters
@@xavzerrek2743 obviously they were the worst cheaters if "everybody does it" and we only know about the astros, genius.
Long time Dodgers fan since 85' and I'm so happy ESPN is talking baseball ( my favorite sport) unfortunately it's for something negative.
@@SouthWestAliefTexas Yep...thank you Houston Assholes your WS title means nothing.
@@SouthWestAliefTexas somebody missed nap time and needs a diaper change.
@@anthonycincotta38 Actually he's not the one crying. Js
Vacate the championship. That will send a message to the rest of the league.
The current message is if you cheat, only the manager gets fired and you get to keep the championships you didn't earn.
Y would the guilty party be telling the victims to move on? Is he delusional? This is an absolute farce!!! The stros are a joke!
Imagine being an Astros fan right now 😂
It ain't too fun right now, i'll tell ya that. 😭
They are actually very cocky too right now and claim they still earned there championship. Smh
Some season holders are suing the Astros already lol
Most of them seem to think that they would have still won because "we had a good team"
Nope. If that was the case they wouldn't have had to cheat.
@@Reciprocitus Be upset with their dumb, UNNEEDED CHOICES, but back them and rally around them like a caring family member! When they win...it will be a lesson that will show others you do not need to circumvent rules and not have confidence in your talents. Then everyone can hold their heads up again.
Cheat on the casinos.
Then just tell them it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Tell them to just move on when you ve cashed out.
Yeah right, try that sometime.
well, im no astros fan but....no one can say if they wouldve won or lossed without cheating....people think its just a given the yankees wouldve won when the fact is its baseball, a single inning can result in 25 runs
@1:58 When Marcus Spears said “you’re going to jail” I can’t be the only one who instinctively thought he would follow with “do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars”
His analogy is spot on though
Hope he lost all respect for the patriots for spy gate. Lets keep that same energy
Pfft the Patriots spy gate was nothing. I don't even think they took notes that can possibly help them win the game either. Video footage just isn't enough. There's gotta be more evidence.
Not even comparable
@ the difference is the ppl who actually know the game not casuals like you know that the Pat's didnt get in trouble for taping. Thy got in trouble because of the location. Everyone tapes
McCullers forgot that Clevinger was the first one to speak out🤣🤣
Clevinger was hilarious.
Manfred is putting the Astros players in danger. Take away the trophy, rings. Banned from playoff contention for the next 5 years. More road games than home games. Pretty simple. Get it done you coward!
And face months and months of grievances filed by the players union.
Will he work or sort those grievances out during that time?
You have to think long term mate.
THANK YOU JALEN FOR SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. FINALLY👏👏👏🙏
Typical ESPN. 2 ex NBA players and 1 ex NFL player talking about baseball.
Everyone seems to forget the Patriots were caught cheating multiple times during multiple seasons. Nobody took their Trophy and rings back..
That doesn’t make the patriots lack of punishment okay
I like how they are the ones who cheated yet they are acting like everyone is against them
You can almost 100% gaureente that Dodgers/Astros will be on the interleague schedule next yr lol
Tater Tot it’s every 3 years. It rotates it’s not like NBA were games are specifically scheduled to be premier games. MLB schedules are made years in advance. They may play each other, I’m not sure we’re they are in the rotation.
I’m gonna say this as a person who played baseball if I was playing for a championship and the other team cheated To win I would be pretty pissed off
Take the 2017 🏆 back and altuves MVP 💯
Astros: Move along now, there’s nothing to dwell over here.
Nobody:
This is one of the best discussions on this topic. Thanks for saying Sox too!
Let's just stay on Astros
Mlb hasn't even finished their investigation yet for the sox right now it's just rumors no actual proof wait for the proof and if it comes out that they did then you can talk about it
Just another reason why Baseball is becoming less popular than the NBA and the NFL.
Baseball has always been less popular than the NBA and NFL. Lol baseball is only relevant when a scandal happens.
And the NHL soon
I love Marcus Spears. He’s the same way I am. I always tell my brother and sister whenever I know they’re lying or I know they stole something the same thing. I just shake my head and tell them to hone their craft
L.A. DODGERS 💪💪👊👊
I've never been one to argue on behalf of Pete Rose even though I like him and loved him as a player, fact is mlb can't tolerate gambling, but Ol' Pete is an angel compared to this. Betting on your team to win vs. cheating at a massive systematic level. I mean, come on now
Imma cardinals fan I. Don’t really care but don’t y’all praise the pats and they are proven cheaters themselves🧐🧐🧐
BIG FACTS
Rajae Jones hmmmmmmmmmm
Rajae Jones Look I hate the patriots and I agree that their first three sb aren’t exactly legitimate because they were watching the practices but this was actually put into the game during the game all those other circumstances are not as bad as this is. I guess I can understand people rooting for the patriots because they didn’t cheat like the Astros .
Lol
Rajae Jones big facts. Everyone just wants to be a part of the media pile on
How about fans boycott all Astros games, home and away? Send the MLB a message.
Jeffrey Levy I mean I agree with you but most of the Astro vans are out defending the Astros like their title so they’re not gonna have anything like that happen
Jeffrey Levy not that big of a deal lol
@@DuckFanDane Good point. That leaves all the rest of us to send a message to all the owners. We don't want to pay to see any team play the Astros.
Jeffrey Levy I know and they should and truthfully I am disappointed that Astro players are acting the way they are acting they are setting an example of what not to do when you get caught cheating and the fans are encouraging them it’s disgusting
C Dai If no one went to baseball games for one week of spring training it would be a huge deal
Well they are the Patriots of the MLB.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a Jets fan so I despise the Patriots but I think this is much worse than anything Pats did
@@ravi8490 it's a joke, I'm a Bills and f***'em. Hey no mono next year.
I expect a good game with y'all. I say we split it 1w each
@@OutsideLookingInSports haha we'll see man, Bills have a really tough defense, we need more playmakers.
@@ravi8490 yeah, but lets see Sam and Allen year 3... still unsure of them both. Both our seasons hangs on the QB play next season. Never underestimate how Mia NYJ and the Bills can make a fool of themselves.
@ The Patriots never got real time information on what play was being run by the opposition, like being told when a defense is blitzing or when the offense is going to run a draw play or a crossing pattern. That would have been equivalent to the Astros' cheating.
Astros pulled a patriots
I agree with taking away things from the Astros, the problem is that a lot of people will wonder why things weren't taken away from past players: Bonds' 4 consecutive MVPs, the 1919 world series, the homerun titles.
Regardless, i think they should start now
This is equivalent to playing a team in football and know what play they are running on offense
David Barnes NEW ENGLAND *cough* *cough*
The commissioner should not have immediately offered immunity to the players. He was not trying to get to the truth for the sake of justice, but for the sake of expediency. He wanted to sweep the controversy under the rug as soon as possible.
If the commissioner had initially encountered resistance from the Astros players, he should have let them each know that not cooperating would bring the hammer down on them if he found them to be culpable. He should have given them dvds of the movie, “Eight Men Out.” He should have told them he would contact the Fiers and would find other cooperating witnesses.
Do you think Verlander was going to sully his Hall of Fame career to provide cover for Carlos Beltran and Alex Cora? Not in this lifetime.
Manfred should also have told the Astros that he would be hiring a former federal prosecutor to do the investigating.
But Manfred wasn’t interested in justice for the league, the other owners, the other players or the fans of the game. He was interested in expediency and sweeping this under the rug. He is as culpable, not incompetent, as the Astros (and Red Sox) in this whole controversy.
Jorge Johnson well said
Garrett cole has said nothing meanwhile he was part of the cheating scandal as well
Alan Connelly meanwhile in LA, I’ve yet to read about anybody asking mookie and David about 2018......
There is so much more to this than what these guys know. Watch rich eisen’s interview with the baseball reporter to understand the full situation.
They’re my favorite baseball team now!! I forgot all about that sport until this scandal!!
It's only a piece of metal so I'm not watching MLB ever again until the Astros are stripped and the commissioner is gone
Baseball had a judge as a commissioner before. Black Sox anyone?
The Astro’s have shown absolutely no class, humility or respect after getting caught cheating. It’s laughable that these players are telling people that they didn’t do anything wrong, that everyone should get over it, etc. What a bunch of lowlife, classless cheaters.
As a non baseball fan, I would take away the remainder of the players salary who cheated and take the amount of money the Astros made and ban them from the playoffs
I would do this for any other sport too. There’s gotta be huge consequences or teams would just keep cheating.
can someone explain what they did?
The Houston Asterisks should have been suspended for a year and their title stripped. MLB just proved that cheaters prosper.
At least suspended for the postseason along with having their title stripped
Well said Jalen!!!
I just love how everyone says the got caught which isn't the case. They got snitched on.
Gerardo Govea right stupid people imagine when other players start to snitch on there teams/ former teams then baseball won’t be baseball plus Astros went to game 7 could have been anybody’s game
By a disgruntled former teammate of all people. 2 years later. And he won't return his ring or his paycheck.
Not only does winning a championship cause the team itself to gain revenue, via jersey sales, shirts, hats and anything that says “champs” on it, but it also brings thousands to the city where they are from, its sickening.
Thank You Jalen!
Rivals that? What the astros did was far worse
It’s probably one of the worst cheating scandals in sports history
Lol ok. Baseball in general is built on cheating. But Astros is not worst cheating scandal in all sports. Lol
If this was hockey, every teAm they play will empty their bench to do some good ol fisticuffs.
5 min major or suspension is all good for these players. Offending team will eventually run out of players due to suspensions. LoL
Altuve “Most Valuable Pipsqueak”
The Houston Asterisks need to forfeit the title...PERIOD!
Bruh all teams are guilty of this. I remember learning and stealing signs in middle school.
Houston professional team owners and GM’s have been taking a lot of heat for the last couple years now with...
1. Bob McNair comment about “inmates”
2. Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey tweet about Hong Kong
3. Now Aj Hinch and Jeft Luhnow for sign stealing
It kinda sucks to live in this city but kinda glad I never rooted these teams.
Asking people to move on is 1. Not how it works people move on at their own pace. You wouldn't tell someone to get over someone dying or something. 2. Just shows how the Astros players fundamentally lack the understanding of what they did and how upset people are.
what's really sad about this and I haven't seen mentioned by anyone at all is they did this the year Texas was hit by the hurricane. winning the ring gave the fans something to be happy about. it took their minds off of reality and the attitude displayed by guys like Reddick is a slap in the face to the people who spend the money on tickets. yup like I said it's just sad.
Big talk from a bunch of cheaters
Ron Manfred lost all credibility
Explain what the 2017 Astros had a better offensive rating on the road than at home please?
RL OnEarth Check the playoffs split instead of just referring to the regular season where they weren’t using it every game.
I didn’t know the RS investigation is out.
Jalen C'mon man..lets not forget about the Michigan scandal..so don't be so quick to judge..
Jalen's blazer 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’ve got an idea. If the Astros say that knowing the pitch doesn’t help; allow all teams they are playing this year to video all their pitches during a game!
It’s funny how the Asterisks slogan is ‘Take It Back’
In Australia, a team cheated for 5 years straight. The governing body of the sport took their 2 titles away from them that they "earned" in that time. They also took away all wins from the season they were currently in. The world series title for the Astros should be taken off them
I'm not moving on from this till Justice is done.
No Banner.
No money.
No trophy.
No respect.
No MVP.
They didn't steal, they cheated. Not the same legally.
They stole "that piece of metal" their cheating led to them stealing a world series.. twice
@@upstateizzy744 they cheated yes, but the MLB handed it over.
Cheaters getting arrogant? Why not. The mlb gave them immunity then let them keep their title Their money. Their rings. AFTER they admitted cheating. Of course they are arrogant
It's not surprising that the Astros have taken this stance. They have been enabled by the commissioner. If some of them received year long or indefinite suspensions along with being stripped of their title we would see a more humble and remorseful attitude.
I know I'm late to the party, but.. What about Marwin Gonzalez, etal.. Do we throw at him (others that left)? Thanks 😁
The asterisks are really asking for 90 MPH fastballs to their heads.
I used to rate McCullers too smfh. They should give the Chip back and be required to pay a yearly fine to every MLB team and the MLB too for the next 3 years.
The Commish's BIG MISTAKE was not vacating the 2017 Title. Allowing the Houston ASStros to keep the World Championship and the hardware that goes with it is CRIMINAL.
So very appropriate.
2 former basketball players and a former pro footballer analyzing a current, very important baseball story.
# ESPN hates Baseball.
Manfred is a weak commissioner, Manfred needs to go.
What would bud Selig do
@@jessejames8774 probably the same thing. He no different
It’s other teams fault for not coming up with a more secure way of choosing pitches.
There is not a single person outside of the Astros and their fans that don't believe the title should be vacated.. They will always be the cheaters to me. The player's attitude has been despicable..
They’re talking about baseball more now than they have in the past five years combined
The commissioner could have done BOTH (give the players immunity for their testimony AND vacated the 2017 championship), but did not have the courage (and/or foresight) to make the right call. The bottom line here is...he blew it.
Well said Jalen & the rest of you !! Well said !!
Live in LA and not even mad 😂 won bets both in 2017 and 2018
Media is driving this