I hope I don't ever have an issue with my Schwintek system, but if I do, I will return to your videos for guidance. Many many thanks, Darren, for providing such an excellent resource for us RV DIY'ers.... Bob in Grand Rapids, MI
What a timely publication date! For the past several days I've been sharing my thoughts about lubricating the Schwintek system with our Lance Owners of America forum. It's not so easy typing the descriptions with all the parts to name and describe. I saw this video release and shared immediately. Excellent descriptions and examples. Thanks!
Worked on this problem a few days ago. Closing the slide-out worked until the last 2-inches when the forward motor stopped while the rear motor sped up for 1-2 seconds until fully seated. No fault code on the controller, and my Coddiewample tester extended and retracted the slide-out fully and met the 50% compression of the bulb seals. Disconnected shore power and operated slide-out via controller while measuring voltage drop, cycled three times and voltage drop was less than 1VDC each cycle. Inspected motor and collet, spur gears and V-wheels. Applied PTFE, operated slide-out, and synchronized motors. Slide-out bulb seals compressed to 50% standard. Success? Your video makes me wonder if the bottom shoe is failing. Thanks for posting Darren. BTW, I left the dealership and am now full-time. Semper Fi.
Great video and information! Thank you for taking the time to create this video and pass it on to the rest of us. I now have a better understanding and education on how to work on and maintenance my own RV with the schwintek slides. Thank you very much Darren!
After having watched HOURS of your videos, I was able to remove and replace both my Schwintek slides. I had this same EXACT issue which caused my slide to STUCK in the open position so I couldn't even take it to repair facility. I ordered completely new slide system from Lippert ($1500 CDN for both sides). Lippert sent the wrong H column the first time (67 inches instead of 68 inches between each rack) I also had Lippert send me a dozen new SPARE shoes. I just want to let you that I have been lubricating CRC lubricant. It does work much better BUT however, I will tell you that the lubricant does cause the foam pads on each side of the shoe to come off as the lubricant must dissolve the glue holding the foam on the plastic shoe. After opening and closing my completely brand NEW Schwintek slide several times, the little foam ends will come off and stay in the groove which can now cause a possible jam IF it is not removed. I would advise and suggest removing those foam ends BEFORE reassembling your rack and H column.
You just convince me that experience with these units have more value than a bunch of book learning 😊 but it’s no my problem anymore I sold my MH with this system just because it was a headache I didn’t want to deal with plus I wasn’t using my coach due to mobility issues which was the primary reason. 😊
Darrin I Really appreciate your knowledgeable instructions,,THANK YOU? guys that repair for a job get burnt out and the caring goes with that,,thanks for keeping the love and knowledge of sharing your expertise.
What an excellent description of where to lube and why!… I’ve been using the Teflon spray in the slot but not the block… this is a superb preventative video. Thank you for your skill and selflessness… very much appreciated!
I would agree on lubrication, it makes a night and day difference with mechanical forces and mating part wear. The manufacturer has lots and lots of experience working with brand new parts that have never seen sun or dirt. This experience has little to do with older RVs,... dirty, misaligned worn parts have no place in the factory. I always smile when I contact a company to ask about parts and they act really surprised with the fact that something has failed, like they couldn't project years of real world use and environmental exposure upon their beautiful design. I wonder what the company thinks is the downside to using lubrication? Debris accumulation? Just remember LEDs are so reliable you'll never really live long enough to need to replace them, well, except, ... that is BS. Keep up the great videos, very informative.
I bought my camper used and the slide was pretty slow. I lubricated it using the CRC lubricant following a lippert video I found on RUclips and it worked much better. Since then I've lubricated it every few months and haven't had any issues.
Excellent video Darren. We have a 2022 Winnebago Minnie that came with a Lippert/Schwintek Inverted rack system on the slide. Kept it lubed per your recommendations from day 1 as well as supporting the slide when retracted/traveling etc. The drive gear began skipping late last season. The manufacture date missed the posted TSB date by 2 weeks! I called Lippert. They have subsequently increased the manufacturing date window on the TSB. Lippert replaced the entire inverted system with a new standard rack system. All on their dime. The standard system is smoother and much quieter than the inverted system ever was... Keep up the great work!
If you're asking me, I don't know. I had a shop do the replacement for me. It goes by the date on the slide not the date of the trailer. And I understand that they have enlarged the window of dates they will except.
You do bring up a Great observation on lubrication.... Schwintek uses two or more metals that come in contact with each other. There has to be a lube to help prevent the metals from negatively reacting with each other. (Example, aluminum wire in a Breaker panel on a house main or sub, panel. ) without that barrier There would be heat build up leading to potential fire. I was a fire truck mechanic for several years and we had anode rods, graphite coated rope seals, brass, steel, ECT all having to work with each other so neither would wear each other prematurely. (remember to clean and use correct lubricant often, clean before adding new lubricant is the best.
Great suggestion based on in the trenches experience! First rate explanation. I always enjoy coming out to do inspections in your neck of the woods on the Peninsula -- wife says I get to go on a cruise (Ferry).
Great refresher on the schwinteck. I used your previous RUclipss to do a complete replacement a little over a year ago. My schwinteck was completely wore out. The blocks, drive shafts, tracks everything. The slide is starting to show signs and sounds of excessive wear again. Is it possible for a slide to just be too deep and too heavy. My slide holds the bed (heavy 12” foam mattress) and separate washer and dryer? I have seen some schwinteck double track on top of full side slides on motor homes. So I’m puzzled. Thanks.
I just ordered the lube you recommended. Thanks. I noticed that the installers didn’t follow the pilots holes on the track. Any ideas why’s?? Asking for a friend.
I have a similar problem on one of my Schwintek slides. Top of the trailing end of the slide sticks out at the top of the outside when closed and sticks out at the bottom on the inside when open. Been that way for a couple years. I never knew what the problem was until now. I thought it was just out of sync. I'll fix it (or pay someone to fix it) if it gets worse. Will get some CRC with PTFE though. Yeah, my Lippert manual says no lube on this slide.
Great explanation! I have a basic question, in this video I don’t see any supporting of the slide when you removed the track and h channel. Is it not necessary to support the slide?
Good job I just have one question Darrin why on Gods green earth wouldn't you go ask the customer to turn off the sprinklers while you were working. Lol🤣
@riseup3117: Got to pull those big lips outta the way to take care of business...practice with one hand holding and the other applying lube. Just like so many other things, it gets easier with practice!!
Sorry I would have put a bucket over that sprinkler but I guess it cost the customer more because of the time spent moving away and back and away and back lol😊
If those gibs are supposed to allow for some movement, why are my blocks riveted to the H column with black tipped rivets? One rivet is broken on 2 different blocks. It seems this is counterintuitive to the allowing for motion?
Is there is a cheaper source to get a few new shoes?!?! Im seeing about $200 for these little plastic shoes from Lippert.... its very painful to imagine paying that much for these
Thank you for the comment. What was the nature of your call? We direct everybody to a service request form where we gather the information from them. Did you fill out a service request? Otherwise, we're not going to return every call that comes into our business. It's just not productive for our small company. We simply do not hire staff to sit a round and answer every phone call and every email. Regarding the research on lubrication. The extent of our research is the amount of service calls we get to repair these units because they were not lubricated. As a former engineer, Darren is very familiar with performing research on mechanical systems The white papers may present tremendous details on the interplay of different materials in a controlled environment by highly skilled and highly trained technicians, but all that falls apart in the real world when these systems are not exposed to the test environments that the engineers created to test them in. So while we can sit around and pontificate the merits of different materials, we will always advocate to lubricate mechanical components, regardless of their material. For those folks that spend their time doing research and then choosing not lubricating these systems, we invite them to fill out a service request with our company when their system fails. We have gotten very good at repairing these systems because of their choices. All of the people we've helped and those that choose to lubricate with the recommended PTFE, have not reported any problems to us after the repairs.
Being an Aircraft Mechanic, your videos are incredibly helpful with our preventative maintenance.
I hope I don't ever have an issue with my Schwintek system, but if I do, I will return to your videos for guidance. Many many thanks, Darren, for providing such an excellent resource for us RV DIY'ers.... Bob in Grand Rapids, MI
Twice a year I do mine, spring and fall. And every unit I do maintenance on I do. Simple and cheep! Thanks for the video my friend
I have used the CRC lubricant on my slide 4 years since I’ve watch your video. Works great. Good tips
What a timely publication date! For the past several days I've been sharing my thoughts about lubricating the Schwintek system with our Lance Owners of America forum. It's not so easy typing the descriptions with all the parts to name and describe. I saw this video release and shared immediately. Excellent descriptions and examples. Thanks!
Worked on this problem a few days ago. Closing the slide-out worked until the last 2-inches when the forward motor stopped while the rear motor sped up for 1-2 seconds until fully seated. No fault code on the controller, and my Coddiewample tester extended and retracted the slide-out fully and met the 50% compression of the bulb seals. Disconnected shore power and operated slide-out via controller while measuring voltage drop, cycled three times and voltage drop was less than 1VDC each cycle. Inspected motor and collet, spur gears and V-wheels. Applied PTFE, operated slide-out, and synchronized motors. Slide-out bulb seals compressed to 50% standard. Success? Your video makes me wonder if the bottom shoe is failing. Thanks for posting Darren. BTW, I left the dealership and am now full-time. Semper Fi.
Great video and information! Thank you for taking the time to create this video and pass it on to the rest of us. I now have a better understanding and education on how to work on and maintenance my own RV with the schwintek slides. Thank you very much Darren!
After having watched HOURS of your videos, I was able to remove and replace both my Schwintek slides.
I had this same EXACT issue which caused my slide to STUCK in the open position so I couldn't even take it to repair facility.
I ordered completely new slide system from Lippert ($1500 CDN for both sides). Lippert sent the wrong H column the first time (67 inches instead of 68 inches between each rack)
I also had Lippert send me a dozen new SPARE shoes.
I just want to let you that I have been lubricating CRC lubricant.
It does work much better BUT however, I will tell you that the lubricant does cause the foam pads on each side of the shoe to come off as the lubricant must dissolve the glue holding the foam on the plastic shoe.
After opening and closing my completely brand NEW Schwintek slide several times, the little foam ends will come off and stay in the groove which can now cause a possible jam IF it is not removed. I would advise and suggest removing those foam ends BEFORE reassembling your rack and H column.
You just convince me that experience with these units have more value than a bunch of book learning 😊 but it’s no my problem anymore I sold my MH with this system just because it was a headache I didn’t want to deal with plus I wasn’t using my coach due to mobility issues which was the primary reason. 😊
Glad I watched this one! Sometimes I don't understand the reasoning or purpose for certain guidance. This made it quite clear!
Darrin I Really appreciate your knowledgeable instructions,,THANK YOU? guys that repair for a job get burnt out and the caring goes with that,,thanks for keeping the love and knowledge of sharing your expertise.
Thank you so much. I understand this system a lot better now. Man, I wish you were in Florida.
What an excellent description of where to lube and why!… I’ve been using the Teflon spray in the slot but not the block… this is a superb preventative video. Thank you for your skill and selflessness… very much appreciated!
Put a bucket over the sprinkler next time
I would agree on lubrication, it makes a night and day difference with mechanical forces and mating part wear. The manufacturer has lots and lots of experience working with brand new parts that have never seen sun or dirt. This experience has little to do with older RVs,... dirty, misaligned worn parts have no place in the factory. I always smile when I contact a company to ask about parts and they act really surprised with the fact that something has failed, like they couldn't project years of real world use and environmental exposure upon their beautiful design. I wonder what the company thinks is the downside to using lubrication? Debris accumulation? Just remember LEDs are so reliable you'll never really live long enough to need to replace them, well, except, ... that is BS. Keep up the great videos, very informative.
I bought my camper used and the slide was pretty slow. I lubricated it using the CRC lubricant following a lippert video I found on RUclips and it worked much better. Since then I've lubricated it every few months and haven't had any issues.
Excellent detailed description. Thank you.
Excellent video Darren. We have a 2022 Winnebago Minnie that came with a Lippert/Schwintek Inverted rack system on the slide. Kept it lubed per your recommendations from day 1 as well as supporting the slide when retracted/traveling etc. The drive gear began skipping late last season. The manufacture date missed the posted TSB date by 2 weeks! I called Lippert. They have subsequently increased the manufacturing date window on the TSB. Lippert replaced the entire inverted system with a new standard rack system. All on their dime. The standard system is smoother and much quieter than the inverted system ever was... Keep up the great work!
I just had the same inverted one replaced on my GD Imagine 17MKE. Hopefully, this one will last a bit longer.
What was your date? Mine is 3/21/2022
If you're asking me, I don't know. I had a shop do the replacement for me. It goes by the date on the slide not the date of the trailer. And I understand that they have enlarged the window of dates they will except.
@@ThomasLips I’m referring to the actual H column manufactured date found on its sticker.
@@thedcgod Manufacture date on ours was 09/14/2021
You do bring up a Great observation on lubrication....
Schwintek uses two or more metals that come in contact with each other. There has to be a lube
to help prevent the metals from negatively reacting with each other.
(Example, aluminum wire in a Breaker panel on a house main or sub, panel. ) without that barrier
There would be heat build up leading to potential fire.
I was a fire truck mechanic for several years and we had anode rods, graphite coated rope seals, brass, steel, ECT
all having to work with each other so neither would wear each other prematurely.
(remember to clean and use correct lubricant often, clean before adding new lubricant is the best.
Excellent video Darren! Thank you for sharing!
Great suggestion based on in the trenches experience! First rate explanation. I always enjoy coming out to do inspections in your neck of the woods on the Peninsula -- wife says I get to go on a cruise (Ferry).
Lol a ferry cruise
FYI: My 2024 Grand Design Momentum 415G has in the Owners Manual to lubricate the same points and same CRC with PTFE as your recommendations.
Darrin your videos are awesome! Thanks a ton for taking the time to put them together
great video!!
Thanks for the great information! Do you have a video of removing the H column and then bringing the motor out?
We certainly do. Check out our playlist for slide rooms and you'll find several.
Having similar issue with my system. Hoping it can be fixed for a reasonable price
Great refresher on the schwinteck. I used your previous RUclipss to do a complete replacement a little over a year ago. My schwinteck was completely wore out. The blocks, drive shafts, tracks everything. The slide is starting to show signs and sounds of excessive wear again. Is it possible for a slide to just be too deep and too heavy. My slide holds the bed (heavy 12” foam mattress) and separate washer and dryer?
I have seen some schwinteck double track on top of full side slides on motor homes. So I’m puzzled. Thanks.
I just ordered the lube you recommended. Thanks. I noticed that the installers didn’t follow the pilots holes on the track. Any ideas why’s?? Asking for a friend.
I have a similar problem on one of my Schwintek slides. Top of the trailing end of the slide sticks out at the top of the outside when closed and sticks out at the bottom on the inside when open. Been that way for a couple years. I never knew what the problem was until now. I thought it was just out of sync. I'll fix it (or pay someone to fix it) if it gets worse. Will get some CRC with PTFE though. Yeah, my Lippert manual says no lube on this slide.
Great explanation! I have a basic question, in this video I don’t see any supporting of the slide when you removed the track and h channel. Is it not necessary to support the slide?
You should be okay if you only work on one side at a time. That way the other side remains the anchor point to the wall.
@@MyRVWorksunless the blocks slide out of the gibs, right? (Would take a lot of pulling but I guess possible)
Do you have a video on lubricating Schwintek sliders?
Good job I just have one question Darrin why on Gods green earth wouldn't you go ask the customer to turn off the sprinklers while you were working. Lol🤣
Haha. They weren't home.
great video but impossilbe to lubricate along the drive shaft and slide seals prevent it
@riseup3117: Got to pull those big lips outta the way to take care of business...practice with one hand holding and the other applying lube. Just like so many other things, it gets easier with practice!!
The CRC Lube you show using doesn't say "fast drying" or "residue free" or such. Would one of those be a better alternative?
Do you lube the roller from inside the unit or outside. I’m referring to “lying the rubber flap back”. Thanks
How does one get underneath the slide to lubricate those rollers? From inside or outside?
Look back a few years on his channel he has vids showing how.Watch all his vids on slide outs.
Sorry I would have put a bucket over that sprinkler but I guess it cost the customer more because of the time spent moving away and back and away and back lol😊
Haha. :) We charge a flat rate so it doesn't cost the customer more. They had their sprinklers set and weren't home so Darren just worked around it.
If those gibs are supposed to allow for some movement, why are my blocks riveted to the H column with black tipped rivets? One rivet is broken on 2 different blocks. It seems this is counterintuitive to the allowing for motion?
The one I was working on was off about 4 inches top to bottom. Looks like he needs new blocks.
6 sided shaft= Hex-shaft because its hexagon shape.
What about the TSB from lippert for the units built after Oct 1st 2021? Any thoughts?
Is there is a cheaper source to get a few new shoes?!?! Im seeing about $200 for these little plastic shoes from Lippert.... its very painful to imagine paying that much for these
Why not just turn off the water or put a bucket over the sprinkler
Lol. The customer wasn't on-site and had the sprinklers on so we just worked around it.
What the hell LCI??? Value Engineering to make things cheaper? What a mess trying to figure out which kit you need.
Scrubby looking beard Darren!
Just so you know, it’s call the foot. Not a fin.
The shoe goes on the foot. It’s even shaped like a foot.
That makes perfect sense thank you!
I did call you last summer. You never returned my call. If the material is delrin I don't think it should be lubricated. You do the research.
Thank you for the comment. What was the nature of your call? We direct everybody to a service request form where we gather the information from them. Did you fill out a service request? Otherwise, we're not going to return every call that comes into our business. It's just not productive for our small company. We simply do not hire staff to sit a round and answer every phone call and every email.
Regarding the research on lubrication. The extent of our research is the amount of service calls we get to repair these units because they were not lubricated. As a former engineer, Darren is very familiar with performing research on mechanical systems The white papers may present tremendous details on the interplay of different materials in a controlled environment by highly skilled and highly trained technicians, but all that falls apart in the real world when these systems are not exposed to the test environments that the engineers created to test them in. So while we can sit around and pontificate the merits of different materials, we will always advocate to lubricate mechanical components, regardless of their material. For those folks that spend their time doing research and then choosing not lubricating these systems, we invite them to fill out a service request with our company when their system fails. We have gotten very good at repairing these systems because of their choices. All of the people we've helped and those that choose to lubricate with the recommended PTFE, have not reported any problems to us after the repairs.
It’s Washington, why are they watering the lawn? It rains about every other day!! Just sayin.
Someone told them global warming was drying it out. 😂
Not true
Haha