Lincoln about 2 hour drive for me I was there yesterday getting a thermostat for the t190 skidsteer yesterday and drive pump seal kit I was up tell 2 am finishing it so I could sleep in today and relax this weekend think I'll have find this place next time I'm up there but I go a least 2 times a month it's my closest Kubota parts dealer when kc don't have a part I need
@@KentuckyFriedFixes plan on it I have some one wheel peel yard karts I could throw together for cheap yard karts are going for 500 a pop around here lately its crazy 🤪
Short stroke, long rod and a flat top piston would be a nice little combo! I'm still deciding on what parts to use for this one at this point. I'm a little concerned about changing the balance too much. I may stick with a low budget parts build on this one until I find out if it's gonna shake itself to death or not! We'll go from there.
Hi OpAfCasey! I used a 224 Predator carb on the "Killer Tiller" engine so any Honda or clone 212 carb should bolt right up. I will finish this one when it warms up a bit. Thanks!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes sweet been curious cause I was handled a homelite 179cc engine and I'm gonna put it on my mini bike but was curious if a mikuni carburetor for a 212 would fit
Hisun 99 and Predator 79 have the same rod journals and bearing size....however....the 79 has 37mm stroke and the 99 has 40mm....the Predator has a small wrist pin and higher compression height but that's where they gained it so you can't stroke the 99 with a 79 crank, it would actually drag the piston down into the cylinder but the up stroke would be trash. Grrrr.....ARC make me a 99cc long rod for the 154 crank!!!
I'd love to see a hot rod 79cc or 99cc build on your channel FBC! If you can use a 179cc carburetor on a hot 79cc or 99cc engine let me know, I have some I'll donate to the cause!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes I know a guy who tried without much luck. He actually used a clone carb. The pz19 is where it's at. I love the little engines. They are sooo much fun to tune and hone in one's skills. Lol imagine a parking lot race league of little 79/99cc minis. Easy to transport and store. Big fun in small areas!!
@@fatbuddycat A PZ19 would sure add some power! I may experiment with some of the 79cc and 99cc engines after I get the others finished. First I'll have to search the barn to see if I can round up a few prospects!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes They really bring a different kind of fun to the table. They make good power but you have to build for torque. The cherry spot for these is around 3-6k rpm. The ARC flywheel is heavier and helps them carry centrifugal force with rotational mass. Doing everything you can at the coil/spark plug will significantly improve the tuning experience.
Hi B! The 179cc LCT engine is the same size as the 196cc Honda clone blocks (Edited to add: The bore on the 179cc block is 65mm instead of 68mm but the footprint of the block is the same). I think the smaller versions like the 79cc and 99cc engines are the smaller blocks. I've not built a 136cc LCT so I don't know exactly what you need but I suggest looking into parts that fit the 79cc and 99cc engines. Yours may be more like those.
The block is the exact same size as the 212cc engines. If it wasn't for that oddball camshaft size they'd be a perfect match to a non reinforced 212 block.
Hi OpAfCasey! I've not tried to swap out the crank but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. The only thing I've found in the engine that won't swap out with a GX200 is the camshaft and piston. The cam diameter is .569 on the LCT while the Honda is .549. The piston in the LCT is 65mm vs the 68mm bore of the 196cc engines or 70mm bore of the 212's. I will be doing more with the LCT engines if there's enough interest in them. That Crankshaft in these things is NICE! Forged steel and nicely balanced. Nice to know about that crank, if you find an LCT engine that's been junked, grab it for the crankshaft, best made 54mm stock crank on the market.
@@KentuckyFriedFixes so I figured out witch 179 I got the one I got is almost an exact match to the Honda gx200 found out a lot about her it's a 64 mm bore for mine at least but billet rod and a gx200 max stroke crank fits also the wrist pins are slightly shorter but thicker
I just got an LCT 136cc. I was gonna get the 179cc, but i was afraid it wouldn't fit inside my felt faker gas bicycle frame. So i got the 136cc. And now find out that the 136cc will only fit vertically. I need to find someone to weld me up a mount. I have a death row comet style tav 2 torque converter that ill be using as well. I took off all that throttle linkage. Cant use it if i wanted to because vertical mount Anyways i have a pz20 carb, but im afraid that it will over rev because i have to take out the governor too. I need to use a charging flywheel because i need lights and power. I sure wish they made billet charging flywheels. I guess i could take off the outer starting ring if i can even find one of those. Should i be worried about the carb, the governor and flywheel, or do you think id be ok with the carb change, governor delete and a charging flywheel?
Hi B! Sounds like a cool project! The PZ20 carb is a great performance mod but remember if you remove the governor you'll need to be concerned about the stock rod and flywheel failures. The stock rod can usually handle up to 6K RPM but the flywheel will not safely spin that high. Anything over 3600 RPM with a cast iron flywheel is a no no. Undoubtedly you will hear people that will say they've run their cast iron flywheels at high RPM without an issue. I did that too with the 5HP Briggs engines and had good luck right until one came apart on me. I was lucky and it missed me but there have been others that weren't as lucky. From then on anything I build will have something other than cast iron for the flywheel. I prefer billet but those PVL flywheels are acceptable to a degree. If you're mounting your engine in an odd position remember to check the oiling system to be sure it can oil. These have the splash type oiling so if the rod dipper is not touching the oil, it'll lock up!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes i think my engine is a dual bearing and forged crank too, like the 179cc. Im not wanting to have the rpm up high, and I'd rather just leave that governor alone, but i don't think i can just leave it flapping in the wind so to speak. I'm green on these 4 strokes and is my very first build, but i just got tired of working on those 2 strokes, which is why i opted for the 136cc. I would have just gutten a 79cc predator, but they really aren't powerful enough to drive those torque converters, and im new to the torque converters too, lol But like i was saying, yeah im worried about that flywheel. I was going to get a dual, parallel coil and a charging flywheel with 3 magnets for power. I have to have the lights and charging power available. J can only mount my engine vertical, so that means i cant use the original carb or linkage because of it, unless i guess if I had custom intake manifold. What to do, what to do... Wish i could get a charging billet flywheel. I wonder why they dont make those?
All great projects start with a great plan. You'll get yours together. The Tillotson carburetors can be mounted in any position if that helps. I'm with you on the billet charging flywheels. Seems crazy to make a billet flywheel with a ring gear for electric start yet no internal charging magnets for the coils!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes yes! That's exactly what i was thinking, about the electric start lol. I've even looked into rev limiting ignition coils, thinking i might be able to make sure the revs stay down. Im trying to go for reliability and not so much speed, and i don't plan on revving it out like a madman, without a load on the engine. Maybe im just overthinking the whole thing, but one thing for sure is i cant use the stock carb and linkage.
Yes Sir William! Some of the engine makers list these as 210cc for some reason? Maybe "their" crank has a bit more than 54mm stroke? These LCT cranks are great. Even at 54mm stroke I'm happy. I'll try to show a closeup of the crankshaft in Part 2. Thanks man!
Why too much trouble, to deal with the replacement cam and other issues with this engine. I'm going to pass on it and stay with the preitor 212 and 224. So thanks, but no thanks 😢.
Hi Chuck! Why did I build this combination? It has a forged steel crankshaft and it cost $49.95 for the 179cc engine. The LCT 70mm block cost me $20. This was a budget build experiment that was MUCH cheaper than a budget Predator, but I have those on the channel as well.
Hi Jesse! I don't have the kit to get an exact cc measurement on the chamber but it sure looks to be a 20 or 22cc head on the LCT heads I have on my engines. Decent looking stock ports too.
@@KentuckyFriedFixes I ended up rigging up an apparatus to measure the head CC. If my meaaurements were accurate, the LCT 208 has a 22cc head. The reason I got curious was because I decided to do a quick and dirty head swap on my kids' Coleman BT200x (Hisun 196cc engine) to utilize the LCT's larger valves and improved ports. The problem is, after reassembling everything, the engine has almost no compression whatsoever. My first thought was that somehow the LCT head must have a much higher volume than the stock Hisun, and somehow I overlooked it. However, they appear to have the same combustion chamber volume and design, minus the valve sizes, so now I have to figure out where the compression went. I'm glad you did these videos with the LCT engine's and their good (and bad) features because I've had that 208 sitting on my shelf begging for something to do. I considered swapping the 196 with the 208 completely, until you shared the very strange and frustrating news about the incompatibility of standard cams and the goofball size of the LCT journals. I may still swap it in, I just had planned to eventually cam the bike once we upgraded flywheel, con rod, etc. Thank you for yet another video on some of these less common engines. I'm always looking for some little obscure, rock bottom priced engine that secretly has better parts or designs than the competitors
@@jesse1136 Thanks Jesse! I like the little LCT engines. Well, at $49.95 I like them. It's a shame that the cam diameters are odd but those forged steel cranks are worth every penny!
Hi Noah! The carburetor on the 179cc is much smaller than the 212 or the 224cc engines. I've not measured the exact difference of the size of the venturis but there is an obvious visual difference between the two. The 179cc carb is way smaller.
NICE VID BOSS
Ahhhh.....bore!!! Great job. Man I love this stuff.
Sweet vid. Just checked out Kain Kustom Garage.
Thanks Frank! Dan has some good stuff on his channel.
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👍 KFF 🤗 … lol I like the reminder ! 😝 ain’t nothing He don’t see! 😂😂😂 ✌️🤙
Thanks Rawb! I appreciate you!
Lincoln about 2 hour drive for me I was there yesterday getting a thermostat for the t190 skidsteer yesterday and drive pump seal kit I was up tell 2 am finishing it so I could sleep in today and relax this weekend think I'll have find this place next time I'm up there but I go a least 2 times a month it's my closest Kubota parts dealer when kc don't have a part I need
Man I wish I was that close! I'd throw a couple in the trunk!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes plan on it I have some one wheel peel yard karts I could throw together for cheap yard karts are going for 500 a pop around here lately its crazy 🤪
That's a much bigger cylinder bore. I'm looking forward to the next video 🔧👍
Thank you Sir!
great channel, happy weekend
Thanks Kenbismo!
Gr8 deal on that engine! Gr8 video!!
They're cheap enough to play with for sure! Thanks!
Less stroke, longer rod and a shorter piston.....I'm 45 seconds in let's see how I do!
Short stroke, long rod and a flat top piston would be a nice little combo! I'm still deciding on what parts to use for this one at this point. I'm a little concerned about changing the balance too much. I may stick with a low budget parts build on this one until I find out if it's gonna shake itself to death or not! We'll go from there.
Will a aftermarket carburetor for a 212 fit this ?
Hi OpAfCasey! I used a 224 Predator carb on the "Killer Tiller" engine so any Honda or clone 212 carb should bolt right up. I will finish this one when it warms up a bit. Thanks!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes sweet been curious cause I was handled a homelite 179cc engine and I'm gonna put it on my mini bike but was curious if a mikuni carburetor for a 212 would fit
Hisun 99 and Predator 79 have the same rod journals and bearing size....however....the 79 has 37mm stroke and the 99 has 40mm....the Predator has a small wrist pin and higher compression height but that's where they gained it so you can't stroke the 99 with a 79 crank, it would actually drag the piston down into the cylinder but the up stroke would be trash. Grrrr.....ARC make me a 99cc long rod for the 154 crank!!!
I'd love to see a hot rod 79cc or 99cc build on your channel FBC! If you can use a 179cc carburetor on a hot 79cc or 99cc engine let me know, I have some I'll donate to the cause!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes I know a guy who tried without much luck. He actually used a clone carb. The pz19 is where it's at. I love the little engines. They are sooo much fun to tune and hone in one's skills. Lol imagine a parking lot race league of little 79/99cc minis. Easy to transport and store. Big fun in small areas!!
@@fatbuddycat A PZ19 would sure add some power! I may experiment with some of the 79cc and 99cc engines after I get the others finished. First I'll have to search the barn to see if I can round up a few prospects!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes They really bring a different kind of fun to the table. They make good power but you have to build for torque. The cherry spot for these is around 3-6k rpm. The ARC flywheel is heavier and helps them carry centrifugal force with rotational mass. Doing everything you can at the coil/spark plug will significantly improve the tuning experience.
Is that head the Same bolt pattern as a predator
Hi Craig! It's the same bolt pattern as the Predator engines exactly.
I got a honda clone flywheel and it was too big fur my lct 136cc
Hi B! The 179cc LCT engine is the same size as the 196cc Honda clone blocks (Edited to add: The bore on the 179cc block is 65mm instead of 68mm but the footprint of the block is the same). I think the smaller versions like the 79cc and 99cc engines are the smaller blocks. I've not built a 136cc LCT so I don't know exactly what you need but I suggest looking into parts that fit the 79cc and 99cc engines. Yours may be more like those.
Is the block smaller like the 79cc or is it same as the Predator 212’s?
The block is the exact same size as the 212cc engines. If it wasn't for that oddball camshaft size they'd be a perfect match to a non reinforced 212 block.
@@KentuckyFriedFixes I was hoping it was smaller. Getting tired of trying to stuff a big engine in a small frame…😂 The 79cc fits so well.
@@DIYWilly FBC has the prospects for a performance ultra small block build. Hint Hint FBC! 🤣🤣
Will a gx200 crank fit in this ?
Hi OpAfCasey! I've not tried to swap out the crank but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. The only thing I've found in the engine that won't swap out with a GX200 is the camshaft and piston. The cam diameter is .569 on the LCT while the Honda is .549. The piston in the LCT is 65mm vs the 68mm bore of the 196cc engines or 70mm bore of the 212's. I will be doing more with the LCT engines if there's enough interest in them. That Crankshaft in these things is NICE! Forged steel and nicely balanced. Nice to know about that crank, if you find an LCT engine that's been junked, grab it for the crankshaft, best made 54mm stock crank on the market.
@@KentuckyFriedFixes so I figured out witch 179 I got the one I got is almost an exact match to the Honda gx200 found out a lot about her it's a 64 mm bore for mine at least but billet rod and a gx200 max stroke crank fits also the wrist pins are slightly shorter but thicker
I just got an LCT 136cc. I was gonna get the 179cc, but i was afraid it wouldn't fit inside my felt faker gas bicycle frame.
So i got the 136cc. And now find out that the 136cc will only fit vertically. I need to find someone to weld me up a mount.
I have a death row comet style tav 2 torque converter that ill be using as well.
I took off all that throttle linkage. Cant use it if i wanted to because vertical mount
Anyways i have a pz20 carb, but im afraid that it will over rev because i have to take out the governor too. I need to use a charging flywheel because i need lights and power. I sure wish they made billet charging flywheels. I guess i could take off the outer starting ring if i can even find one of those.
Should i be worried about the carb, the governor and flywheel, or do you think id be ok with the carb change, governor delete and a charging flywheel?
Hi B! Sounds like a cool project! The PZ20 carb is a great performance mod but remember if you remove the governor you'll need to be concerned about the stock rod and flywheel failures. The stock rod can usually handle up to 6K RPM but the flywheel will not safely spin that high. Anything over 3600 RPM with a cast iron flywheel is a no no. Undoubtedly you will hear people that will say they've run their cast iron flywheels at high RPM without an issue. I did that too with the 5HP Briggs engines and had good luck right until one came apart on me. I was lucky and it missed me but there have been others that weren't as lucky. From then on anything I build will have something other than cast iron for the flywheel. I prefer billet but those PVL flywheels are acceptable to a degree. If you're mounting your engine in an odd position remember to check the oiling system to be sure it can oil. These have the splash type oiling so if the rod dipper is not touching the oil, it'll lock up!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes i think my engine is a dual bearing and forged crank too, like the 179cc.
Im not wanting to have the rpm up high, and I'd rather just leave that governor alone, but i don't think i can just leave it flapping in the wind so to speak. I'm green on these 4 strokes and is my very first build, but i just got tired of working on those 2 strokes, which is why i opted for the 136cc. I would have just gutten a 79cc predator, but they really aren't powerful enough to drive those torque converters, and im new to the torque converters too, lol
But like i was saying, yeah im worried about that flywheel. I was going to get a dual, parallel coil and a charging flywheel with 3 magnets for power. I have to have the lights and charging power available. J can only mount my engine vertical, so that means i cant use the original carb or linkage because of it, unless i guess if I had custom intake manifold. What to do, what to do... Wish i could get a charging billet flywheel. I wonder why they dont make those?
All great projects start with a great plan. You'll get yours together. The Tillotson carburetors can be mounted in any position if that helps. I'm with you on the billet charging flywheels. Seems crazy to make a billet flywheel with a ring gear for electric start yet no internal charging magnets for the coils!
@@KentuckyFriedFixes yes! That's exactly what i was thinking, about the electric start lol. I've even looked into rev limiting ignition coils, thinking i might be able to make sure the revs stay down. Im trying to go for reliability and not so much speed, and i don't plan on revving it out like a madman, without a load on the engine.
Maybe im just overthinking the whole thing, but one thing for sure is i cant use the stock carb and linkage.
That actually does measure 207.81684
So yes 208 is the round off number
Yes Sir William! Some of the engine makers list these as 210cc for some reason? Maybe "their" crank has a bit more than 54mm stroke? These LCT cranks are great. Even at 54mm stroke I'm happy. I'll try to show a closeup of the crankshaft in Part 2. Thanks man!
Why too much trouble, to deal with the replacement cam and other issues with this engine. I'm going to pass on it and stay with the preitor 212 and 224. So thanks, but no thanks 😢.
Hi Chuck! Why did I build this combination? It has a forged steel crankshaft and it cost $49.95 for the 179cc engine. The LCT 70mm block cost me $20. This was a budget build experiment that was MUCH cheaper than a budget Predator, but I have those on the channel as well.
I know this is an older video, but I'm hoping someone knows the size (CC) of the LCT 208 head?
Hi Jesse! I don't have the kit to get an exact cc measurement on the chamber but it sure looks to be a 20 or 22cc head on the LCT heads I have on my engines. Decent looking stock ports too.
@@KentuckyFriedFixes I ended up rigging up an apparatus to measure the head CC. If my meaaurements were accurate, the LCT 208 has a 22cc head.
The reason I got curious was because I decided to do a quick and dirty head swap on my kids' Coleman BT200x (Hisun 196cc engine) to utilize the LCT's larger valves and improved ports. The problem is, after reassembling everything, the engine has almost no compression whatsoever.
My first thought was that somehow the LCT head must have a much higher volume than the stock Hisun, and somehow I overlooked it. However, they appear to have the same combustion chamber volume and design, minus the valve sizes, so now I have to figure out where the compression went.
I'm glad you did these videos with the LCT engine's and their good (and bad) features because I've had that 208 sitting on my shelf begging for something to do. I considered swapping the 196 with the 208 completely, until you shared the very strange and frustrating news about the incompatibility of standard cams and the goofball size of the LCT journals.
I may still swap it in, I just had planned to eventually cam the bike once we upgraded flywheel, con rod, etc. Thank you for yet another video on some of these less common engines. I'm always looking for some little obscure, rock bottom priced engine that secretly has better parts or designs than the competitors
@@jesse1136 Thanks Jesse! I like the little LCT engines. Well, at $49.95 I like them. It's a shame that the cam diameters are odd but those forged steel cranks are worth every penny!
Like 2 so nice 👍👍👈👈🌸
Thanks Honar!
What size is the carb
Hi Noah! The carburetor on the 179cc is much smaller than the 212 or the 224cc engines. I've not measured the exact difference of the size of the venturis but there is an obvious visual difference between the two. The 179cc carb is way smaller.