How to wire a smoke detector to a fire alarm
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video, I show a tutorial on how you would wire a smoke detector for a fire alarm system to a fire alarm notification appliance without a control panel! I hope this can help you guys!
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I've always wanted to try this. I used my simplex 2098 9636 and my wheelock as for this. Thank you for the tutorial. 😊
How do you wire the smoke detector to the pull station?
XD JK. LOL
You need a smoke detector. 🙂
You need a fire alarm. 🙂
You need batteries. 🙂
You need wires. 🙂
You need brain power. 😥
This actually helped! I tried this with my Simplex 2098-9201 photoelectric smoke detector paired with my EST G1-HDVM and it worked!
Great!
Very informative video!
I think the reason the strobe was not flashing very frequently is not because of the battery level, but because the first detector you used is a 4 wire detector and requires a separate power source.
Thanks! Just a side note, I did not use any four wire detectors in this video. I believe the reason why the strobe wasn’t flashing much is due to the batteries having a low voltage and not being able to supply power to the detector and the strobe at the same time.
The smoke detector in the video is a 2412. I have that model, and according to System sensor it is 4 wire
Nope. It’s a two wire detector with a relay.
ExitSign250 Huh....I must be wrong. Sorry
For 120 volt interconnect able smoke alarms the sell relays that hook up to the interconnection signal wire and you can switch things with it, even zones on fire and security panels
Very helpful. Does this work with EST conventional heat detectors?
+FireAlarmDude5967 It can work with both smoke and heat detectors as long as they are conventional
Okay!
Does this work with an EST SIGA-PS? It doesn't say if it's conventional, or addressable! I just wanna make sure before I blow anything up! XD
The EST SIGA-PS is an addressable smoke detector. Some times addressable devices are labeled as “intelligent.” However you can wire them as conventional, but when activated the red and green light will come on (indicating it’s detected smoke) but it will not close the circuit. (That’s what causes the alarm to go off)
@@ExitSign250 Good to know!
I’ve been looking for this for years
Nice! This is a helpful video!
+alarmtech989 Thanks! Glad I could help!
Great! I’m glad I was able to help out!
This seems like its about the same as wiring a Pull station to the notification appliance, unless I missed a key point in the video
Generally it is, but some people get confused on some areas so I made this video.
I have a DC12/24V voltage fire alarm with a current of: 20mA/50mA. What smoke detector would I need for that?
I have a question, Will this method work with a system sensor i3 4W-B smoke detector? Thanks
That is a 4 wire smoke detector. You will need to wire one set of contacts like I did in this video, then the other you need to connect to the power supply.
@@ExitSign250 Thanks. Do you know what terminals to use? Because it has 5 terminals it has 2+ terminals, 1- terminal one terminal that says N.O and another terminal that says C. Thanks
Connect terminals 1 and 3 directly to the power source and connect terminals 4 and 5 like a pull station
ExitSign250 can I email you as I need you help can I have a email or phone number
Thanks for the tip!
Nice video! I may consult your next video as I want to expand my mini system :P
+ScherervilleEAS Thanks! Not sure what you meant there
Whoops... that is worded a little weirdly. I think I meant that I will be using the next video that you will be making (the one you mentioned in this video) as well for my personal system. Sorry for any confusion.
+ScherervilleEAS Oh oh oh, I see.
how did you make the horn stobe only strobe can u do video on that or just explain it to me thanks!
Can this work for the 2W-B i3?
Yes, any two wire smoke detector or heat detector.
@@ExitSign250 thanks
can this setup be used with DC power adapter?
+VstaarProduction 15 Yes, as long as you have the correct voltage
Ik that 3 nine volts is 27 volts, but is it possible to work with 24 volts with three alarms? Using a 24-volt power supply.
+Whemenoc Alarms are supposed to be run off of 24VDC normally. But overloading it a little is fine.
Not necessarily. Maybe 15-20. You have to consider amperage.
Each device varies. And each panel varies in how many amps they output.
We have that smoke detector in our hallway apartment😊😊😊
What does AHP mean
Very good
Is the smoke detector photo electric or conventional?
Those are two completely different terms. There are two types of sensors in smoke detectors: photoelectric and ionization. Ionization is the oldest type and rather outdated and not as reliable. Photoelectric is newer than ionization and is generally better at detecting smoke and has become the standard type for smoke detectors on fire alarm systems. Smoke alarms on the other hand mainly come with ionization sensors, but you can find others that have a photoelectric sensor. Now there are two types of smoke detectors: conventional and addressable. Conventional detectors are able to be used with most conventional panels, or can be wired without a panel. Addressable detectors require an addressable control panel and additional programming. I hope this helps!
@@ExitSign250 Thank you!
Nice! You have a new intro! Ok so I have the same smoke detector and for whatever reason when I test it with actual smoke it takes a while to activate. Are you having the same problem?
+Dave Thanks! That's most likely due to low voltage (if your using this type of wiring)
Highly unlikely considering that my panel is powering it. I have a 2424 (4 wire version) 2 wires for power (24v supplied by my panel) and 2 wires for the IDC.
Dave Notice how I said "(if your using this type of wiring)" meaning if you are using the circuit I showed. But if your using it on a panel, the detector just may be old and less sensitive, that's usually the case if they aren't being under powered
Wow ok I just got the notification for a comment over 6 days old. Anyways It could be that the detector just got less sensitive because the first time I tested it (It was NIB) It worked with a single match. Now it takes 2 candles (smoke) to activate. These detector's aren't necessarily the newest therefore I don't expect them to work like a brand new i3. It will still detect smoke when I need it it so I think I am ok. Thanks for the help. :)
+Dave No problem
Nice genesis
Nice video.
+XLS Productions Thanks!
Nice!!!
+Wheelove Fire Alarms Thanks!
I have a question can you do this with a system sensor heat detector? I’m getting one and I’m not really sure
Yep! This will work with any heat detector or two wire smoke detector.
@@ExitSign250 thank you so much
How would you go about wiring a 2-wire smoke detector to a System Sensor P1224MC? Unlike the EST Genesis that you are using--which has only 2 terminals--the P1224MC has a + and - for the horn and a + and - for the strobe. Would you have to use a 4-wire smoke alarm instead or can you stay with the 2-wire?
Just connect the + of strobe to + of horn terminal, then - of strobe to - of horn and both will now work with the 2 wire smoke.
@@ExitSign250 But it already comes with factory-installed jumpers that connect + of strobe to + of horn and - of strobe to - of horn. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying
Niko If that’s a case, the horn and strobe will function at the same time when power is applied. If they aren’t, your batteries/power supply isn’t sufficient enough.
Could you use a 12v fire alarm battery instead of the 3 9v batteries that you used?
Yes you can, as long as all devices are rated for 12VDC.
So, Ummm... Experiencing some problems. If you are reading this please help me!!! I am using a System Sensor i3 Series 2WT-B Smoke Detector and a System Sensor Spectr Alert ADVANCE Series (P2r) And when i push test on the detector the light turns on but when I let go it turns off. And the P2r never sounds. What am I doing Wrong???
Strange... Are you sure everything is correctly wired? Try rewiring a the circuit again. Also make sure you have enough voltage for the circuit. Around 24VDC.
I did it with my Faraday 6120 and 2400 detector
helpful!
Fireman24 Detector Thanks!!! I'm really glad I could help you!
Cool!
+StormzAlarmz2500 Thanks!
Is there anyway you can hook up a fire alarm to smoke alarms so that when they go off the fire alarm goes off as wellas well?
+Rodj. You can't for AC smoke alarms, unless you wire a relay to the fire alarm, but it would be a bit difficult to do. Battery powered smoke alarms you can't. I've tried it with battery powered smoke alarms, and it would work, but typical fire alarms require 24VDC and smoke alarms are 9VDC. If you use 9VDV the smoke alarm would work but the fire alarm would be underpowered. If you try 24VDC, it would over power the smoke alarm and could cause smoke from the circuit board, ironically.
There was this one video of someone who did it(A video from a REALLY long time ago) and he seemed like he knew what he was doing.
Rodj Like I said, it IS possible with AC alarms with a relay if you know what you are doing
does it trigger the actual alarm? or jus the strobe
The device I wired to it was only a strobe, but you can connect anything you want to it. (Horn, strobe, chime, siren)
@@ExitSign250 One last question if you do that set up how long before the 9 V batteries die and you have to replace them, assuming the siren or the smoke alarm never go off
It would take a long while for them to die out. Maybe months or years.
Nice!
+JBFire9086 Thanks!
With 4 wire smoke detectors, once the detector is put in alarm, it relays power from the power supply to the 2 zone terminals completing the circuit and sounding an alarm, right? Thanks.
It doesn’t provide power, it just closes the circuit. Like a switch.
@@ExitSign250 so when the detector activates, is basically like closing a switch and sounding my notification appliance?
Correct.
@@ExitSign250 Awesome! Thanks!
Thanks
+Geminijetscollector 2636 No problem! Glad to help!
So when I activate the smoke detector it only activated the red light the alarm did not go off. I followed you’re instructions. I have a 4w-b wire system sensor I3 and a Wheelock CH70. Can you help me ?
You have a four wire smoke detector. Did you wire it like a two wire device? That would be my guess on why it doesn’t work.
ExitSign250 that’s so weird, because when I wired it to the Wheelock AS it worked. It doesn’t want to set off the CH70. And I only used the positive and negative and left the others alone. Also note that the ch70 has 2 terminals. One for strobe and one for chime, could that be the case?
@@tonyajenkins3544 If you only wired the Chime, that's why.
This alarm only for flashing
Thanks! But i still want to use my battery operated smoke alarm to my system. Can you give me advice?
+Fire Alarm Technologies Im working on that, if it works, I'll make a video in a few weeks
Fire Alarm Technologies It MAY work if you use an old 120VAC powered NA and hook it up to the interconnect terminals of the smoke alarm. And that's assuming they output 120V, if they output something like 40V, you might be able to use an old bell. Oh, and a battery powered one probably won't work because those are not normally interconnectable.
ironmatic 1 No, on 120VAC smoke alarms that are interconnectable, they use 1 wire to interconnect with each other and are designed a special way to work like that. You couldn't use a 120VAC notification appliance with it
ExitSign250 Ah ok, lol. I'm not into smoke alarms, so I've not taken a close look at them.
+ironmatic 1 Yeah yeah, I got you
What’s the model as I am making for my grandparents
The model of the smoke detector is 2400. 2400TH is the model for both smoke and heat detection.
I have so many questions
I'm confused, some of the clips appear to be mix-matched and the audio not synced in some parts.
+ironmatic 1 Nope. It's all fine
ExitSign250 Were you just doing most of it off camera?
+ironmatic 1 Some
Can you use the simplex 4098 true alarm bases with it?
+XLS Productions As long as they are conventional
Cool, Are the 4098-9601's conventional?
+XLS Productions Not sure
I probably doubt it is conventional.
+XLS Productions Yeah
Where do you get your fire alarms
eBay, sometimes Amazon. I’ve even gotten a few devices from antique stores too.
Do I need to use a resistor on a system sensor i3 2W-B if I wire it like the video?
You only need a resistor when wiring to a fire alarm panel.
@@ExitSign250Thanks, if I get the 2 wire i3, will it be easier to wire to a fire alarm? Thanks
To some extent. The 4 wire i3’s have to have a separate power supply wired to them, unlike 2 wire.
@@ExitSign250 ok, would I wire the 2 wire i3 like the way in the video? Or could I follow the wiring diagram for it?
You’d wire the 2 wire i3 like it was shown in this video.
It's now 2018 and i have forgotten how to wire my 4-wire 2424 smoke detector. The method in the video doesn't work. I've asked for help with it last year and ended up finding out how to do it by pure luck. now i cant remember.
How does it not work. Also, this video shows how to wire a 2-wire smoke detector, not a 4-wire. So do not go blaming that. I did mention that for a 4-wire detector that 2 wires will go to 12 or 24VDC then the other will be wired like a pull station. Very simple and hard to mess up unless you don’t know what you’re doing.
No no it’s not like I’m blaming you. I was just mentioning how I forgot (over the time) the wiring setup I had for it. Btw I am now a successful fire alarm collector like you! I’d always watch your videos and find them awesome! As of now, I’ve semi-retired my fire alarm collecting hobby and am selling half my collection for an item price total of a little over $200. I still occasionally make fire alarm related videos though. Just wanted to let you know you were a great inspiration and as said in the past it’d be an honor for you to maybe check out my fire alarm videos.
Thanks! I just took it as you were saying it wasn’t correct. No worries though, I’m not mad! I also appreciate you watching my content over the years and being an inspiration! That does stink you are loosing interest, a lot of people are nowadays. I’ll be sure to check out your channel!
ExitSign250 I still have the interest. I just don’t really collect them anymore. Thanks for saying you might check out my fire alarm vids! I actually have a playlist on the channel showing almost the entire history of my fire alarm/emergency device collecting. Nice talking with ya!
Nice talking with you as well!
I'm having trouble with my set up, I'm wiring everything the same as in this video and the smoke detector does trip but it does not set off my notification appliance. Can anyone help me??
+Angel Raya You may not have enough power to your notification appliance. What type of notification appliance do you have?
ExitSign250 I am running 18 Volts through my est horn strobe
+Angel Raya Try upping the voltage a bit, they need 24VDC to run properly. If it still doesn't work try rewiring the circuit
This didn't work for me
+Andrew Church Here's some troubleshooting:
1. You didn't follow one or a few of my instructions, if so the circuit wouldn't work.
2. You may have an addressable detector. In that case it will not work.
3. You have a 4 wire smoke detector, if so you would need to hook up the two 24VDC terminals to batteries then the other to the circuit.
4. You may not have enough/too much power going threw the circuit so the detector will not function right.
5. You could have a non-functional detector.
Check these things if your having issues.
ExitSign250 thanks. Btw I love your videos and I too collect fire alarm stuff. Maybe sometime we could help each other or something?
+Andrew Church Thanks. I certainly can help you if you ever need help, but I'm not sure if you can help me with things (not that I don't think you can, it's just I don't think I'll need any help
ExitSign250 ok so I found the problem. You have a model 2412 detector and mine is a 2424. Designed the same way with the terminals in the same places but works slightly different. For mine wiring like this does technically still give the detector power but doesn't activate the alarm. Another problem is that there are ZERO videos on wiring the 2424. Do you have any 2424's or can you get some?
+Andrew Church You have a four wire smoke detector (4 wire version of the 2400) All you need to do is connect the power terminals to 12VDC or 24VDC (whatever you detector is rated to) then the other terminals go through the circuit
How can I wire a fire alarm to a smoke alarm so that when a wired in household smoke alarm goes off it will set the horn/strobe off
To do that you need a smoke alarm relay. The smoke alarm also must be AC powered with an interconnect wire. You connect the relay to the smoke alarm, then wire the relay to a horn strobe like a pull station.
@@ExitSign250 what is the relay for can I just cut the connector to the smoke alarm of and wire it to the hornstobe
@@ExitSign250 i want to wire the smoke alarms to a Gentex commander 3
Ethan Baker A smoke alarm is 120VAC, a typical fire alarm horn strobe is 24VDC. If you were to attempt that your horn strobe would blow up. They make a smoke alarm relay for this very purpose. The relay acts like a pull station. I am working on a video that explains basic fire alarm wiring and it will talk about how to wire a smoke alarm to a horn strobe with a relay.