Excellent....... Another one knocked outta the park.....I owned a Juno-60 and 106.........I put a few patches to the test from those times and genres and to say it put a smile on my face is wonderful....I started out in venues like a mini Howard Jones at 15yrs of age playing pubs and clubs until releasing my 1st album which had a Roland JD-800 and D-70 I programmed for the entire album.......Thank You Roland family...... for the amazing instruments and tools both past and present....5 stars from me*****I have a new album out soon....it has little bit more Roland in it to....Cheers :-)
The first (and favorite) synth I ever purchased!!! I composed and performed the song "Gaining Momentum" for MC Hammer on it. The bass, synths in the breakdown and synth solo are all done with the Juno 106!🤩💯❗❗
I feel the same, also being a JD-XA owner - the LEDs are nice but the labeling leaves something to be desired. Fortunately I probably won't be using the Zenology Juno-106 much as I prefer a thicker sound, such as what you can get out of the Zenology JX-8P (especially when you layer two instances to make a JX-10)
No point really, we know what these emulations sound like, its abut as good as its going to get for some time and easily good enough to work with in a track. The originals still have the edge but for most music you dont need it.
They may want to create another similar VST, they already did in hardware (boutique) version. There are so many similar JV/XV plugins in cloud. It could be just one plugin with all the wavesforms from base maschine and expansions.
Great work behind the Zenology platform. Probably some sounds are thin because we don’t have the right dacs. I think Roland hw instruments have some analog circuits not available also in the modern audio boards. To make the Zenology sounds fat and punchy I have to add a compressor an exciter and an eq. This is the analog behavior we don’t have within our audio devices. For example Diva or Re-Pro 1 sound bigger an fatter compared to the Zenology va analog presets because they have some punchy effects (not exposed) simulating the analog output.
Not noticed lack of punchiness but I'm using a roland quad capture which has good low end. Diva sound good but never really liked it as much as the Roland cloud stuff. Repro is nice though but to be fair the effects are already built in.
How do you even install and use Zenology? I've installed it from roland cloud manager, but I can't see any vst, no folders on my computer, it says it's installed in the unistall manager, but can't see shit... I end up clicking it in the manager from the library and it just takes me to the software page...
This is a model zenology expansion so you would have to purchase zenology. Here is more information: www.roland.com/global/promos/zen-core/model_expansions/
@@rolandglobal Thks yep i'm on it , will try to review those really deserves more lights for real , small question : is there a way to edit category when writing a presets , didn't managed to get it (can edit name and where to write but no editing of category ) , also request : 1) Drums : please multi outs (16 or 12 outputs) 2) Arepggiator or step squencer for zen pro and expansions 3) Option to get a Whole Zen expansions as partial 4) 2 MFX for zenology pro and expansions . So fare really pleased with the direction you guyz have taken , a pure pleasure to use it , and it's the key !! inspiration and fun on the menu , with always usuable great results (pricelless)
The single mfx needs to be sorted ASAP. Combined or dual mfx don't cut it, a full effects chain is needed. Sythmaster One destroys Zenology when it comes to a fat lovely sound as does the System 8 plugin Roland makes itself.
It's all well and good coming out with these products, but I'm going to say this to all who read this and I no longer care. Roland as a manufacturer has deliberately ignored the requests of blind and visually impaired musicians, producers, etc, for accessibility support for both software and hardware. If anyone from Roland reads this, certain departments have been sent emails from e officially and you have ignored them. You've been offered a unique opportunity and a chance to improve the lives of musicians with sight impairments or blindness ever since you decided to go "touch screen based" and also since the launch of the "Roland Cloud", but you went by "design by committee" and have ignored all requests and supporting documentation, etc to make a difference. You're loosing customers just to feed platinum record label producers dripping with enough gold to pay off the world debt twice over :) so, please, fix this, sooner rather than later. Your new fantom is a sexy instrument, I'd love to own and use one, but you prevented me from even doing that, why? touch screen centres around all work done on the instrument, no easy way of navigation, etc, not even external software to connect to a mac running VoiceOver as a screen reader, nothing. so you lost customers like me. If you're a member of Roland staff, reply to this message.
Is there an arpegiator? The original hardware had an arpegiator... I can't find the arp in zenology? You keep "running a sequence". But I assume they're recorded midi loops. I want an arp I can sync with my DAW.
@@julien7365 sure, ive read everything. Note the word "compatible ". The x and xm are the only "compatible " synths for this software "expansion ", and they are already on the x and xm synths since they came out. I wish I was wrong. I look forward to being proven wrong..!..... But I'm not wrong. 🦄
Can someone from Roland tell us the difference between the Zenology Expansion (modern UI) and the Juno 106 VST (vintage UI) that is also offered by Roland? Which is closer to the original hardware sound-wise? Aside from the UI, what makes these two VST variations different from each other?
thi is confusing as fuck... i have roland cloud ultimate...so is this a second jupiter 8 or juno emulation... i dont see this in zenology but as a seperate plugins with the keyboard GUI....of the original jupiter 8 juno ec... iv upgraded and in zenology the bank dont appear
The older brothers, Juno 6 and Juno 60 had much faster attack envelope which gave them a great clicky attack. Due to the difference, 106 has always been the least preferred among the three despite the MIDI capability. Thanks to being a software, now you can have it all
We'd love to put you in contact with our support team. Head over to this page www.roland.com/backstage/#/login Once there you'll be asked to create an account and register your product. Once you login you'll get access to our support team. Kind regards, The Roland Social Team
You already dropped AIRA, so why should I buy the newest buzz word? First update the System-8 so I can have more than 64 patches per engine. RAM isn't that expensive these days.
When you install the Zenology JX-8P, remember to try layering two instances of it in your DAW to make a JX-10 (Super JX). I recommend selecting preset 44 in one and 77 in the other to showcase its power
Please make only hardware ANALOG synths, the REAL thing sounds better not emulations. Bring back a real analog Jupiter, Juno, 808, 909, TB-303 etc. Keep making softwares as well, there is market available for software fans. Thank you!
Emulations have their place, I have analog gear and there isn't always a great big difference between the two, a lot of the time you have to add effects to make analog sound good.
@@maccagrabme You need a very good set of speakers, or a new pair of ears! Emulations, softwares maximize the profit margin of the companies while keeping the street prices low so the companies attract more consumers to boost their sales. They are not good it's the marketing and the way the companies promote their products and makes consumers think, that emulations & softwares are good....
I've used Zenology for three months, it's a kitchen sink full of lots of different sounds but is all honesty I can't put my finger on it but so far I've not found something truly inspiring. The actual older plugin emulations (non Zenology) of the Juno and Jupiter sound so much better than these new model expansion synths within Zenology. The System 8 is a thing of beauty and always inspires me. Roland should never have dropped Aria Zenology just seems to lack vibe and that organic sound. Also the way it handles the built effect is just a bit limited and no reverb yet?! Really? These model expansions just don't sound as good as the plug outs of the Juno and Jupiter. The new ui is so dumbed down and limited. If the other plugins were cheaper I'd buy them in a heartbeat, gets my goat that the System 8, original Juno and Jupiter are only included in the $20 tier which I feel is just too much to justify.
It's worth the cash, not worth scrimping or arguing about it as life is too short. You will get a lot more productivity for a bit more, I had Pro, it was cool but even though I have a system8 still wanted the convenience of multiple instances so gave in and went ultimate.. I think zenology is great my only gripe is there should be more presets on the models but pro is coming out soon.
What is "compatible zencore hardware "? Come on, tell us please.... and the answer is.....! 1. Roland Jupiter x.... yep, thats it. Just the x and xm. And that's because the Jupiter x and xm come already loaded with these "expansion models " since first release. How about other "compatible zencore synths"? Nope, there aren't any. Fantom? Nope, not compatible. Mc series? Nope. Rd88 Stage piano? Nope etc. Ok! Welcome to the world of roland fantom (haha) marketing which is all about giving the impression that you're gonna get something that isn't actually true and hiding real information or not giving it at all. So, the zencore juno 106 expansion is NOT available for any hardware that wasn't supplied with it since new. So this is not actually an expansion at all. Its a software instrument on the roland cloud platform. Nothing else. Shame.
That would just make piracy easy, that's why most unpirated plugins involve DRM, is it annoying, yes. But maybe if no one cracked in an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue
@@illford DRM nor any other copy protection scheme never ever stopped software exchange. yet still inventors get payed. but DRM is the worst of all so far, since they use it AGAINST YOU, THE CUSTOMER to RESTRICT YOUR RIGHTS. Go try to reuse your purchase on another device, or try to resell it like you would with an old used synth hardware. oh you cant , can you ?! too bad for you. since you support them to RESTRICT YOUR OWN RIGHTS. So i say f.ck them! my money goes into things and software I WILL OWN and can do with it what ever the f.ck i want.
@@AxelWerner You can install these plugins on multiple devices. Why do you think you can't? Also, when you "buy software" you simply purchase a license to use it as outlined in the EULA. You don't own anything...and how you pay for that license does not define its use or restrictions.
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My first synth (Juno-106) immortalized in digital form.
I LOVE my Roland Cloud investment. I still use my classic hardware synths, but it’s so nice having these all living inside my DAW computer. ❤️😊
Many of Roland patches provide magical emotions that you just don't get other places.
True
Fantasia from the D50/D70 !
Excellent.......
Another one knocked outta the park.....I owned a Juno-60 and 106.........I put a few patches to the test from those times and genres and to say it put a smile on my face is wonderful....I started out in venues like a mini Howard Jones at 15yrs of age playing pubs and clubs until releasing my 1st album which had a Roland JD-800 and D-70 I programmed for the entire album.......Thank You Roland family...... for the amazing instruments and tools both past and present....5 stars from me*****I have a new album out soon....it has little bit more Roland in it to....Cheers :-)
this is splendid!
Make expansion patches exportable to MC 707 please !
Im getting the feeling we got scammed by roland
Cant see that happening, they want to sell their Jupiter X
The first (and favorite) synth I ever purchased!!! I composed and performed the song "Gaining Momentum" for MC Hammer on it. The bass, synths in the breakdown and synth solo are all done with the Juno 106!🤩💯❗❗
I've always wanted to work with MC Hammer
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
thats how love sounds
Sounds nice. Can the user change the bright red skin colour to something softer? My eyes are already redded out enough with my JD-Xa.
I feel the same, also being a JD-XA owner - the LEDs are nice but the labeling leaves something to be desired. Fortunately I probably won't be using the Zenology Juno-106 much as I prefer a thicker sound, such as what you can get out of the Zenology JX-8P (especially when you layer two instances to make a JX-10)
Please do a comparison of both!
No point really, we know what these emulations sound like, its abut as good as its going to get for some time and easily good enough to work with in a track. The originals still have the edge but for most music you dont need it.
Is really amazing!
please can we have the Zenology on the iPad and not within Zenology similar to what you have on the computer
I'm confused. Are these models different than than models with the original hardware user interface or do they sound different?
Patches can be send to system 8 ?
Is the Juno ds compatible with Zen?
How do I get the new design in my Zenology Pro?
did u find out how
One of the biggest mysteries of Roland: Why cloning the 106 and not the 6 or 60, which sounded way better.
Owning the 60, I guess it's more difficult for them to clone that warm, organic sound. Easier to clone the 106, which has a cleaner (but good) sound
JU-06A has a model of the JUNO-60.
They may want to create another similar VST, they already did in hardware (boutique) version. There are so many similar JV/XV plugins in cloud. It could be just one plugin with all the wavesforms from base maschine and expansions.
Great work behind the Zenology platform. Probably some sounds are thin because we don’t have the right dacs. I think Roland hw instruments have some analog circuits not available also in the modern audio boards. To make the Zenology sounds fat and punchy I have to add a compressor an exciter and an eq. This is the analog behavior we don’t have within our audio devices. For example Diva or Re-Pro 1 sound bigger an fatter compared to the Zenology va analog presets because they have some punchy effects (not exposed) simulating the analog output.
Totally agree that Zenology lacks punch and fatness for the reasons you say. It should sound fat and punchy out of the box.
Not noticed lack of punchiness but I'm using a roland quad capture which has good low end. Diva sound good but never really liked it as much as the Roland cloud stuff. Repro is nice though but to be fair the effects are already built in.
When compatible with MC707? Bought the 707 cause roland gave the idea that MC101 and 707 also were going to be compatible.
How do you even install and use Zenology? I've installed it from roland cloud manager, but I can't see any vst, no folders on my computer, it says it's installed in the unistall manager, but can't see shit... I end up clicking it in the manager from the library and it just takes me to the software page...
Maybe it’s because it’s a vst3 plugin and your daw doesn’t support this?
Exellent review , do we have to buy zenology Pro first or this comes with the player ?
This is a model zenology expansion so you would have to purchase zenology. Here is more information: www.roland.com/global/promos/zen-core/model_expansions/
@@rolandglobal Thks yep i'm on it , will try to review those really deserves more lights for real , small question : is there a way to edit category when writing a presets , didn't managed to get it (can edit name and where to write but no editing of category ) , also request :
1) Drums : please multi outs (16 or 12 outputs)
2) Arepggiator or step squencer for zen pro and expansions
3) Option to get a Whole Zen expansions as partial
4) 2 MFX for zenology pro and expansions .
So fare really pleased with the direction you guyz have taken , a pure pleasure to use it , and it's the key !! inspiration and fun on the menu , with always usuable great results (pricelless)
Why only one mfx per patch in 2020 ? It would be great to have deley or reverb on top of juno chorus....
I think thats coming in Pro Zenology.
@@maccagrabme I doubt, becouse pro zenology would be incompatible with Jupiter X, Xm, Fantom and other Zen based hardware. But who knows...
I'm sure there are combination options already
@@muaddib667 yes, there are, but it is not as flexible as two independent fx units. I'm pretty sure that there is no combination with juno chorus.
The single mfx needs to be sorted ASAP. Combined or dual mfx don't cut it, a full effects chain is needed. Sythmaster One destroys Zenology when it comes to a fat lovely sound as does the System 8 plugin Roland makes itself.
It's all well and good coming out with these products, but I'm going to say this to all who read this and I no longer care. Roland as a manufacturer has deliberately ignored the requests of blind and visually impaired musicians, producers, etc, for accessibility support for both software and hardware. If anyone from Roland reads this, certain departments have been sent emails from e officially and you have ignored them. You've been offered a unique opportunity and a chance to improve the lives of musicians with sight impairments or blindness ever since you decided to go "touch screen based" and also since the launch of the "Roland Cloud", but you went by "design by committee" and have ignored all requests and supporting documentation, etc to make a difference. You're loosing customers just to feed platinum record label producers dripping with enough gold to pay off the world debt twice over :) so, please, fix this, sooner rather than later. Your new fantom is a sexy instrument, I'd love to own and use one, but you prevented me from even doing that, why? touch screen centres around all work done on the instrument, no easy way of navigation, etc, not even external software to connect to a mac running VoiceOver as a screen reader, nothing. so you lost customers like me. If you're a member of Roland staff, reply to this message.
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Is there an arpegiator? The original hardware had an arpegiator... I can't find the arp in zenology?
You keep "running a sequence". But I assume they're recorded midi loops.
I want an arp I can sync with my DAW.
Hi Dylan, there is no arp, the original doesn’t have an arp either.
Agreed. This would have been perfect if it had the arp as well. Roland Cloud's own Juno 106 instrument has the arpeggiator..
When will the export to hardware option be available?
This is pre supplied from new with jup x and xm.
Not compatible with the others, fantom etc.
Its a software instrument, not an expansion.
@@christianthompson1473 From the website : Model Expansions work in your DAW via ZENOLOGY-and will soon enhance compatible Roland ZEN-Core hardware
@@julien7365 sure, ive read everything. Note the word "compatible ". The x and xm are the only "compatible " synths for this software "expansion ", and they are already on the x and xm synths since they came out.
I wish I was wrong.
I look forward to being proven wrong..!.....
But I'm not wrong. 🦄
@@christianthompson1473 You're right! but also the fantom can get expansions as well.
@@tuneunleashed indeed, fantom has the glorious super natural expansions...👍
Can someone from Roland tell us the difference between the Zenology Expansion (modern UI) and the Juno 106 VST (vintage UI) that is also offered by Roland? Which is closer to the original hardware sound-wise? Aside from the UI, what makes these two VST variations different from each other?
Far easier on CPU
Is this software run on your PC?
Yes, in a DAW
I have it!
Is it possible to use it with a mc101. Al they say is that it can be used wit compatible zen core hardware.
Not at the moment.
Fuck yes!
thi is confusing as fuck... i have roland cloud ultimate...so is this a second jupiter 8 or juno emulation... i dont see this in zenology but as a seperate plugins with the keyboard GUI....of the original jupiter 8 juno ec... iv upgraded and in zenology the bank dont appear
LOVE this module in Zenology. One thing that would make this perfect is the Juno 106 Arpeggiator. Is that not provided in this module expansion?
i have the E. boards in my Fantom and the arpeggiator works great with the Juno sounds
i can hear a sort of click before sound.... but i can't on my original vintage juno 106
The older brothers, Juno 6 and Juno 60 had much faster attack envelope which gave them a great clicky attack. Due to the difference, 106 has always been the least preferred among the three despite the MIDI capability. Thanks to being a software, now you can have it all
I hate Subscriptions. I rather just purchase a full license for a VST
Taller de Sonido Thank you. I wasn't aware that was an option until you told Me. Now it's a win!
Let me BUY the ones i want.
Individual license without membership is available for purchase now if you prefer.
@@BrandonRyan You still have to be online and run Roland Cloud Manager to use plugins...
DONT PAY FOR SOFTWARE/HARDWARE YOU WONT OWN! SAY NO TO ANY DIGITAL RESTRICTION MANAGEMENT (DRM)
So if you can't afford it you shouldn't have it at all right? You're an idiot. Rent it until you can buy it.
Model expansions for the 707 please. The way you marketed the 707 was
like the model expansions would be a part of the 707. Very misleading
Thanks!!
Zenology is cool but legendary series in the Roland Cloud are such a CPU killer. Ive bought but i could not use them becase they are hard on CPU.
We'd love to put you in contact with our support team.
Head over to this page www.roland.com/backstage/#/login
Once there you'll be asked to create an account and register your product. Once you login you'll get access to our support team.
Kind regards,
The Roland Social Team
Just make the original again there's notting like hardware synths infact make the entire juno series
You already dropped AIRA, so why should I buy the newest buzz word?
First update the System-8 so I can have more than 64 patches per engine. RAM isn't that expensive these days.
We need the Roland jx8p in Roland cloud
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When you install the Zenology JX-8P, remember to try layering two instances of it in your DAW to make a JX-10 (Super JX). I recommend selecting preset 44 in one and 77 in the other to showcase its power
Tell the narrator to shut up and let the sounds play!!😂
I pay a million just to know when Roland will produce the brand new 76 keys arranger keyboard !!!!
Roland Fantom 7? I can link you to my paypal. USD, please.
Hexspa No
Hexspa i said arranger keyboard !!! Fantom is workstation
@@MohammedElSanousi What's the difference?
@@Hexspa Auto accompaniment.
Please make only hardware ANALOG synths, the REAL thing sounds better not emulations. Bring back a real analog Jupiter, Juno, 808, 909, TB-303 etc. Keep making softwares as well, there is market available for software fans. Thank you!
You can buy the JD-XA like I did
@@ShimronElit Isnt that a bit limiting with 4 voices?
Emulations have their place, I have analog gear and there isn't always a great big difference between the two, a lot of the time you have to add effects to make analog sound good.
@@maccagrabme yes, there are better value options if you only want analog hardware, such as the DeepMind 12D.
@@maccagrabme You need a very good set of speakers, or a new pair of ears! Emulations, softwares maximize the profit margin of the companies while keeping the street prices low so the companies attract more consumers to boost their sales. They are not good it's the marketing and the way the companies promote their products and makes consumers think, that emulations & softwares are good....
I've used Zenology for three months, it's a kitchen sink full of lots of different sounds but is all honesty I can't put my finger on it but so far I've not found something truly inspiring.
The actual older plugin emulations (non Zenology) of the Juno and Jupiter sound so much better than these new model expansion synths within Zenology. The System 8 is a thing of beauty and always inspires me. Roland should never have dropped Aria
Zenology just seems to lack vibe and that organic sound. Also the way it handles the built effect is just a bit limited and no reverb yet?! Really? These model expansions just don't sound as good as the plug outs of the Juno and Jupiter. The new ui is so dumbed down and limited.
If the other plugins were cheaper I'd buy them in a heartbeat, gets my goat that the System 8, original Juno and Jupiter are only included in the $20 tier which I feel is just too much to justify.
It's worth the cash, not worth scrimping or arguing about it as life is too short. You will get a lot more productivity for a bit more, I had Pro, it was cool but even though I have a system8 still wanted the convenience of multiple instances so gave in and went ultimate.. I think zenology is great my only gripe is there should be more presets on the models but pro is coming out soon.
What is "compatible zencore hardware "?
Come on, tell us please.... and the answer is.....!
1. Roland Jupiter x.... yep, thats it. Just the x and xm.
And that's because the Jupiter x and xm come already loaded with these "expansion models " since first release.
How about other "compatible zencore synths"? Nope, there aren't any.
Fantom? Nope, not compatible.
Mc series? Nope. Rd88
Stage piano? Nope etc.
Ok! Welcome to the world of roland fantom (haha) marketing which is all about giving the impression that you're gonna get something that isn't actually true and hiding real information or not giving it at all.
So, the zencore juno 106 expansion is NOT available for any hardware that wasn't supplied with it since new. So this is not actually an expansion at all.
Its a software instrument on the roland cloud platform. Nothing else.
Shame.
Is this true? I was hoping these patches could be loaded onto mc707...
It's also a big f*** you to the people who spent 2500 on a Jupiter x.
@@Oblique331 nope. Welcome to the temporary, fine print-based, deceptive Roland cataclysm. They are currently referring to it as an "ecosystem"
@@MajorOSC or 3k on a fantom
Christian Thompson Not true. Do a little research.
No DRM! So no thanks
That would just make piracy easy, that's why most unpirated plugins involve DRM, is it annoying, yes. But maybe if no one cracked in an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue
@@illford DRM nor any other copy protection scheme never ever stopped software exchange. yet still inventors get payed. but DRM is the worst of all so far, since they use it AGAINST YOU, THE CUSTOMER to RESTRICT YOUR RIGHTS. Go try to reuse your purchase on another device, or try to resell it like you would with an old used synth hardware. oh you cant , can you ?! too bad for you. since you support them to RESTRICT YOUR OWN RIGHTS. So i say f.ck them! my money goes into things and software I WILL OWN and can do with it what ever the f.ck i want.
@@AxelWerner You can install these plugins on multiple devices. Why do you think you can't? Also, when you "buy software" you simply purchase a license to use it as outlined in the EULA. You don't own anything...and how you pay for that license does not define its use or restrictions.
Iv'e got the original hardware no need for this lol
Wobbafaat
Same here but I don't want to turn on a 40 Yr old synth to dabble. I will switch on the OG when the song requires it.
Then why are you here, no one asked you to comment. Your just trying to flex