@@Martin.Lewis.. I've ridden thoroughbreds since I was 5, have ridden in a charity race a Newbury and been involved in racing for over 40 years, so feel I know enough to make a judgement. I'd expect nothing less from the 2nd best jockey in the world riding for one of the best stables. Just like the tale, Troy is wooden and will not be suited to dirt tracks in USA and hope he doesn't get a sticky end like Landseer or Hawkwing
Mssrs Gredley need to admit they made a wrong call and put a winning jockey (Callum Shepherd) back on Ambiente Friendly. To persist in a losing jockey is a sign of either a losing mentality or mental illness.
COT was very green and only seemed to go into top gear crossing the finish line. Looked like he was just cantering up until 50 yards to go where he kicked into turbo. AF got the perfect trip so no excuses. Cot extending lead through the line. Stablemate Illinois who was ckearly gaining fast on AF in 1m 3f trial maybe the only horse to get within 5 lengths of COT this year. Clearly now COT will be pointed to Breeder's cup classic as he has won everything on turf.
A champion 2yo still "Green" after running a stinker in the 2000 guineas and improves roughly 40lbs in 3 weeks. Come on lads use your heads there are other forces at play here. Ask j bolger 😉😉. The same stunt has been pulled two years in a row.
This was not a strong derby at all. Best horse won but he was 8-10 lengths better on 2yr old form to any rivals in this race. Was a poor field that lacked quality and depth.
@@PazLeBon yes its a legacy race all that breeding is great but what im saying as a race not the best just gets hyped up as for the same reasons u have mentioned breeding is the main reason its a race for that not for horse racing
COT has clearly won everything on turf and without even getting into top gear early in 3 years old career. Has to be BREEDER'S CUP CLASSIC now. He has nothing else to prove on turf.
Your absolutely correct why they changed the jockey is unbelievable and considering the ride he gave Af it's no wonder he's never won around Epsom. Dreadful.
Ambient friends had 3 furlongs and was well beaten with COT extending lead crossing line. COT raced cert green in fact. I suspect AF was a worry if he could stay over 1m 4f. As illinois obeein other horse would clearly have beaten him in trial if 1m 4f over
Watch the race again, you're talking rubbish. Watching the race I was thinking Rab was sitting for too long, I could see COT coming down the inside with a run. But, when Rab pulled him out past the loose horse, he initially gained on COT and got to his quarters before COT pulled away from him. Rab Havlin gave AF a tactically copybook ride, he was where he needed to be right through the race. He was simply beaten by a better horse.
Sore loser. AF probably saving ground because it couldn't stay 1m 4f. Clearly another sore loser English punter who would back a xamel rather than an coolmore horse. Keep losing. I knew from trial that AF would not stay 1m 4f. Another 20 yards and illinois ( O'brien second string) would have passed him.
@@Im_not-the_father i think they were right to have ?'s but he was 15ib clear on ratings. they were in tricky position, if toppe dhimand he ran bad.... :)
@@PazLeBon my point exactly... tipping the best horse in the race to not run a place in a race takes some doing... and these so-called experts did it in shocking numbers and lost a lot of punters their hard earned money.... CoT was literally the elephant in the room and all chose to ignore him
@@Im_not-the_father he simply was not backable on his last run, very backable without that. persoanly i can forgive a horse one bad race even tho that was particularly terriblm but it would be a bit crazy to suggest he showed he was as good as ever. . Theres absolitely both valid views to it
There are plenty of much older horses still in training but at this moment in time I can't think of any of them that would be able to give him weight and a beating. The only horse he might have problems beating is Opera Singer who hasn't been stepped up in distance yet but is almost certainly capable of performing to a much higher standard once she is extended out to those middle distances. I wouldn't be confident that COT could give her 5 pounds.
Colt by Justify wins on gd to soft with a lead from the loose horse. Winning time: 2m 38.32s (slow by 3.12s) data from RP.
What’s your data when riding please?
@@Martin.Lewis.. I've ridden thoroughbreds since I was 5, have ridden in a charity race a Newbury and been involved in racing for over 40 years, so feel I know enough to make a judgement. I'd expect nothing less from the 2nd best jockey in the world riding for one of the best stables. Just like the tale, Troy is wooden and will not be suited to dirt tracks in USA and hope he doesn't get a sticky end like Landseer or Hawkwing
@@anotherblonde 38.32s is one of the slowest times ever.
@@anotherblonde what you waffling about mate?
@@galdessa1 err yeah it was a slow track
Mssrs Gredley need to admit they made a wrong call and put a winning jockey (Callum Shepherd) back on Ambiente Friendly. To persist in a losing jockey is a sign of either a losing mentality or mental illness.
They wernt wrong
COT was very green and only seemed to go into top gear crossing the finish line. Looked like he was just cantering up until 50 yards to go where he kicked into turbo.
AF got the perfect trip so no excuses. Cot extending lead through the line. Stablemate Illinois who was ckearly gaining fast on AF in 1m 3f trial maybe the only horse to get within 5 lengths of COT this year. Clearly now COT will be pointed to Breeder's cup classic as he has won everything on turf.
what? he literally took off like 4 furlongs out
A champion 2yo still "Green" after running a stinker in the 2000 guineas and improves roughly 40lbs in 3 weeks. Come on lads use your heads there are other forces at play here. Ask j bolger 😉😉. The same stunt has been pulled two years in a row.
Looked like the winner when he was being tacked up .pure class ❤
This was not a strong derby at all. Best horse won but he was 8-10 lengths better on 2yr old form to any rivals in this race. Was a poor field that lacked quality and depth.
Clown
not poor at all, just not great
derby has always been an over hype race imo it like gold cup
@@hewoguys2506 lol. 2 of thwe oldest greatest races in history , thats led to winners breeding winners; hard to undrerstand that viewpoint
@@PazLeBon yes its a legacy race all that breeding is great but what im saying as a race not the best just gets hyped up as for the same reasons u have mentioned breeding is the main reason its a race for that not for horse racing
COT has clearly won everything on turf and without even getting into top gear early in 3 years old career. Has to be BREEDER'S CUP CLASSIC now.
He has nothing else to prove on turf.
2nd horse let the winner go 2 lenghts clear when cantering, serves the owner right for changing jockeys.
Your absolutely correct why they changed the jockey is unbelievable and considering the ride he gave Af it's no wonder he's never won around Epsom. Dreadful.
Ambient friends had 3 furlongs and was well beaten with COT extending lead crossing line. COT raced cert green in fact. I suspect AF was a worry if he could stay over 1m 4f. As illinois obeein other horse would clearly have beaten him in trial if 1m 4f over
Watch the race again, you're talking rubbish. Watching the race I was thinking Rab was sitting for too long, I could see COT coming down the inside with a run. But, when Rab pulled him out past the loose horse, he initially gained on COT and got to his quarters before COT pulled away from him.
Rab Havlin gave AF a tactically copybook ride, he was where he needed to be right through the race. He was simply beaten by a better horse.
Sore loser. AF probably saving ground because it couldn't stay 1m 4f. Clearly another sore loser English punter who would back a xamel rather than an coolmore horse. Keep losing.
I knew from trial that AF would not stay 1m 4f. Another 20 yards and illinois ( O'brien second string) would have passed him.
@@stephenc6597 he got beat comfotabl tbfy and second was given a great ride from haxlin, just a clear fact we all see except sore losers
Keep Royal Scotsman in one piece & send him over for the BC Mile
Liberty lad stable mate got no run at all
Kudos to you Angus! You were the only one who stuck with him💯
no he wasnt :) he was fav lol
@@PazLeBon I'm not talking from a punters perspective, I'm talking about these so-called experts
@@Im_not-the_father i think they were right to have ?'s but he was 15ib clear on ratings. they were in tricky position, if toppe dhimand he ran bad.... :)
@@PazLeBon my point exactly... tipping the best horse in the race to not run a place in a race takes some doing... and these so-called experts did it in shocking numbers and lost a lot of punters their hard earned money.... CoT was literally the elephant in the room and all chose to ignore him
@@Im_not-the_father he simply was not backable on his last run, very backable without that. persoanly i can forgive a horse one bad race even tho that was particularly terriblm but it would be a bit crazy to suggest he showed he was as good as ever. . Theres absolitely both valid views to it
Havlin have no experience
There are plenty of much older horses still in training but at this moment in time I can't think of any of them that would be able to give him weight and a beating. The only horse he might have problems beating is Opera Singer who hasn't been stepped up in distance yet but is almost certainly capable of performing to a much higher standard once she is extended out to those middle distances. I wouldn't be confident that COT could give her 5 pounds.
going to be hard to beat
pleny of 3 year olds to worry about yet, it was an average derby , rating given wasnt that great
@@PazLeBon speed figure says its above average
@@paulrichards6894 it was a slow race on slow groun so not sure they tell us much tbf
Ezeliya looked a better bet for the arc than CoT, i would say she is better
Wait until he gets good/ good to firm going. A different beast then I think.
Time will tell..... hopefully
whu? cot? he dont want it firm
HE CANT RUN FAST BUT HE RUNS STRONG, COULDNT GO THE PACE EARLY :) DAMED CAPS LOCK
Change the video speed to .25 last few furlongs see the horse all over the place rusn moore leaning away to his left
are you feeling well?
Nothing epic about it whatsoever worst Derby field since Sir Percy horrendous stuff
😂😂😂😂😂
Cry some more
think he may turn out a decent derby winner
He's not really crying it was an awful derby field.
@@Rivelino824 speed figure good....
@@Rivelino824 think the winner is good the 2nd maybe top class at 10f but agree the rest are rubbish
Allgangsters
Algorithms
Shocker of a ride from Turner jockeys costing punters money every day with poor rides.
COSTING LOSERS MONEY NOT WINNERS
Havlin should have went for home much earlier instead of looking around might not have won but would have made a race of it
BORING crap
Bet he never wins again it’s a reality he’s a has been
You are going to loose a lot of money
Yep ur gonna be throwing bet slips away my friend
Plus I would say O’Brien is a better judge and he says he’s the best they have ever had that’s saying something!!!!!
What reality would that be then? Your alternative reality. Jeez!
@@thecritic81 HE ALREADY DOES