2012 Fisker Karma - Jay Leno's Garage
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2012
- 2012 Fisker Karma. Jay gets the inside story of the new extended range electric Fisker, from the man who designed it, Henrik Fisker.
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2012 Fisker Karma - Jay Leno's Garage
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I work at a Chevron. One of these rolled up to my store about a year back and I spoke to the older gentleman who owned it. We spoke for about 20 minutes before he decided to tell me he is the co-founded of the company Fisker alongside this dude right here.
Pretty cool moment for me.
Did they show you how to file bankruptcy?
@@mr.rochester1857 that was the Chinese stealing technology in American courts under the watchful eye of then vice-president Jo Biden
The battery company issue that led to Fisker’s bankruptcy went under Chinese ownership - and the same Chinese company acquired the carcass of the Fisker and renamed it karma
the difficult closing trunk was an omen for the build quality plague. You can see how quickly Henrik reached for the lid as Jay went to close it to hide the problem.
Lol it def didn’t close after the 1st slam 2, he had to do it again - even harder than J’s 1st try 😋
This car is gorgeous....IMO it's one of the coolest looking cars around.
Walter White he might be a scammer, but the car certainly isn’t ugly.
Still 10y after it’s intro & better than it’s replacement the Karma Revero.
@@1stmidnight565 it wasn't a scam. They were just incompetent at making cars
@@thesteelrodent1796 they weren't even incompentent. Their battery maker filed bankruptcy and they couldn't finish the cars on the assembly...just got screwed. If that didn't happen, they would still be in business today
@@427motorsportllc3 To make matters worse, Tesla filled a lawsuit against them 4 years before they released the Karma. They also had a warehouse disaster from Hurricane Sandy, which costed them millions out of pocket. So they had a very rocky start, and ended as a disaster unfortunately. The car itself was a neat idea, but not many people had $100k to blow on a new Fisker. I feel like if the car was at least $40k cheaper, they would’ve sold a lot more. As at the time, a new Model S was $60k. Therefore, the Model S was more appealing to consumers. Though in my opinion, the Fisker was Tesla’s answer to range anxiety. I always dubbed this car “an exotic Chevy Volt”, because it really is 😂
That video was shot six years ago and I just watched it. It's a historical document. One of the top car designers in the world and Jay to keep the interview grounded. Sort of. Very enjoyable!
And you made this comment 5 years ago and I just read it now. Time flies :(
I was extremely impressed when this car came out and I saw one for the first time. It sounded like a space craft hovering in the air or something, it felt surreal. And the interior was the best looking I have ever seen.
someone needs to make a video of Jay just closing hoods on all the cars...priceless
Seen this car close-up yesterday for the first time as I drove my clients to pick it up from the dealership. It is breathtakingly beautiful. Superb design and craftmanship.
Isn’t it a Chinese car now?
Build quality problems plagued these, not sure if you can cash that "craftsmanship" check. I will agree though, that Fisker had a really good eye for how to make a car sexy. It's so gorgeous.
@@marcopolo8584its built poorley and doesn't even look good its ugly 🤷♂️
@@12LOGIC12 says the dude that has probably never seen one, and will never be able to afford one either.
I still like physical controls inside a car - you can operate them by feel because they're always in the same place and don't have to take your eyes off the road. I hate the idea of having to scroll through multiple interfaces on a touch screen to find the control I need.
Yup. We are in a knobless world.
There's a knob in the driver seat of every Karma.
lmao, took me a second to get. i was like "nah you're thinking about the Pagani Huayra" but i caught on
Lol you mean there's a knob in every Tesla...
You say that because that is what you are use to. I have been driving my Tesla for over 1 year now and I can say that all of those buttons and knobs are a thing of the past. The Tesla touchscreen and interface is superior and easier than buttons and knobs. It makes every other car look and feel bad.
This car is even more gorgeous in person!
I just saw my first Fisker at a Cars and Coffee event that had everything from Ferrari's and McClaren's, Lambo's, Porche's down to 32 Fords and everything in between and the Fisker was one of the slickest looking cars there. And at the time 10/24/21 it looked like a car that you could buy today. By that I mean nothing about it, inside or out would leave you to believe that this car was from 2012. Just a gorgeous looking low sitting car with beautiful curves. It's a shame that they didn't last but one year and not get to see how far this car could have evolved.
Fiskers dont make noises wen they start up, jus so you know
Gambino!!
M3Rk Savage
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thats a lie.... they do make noise, UNLESS YOURE IN TOTAL STEALTH MODE. . I have one.
@@Mr.Chris.P.Bacon1 Do you still have it?
@@averyc5349 nope. Sold it and got an M4
Jay is always impressed by a light hood lol
Every time. Lol
Love the Karma and actually want one. Henrik Fisker the THE man when it comes to automotive design!!
Leno shows appreciation:
"You have come a long way since breaking my gearshift"
imo one of the most beautiful 4-doors ever made. right up there with the quattroporte, and much better looking than the panamera.
I love this car. Would love to see upgraded model in Jay Leno's garage.
LOVE the show Jay. Keep them up!!
This car is really beautiful design wise, the front end immediately reminded me of an Aston Martin just to find out this guy designed some of those! I think the solar panels atop these electric cars should be a must, ever since i think it was the prius had them i thought it was genius- not because it contributes meaningful energy to run the car itself but because it can be used to cool the cabin on a crazy hot day when the car is sitting in a parking lot just absorbing heat energy and not doing anything with it. Really even gas powered cars should have this feature, and at least lightly tinted windows as these have a huge effect on cabin temp as well.
It's funny how his accent shifts between scandinavian tongue fucking and laid back californian.
Drako GTE punching the air right now
Look where we are now. The ahead-of-its time Fisker Karma is the bones for a number of EV start-ups in a crowded luxury electric market.
Jay went easy on Henrik and the Fisker Karma.
Truly it blows the Tesla away for looks, that is one great looking vehicle ,Musk should go in with him and use fiskers designers.
Um. Fisker designs did the model s and musk sued them…over this car
I saw this at the LA Auto Show last week, unbelievably beautiful car in person and very well made.
its a great looking 4 door, probably one of the best 4 doors iv seen. congrats on following through your dream. he quite the designer, he has quite the eye.
It´s stunning as far as looks and design is concerned, plenty of new technology fitted in.
LOL...grabs the trunk out of Jays hand and SLAMS it twice! ...yeah stay away from v1.0
Never heard about this car but it's gorgeous and will be even more so in a 2-door version. I must admit though that the extra two dors are beautifully incorporated.
The video is 5 years old the company went bankrupt in 2014 i think and now has been resurectted
A few weeks ago I noticed someone driving a navy blue one of these here in Burlington, NC. I had no idea who made it until a friend of mine told me. Probably one of, or the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. The lines of this car are gorgeous. I look forward to bumping into this car on my way to, or from work. Always a sight to see. I heard the car failed because the makers of the batteries went bankrupt. Not sure if that's true, but what a shame. I knew Jay would have a video on it!!! Thanks Mr Leno!!
From my understanding, Henrik resigned from Fisker Automotive some time ago.
Thee most beautiful 4 door car ever created by man!!!
Seems Porsche bit this pretty hard.
My friends dad had one and just sold it recently for an Audi R8. It was a pretty cool car to go around in, plus the sound is quite cool and the way the dad customezed it made it look quite nice with a matte blue and gray mix
I really like that car, and I think it is commendable to see a car company take chances. Especially when the result is so extraordinary.
18:50 "this isn't a one-off..."
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand production ended that year when the company crashed.
Why would you put the exhaust right under the drivers window?
moesgymmom to heat the window! Duh!
Ali Abdallah 😂😂😂
To make it have suicide doors...
So the owner can sniff his cars farts? You know:
"them type"
*Putting the exhaust there was one of THEE DUMBEST design ideas in the history of car design.* Did you notice how he GLOSSED OVER the convo about the exhaust?
He designed some Astons, and the Z8, you say? It shows beautifully in this car!
jm0n55 henrik did. i worked with him at BMW before the left for Aston Martin
Saw you talking about it on Discovery Channel just yesterday. Great timing Jay!
At first glance, my first thought was I can see a BMW influence here, to me the front grill looks like a wider BMW Z8 with a similar, yet more stylised headlights...
The Fisker Karma is a lot better looking than the Tesla.
If only it also worked well.
Beauty is in the eye...The Fisker doesn't hold a candle to the Model S in every other aspect. Face it - Tesla has a head start on EV's more than any other.
It reminds me of Amidala's ship and a happy manta, with a RoboCop solar roof. Unfortunate exhaust placement, though. The generator and/or extra battery capacity should go in the back.
I disagree. This is a very attractive design, but Tesla has the cleanest most sleek designs in the world. Of course it's subjective. I like Teslas more compact style. The new Tesla roadster is one of the most beautiful cars of all time.
But that’s it.
Saw one at work, it was all matte black. Gorgeous car.
My buddy is one of 8 certified Techs in the world. To say hes frustrated at work is an understatement but they pay him well
Seen one of these in person
Its alot bigger then ive expected
+Major Lag I test drove one in 2014 while at a Cadillac dealer testing an ELR. It seemed like the interior was cheap and weird. I bought a fully loaded 2014 Volt which I have since traded for a 2014 ELR dealer car.
I've seen both Teslas and this car in person and the Karma looks way better.
+TheShowOff2I Me too. Tesla wins by far, IMHO
+vecernicek2 Tesla is a better car but I prefer the looks of the Kharma
TheShowOff2I Sure, you're free to like whatever you like :) I'm just sayin Tesla is a better car and I prefer the looks of Tesla :) Someone has said that best design is not when there's nothing to add, but when there's nothing to remove. To my eyes, there are lots of unnecessary lines and wobbles on Fisker that could have been removed. Tesla is much more minimalistic design, which I prefer. But I guess it's just a matter of taste.
He is one smart guy! I'd love to meet him, what great ideas he has, sorry there was so much trouble getting the batteries.
I love the car. Seen a couple in person and they are just gorgeous.
Too bad they aren't doing well. Really like this car. And technically it is an all electric car since the gas engine isn't connected to the wheels
If you put gas in it and it has electric motors, then it is a hybrid. It still pollutes. Simple as that.
The Tesla is much better.
***** but the tesla doesn't have a backup for when it runs out of charge
*****
Idk about you but I dont drive 265 miles (426 km) in a day.
40% of people could drive the fully loaded Tesla without changing their daily habits or routines. That will only go up from here. That is about 60% the range of a small hatch back and more than a Dodge Viper (which the Model S P85+ can beat in a 1/4 mile drag).
And if you use the regen braking properly, you can go much further than 265. 265 is the EPA rating. And if you factor in Tesla setting up all of the battery swap stations, then an even larger number of people will be able to use it daily.
It costs a lot but it is great value for what you get. Its supposed to be electric luxury, not a cheap hatchback. That is coming in 2017 (The Model C)
***** The fact that it has a gasoline engine doesn't make it a hybrid. A hybrid is a car that uses both a gasoline and electric ()in this case) powertrain to power the wheels. The gas motor doesn't power the wheels at all, and is never really needed when driving
NOLAItsNotOva By Google's and probably most other dictionaries, it is a hybrid.
a thing made by combining two different elements; a mixture.
Exotic looking but not an impressive product over all. Not remotely comparable to the Model S. And the front looks cheesy.
Bo McGillacutty Yeah you're right the Karma is not comparable to the Model S at all. The model S is the boring sensible daily driver you drive to work all week. This is the car you keep for the weekends to drive for fun and to be seen in.
neilcoo "Be seen in"? I guess but it sounds a lot more boring to drive then the Tesla and the Model S is one of the best looking cars out there in my opinion, but I obviously like clean, smooth and sensible.
Bo McGillacutty Personally I think sensible is way overrated.
neilcoo OK. But I love the "insane" acceleration potential of the higher performance S, not necessarily "sensible" but it's MY kind of 'nonsense'. Performance is everything and form follows function. I'm a little surprised that they haven't done away with side view mirrors in favor of nearly flush small cameras.
Bo McGillacutty I agree the P85D insane acceleration version is great but outright speed alone doesn't necessarily equate to a fun/good driving experience (ever been in an old MG at 50mph?), plus you're looking at a car that is over $120k. For most of us that's not a daily commuter car to be used up and thrown away, its a luxury toy for the weekends. And for that kinda money you could be buying something much more special, unique and fun such as a classic or used supercar.
This is a really beautiful car, the lines on it are amazing. It looks like a mix between a BMW Z8 and a Ferrari 458. I am a 454 LSX, gas guzzler, burnouts type guy myself but nice piece of tech here.
I'm from Iowa, we don't have many cool cars around here. I went on a vacation to California right around the time this car came out and I saw one of these cars at a visitor center in Yosemite national park. At that point in time, it was the coolest car I had ever seen.
now it's being sold for 30 thousand
And who’s buying it even for 30k, when you can buy a new model 3 for that price
@@andreispiridon3241 where can you get a model 3 for 30k? i want one
@@Ho11is2Ho11ywood yeah try to find one here in Ca. for that price!
I really like this car! I heard they went out of business due to battery manufacture issues. I hope another car manufacture like Tesla picks them up and correct the battery issue. we NEED a car like this around...
Would be a good idea!
Tesla would never help Fisker... This dude worked for tesla, he was a designer, he designed the model S and when he got fired for sharing info about tesla to GM he took all the "good drawings" with him to make his own car behind Tesla`s back, which honestly failed.... Im excited for the new EMotion, but Fisker will always only be in the shadow of tesla, its not even the shadow of tesla, cause fisker is a HUGE fail.
glad Henrik is giving it another go. Excited for the Ocean and Project Pear.
I literally just saw one on the road this afternoon and next thing i know this is on my RUclips feed! 0.o Wot in carnation...
I still want one of these BAD!
One for sale by me if your still interested
god i love that car
I like what this guy has done... Excellent.
I've heard of the Fisker Karma, but I've never seen one in person. It's a good looking car overall. I like the idea behind the features of the car.
I've never seen Jay so doubtful.
you can just see the build quality issues in this showcase car. the panel gaps and closing the hood..
the hood is a typical issue when you have 2 latches but they could have worked around and made it a single latch system if they cared to do so and yea its definitely not as high quality as Henrik marketed it to be. the headroom in that car is horrible. a good friend bought one new and i went to a restaurant with him the day after he picked it up and no joke he was going to sell it pretty soon after. like just got a car. getting tired of it the day he got it. tells me the next day, i sat in it and i had to have my seat back leaned further back than i like in order to be even remotely comfortable. and im 6' tall maybe 6' 2"
12:53 Door close. Sounds pretty tight to me.
10:05 Look at that gap at the fuel cap. You could see the gap on the trunk aswell clearly. Its massive for its class.
Jordiva Sunaryo
Well, 3 seconds later you see the dude push on it out of frame because maybe it simply wasn't latched. So from 13:30 on, you can see it many, many times again and it appears to be perfectly normal.
10:28
beautiful looking car
This car is ahead of the mayority of vehicles of the competency. Also looks pretty fine and is quite as well. So: I certainly wouldn't mind driving one of this in the future.👏👏👌
2018....the Fisker Resurfaced as the Revero Karma model, which looks just like the Original Fisker...most likely gone in a few years(again)
A Chinese company bought the assets of Fisker Automotive out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar. They have deep pockets, much better timing (in 2012, the country was still reeling from the financial crisis), and a cool looking concept. I actually think this could move forward this time around.
The big difference between the Model S and the Fisker Karma was the manufacturing, whereas Tesla choose to do it in-house Fisker choose to outsourced the manufacturing and it made a huge difference in the end! Also Tesla went all-in on 100% electric instead of going semi-electric and of course the Model S build in high-tech gadgets didn't hurt the success of the car either!
and the results showed which is better
The big difference is that there is “no comparison” from any angle
The big difference is that there is “no comparison” from any angle
Stunning car.
Jay love the vids keep it up
with as much money as jay leno has... you'd think he would go with something other than %100 denim
I guarantee that denim he wears costs more then an expensive suit. He probably has them custom made.
Beautiful car. I've seen it back in the day at SEMA. Too bad the car company had quality issues. It must be a pain to get repairs.
Gorgeous car! I cant wait for the relaunch!
this car solves the range issue with electric cars. beautiful. i would love to have one.
This comment section is just a bunch of internet experts taking sides between two geniuses.... sad
This video is - I believe - a bit behind the events of the day. Fisker went out of business about three years ago. They are trying to get some government subsidies and relaunch.
Also this is not new technology at all. In the Second World War Dr. Ferdinand Porsche created what he called an 'electric transmission'. There were two or more gasoline engines which powered four electric motors. There was no mechanical connection between the gas engines and the tracks. He had used this - the first hybrid - on his prototype for the Tiger tank. But it was rejected for the conventional Henschel design. This technique was also used on the giant tank destroyer the 'elefant'.
This video was posted in 2012
Mercer Byrd Thank you. I knew that. This is 2015 and I think Fisker is out of business.
How is this video "late " then if it came out in the karmas first year of production.
Mercer Byrd In the old days when we all read newspapers if you saw an article on the front page about some event you assumed that it had happened the day before - and it usually did. But today if you look up something of the Web you have to be careful. It may have taken place yesterday and it may have taken place a year ago. You need to check.
This video looks like it is a current event piece. It looks like the Fisker is a new vehicle that has just come out. But that's not the situation at all. Events have moved forward. Fisker was a new car with some new technology a couple years ago. In the meantime however the Fisker has gone bankrupt - or at least I think it has. It may have gotten some new government subsidy and is being sold again.
So what is the story here? Is the Fisker a new hope for the environment? Or is the Fisker another foolish dead end like Solyndra?
Patrick Boyle there is still an open fisker dealership a block away from my house.
This is really a very beautiful machine
One of the crazy looking car I have seen
Is it just me or does this look like shmee in ten years?
what do you mean the type of content or what?
i think he meant Henrik looks like what Shmee would possibly look like in 10 years.
And Jay looks like Doug Demuro in 30 years.
Maybe Jay is Doug´s real father - they also have same kind of voice.
michael mottlau : Jay is quite cool. And he uses less the word "quork".
....I’m thinking about it...I’m getting tempted.... I’m turning 40...... should I?????? ...... hhhhmmmm
DO IT!
Midlife crises for the win boys!
Love the Fisker Karma :) One of the first cars that was delivered was here in Denmark to the Royal Family. It's just pure awesome. Would love a Karma, a shame that they are very expensive here :(
One time I saw this car the third time on the road and it was next to me. On the green light it accelerated and you could hear the battery sound. its pretty cool. :)
Am i the only one that thinks this car looks like V for Vendetta?
No.
Fun fact:
The design of the Fisker was originally going to be the model s until he left to make it his own in a less successful way
yes very weird unknown fact I knew about this before but cool someone else knows
The Model S just looks better.
he didnt leave. he got fired. he was sharing information he was getting from Tesla with GM and Tesla brought him to court and if i remember right they won. meaning they proved he was being shady. im glad he didnt design the Tesla. the current designer is much better at it
Patrick Pelletier
Tesla actually loss and had to repay him back.
Haha so many people saying this
I like the Carabo lurking in the background.
My friends father has one in a dark red/maroon. Looks sicker in a darker color love this car. Future of automotive industry
This is a beautiful car, and Justin Bieber had to FUCKING RUIN IT BY CHROMING IT!
So true
Actually it was a gift given to him, he didn't buy or even chrome it. It was given to him like that.
The only reason he chrome it was because when the paparazzi tried to take pictures of him in the car they would only see there own reflection...
And by the way, it's not a great car... It'll burn to the ground in your driveway.
Heavier than an F-150, larger turning radius than a Silverado, less leg room than an A4, slower than a GTI, less EV range than a Volt, less extended range than a Volt. This car is such a dull thud on the history of the automobile. The Tesla is far superior in every measurable detail. I'd rather have an E-Golf for commuting and an Audi S6 Quattro for grand touring and still have cash leftover or a nice vacation in Fiji.
the Tesla is not cheap and at least in America your car is put on a waiting list x amount of time (usually around a year) and if I wanted a old fisker if I went on eBay motors I could pick one up for fifty thousand and the fisker aside from the McLaren P1 and McLaren F1 the fisker is the most striking and beautiful car I've ever seen the Tesla to me just screams another rich hippie in a car
the Fisker is the worst car ive ever been in. THE WORST and ive been in several. yea the Tesla aint cheap but this isnt worth 50 000$ if you're 5' 9" or especially 6' 2" you wont be comfortable
Drove the Volt (carshare) many times, it quickly runs out of electric power. Although it has enormous speed. There was nothing on the road I couldn't easily outrun, but It runs out of electric quickly and the gas engine kicks on (thank God), runs a little rougher, a little slower but I'm not stuck. Standing on the side of the road with no hope but a tow truck with a gorgeous Tesla, but no electric......bad look!
It is impossible to run out of charge in a Tesla accidentally. You would have to purposely try to run out of charge.
But it looks cool!
They look great
I like it! Didn't think I would. Can definitely see Fisker's Aston Martin pedigree in the car's lines.
Jay Leno was RELATIVELY QUIET in the car driving portion of the review...put it like this...he is trying to be nice.....but he doesn't like it.
i take this over tesla anytime
Tesla is superior in every way, so may I ask why? One could argue that this looks better than a Tesla (which is obviously subjective and Tesla's entire line is beautiful), but in no other way is this legitimately better than a Tesla, especially when it comes to performance.
I saw a tan one while I was vacation in San Francisco. Very cool car.
stunning car.
Jay knows that is a piece of crap but he's a nice guy 🤭
I own one of these and surprisingly it's my favorite every day driver that I've ever had. I get stopped every day by people who are amazed at how beautiful it is. The concept works well. It's quiet. It's totally unique. It's been great.
My dad just got one today...
Taylor Robertson so how is it one month later?
I haven't gotten to drive it unfortunatley, but it's great. In stealth mode, you can hardly hear it and it looks so exotic... sadly it's in storage so i don't see it often.
Taylor Robertson really like the design, shame no one picks it up and builds it again. People keep saying that Panamera is far better choice, but that thing is ugly compared to this beauty. (IMO) I read poor reliability is an issue, and the company did go down, so I suppose there is a reason for this.
Taylor Robertson in storage?! LOL what is the point of owning the car if nobody drives it.
wiselink it had been snowing a lot where i live, so that's why it was in storage... it's starting to warm up, so it is driven more now
Definitely a nice looking car. It looked to be very responsive. It would be nice to see some improvement in trunk space and cost but over all pretty nice
good job . i like it. maybe some day i will get one.
The depreciation value is ridiculous, buy them for $40k all day long
Jesse Martinez which is exactly what i did. 40k for a car with 18 thousand miles. great price for it but not 100k
ikr LMAO, there has been one Karma here for sale for around 60K dollars, been out for 3 years, still not sold. He has changed the price multiple times, but nobody wants it. www.finn.no/car/used/ad.html?finnkode=106208018
For those reading in the future, I’d like to add these cars are now being sold for $30-35k in my search
There was a nice one at a dealer auction this week. Couldn't get the bidding started at $22k. Nobody was interested.
OMGWTFLOL lmao that’s too bad
Ironically Karma is it's undoing. Fisker was originally designing this for Elon Musk's Tesla when he walked and took his designs with him. Pity for him. Elon for the win.
Yes I agree, as good as the model S is, it could have been a tad better in a Fisker design. there is still room for this to happen as Tesla's next sports luxury car in my opinion. Who know's it might, though I suspect Fisker has some serious humble pie to eat before this can happen.
Update to this: Fisker was bought by a Chinese company, and now this will definitely not be happening. However it doesn't matter, I am actually finding the Model S grow on me more every time I see it. It's a bit like an average looking guy walking down the street, no body cares, but the minute the girls find out he's rock star, or worth billions, all of a sudden he is incredibly good looking, well knowing what's under the hood of a Tesla makes it incredibly attractive also. The almost graceful minimalist approach with large clean powerful lines and a luxury sized stance only adds to it's commanding presence.
It definitely will be happening because the Chinese will be mass producing it and bringing down the price like the do everything else. We are getting our butts kicked in manufacturing in the US. Did you see the latest Chinese made airliner? Boeing and Airbus now have competition.
Element X Elon sued Fisker for taking his best ideas for the Karma. He lost and had to pay Fisker's legal fees.
@@dougswamprat5275 But yet... See which company is still relevant today... Fisker was a fail.
I love the interior
I remember seeing this car on an episode of "Mac Miller and The Most Dope Family" on Mtv. He got one as a gift for winning some award and he was all stoked about it then it broke down in the middle of the freeway during LA rush hour traffic on the way from the dealership. I did see one in person and it looked a lot cooler than on a screen I must say though.
Anybody who tries to rip off Tesla is bound to fail.
3 years late. Tesla actually had to pay money to Fisker because of a court ruling.
Quit trying to sell cars Jay!
Josh Rinlee .... Jay needs the MONEY for the retirement HOME. Bangkok-Johnnie CarSanook Media THAILAND
Jay Jeno is the bomb!
I think it's stunning.