Bravo to these players for letting us critique them. I'll come at it slightly differently. Their lack of proper stance, racquet ready position, aside from decision making, makes me feel that they have not played other racquet sports at a high level. But that's a positive. It shows how this is a game for everyone. Keep at it and have a blast! The learning will come.
I'm a DUPR 4.535 rated player with 100 percent reliability. I have also won gold at the 4.5 level. This is my take. Just because they take few 3rd shot drops doesn't mean they can't. I see many good 5th and 7th drops which indicates that they are capable of hitting a 3rd shot drop. I believe it is a conscious choice to not hit 3rd shots and to hit 3rd shot drives because frankly the 3rd shot drive is just a safer more aggressive option. In tournament I personally hit ZERO 3rd shot drops. Only drives and hybrids. Rory I believe your analysis is wrong at 14:30. You should NEVER hit a lob from the baseline unless it is the only shot you can hit. Defensive lobs generally don't end well and offensive lobs are hit from the NVZ line. Gray shirt actually hits the right shot with a really nice 3rd shot drop followed by a bad popup. However black shirt recovers and hits 3 really good resets but they still fail to win the point. The camera angle makes it look like they are popping up the ball but in actuality they are choosing high arc instead of low over the net to create a downward diving ball to the net to bounce shallow in the kitchen. This is actually really good drop shot technique. These guys are low 4.0 except for black hat who is 3.5. What I like is their shot selection as well as hitting technique. What separates them from high 4.0 or 4.5 is consistency.
Thank you for your feedback. You see it from a different perspective as someone who actually plays at a 4.5 plus level. Rory just randomly picked a video from my channel. I think it was the first game of the morning at 630am lol. Needless to say, you should always be warmed up and ready to play! This game doesn’t truly represent my group of players. I’ve won 3 golds at the 3.5 level and one 1st place at the 4.0 level. But I’ve been smoked as well in a couple 4.0 tournament games. Lots to learn and improve on! I love the feedback and so does my group. I’ve actually made a few adjustments because of it. I do believe your assessment is very correct though! Thank you!
I'm going to try to give some constructive criticism, here: 1. The best player on the court is Bryan and my assessment of his execution on technique and strategy puts him (at at best) at 4.0 and not much higher, if I'm in error. 2. All the other 3 players displayed sloppy technique including Bryan at times. Perhaps Bryan would do well to play with better payers to improve. 3. Like you, Rory, I quickly noticed that all players hardly every assumed a solid ready position. It was obvious to me because none of them got low (bending at the hips and knees) to return incoming balls and even to serve. 4. Split stepping was barely practiced on the court which resulted in balls being overshot or crashed into the net. Also, look at how most (not Bryan) players don't even use their non-dominant arm to counter balance their weight distribution as they execute on drives and such the like. 5. The far court, yellow shoes, white cap player repeatedly flicks with his wrist with his 2-handed returns. That's poor technique. He barely bends at his elbows or shoulders. 6. The battles at the net are more frantic responses rather than calculated returns. Half the times, these guys surprised themselves with where the ball landed. 7. This match showed a scant variety of shot types across all players. Conclusion: This is not 4.0 caliber match. They all (Bryan included) need to learn strategy and drill technique to elevate their repective games. Across the board, this is 3.5 level playing. No offense meant.
No offense taken. I am sure all the players appreciate your critique. You made some excellent points. Thanks for taking the time to do so. They all are striving to become better players. And, that's a good thing.
@pickleballpick-apart9787 Good stuff! I'm only trying to be helpful, especially since they are asking for a critique. Constructive critiques certainly helped me improve my game! I forgot to mention that I didn't see any shading or ball tracking with the paddle on the court, either. Of course, if the ready position is rarely assumed, then it's a foregone conclusion that tracking the ball with the paddle would be close to nonexistent. I practice all these things religiously when I play. So, now they are more instinctive and habitual for me when I'm on the court and they all contribute to upping my level of play. I have a table tennis background, which influences my tempered and measured use of the wrist in only some of my shots. BTW, I'm glad that you have been vocal about cautioning on the use of backspin/slice to return topspin. I can't tell you how many times I put my opponents in trouble when they mess this way with my topspin or sidespin. Though it can be effective, my experience and opinion is that backspin/slice is an expensive shot that offers diminishing returns. Personally, I use it sparingly.
Those guys pretty much all look like 3.5 players to me. Brian might be 3.75. If either of those teams play in a 4.0 tournament, they would be very lucky to win a game.
Thanks for your opinion! The guy on the far court with the black hat (Ryan) just recently won 1st place with another partner in an APA 4.0 here in San Diego.
I agree. In my club, that's probably what they'd be rated (3.5). I would suggest they DO play 4.0 tournaments if they can, though - it would be a good way of getting out of their usual opponent-pairings and point out to them where the flaws in their game are.
100% agree, My partner and I are both right under 4.0. I think the best thing about playing in a little bit better tournament than you probably are is finding your flaws and learning from your opponents by finding their strengths and trying to replicate.
If you watch there stances. Nobody is in an athletic stance ready to hit, move, etc. ANd like you pointed out that padel has got be up and ready. Is there much of a difference between 3.5/4.0 in pickleball. I think a lot of errors are made at both levels......
Unforced errors are made at any level. My experience both playing and watching tells me that there is a difference between 4.0 and 3.5. 4.0 players seem to have a more well-rounded game. And have mastered more shots than 3.5 players. They also seem to play a slower overall game.
Yes there is a big difference. If you are 3.5 you are better than 51.20% of players. If you are 4.0 you are better than 79.55 percent of DUPR rated players.
I feel like they aren't moving their feet enough and are getting caught flat footed a lot. Doesn't really look like they're getting low to get at shots and are just kind of swatting at it from almost a standing position often. Also, the rally around 7:25, they keep going for wide out angles on every dink instead of varying where they're placing the dink. Those wide out shots give your opponent more options on what to do with the return. You want to put one in the middle occasionally because it actually takes away some of their return options.
So I'd set that game at 3.5 all around if I'm using this game. I'm not going to say they aren't 4.0 though. It seemed more like just for fun in general making it a pretty slow game so I don't think they are pushing themselves. Additionally, 4.0 can be really local to the other players in your area and who you can compete with varies as well. Even DUPRs can be very localized.
For their area, maybe they are the "4.0" players, but I would suggest they hire an official rater to really determine that. I am not one, but would question if they are at the 4.0 level or not. Don't get me wrong, some great shots/points, but not what I would call at the 4.0 play level. I consider myself a 3.5 level (DUPR is 3.71, currently). Many of my pickleball friends of similar abilities say they are 4.0 and "want to move up" in tournaments. But then they wonder why they don't win many games at those tournaments. Everyone tends to think they are better than they really are, in my experience. Hire a rater, they are a real thing. Great video and analysis, Rory!
You're welcome. I agree. Most players think they are better than they actually are. Most don't travel and test themselves. They just keep beating up on the same players day after day.
As a 12.5 player and Internet God, let me add in my two cents. None of these players would even reach the 2.0 level where I play. Their lack of skill, lack of strategy, and lethargy all make me think they’ve never been exposed to how the game should properly be played. And none of these wannabe - players were split-stepping. As everyone knows split-stepping is 93% of what makes an outstanding player, outstanding, far more so than whether they can make contact with a ball or put spin on it. And how about disdainfully down-rating other people? I don’t think I saw any of these four players doing that. I would say at least 6.5 to 7 of my rating points come from my superior attitude and contemptuous views towards other players.
Okay, so the first serve is telling. Server serves it out & receiving player is not respectfully ready for the serve. He’s standing mostly upright. He’s not in an athletic stance. Without being more ready, there’s no way he can return the ball strategically. Add to that, the fact that being nonchalant about receiving the serve, is certainly not respecting the skill of his opponent either. He got lucky that his opponent served it out. I know it’s only rec play, but why would these principles only be reserved for tournaments? That concept is great in rainbow/unicorn/balloon land, but in the real world rec play & tournaments have more in common than not. Court positioning, footwork, athletic stance, off court training & practice, prioritization of the game on & off the court - I don’t know anyone who plays this game recreationally who doesn’t like to win, but few players prioritize improving their skills in order to win. Now back to your video.
10:05 was definitely a hook, but I guess it happens to the best of us. As to the rating, I would say Brian was the best at a 3.75 to 4.0. The rest were 3.0 to to 3.75. The lobs were not all that effective.
Angel is too careful hitting the ball. Brian is the best. They got better as the game went on. Angel, Ryan and John around 3.5. I would play to Angel all day. 4.0 plsyers in my area are much better and consistent.
They're not 4.0 players. You need at least one super power and none of them have a skill that they can hang their hat on. Foot work and movement should have more fluidity. Brian passes the eye test of a 4.0 though. Players miss serves and easy shots early in games because they aren't thoroughly warmed up. Most don't know how to warm up properly, just choosing to aimlessly dink for 5 minutes and not working on resets, drives and serves. Looks like Brian is the only one that has a racquet sport background.
In the begining I think everyone eas playing conservatively for the camera. after a moment, i think you start to see their abilities. I'd say they are 3.75+. Their dinking isn't bad, didn't see any two hand back hands, only saw a couple speed ups. I am a fan of the slice return, might be a fault on me, but occasionaly blended in, it can throw people off, certainly not an every return, maybe once to each player to see how they handle. every hit seemed to be a forehand, no poaching, no ernie setups. I see this game is more of a casual play, not one i would submit for rating.
If these guys are supposed to be 4.0 players, then I’m a 5.0+ myself! No split steps, no drops, no point building, they’re not able to move their opponents around by using placement on their dinks, etc. If they played at my club, they’d have their hats handed to them!😂
Agree with Rory. Overall, a standard game, no real notable shots occurred like flicks, blocks, rolls, dinks. Just standard back and forth. Not one “down the middle”! 21:4621:4621:46
Okay, so secondly, the first 3 points are all amateur play without question. Again, footwork, athletic stance & and respectfully ready attitude are all lacking. Again, I get that this is just the beginning of the game & nobody is really warmed up yet, but the things I’ve mentioned are fundamental & minimize the time needed for warmup when executed with discipline. I guess nobody wants to look uncool for being serious about the game, but I’d bet my next paycheck that neither team wants to lose even one point, let alone the game. Nobody plays pickleball to lose, so why do so many players play like they want to lose?
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Fair enough, but how is losing or playing like a loser fun? I strive to play my absolute best so I can help others who are struggling, to win more points & have more fun. It doesn’t make sense to me how ‘not playing like winners’ can possibly be fun. Ask a million players whether or not losing is fun & you’ll likely get a million of the same answers… “No”. So the idea that playing for fun, means neglecting fundamental disciplines, may be a common misconception, but it’s still a misconception. Just saying…
I appreciate all your input! Thank you! And yes it’s 7am in the morning still warming up! No excuse though! You’re spot on discipline is key to mastery.
They don’t look like 4.0 players. Their shots lack purpose, constantly hitting balls to their opponents forehands. They don’t construct plays and are just returning balls without placement or thought.
What makes a player a 4.0 ? You may not execute every shot ( those are physical unforced errors ) but , you long since have eliminated unforced MENTAL errors. IE: poor shot selection , being in the wrong court position , paddle held below your waist , etc . These are easily corrected errors that a player VOLUNTEERILY commits that the opponents had nothing to do with causing . Unfortunately, these players too often commit both physical and mental unforced errors . If they corrected the mental errors, they could become 4.0 overnight . Right now , they range from 3.0 at best , to 3.75 at most .
4.0???? Brian is definitely the best player on the court. He very well could be 4.0 and his play pulled the rest up slightly. Were it not for him they’d all be playing “whack-a-ball. I think the rest of the guys are more like higher level 3.0 players. Need to learn to adopt more athletic stances so they aren’t “arming” the ball so much. When White Hat guy wasn’t just poking at the ball with his two handed backhand, he was lunging at it. Zero footwork.
Alright, one last jab & im done here. These guys are maybe 3.5’s on a better day, but today they’re more like 3’s. All the 3.5’s that I play with would mop the floor with these clowns. Not only that but we all get our tails handed to us by 3.5’s in tournaments, so that tells you a lot about the players in your video. Sorry, but unless something changes these guys aren’t above 3’s.
Brian is definitely the best player on the court. I would guess that the other players are between 3.0 and 3.5. I don't think Brian is 4.0 but would be close. All of them have poor positioning skills and very little strategy if any. The serves, returns, 3rd shots and 4 shots are all weak. They leave too many attackable balls and their paddles positions would invite those attacks.
I know all 4 of them. Ryan(guy in black hat) is the best player on that court hands down, he is playing with 3 guys way below his skill level and not really trying in the slightest. Believe it or not he is around a 4.5. Think his DUPR is 4.6 in San Diego which is higher level than most places. Other 3 guys are sub 4.0 and he just looks like he sucks😂. Ima give him a lot of crap these comments
100 percent agree Ryan is the best player. Love playing with him in the mornings. He makes us all better and I believe we give him a little run for his money. 😂
@bryangilpb ... if he is a better player, his display of technique certainly didn't show it. I've lost doubles matches with partners who are below my level but I always try to demonstrate good technique, sportsmanship and partnership. When you play with weaker players, you can still use it to challenge yourself to get something out of it and even onlookers will notice your abilities.
If you don't have the 3rd shot drop and 5th shot reset mastered, then I was told by pb pros where I play that you're not at a 3.0 level. It seems that DUPR rating disregards the drop and reset skill set. Just bang away and get a 4.0 DUPR.
Absolutely, they're 3.0 to 3.25 They'd get worked at my local park. As soon as I heard "lob master " and missed serve, missed drops, etccc. 3.0 all day
I think you can be considered a 3.0 player and not be able to hit a consistent third shot drop. However, if you can't do it, you are not 3.5. Thanks for your comment.
It's not a mistake to put slice on a return, especially at this calibre of play, you're obsessing. JI is talking about pros, and there's lots of pros that use BS returns for various reasons. Get out and play with some better players Rory and grow your game before armchair QB'ing the subject to death - you're not a good enough player to hold such a strong opinion, all due respect. Brian was inconsistent with drops, holds his paddle low at the NVZ like the rest, needs to work on his wimpy roll volleys, and cannot see an in ball 4' in front of his face. Rec play intermediates, 3.5's be my 2c. I don't get why your channel keeps coming up on my feed. I'm sorry, but I no longer enjoy your content after I saw you flounder like a 3.0 in a game you later pulled after getting royally flamed... lost respect of your opinion and unsubbed. Later...
Bravo to these players for letting us critique them.
I'll come at it slightly differently. Their lack of proper stance, racquet ready position, aside from decision making, makes me feel that they have not played other racquet sports at a high level. But that's a positive. It shows how this is a game for everyone. Keep at it and have a blast! The learning will come.
Good advise. And encouragement. Thanks.
Money tip at 5:10 👍🏿. Working on that tomorrow evening.
Awesome. Thanks for watching.
I'm a DUPR 4.535 rated player with 100 percent reliability. I have also won gold at the 4.5 level. This is my take. Just because they take few 3rd shot drops doesn't mean they can't. I see many good 5th and 7th drops which indicates that they are capable of hitting a 3rd shot drop. I believe it is a conscious choice to not hit 3rd shots and to hit 3rd shot drives because frankly the 3rd shot drive is just a safer more aggressive option. In tournament I personally hit ZERO 3rd shot drops. Only drives and hybrids. Rory I believe your analysis is wrong at 14:30. You should NEVER hit a lob from the baseline unless it is the only shot you can hit. Defensive lobs generally don't end well and offensive lobs are hit from the NVZ line. Gray shirt actually hits the right shot with a really nice 3rd shot drop followed by a bad popup. However black shirt recovers and hits 3 really good resets but they still fail to win the point. The camera angle makes it look like they are popping up the ball but in actuality they are choosing high arc instead of low over the net to create a downward diving ball to the net to bounce shallow in the kitchen. This is actually really good drop shot technique. These guys are low 4.0 except for black hat who is 3.5. What I like is their shot selection as well as hitting technique. What separates them from high 4.0 or 4.5 is consistency.
This video has created a lot of discussion. Thanks for adding your opinion to the chatter.p
Thank you for your feedback. You see it from a different perspective as someone who actually plays at a 4.5 plus level. Rory just randomly picked a video from my channel. I think it was the first game of the morning at 630am lol. Needless to say, you should always be warmed up and ready to play! This game doesn’t truly represent my group of players. I’ve won 3 golds at the 3.5 level and one 1st place at the 4.0 level. But I’ve been smoked as well in a couple 4.0 tournament games. Lots to learn and improve on! I love the feedback and so does my group. I’ve actually made a few adjustments because of it. I do believe your assessment is very correct though! Thank you!
@@bryangilpb Thanks for commenting! I enjoyed watching the video. Keep having fun and improving your pickleball!!
I'm going to try to give some constructive criticism, here:
1. The best player on the court is Bryan and my assessment of his execution on technique and strategy puts him (at at best) at 4.0 and not much higher, if I'm in error.
2. All the other 3 players displayed sloppy technique including Bryan at times. Perhaps Bryan would do well to play with better payers to improve.
3. Like you, Rory, I quickly noticed that all players hardly every assumed a solid ready position. It was obvious to me because none of them got low (bending at the hips and knees) to return incoming balls and even to serve.
4. Split stepping was barely practiced on the court which resulted in balls being overshot or crashed into the net. Also, look at how most (not Bryan) players don't even use their non-dominant arm to counter balance their weight distribution as they execute on drives and such the like.
5. The far court, yellow shoes, white cap player repeatedly flicks with his wrist with his 2-handed returns. That's poor technique. He barely bends at his elbows or shoulders.
6. The battles at the net are more frantic responses rather than calculated returns. Half the times, these guys surprised themselves with where the ball landed.
7. This match showed a scant variety of shot types across all players.
Conclusion: This is not 4.0 caliber match. They all (Bryan included) need to learn strategy and drill technique to elevate their repective games. Across the board, this is 3.5 level playing. No offense meant.
No offense taken. I am sure all the players appreciate your critique. You made some excellent points. Thanks for taking the time to do so. They all are striving to become better players. And, that's a good thing.
@pickleballpick-apart9787 Good stuff! I'm only trying to be helpful, especially since they are asking for a critique. Constructive critiques certainly helped me improve my game!
I forgot to mention that I didn't see any shading or ball tracking with the paddle on the court, either. Of course, if the ready position is rarely assumed, then it's a foregone conclusion that tracking the ball with the paddle would be close to nonexistent.
I practice all these things religiously when I play. So, now they are more instinctive and habitual for me when I'm on the court and they all contribute to upping my level of play.
I have a table tennis background, which influences my tempered and measured use of the wrist in only some of my shots.
BTW, I'm glad that you have been vocal about cautioning on the use of backspin/slice to return topspin.
I can't tell you how many times I put my opponents in trouble when they mess this way with my topspin or sidespin.
Though it can be effective, my experience and opinion is that backspin/slice is an expensive shot that offers diminishing returns.
Personally, I use it sparingly.
Thanks for your feedback! No offense taken! This is all in the process of learning and I appreciate your input.
Those guys pretty much all look like 3.5 players to me. Brian might be 3.75. If either of those teams play in a 4.0 tournament, they would be very lucky to win a game.
Thanks for your opinion! The guy on the far court with the black hat (Ryan) just recently won 1st place with another partner in an APA 4.0 here in San Diego.
I agree. In my club, that's probably what they'd be rated (3.5). I would suggest they DO play 4.0 tournaments if they can, though - it would be a good way of getting out of their usual opponent-pairings and point out to them where the flaws in their game are.
100% agree, My partner and I are both right under 4.0. I think the best thing about playing in a little bit better tournament than you probably are is finding your flaws and learning from your opponents by finding their strengths and trying to replicate.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion
If you watch there stances. Nobody is in an athletic stance ready to hit, move, etc. ANd like you pointed out that padel has got be up and ready. Is there much of a difference between 3.5/4.0 in pickleball. I think a lot of errors are made at both levels......
Unforced errors are made at any level. My experience both playing and watching tells me that there is a difference between 4.0 and 3.5. 4.0 players seem to have a more well-rounded game. And have mastered more shots than 3.5 players. They also seem to play a slower overall game.
Yes there is a big difference. If you are 3.5 you are better than 51.20% of players. If you are 4.0 you are better than 79.55 percent of DUPR rated players.
I feel like they aren't moving their feet enough and are getting caught flat footed a lot. Doesn't really look like they're getting low to get at shots and are just kind of swatting at it from almost a standing position often.
Also, the rally around 7:25, they keep going for wide out angles on every dink instead of varying where they're placing the dink. Those wide out shots give your opponent more options on what to do with the return. You want to put one in the middle occasionally because it actually takes away some of their return options.
Nice suggestion. My mix ed double partner sometimes continually dinks cross court. I always tell her to change it up.
So I'd set that game at 3.5 all around if I'm using this game. I'm not going to say they aren't 4.0 though. It seemed more like just for fun in general making it a pretty slow game so I don't think they are pushing themselves. Additionally, 4.0 can be really local to the other players in your area and who you can compete with varies as well. Even DUPRs can be very localized.
You're only as good as the people you play against. If you want a true dupr, travel and play against players in other cities.
For their area, maybe they are the "4.0" players, but I would suggest they hire an official rater to really determine that. I am not one, but would question if they are at the 4.0 level or not. Don't get me wrong, some great shots/points, but not what I would call at the 4.0 play level. I consider myself a 3.5 level (DUPR is 3.71, currently). Many of my pickleball friends of similar abilities say they are 4.0 and "want to move up" in tournaments. But then they wonder why they don't win many games at those tournaments. Everyone tends to think they are better than they really are, in my experience. Hire a rater, they are a real thing. Great video and analysis, Rory!
You're welcome. I agree. Most players think they are better than they actually are. Most don't travel and test themselves. They just keep beating up on the same players day after day.
While Brian may be the best player, his level is improved because of the 3.25 players on the court
Thanks for watching.
As a 12.5 player and Internet God, let me add in my two cents. None of these players would even reach the 2.0 level where I play. Their lack of skill, lack of strategy, and lethargy all make me think they’ve never been exposed to how the game should properly be played.
And none of these wannabe - players were split-stepping. As everyone knows split-stepping is 93% of what makes an outstanding player, outstanding, far more so than whether they can make contact with a ball or put spin on it. And how about disdainfully down-rating other people? I don’t think I saw any of these four players doing that. I would say at least 6.5 to 7 of my rating points come from my superior attitude and contemptuous views towards other players.
Haha what a great troll. No such thing as 12.5. I love the comedy aspect though.
Okay, so the first serve is telling. Server serves it out & receiving player is not respectfully ready for the serve. He’s standing mostly upright. He’s not in an athletic stance. Without being more ready, there’s no way he can return the ball strategically. Add to that, the fact that being nonchalant about receiving the serve, is certainly not respecting the skill of his opponent either. He got lucky that his opponent served it out. I know it’s only rec play, but why would these principles only be reserved for tournaments? That concept is great in rainbow/unicorn/balloon land, but in the real world rec play & tournaments have more in common than not.
Court positioning, footwork, athletic stance, off court training & practice, prioritization of the game on & off the court - I don’t know anyone who plays this game recreationally who doesn’t like to win, but few players prioritize improving their skills in order to win.
Now back to your video.
Thank you for your honest input! I agree, many things to improve on.
As you can see by that comment, the players appreciate you pointing out things they can do better.
10:05 was definitely a hook, but I guess it happens to the best of us. As to the rating, I would say Brian was the best at a 3.75 to 4.0. The rest were 3.0 to to 3.75. The lobs were not all that effective.
I think he hit one lob that actually worked. Thanks for watching.
Brian is definitely 4.0
The others are 3.5/3.75ish level.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.
Angel is too careful hitting the ball. Brian is the best. They got better as the game went on. Angel, Ryan and John around 3.5. I would play to Angel all day. 4.0 plsyers in my area are much better and consistent.
As always, thanks for commenting. I really do appreciate you watching my channel.
Good Video but more like 3 to 3.25 to 3.5 Level Players at Highest 😊😊
Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching!
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Bryan was a good Player and played well
Varying skill levels but somewhere around 3.5. But, yes, Brian is clearly the best player.
Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching.
I agree with your ratings based on the limited sample size
Thank you. I appreciate you watching.
They're not 4.0 players. You need at least one super power and none of them have a skill that they can hang their hat on. Foot work and movement should have more fluidity. Brian passes the eye test of a 4.0 though. Players miss serves and easy shots early in games because they aren't thoroughly warmed up. Most don't know how to warm up properly, just choosing to aimlessly dink for 5 minutes and not working on resets, drives and serves. Looks like Brian is the only one that has a racquet sport background.
Appreciate your input!
Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching.
In the begining I think everyone eas playing conservatively for the camera. after a moment, i think you start to see their abilities. I'd say they are 3.75+. Their dinking isn't bad, didn't see any two hand back hands, only saw a couple speed ups. I am a fan of the slice return, might be a fault on me, but occasionaly blended in, it can throw people off, certainly not an every return, maybe once to each player to see how they handle. every hit seemed to be a forehand, no poaching, no ernie setups. I see this game is more of a casual play, not one i would submit for rating.
Yeah, it is a very small sample size. They may be better than this one game. Thanks for watching.
If these guys are supposed to be 4.0 players, then I’m a 5.0+ myself! No split steps, no drops, no point building, they’re not able to move their opponents around by using placement on their dinks, etc. If they played at my club, they’d have their hats handed to them!😂
Thanks for your opinion.
Agree with Rory. Overall, a standard game, no real notable shots occurred like flicks, blocks, rolls, dinks. Just standard back and forth. Not one “down the middle”! 21:46 21:46 21:46
I really did notice the down the middle thing. A lot of times, hitting the ball down the middle is a really good place to hit it. Thanks for watching.
These players are the type that just play and don't drill
That describes most players.
Okay, so secondly, the first 3 points are all amateur play without question. Again, footwork, athletic stance & and respectfully ready attitude are all lacking. Again, I get that this is just the beginning of the game & nobody is really warmed up yet, but the things I’ve mentioned are fundamental & minimize the time needed for warmup when executed with discipline. I guess nobody wants to look uncool for being serious about the game, but I’d bet my next paycheck that neither team wants to lose even one point, let alone the game. Nobody plays pickleball to lose, so why do so many players play like they want to lose?
Good question. Some players are just there for the fun, socialization and exercise.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Fair enough, but how is losing or playing like a loser fun? I strive to play my absolute best so I can help others who are struggling, to win more points & have more fun. It doesn’t make sense to me how ‘not playing like winners’ can possibly be fun. Ask a million players whether or not losing is fun & you’ll likely get a million of the same answers… “No”. So the idea that playing for fun, means neglecting fundamental disciplines, may be a common misconception, but it’s still a misconception. Just saying…
@@MrThedocholiday nailed it. And if
They're playing for fun...3.0 max
I appreciate all your input! Thank you! And yes it’s 7am in the morning still warming up! No excuse though! You’re spot on discipline is key to mastery.
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I would play them! 🙂
Come play!
Good luck!
I started to play PB early in Nov, I 'm better than these guys😁
That's the problem with rating yourself.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I love your format , i do similar videos but explaining what i do playing pool on my channel
Angel is relying on his lob hiding the fact he has limited shot selection. Plain and simple.
Very true. Thanks for watching.
They don’t look like 4.0 players. Their shots lack purpose, constantly hitting balls to their opponents forehands. They don’t construct plays and are just returning balls without placement or thought.
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What makes a player a 4.0 ? You may not execute every shot ( those are physical unforced errors ) but , you long since have eliminated unforced MENTAL errors. IE: poor shot selection , being in the wrong court position , paddle held below your waist , etc . These are easily corrected errors that a player VOLUNTEERILY commits that the opponents had nothing to do with causing . Unfortunately, these players too often commit both physical and mental unforced errors . If they corrected the mental errors, they could become 4.0 overnight . Right now , they range from 3.0 at best , to 3.75 at most .
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4.0???? Brian is definitely the best player on the court. He very well could be 4.0 and his play pulled the rest up slightly. Were it not for him they’d all be playing “whack-a-ball. I think the rest of the guys are more like higher level 3.0 players. Need to learn to adopt more athletic stances so they aren’t “arming” the ball so much. When White Hat guy wasn’t just poking at the ball with his two handed backhand, he was lunging at it. Zero footwork.
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Alright, one last jab & im done here. These guys are maybe 3.5’s on a better day, but today they’re more like 3’s. All the 3.5’s that I play with would mop the floor with these clowns. Not only that but we all get our tails handed to us by 3.5’s in tournaments, so that tells you a lot about the players in your video. Sorry, but unless something changes these guys aren’t above 3’s.
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Because footwork and ready positions lacking, 3.0-3.5
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4.0 type game, Angel's hand skills looked more 3.5.
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Kiddos to them! That's awesome!!
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3.0 level 3.5 at best
Yes.
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Not 4.0 level.
Bryan is 3.5 ( best player in court).
Rest are 3.12 (+/-).
Brian is better than 3.5.
Thank you both for your feedback! Feel free to check out other games on my channel. I record our morning games.
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Brian is definitely the best player on the court. I would guess that the other players are between 3.0 and 3.5. I don't think Brian is 4.0 but would be close. All of them have poor positioning skills and very little strategy if any. The serves, returns, 3rd shots and 4 shots are all weak. They leave too many attackable balls and their paddles positions would invite those attacks.
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I know all 4 of them. Ryan(guy in black hat) is the best player on that court hands down, he is playing with 3 guys way below his skill level and not really trying in the slightest. Believe it or not he is around a 4.5. Think his DUPR is 4.6 in San Diego which is higher level than most places. Other 3 guys are sub 4.0 and he just looks like he sucks😂. Ima give him a lot of crap these comments
Thanks for pointing that out. Some guys just don't put out a full effort if it doesn't really mean anything. I get it.
100 percent agree Ryan is the best player. Love playing with him in the mornings. He makes us all better and I believe we give him a little run for his money. 😂
@bryangilpb ... if he is a better player, his display of technique certainly didn't show it. I've lost doubles matches with partners who are below my level but I always try to demonstrate good technique, sportsmanship and partnership.
When you play with weaker players, you can still use it to challenge yourself to get something out of it and even onlookers will notice your abilities.
Other guys sub 4.0s? You got jokes 😂
Interesting no one pointing out Angel guy stepping on kitchen line several times during the match lmao
If you don't have the 3rd shot drop and 5th shot reset mastered, then I was told by pb pros where I play that you're not at a 3.0 level. It seems that DUPR rating disregards the drop and reset skill set. Just bang away and get a 4.0 DUPR.
Absolutely, they're 3.0 to 3.25
They'd get worked at my local park. As soon as I heard "lob master " and missed serve, missed drops, etccc.
3.0 all day
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I think you can be considered a 3.0 player and not be able to hit a consistent third shot drop. However, if you can't do it, you are not 3.5. Thanks for your comment.
You’re all generous in your ratings. I’d say 2.5-3.0 with Brian maybe 3.5
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@JerryMcquire007 2.5 is a bit much, I think. I don't think they're 4.0, but 2.5 is functionally absolute beginner, which these guys aren't.
These are Not 4 players
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I don’t believe any of them are 4.0.
Probably not. I think Bryan is close. Thanks for watching.
Definitely not 4.0 players more like 3.0😊
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Three other guys are 3.25
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These players are 3.5 at best. They don’t even know some basic fundamentals…
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It's not a mistake to put slice on a return, especially at this calibre of play, you're obsessing. JI is talking about pros, and there's lots of pros that use BS returns for various reasons. Get out and play with some better players Rory and grow your game before armchair QB'ing the subject to death - you're not a good enough player to hold such a strong opinion, all due respect. Brian was inconsistent with drops, holds his paddle low at the NVZ like the rest, needs to work on his wimpy roll volleys, and cannot see an in ball 4' in front of his face. Rec play intermediates, 3.5's be my 2c. I don't get why your channel keeps coming up on my feed. I'm sorry, but I no longer enjoy your content after I saw you flounder like a 3.0 in a game you later pulled after getting royally flamed... lost respect of your opinion and unsubbed. Later...
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I travel a lot. Maybe if I'm ever in your area we can get together and play. Where do you live?
Just a note. I had to pull that video because someone in the background did not want to be on RUclips and asked me to take it off.
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@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Vancouver Island, I'd love that
These are beginners, far away from 4.0.
Sorry. They are not beginners. They are better than that. Thanks for watching.
@ however they played like beginners in this game imo.
They are no more 4.0 players than they are beginner players