ZEALOTS Only Beating GrandMasters ? | Beating GrandMasters With Stupid Stuff
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Beating grandmasters with stupid stuff. Zealots Exclusively edition ( except when I need to stay alive vs air units)
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Second suggestion: "Deadly Hallucinations" - Harass the opponent's mineral line with drops consisting of a Prism, DTs, and a sentry. The goal is to hallucinate a colossus for a fake colossus drop. Your opponent should see a colossus attacking probes and probes dying (but actually dying to DTs). Bonus points if you successfully force out a hard counter to colossi from your opponent, such as tricking a Terran to build vikings instead of scanning.
Lovely idea, but a Terran scan or Overseer would quickly ruin the Protoss party.
what about the very obvious DT attack sounds?
@@ignaciojimenez4786 Only play against deaf players
@@davidpinto2317 what about the very obvious collosi aoe that for some reason doesnt happen? XD
@@gecgoodpasi1654 make the dts attack in a horizontal line pattern, at the same time, easy haha
Pick a low level build from ‘Is it INBA or do I suck?’ Or ‘rank roulette’ and use it for this series. You can even write a few down and draw them from a hat at random before each game.
Ooh, that's a great one!
wrrr, no such thing as low, high, sx etc, tallx 1uferiox bloat, doesnt mater
Back in the Wings of Liberty and early HOTS days, I used to experiment with gasless and low-gas builds. Conceptually, this just meant controlling your gas income and having precise plans for every gas spent, to maximize your economy and upgrades for your mineral units. Back then, with less overall units in the game, the balance was shifted more toward macro/econ and tech was less emphasized. It was considered normal and even "meta" to primarily rely on low-tech units with upgrades.
It was at this time, back in 2011-2012, that I discovered the joy of Zealot based multi-prong aggression, with two warp prisms, tight upgrades and charge timings. I didn't force myself to use only zealots - a stalker or two to snipe overlords, with immortals and templar/archons to dump gas for a late game transition. The two-base all-ins and timing attacks possible utilizing this style are outright n a s t y, when you free up the gas-probes to mine minerals, like a zerg-speed build where you pull drones off gas after zergling speed. You can do the same thing with Warpgate/+1. I found that the greatest strength of this style is to establish "Localized advantage" with a small number of units in multiple locations at once. 4 zealots is a very casual drop for a protoss player, and requires a disproportionate response to prevent economic damage. Each loaded warp prism can also warp in off all of your warpgates, giving you a healthy number of zealots you can fling into mineral lines. You can time your attacks so you hit a base on the outskirts with JUST enough zealots to make a player panic and pull their whole army while you are warping in and distributing zealots everywhere else. Do this all over the place at the same time, most players up to Master league just fall apart.
It makes me really happy to see this playstyle being used by a GM in the LOTV era, where tech and gas seem to rule all. Thank you Harstem, you have gained a subscriber out of this old zerg fanatic.
I do similar
But I won't give you the details
Keeping my secrets ;)
Hidden Probe: Send 2 probes to scout, clicking a mineral patch to stack them. After the enemy sees the probe scout, try to split the 2nd probe off in fog, and use it to do some proxy cheese.
Baby, Take the Wheel: You play the first 4 minutes of the game, and then your gf has to take over and finish the game.
I like the second one
Proposed modification to the second one -- Every three minutes switch with your GF.
@@Pawn007can I like this. I don't think Harstem's gf can take on mid-high GMs after just 4 mins
The first has been already done by Florencio
@@giacomopc
It was already used in Brood war. And it actually works well in lower leagues where players dont yet know how to scout.
A variation of this could be Zelots+Mothership for discount(?) Dark Templars.
lol discount DTs
That can charge, but can't blink.
@@TrollAxeThrower recall: discount blink.
"discount" uses mothership which should be bigger than the entire map and houses an entire race. yep, discount is the word XD
wrr
From the void: You can only attack via Warp Prisms, either drops or warp in's, or both. No walking on the map, and no air. Bonus points for doing massive 20 unit warp in's.
This!
i think he actually had done something like that ->
ruclips.net/video/ApnmvIgaZv0/видео.html
Suggestion : Carry a Queen with an Overlord only to spread agressively the creep on the map as this duo would only place creep tumors everywhere.
This actually a working strat even in GMl. U can send worker and queen. Quickly build and cancel hatch and put first tumor in that place. Then just spread creep agressively.
@@ЖопаТвоя-ш9м I have never been a Zerg player just I never understood why the Overlords don't support the Queen walk if they could blurp some creep on the way to speed them up.
My idea was directly carrying a Queen inside of an Overlord and to unload her only as long as she can place creep tumors on that creep which was made by the Overlord. Then they would fly away and continue this on every bases while the placed and spreading creep tumors could occupy more and more area until the main Zerg army arrives.
@@Platschu which one was it? There's the German Taxi, Warsaw Subway and I forgot the name of the queen walk variation where you poop out creep for a highway.
@@awooawoo9628 there was that elazer build where he tripple pronged with creep drop on
seriously, what's a 6 hellion player gonna do about 3 queens dropped in the center of the map, that's a whole lot of creep to spread from if you do it more than once. Thats the other cool thing about this, you only have to do it once or twice to get really big creep zones out past your corner of the map then the queens are free to roam and retreat once it's up
Reminds me of the Wings of Liberty 2-Gate expand build with 3-Zealot pressure. Was never popular but totally died with the LotV economy updates, but I'm happy to see something similar even for simple 3rd base delay.
Freeze Tag: you have to rally all your non-worker units across the map from wherever their production building is (or move-command your warp-ins across the map from where you warp them), and then they have to stay on hold-position until an unfrozen unit tags them in. At that point, the tagged-in unit has to get move-commanded back to one your nexuses before you're allowed to add it to a control-group and attack with it.
They don't have to go completely across the map - maybe just like halfway - so they end up having to move-command through the middle of the map. Once they're tagged-in, they can take any path you want - but you have to move-command them all the way back to any nexus before they can join the fight.
I saw the Indy game live, was like "why is harstem playing such garbage" and thought it has to be BGMWSS :)
Do you have date and time or a link for twitch
United Colors of Protoss : you can't build the same unit twice until you have built all the other units. Ex : Zealot > Adept > Stalker > Sentry > ... > Carrier > Tempest > Zealot > Adept > Stalker ...
Life preserver : before each game you choose an ennemy unit type. You are not allowed to kill that type of unit during the game.
Derpy fingers : you can only have one unit/building per control group. Ex : 1 stalker or 1 gateway
Oversized Ego : all your expansions should be taken in the places closest to the center of the map
Rush a Dark Shrine and once you got it, you can only build DTs and Archons
Low gas spent on units could be fun, something like Only have 1 gas allowed per base, and you aren't allowed to produce gas units out of several buildings at once without getting (relevant) upgrades for them first
Valentines day coming up. So you must build pairs of units. Like, you can only build a Zealot if you build an Adept. And they must attack together. Or something. Seems like it could be fun.
My stuffed Carbot zealot, whom we named Harstem Jr., is VERY excited to watch this XD
Suggestion: Spoticraft
You play as normal, but everytime you build a Nexus/CC/Hatchery, you must tab out for 15 seconds to simulate changing music on spotify.
The honest talker challenge: in the start of the game pause the game, tell the enemy your build/plan and play it. This can be even paired up with smth.
harstem said a while ago that he won't do any challenge that involves chatting because it closely resembles BM (well, because it is BM, imo)
Thats bm
Your face in the thumbnail is the best! X'D
just wanted to say that. Have a good one ^^
I saw the title and came running. This might be the stupidest stupid stuff yet!
I feel like in that last game.... Florencio would have already had a corner base :)
The multitasking in the first one was unbelievable
"opinion backed by science"
-harshtem
I love it when you play the bgmwss and you win. Keep it up, captain!
Here is a suggestion. Playing zerg and while you allowed to do anything defense-wise, you can kill your opponent’s structures only with corruptors.
Harstem is there a vod anywhere of you telling the story of how you got your captain hat? I think it was from a homestory cup several years back and it was hilarious.
Suggestion: Always treat your other base like your first base. Basically, always make sure enemy can't penetrate your base. Wall it, canon it, shield it. Always defend it like it's your last base. No need to offense. With this strategy, there's a time when your base is too large and they can't even attack you anymore, or they resources is too low, and all of your base has great defense, then attack them. Game over
I'd love to see you play zerg and make a macro hatch at every base you make. (so at the start of the game you'd need a macro hatch before you could expand. (and a macro hatch for the nat)
Idea 1. you build as much of your production as possible on the map for a macro game.
Idea 2. You have to build at least 1 Robo for every 2 gateways. Then we can have a truly ludicrous and amount of robo units.
Captain.
sOs vs Bunny, GSL 2020, season 1.
Please replicate this. This is the best cheese and will be a very funny challenge for sure. Nexus in the main base of your opponent??? Only to make and hide a probe and warp a few DTs.. I wish I could erase this match out from my mind and go through it a few more times, so it is worth a shot for Harstem to give it a try 😘
Everything is allowed to convince a cheese the opponent, as long as the main goal (making a nexus in the main base in order to conceal a probe to make a hidden warping pylon) is achieved. This will rely a lot on opponent's reaction
Good luck!!
Magic
Mass Archon for BGMWSS!
What a nice and solid episode with high test strategy!
You're a content MACHINE!
I want to see games where you use archons exclusively for any and all aggression.
Similar to this video you could use whatever units and buildings you feel are needed for defense.
Play a game where you have to have units attack from 3 locations (if possible) at the same time. The only time you can attack in 1 location is when you encounter your opponent on the map by accident (didn't know they would be there) or if they're on 1 base. When you defend you have to send at least 14 supply for an attack, preferably having them on the map already and never at home defending
Maybe like no defending? you have to encounter your enemy before they reach your base.
Another thought : Proxy any major upgrade building like core Templar Dtemplar fleet beacon forge etc. the point being u cant have any major buildings in your base.
Suggestion:
No hotkeys, only mouse action :3
Diet version:
You have to use the classic hockey setup o.O
Go pure glass cannon. Sentries. Dts. High Templar. Tempests. Oracles. Basically anything that has low health, and high dps or spellcasting in any combination with any strategy.
Did you know that tempest have the DPS of a single stimmed marine
Honestly building Protoss units is like buying food at an airport 😂🤣
Suggestion: Build a shitload of Overlords to conceal your units underneath so that your enemy can't target them.
interesting idea could you mess with the opponent's "a"-move ai by make say 6 hallucinated carriers and get more value from your army that way
ŻwawyIndy means SnappyIndy : ) And i think same that it is IndySC2.
I think if your going to do a zelot only it should be a 1 or 2 base all in since its a low tech unit and you really can't wait for them to tech to a hard counter like mutas. If your going to do a 2 base all in you need a lot more gates at the 5 minute mark.
BGMWSS: Mass Adept, Mass Sentry
I wonder have well pure Immortals would do. But that would be very slow and need tons of gas. Maybe start it at the 10 minute mark? or with Phoenix support?
Widow mines, marines, and medivacs.
3 hour video of non stop cannon rushes in diamond or master
Only building proxy bases?
I think you got very lucky not facing a terran with that build
could you try opening 2 1 1, open with afew marines then double medivac drop with 16 reapers
the fact he got the gold and didn't lose it is why he won
Beating Voidrays with chargelots! That's the deal )
Suggestion: Large units only. Only able to build units that cost more than 2 supply (excluding probes).
Try stealing the minerals of your opponents by dropping mules
Loved Your game against MaxPax.
Only able to produce that unit till you killed an enemy one
Suggestion: you can only build pylons when you are supplied block
Harstem, can you make beating grandmaster with Mass Tempest. Please!
wherer is sc2day? :( Good Video tho
This is pretty much my normal playstyle, except I eventually also make archons.
Hey Harstem. i would like to see u early raven rushing! it is my favourite strategy. 111expand marine tanks ravens attack with 5 vikings turret harrass! gl hf 🙂
28:30 but he saw only 1 gas. dts with 1 gas? I don't think so.
Zealots & Phoenix only (prism & obs optional)
BGMWSS you are the protoss ladder hero, once your starport is done you can only build void rays
Well that is pretty much standard Bo at the moment :P
BGMWSS: single unit... infesters :)
oracle only
That 2nd game was pretty funny. All he had to do was use force fields and it would’ve been game. Voidrays should’ve also killed you.
Don’t know how you made that work.
Finally a build i think I can use.
This game ends as soon as enemy gets a carrier/brood lord
Can you try mass observers win the game?
Silvertongue: Try to beat your opponents by convincing them to forfeit the game, while using every trick in the book. You can try to bribe them, threaten them, ask them politely, or whatever. As long as they leave the game without you actually playing, you win.
Thank you harstem I see you 😸😸😸
Mass Phoenix
This was great! Can you go again with Adepts only, please!
That's an adept all-in, glaives timing attack. It's a known strategy.
@@mehdimarashi1736 I know, but mostly just on zerg. ...can he make it work against Toss/Terran, I wonder?
Tell the opponent your strategy and tell them what you think they are doing #mindgames
Why is Harstem playing Beating GrandMasters series on his main? shouldn't he make an alt so it wouldn't ruin his Road to Rank 1 series?
Win with only phoenixes tempests and cannons
yoo, uploaded 24 seconds ago, thanks for being a part of my morning
Make Swarm Hosts work.
Wait this isn't how you're supposed to play protoss?
Why wouldn't you just charge lot rush for this lol? Seems like an easy challenge
Still waiting for "League of Legends", starting from X minutes in, you must A move "minion waves" of 3 zealots + 3 stalkers/adepts. After a few more minutes, you add in a "cannon minion" (Archon or Immortal).
Alternatively, you A-move every increasing amounts of zealots across the map ever 30 seconds. Once you hit 9 zealots, you must split them into the mid, top, and bot minion waves.
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Only robobay-units please :=))))))
Protoss mech? XD
My man really stealing video ideas from GiantGrantGames, what next? Beating Grandmasters without losing a unit?
You love to see the crossovers.
Exactly what do you think that he stole? Zealot only strat? It was old even before sc2 came out. And sooo many streamers and other gamers has used this strat thousands of times.
Just like "dont lose any unit" strat.
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"we're in a couple of bases at the same time"
*attacks every base he has at the exact same time*
wrr
Tell the opponent your strategy and tell them what you think they are doing #mindgames
I would like to request a classic of yours: Pretending to be AFK - BGMWSS, especially if you are on a map with a gold base for your proxy base. The previous times you did it were a lot of fun, and I think being able to start it on a gold will help offset the loss of early eco that makes this one so challenging. You mentioned that you almost had the opportunity to do it in CMA recently, and you seemed excited to try it out. You definitely got my hopes up! :D
Zerglots! It's like watching the king of inefficiency, Zest!
Oh man this reminds me so much of how I played Broodwar. I used to go speedlot/templar every single game against every single matchup lol
Can you try mass warp gate spreading pylons like creep
He once did something like that. It was a "you can't go anywhere you don't have a pilon", and he lost all of the games.
Casters only:
Can only build units that use abilities that cost energy.
If that is too hard, expand that to units that have abilities with cooldowns. I realise with protoss that is pretty much every unit, but lets say you have to unlock blink to build stalkers. I also just realised that protoss wouldn't have any AA except high templar and canons (I will certainly allow static) with the former option.
Try to include as many energy based casters as possible though!
If you allow cooldowns, only archons, laser giraffes and carriers are banned. He can open with adepts and voidrays/oracle/phoenix, or immortals. Many of the standard openings remain unchanged. On the other hand, if you don't allow it, only oracles and sentries are available for the opening. That will be very challenging imho. The thing is, I always think of bgmwss series as doing some stupid strategy that gives you some edge, not just a handicap. I really enjoyed this last one, because going only zealot lets you save gas, get upgrades sooner, expand sooner, and confuse your opponent. I don't see an edge in oracle + sentry. You will die to 8 marines. Let's think and find some edge for it.
On the other hand, Harstem did a mass oracle the other week. That was essentially "only energy units".
@@mehdimarashi1736 yeah, you're right, and I did foresee problems with this idea. We could go with activated abilities only to include stalker and adept (but not include zealots, immortals or carriers) for example. This would limit the unit pool and tech choices and force a lot of micro. A fair amount of decent unit options are available there though so it won't be that much different from a slightly strange macro game. It would be quite gas heavy and difficult to manage, but most builds that come out of it would be viable.
Suggestion for Beating with grandmasters: supply block game, go for their supply buildings to always stop them from having an army
That would be cool
You could snipe ccs too
I think he's done this one before
@@peterhardie4151 i know right? like lets gooooooo hampster
@@Kaiasky really? never seen, you got a link?
Pour one out for the homies: Take a shot every time a biological unit is killed. Hard-mode - play zerg.
nvm just imagining a big fight where harstem loses 50 supply of lings... don't want him to die.
Conga Line of Death™️: When moving in for an attack, your units must form an orderly line, each following the one in front. This should simplify the micro, as you only need to control the single unit at the front of the queue. Bonus points for surrounding enemies.
Attack only with units that can blink (stalker dt), and only when their blink is researched. Defend with whatever is needed.
Try this for a challenge. Whenever you make a unit, you have to make 5 of them i a row. So if you want a sentry, you have to make 5 of them. So units built would be something like: 5 zealots --> 5 stalker --> 5 sentry --> 5 stalker --> 5 observer --> 5 stalker --> 5 carriers ---> 5 voids ---> 5 carriers
BGMWSS Suggestion!
Play a macro game while achieving as many of these silly map objectives as possible.
-Fog lights: reveal all areas of the map before scouting your opponents main or natural. -25 points
-Tree Hugger: Kill all mechanical critters on map before 8 minute mark. -25 points
-The Watchmen: Hold all watchtowers on the map for a total of 12 minutes of in game time. Every time you are chased away from the tower you must pause the timer. -50 points
Rock N Roll- Destroy all destructible rocks on map before reaching 100 supply. -50 points
I Love Miners- Mine a single mineral patch only while leaving the rest of the minerals unmined. (Once this status is acheived, you can then begin to mine the rest of those minerals) -75 points
Gas Guzzler- mine out an entire extractor from at least one base on your opponents side of the map. -100 points.
Feel free to do this bingo style, as this would be fairly impossible to get all of these in a game. Points are just suggested, curious to see what your high score will be!
Do a 1-1-1 Over and over again in 1 game. That means youre only allowed to build Gateway, Robotics, stargate in that order, repeating until you end the game :)
Would you consider doing "reruns"? I really liked the Prism Cannon Rush challenge
I remember there was already a challange like this with well upgraded 3-3-3 chargelots. But it was very fun and i like to see it again (-:
So here is a build order
1 base, 4 gates , cybernetics core , twilight council with zeolots speed
..
Around 9 zeolots at 3:30
With speed ..
Qlmost kill anyone